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imranshah
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Dec 19 2006, 02:41 PM) *

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ap ki post achi thi...but kuch kam tahkkeek pe thi...app ki bat sach hai k hum mein kuch ulmaaa uss islam say door hain jiss ki taleeem humein de gayee thi..but bhai ager app islam ki sahi rooh ko perhein to islam her pehloo-e-zindagi mein khud ko dhalnay ki bat kerta hai..

mein app kii iss dilsoz post say itfaak kerta hoon..but iss k sath sath islam ki implementation ki bat bhi kerta hoon ..bc humara din sirf siparon, masjidon tek mehdood nahi..ya kisi makhsoos fikay ya ulmaaa ka ghulam nahi..yeh lafani hakeekat ka manbaa aor her cheez ka hel lya hoyaa hai..

app ki bat thik hai...k sirf ilam ilam say kuch nahi hota jab tak amal na ho..per merey bhai kia apni bunyaad khookhli ker k hum nayee imarat ka khewab dekhein ya hum asl bunyaad hi say imarat ko mazbooot kerney ka sochain aor amal bhi kerein..??....kyaa islam humari zindagi k her pehloo her dor mein humarey lyaa kafi nahi..kia hum ko kisi seculariism..kamalism, ya socialism ki zaroorat hai..ager koi kehata hai k hai to phir islam ki zaroorat nahi hai..kion k islam k apnay lafaani qanoon hain..ab yeh humari na ahli aor bedqismati hai k hum iss say fayda na utha sekey...
kali bherein hain...haan buhat hain..magar unn kali bharon k lyaa hum islam ko bura nahi keh sektey...haan unn kali bheron ko churi zarorrr phero....
khan_amer
QUOTE(imranshah @ Dec 26 2006, 04:04 PM) *

ap ki post achi thi...but kuch kam tahkkeek pe thi...app ki bat sach hai k hum mein kuch ulmaaa uss islam say door hain jiss ki taleeem humein de gayee thi..but bhai ager app islam ki sahi rooh ko perhein to islam her pehloo-e-zindagi mein khud ko dhalnay ki bat kerta hai..

mein app kii iss dilsoz post say itfaak kerta hoon..but iss k sath sath islam ki implementation ki bat bhi kerta hoon ..bc humara din sirf siparon, masjidon tek mehdood nahi..ya kisi makhsoos fikay ya ulmaaa ka ghulam nahi..yeh lafani hakeekat ka manbaa aor her cheez ka hel lya hoyaa hai..

app ki bat thik hai...k sirf ilam ilam say kuch nahi hota jab tak amal na ho..per merey bhai kia apni bunyaad khookhli ker k hum nayee imarat ka khewab dekhein ya hum asl bunyaad hi say imarat ko mazbooot kerney ka sochain aor amal bhi kerein..??....kyaa islam humari zindagi k her pehloo her dor mein humarey lyaa kafi nahi..kia hum ko kisi seculariism..kamalism, ya socialism ki zaroorat hai..ager koi kehata hai k hai to phir islam ki zaroorat nahi hai..kion k islam k apnay lafaani qanoon hain..ab yeh humari na ahli aor bedqismati hai k hum iss say fayda na utha sekey...
kali bherein hain...haan buhat hain..magar unn kali bharon k lyaa hum islam ko bura nahi keh sektey...haan unn kali bheron ko churi zarorrr phero....



Islam ko Bura kon raha hay bhai...

maiN tu "MuslmannooN" ko bura keh raha hooN...

52 Mumalik aur 1 arb say zayda naam'nihad muslmaan iss duniya maiN bastay haiN... kon uss islam ko pochta hay jis key app aur ham baat ker rahay haiN..

hamaray ulema hazrat ko kufr kay fatw'ooN aur taqleed say fursat nahi hay.. woh mazhab jis key kitab maiN ja baja irshad-e-Rabani hay kay iss maiN khuli nishaniyaaN haiN tehqeeq kernay walooN kay liya ya samjhnay walooN kay liya.. ussi mazhab kay ulema taqleed key kaRiyaaN pehnay khaRay haiN... app na janay kis taray duniya'v ilm ko Islam aur quran say alag qaaraar day rahay haiN.. hamaray tamam sciencedaaN islami aloom maiN maharat hasil kernay kay baad hi woh daryaftaiN ker paye thay jin per aaj bhi ham fakhr kertay haiN.. yeh alug baat hay un key aksariyat ko uss waqt kay "ulema" nay mulhad aur munkir qaraar diya

woh mazhab jis maiN talib.ilm ko mujahid ka darja hasil hay, ussi mazhab kay ulema aur pero'kar ilm.o.hunr maiN sab say peechay haiN...

js mazhab maiN Halal.o.haram ko sakhti say implement kiya gaya hay, ussi mazhab kay mannay walay duniya maiN corruption maiN sab say aagay haiN...

bura mat maniya ga hamaray aur app kay muslmaan honay key wajaah sirf yehi hay kay ham nay eak aisay gharanay ankh kholi perwarish payee jin ka mazhab un kay ajdaad say Islam rakha tha.. warna tu muslmaan kehlana buhat asaan hay per shayad in key tadad duniya key kul abadi key 1 ya 2 % ho
imranshah

maiN tu "MuslmannooN" ko bura keh raha hooN...

