Full Version: Ur Idea About Co-education
R u in favour of co education....plz give reasons also
NO
1) hum musalmaan haiN aur islam makhloot taleem hi naheeN, balkay har qism k makhloot ijtemaa aat ki ijazat naheeN deta.
2) primary satah ki makhloot taleem maiN to koi masla naheeN lekin saanvi, aalaa saanvi aur university satah pay to co-education ko islam allow nahee karta. aur iskay smaji boraiyyaN bhi bahoot zeyadah haiN... aur fawaa'id bahoot kam.
3) albatta agar kaheeN taleem to bahoot zaroori ho aur boys /girls k liyeh alag alag taaleemi adaray afford nah kiyeh jasatay houN to aisee naa.guzeer soortouN maiN aarzi bunyadouN par makhloot tallem dee jasakti hai bashartekay k:
a) class maiN males /females ki separate sitting arangements houN.
b) jab students ki tadaad aik section say zayad hojaye to males /females ki alag alag section bana di jaye.
c) wasaail miltay hi adaray alag alag kar diye jayaiN...
agar hum nay co-education ko west ki tarah open farogh detay rahay to woh din doooooooor naheeN jab hamaray haaN bhi bachi khochi akhlaaqiyaat ka janazaah nikal jayega aur woh sab honay lagega jiss say aaj west pareeshan horaha hai.
1) hum musalmaan haiN aur islam makhloot taleem hi naheeN, balkay har qism k makhloot ijtemaa aat ki ijazat naheeN deta.
2) primary satah ki makhloot taleem maiN to koi masla naheeN lekin saanvi, aalaa saanvi aur university satah pay to co-education ko islam allow nahee karta. aur iskay smaji boraiyyaN bhi bahoot zeyadah haiN... aur fawaa'id bahoot kam.
3) albatta agar kaheeN taleem to bahoot zaroori ho aur boys /girls k liyeh alag alag taaleemi adaray afford nah kiyeh jasatay houN to aisee naa.guzeer soortouN maiN aarzi bunyadouN par makhloot tallem dee jasakti hai bashartekay k:
a) class maiN males /females ki separate sitting arangements houN.
b) jab students ki tadaad aik section say zayad hojaye to males /females ki alag alag section bana di jaye.
c) wasaail miltay hi adaray alag alag kar diye jayaiN...
agar hum nay co-education ko west ki tarah open farogh detay rahay to woh din doooooooor naheeN jab hamaray haaN bhi bachi khochi akhlaaqiyaat ka janazaah nikal jayega aur woh sab honay lagega jiss say aaj west pareeshan horaha hai.
NO
No 
Wajoohat AbuAdnan ne tafseeli bayan kardi hain .. and i agree with them
Wajoohat AbuAdnan ne tafseeli bayan kardi hain .. and i agree with them
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Dec 28 2006, 04:07 PM) 
NO
1) hum musalmaan haiN aur islam makhloot taleem hi naheeN, balkay har qism k makhloot ijtemaa aat ki ijazat naheeN deta.
2) primary satah ki makhloot taleem maiN to koi masla naheeN lekin saanvi, aalaa saanvi aur university satah pay to co-education ko islam allow nahee karta. aur iskay smaji boraiyyaN bhi bahoot zeyadah haiN... aur fawaa'id bahoot kam.
3) albatta agar kaheeN taleem to bahoot zaroori ho aur boys /girls k liyeh alag alag taaleemi adaray afford nah kiyeh jasatay houN to aisee naa.guzeer soortouN maiN aarzi bunyadouN par makhloot tallem dee jasakti hai bashartekay k:
a) class maiN males /females ki separate sitting arangements houN.
b) jab students ki tadaad aik section say zayad hojaye to males /females ki alag alag section bana di jaye.
c) wasaail miltay hi adaray alag alag kar diye jayaiN...
agar hum nay co-education ko west ki tarah open farogh detay rahay to woh din doooooooor naheeN jab hamaray haaN bhi bachi khochi akhlaaqiyaat ka janazaah nikal jayega aur woh sab honay lagega jiss say aaj west pareeshan horaha hai.