52 Mumalik aur 1 arb say zayda naam'nihad muslmaan iss duniya maiN bastay haiN... kon uss islam ko pochta hay jis key app aur ham baat ker rahay haiN..

hamaray ulema hazrat ko kufr kay fatw'ooN aur taqleed say fursat nahi hay.. woh mazhab jis key kitab maiN ja baja irshad-e-Rabani hay kay iss maiN khuli nishaniyaaN haiN tehqeeq kernay walooN kay liya ya samjhnay walooN kay liya.. ussi mazhab kay ulema taqleed key kaRiyaaN pehnay khaRay haiN... app na janay kis taray duniya'v ilm ko Islam aur quran say alag qaaraar day rahay haiN.. hamaray tamam sciencedaaN islami aloom maiN maharat hasil kernay kay baad hi woh daryaftaiN ker paye thay jin per aaj bhi ham fakhr kertay haiN.. yeh alug baat hay un key aksariyat ko uss waqt kay "ulema" nay mulhad aur munkir qaraar diya

woh mazhab jis maiN talib.ilm ko mujahid ka darja hasil hay, ussi mazhab kay ulema aur pero'kar ilm.o.hunr maiN sab say peechay haiN...

js mazhab maiN Halal.o.haram ko sakhti say implement kiya gaya hay, ussi mazhab kay mannay walay duniya maiN corruption maiN sab say aagay haiN...

bura mat maniya ga hamaray aur app kay muslmaan honay key wajaah sirf yehi hay kay ham nay eak aisay gharanay ankh kholi perwarish payee jin ka mazhab un kay ajdaad say Islam rakha tha.. warna tu muslmaan kehlana buhat asaan hay per shayad in key tadad duniya key kul abadi key 1 ya 2 % ho
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chalien app ki bat maan lee...ab iss ka hel kia hai..hath pe hath dherey mutazir ferda rehein ya kuch amal kerein...Heq pe chelna aor sath dena asaan nahi..but ager abedi izat chahyaa to sirf yehi rasta hai nijat ka..

bakee abaadi say kuch nahi hota...munkir her dor mein zyada aor salheeen kam rehey hain...ab yeh hum pe hai k kiss group mein apna naam shamil kertey hain..

Allah nay apna kaam kerwana hi hota hai...aor koi ussay nahi rok sekta ..ager arab kamzor hoyaa...Baghdaad ki saltinant khatem hoee to mangol hi islam ki takat ka sabab beney aor saltinat Usmania uthee...

khair ab app betyaaein hum matam kerein ya galti sahi kerein..aor kasay..???
khan_amer
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chalien app ki bat maan lee...ab iss ka hel kia hai..hath pe hath dherey mutazir ferda rehein ya kuch amal kerein...Heq pe chelna aor sath dena asaan nahi..but ager abedi izat chahyaa to sirf yehi rasta hai nijat ka..

bakee abaadi say kuch nahi hota...munkir her dor mein zyada aor salheeen kam rehey hain...ab yeh hum pe hai k kiss group mein apna naam shamil kertey hain..

Allah nay apna kaam kerwana hi hota hai...aor koi ussay nahi rok sekta ..ager arab kamzor hoyaa...Baghdaad ki saltinant khatem hoee to mangol hi islam ki takat ka sabab beney aor saltinat Usmania uthee...

khair ab app betyaaein hum matam kerein ya galti sahi kerein..aor kasay..???


yeh howi na baat!

bhai jan matam kernay walooN ka tu maiN buhat baRa mukhalif hooN aur agr app nay kabhi meri posts paRi hooN tu maiN "muntazir-e-farda" ka bhi buhat baRa mukhalif hooN...

ab baat aati hay kay ham karaiN kiya

bhai jan App (SAAW) key Makki zindagee say zyada tough time yeh hargiz nahi hay...

hamay App (SAAW) key startegy hi apna'ni hay... iss waqt ham kuffar kay muqabalay maiN buhat kamzoor haiN.. infact agr woh chahaiN tu ham per bijli kay kisi eak purzay ka ban laga daiN aur ham log andherooN maiN Dob jayaiN...

iss waqt hamay ussi nasab key tarf loTna hay jis say Al-baironi aur Bu Ali Sina paida hooN... ham iss waqt maghloob haiN 300 sala ghulami nay azadi aur khudari ka lafz bima ehsaas hamari dictionary say kharij ker diya hay...

hamay iss waqt sirf aalaa taleem key zaroorat hay... iss maiN app aur ham contribute ker saktay haiN...

awal tu yeh hona chahiyee kay ju ista'aat rakhtay haiN woh jadeed aloom ko West say Pakistan maiN transfer karaiN. jisay technical terms maiN Knowledge transfer kehtay haiN.

dom ju ista'at rakhtay haiN woh apnay khandan, paas paRoss aur aqarib maiN un bachooN key kafalaat ka zima uThayaiN ju ba'wajooh taleem hasil nahi ker saktay.

soom, atleast soceity maiN awarness paida kernay key koshish karaiN.. logooN maiN iss key ahmiyat bayaan karaiN aur iss kay fuqdaan kay nuqsaanaaat bayan karaiN... aur un awamil ka bhi zikr karaiN jinhooN nay hamay iss muqaam per la'khaRa kiya hay..


agr her sahib ista'at above per amal karay ( ju kay unrealistic bhi nahi hay) tu anay walay kuch salooN kay baad hamaray yahaaN taleemi inqaylaab aa jaye ga aur yeh hamaray sha'oor key tarbiyat ( as a nation) kernay maiN madad'gaar hoga...


(Above article maiN un maiN say sirf eak ka zikr hay)
shafqat ali
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Dec 19 2006, 02:41 PM) *

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