"Makhloot Ijtemaa" can be defined as a gathering in which men and women meet together. By this definition, hospitals, libraries etc all will be included in makhloot ijtimaas. Now, if you are telling me there should be enough of these facilities to accomodate the needs of both sexes in a poor country like Pakistan, you are living in a dream world. Hulchul get togethers are also included in this definition so please stop having them first.
As for teaching with a seperation in between, this is a totally bogus idea. How do you think people come to school? They just appear on their seats in the morning and study continuously in class and than finally just disappear at the end of the day!
offcourse not! When boys and girls will come in class, they will look at each others when taking seats. They may also need to exchange notes some times{may be some girl is exceptionally strong in maths so everyone wants her notes.} Now you also need to specify what will be the gender of the teacher. If she is a female than do you approve of her talking to boys freely? If he is a male, than what? Even if boys and girls are taught in different classrooms, there will be some meetings inevitably! There will be common transport buses, canteens, passages to walk etc. Practically its impossible to prevent girls and boys meeting if they are studying in same school. If desperate measures are taken{such as allowing girls to evacuate the building before boys etc.}, opposite sex will become a secret thing for people and they will try even more to come in contact with each other. This will do even more harm than good. As is usual with people who give such ideas, you too never thought about it. It is totally useless to put a seperation in between or even have seperate class rooms. The only true way to seperate the education of two sexes is to have seperate schools for them. Now can we afford to build seperate schools?In villages and in the country as a whole, there is a serious lack of schools. No matter what you say, there just aren't enough for everyone. Now if you promote seperate education for both sexes, in places where there is lack of schools, girls will not be able to study. People will use the excuse that men are bread winners of their family and thus will just stop sending girls to these schools.
Coming to cities now which have experienced a mushroom growth in schools. My sister study in IBE, a commerce college. It is one of the best colleges for commerce in Karachi. In her class, there are a total of 5 female students. Are you suggesting a seperate class be made for these five students? May be IBE can afford it but not every school can. Girls and boys have different inclinations{I am not suggesting its because of different abilites, why and how is a different topic and we will discuss that later some day inshallah}; For example, boys often choose engineering as there careers, girls in Pakistan often do not like maths. Because of this, inevitably in engineering universities there are very few girls. Now, in Karachi, quite frankly we only have 2 reputable engineering universities{reputable in Pakistan, worldwide they are in no rankings at all!}. Do you think we can afford the creation of seperate universities for girls?
As soon as seperate education for both sexes start, people will soon alter the syllabus for different schools and eventually girls and boys will not be given same education. Concentration on girls school might go down. Please bear in mind that the first lesson a person learns in schools of public policies, before one offers a solution, one should evaluate and consider all the situational factors. Pakistan is a backward country. Women are still considered a commodity in many areas; Even many educated people think women are in some way inferior to men. If there are seperate schools for girls and this mentality comes into play, believe me, there is a
serious danger that instead of imparting education, girl only schools will transform into house wife producing centres. In cities, this danger may not exist, but in villages it is a definite possibility.
There is a serious need to create more doctors, engineers and proffesionals in Pakistan. We should not limit ourselves and create as many as we can with the resources we have. Do not further complicate the situation by suggesting ideas you yourself haven't thought about. It is not a laughing matter. Saddam is being hanged, Iran is being attacked, Afghanistan is being crushed!!!! We donot have much time left. Just strengthen yourself and forget about this male female stuff for the time being. Remember a girl living in a prostitue centre will uphold her chasity if she want and a girl living within seven pardaas will do what no decent girl can dream of. In the same way, if a man want he will find enough girls for himself no matter he is studying in a coeducation school or not so just chill!
.QUOTE(sohni_kudi @ Dec 29 2006, 03:39 AM)
"Makhloot Ijtemaa" can be defined as a gathering in which men and women meet together. By this definition, hospitals, libraries etc all will be included in makhloot ijtimaas. Now, if you are telling me there should be enough of these facilities to accomodate the needs of both sexes in a poor country like Pakistan, you are living in a dream world. Hulchul get togethers are also included in this definition so please stop having them first.
As for teaching with a seperation in between, this is a totally bogus idea. How do you think people come to school? They just appear on their seats in the morning and study continuously in class and than finally just disappear at the end of the day!
offcourse not! When boys and girls will come in class, they will look at each others when taking seats. They may also need to exchange notes some times{may be some girl is exceptionally strong in maths so everyone wants her notes.} Now you also need to specify what will be the gender of the teacher. If she is a female than do you approve of her talking to boys freely? If he is a male, than what? Even if boys and girls are taught in different classrooms, there will be some meetings inevitably! There will be common transport buses, canteens, passages to walk etc. Practically its impossible to prevent girls and boys meeting if they are studying in same school. If desperate measures are taken{such as allowing girls to evacuate the building before boys etc.}, opposite sex will become a secret thing for people and they will try even more to come in contact with each other. This will do even more harm than good. As is usual with people who give such ideas, you too never thought about it. It is totally useless to put a seperation in between or even have seperate class rooms. The only true way to seperate the education of two sexes is to have seperate schools for them. Now can we afford to build seperate schools?In villages and in the country as a whole, there is a serious lack of schools. No matter what you say, there just aren't enough for everyone. Now if you promote seperate education for both sexes, in places where there is lack of schools, girls will not be able to study. People will use the excuse that men are bread winners of their family and thus will just stop sending girls to these schools.
Coming to cities now which have experienced a mushroom growth in schools. My sister study in IBE, a commerce college. It is one of the best colleges for commerce in Karachi. In her class, there are a total of 5 female students. Are you suggesting a seperate class be made for these five students? May be IBE can afford it but not every school can. Girls and boys have different inclinations{I am not suggesting its because of different abilites, why and how is a different topic and we will discuss that later some day inshallah}; For example, boys often choose engineering as there careers, girls in Pakistan often do not like maths. Because of this, inevitably in engineering universities there are very few girls. Now, in Karachi, quite frankly we only have 2 reputable engineering universities{reputable in Pakistan, worldwide they are in no rankings at all!}. Do you think we can afford the creation of seperate universities for girls?
As soon as seperate education for both sexes start, people will soon alter the syllabus for different schools and eventually girls and boys will not be given same education. Concentration on girls school might go down. Please bear in mind that the first lesson a person learns in schools of public policies, before one offers a solution, one should evaluate and consider all the situational factors. Pakistan is a backward country. Women are still considered a commodity in many areas; Even many educated people think women are in some way inferior to men. If there are seperate schools for girls and this mentality comes into play, believe me, there is a
serious danger that instead of imparting education, girl only schools will transform into house wife producing centres. In cities, this danger may not exist, but in villages it is a definite possibility.
There is a serious need to create more doctors, engineers and proffesionals in Pakistan. We should not limit ourselves and create as many as we can with the resources we have. Do not further complicate the situation by suggesting ideas you yourself haven't thought about. It is not a laughing matter. Saddam is being hanged, Iran is being attacked, Afghanistan is being crushed!!!! We donot have much time left. Just strengthen yourself and forget about this male female stuff for the time being. Remember a girl living in a prostitue centre will uphold her chasity if she want and a girl living within seven pardaas will do what no decent girl can dream of. In the same way, if a man want he will find enough girls for himself no matter he is studying in a coeducation school or not so just chill!
.aap ki tafseeli aaraa ka shukarya. aap ko HAQQ hai k apni roy ka azaadaanaa izhaar karaiN. lekin aap k bhashan nah to to the point haiN aur nah hi inkay peechay aqli dalaa'il haiN.
hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN makhloot ijtemaa aur taleemi adarouN k makhloo ijtema maiN agar aap ko koi 'faraq' nazar nahee aataa to yeh aap ki baseerat ka qasoor hai.
jahaaN tak wasaail ki kami ka talluq hai to iska jawaab already meray reply main maujood hai k agar kissi area main aik hi school/college / university hai to oss adaaray par boys /girls dounouN ka haqq hai.... lekin agar 2 haiN to aik boys aur aik girls ka hosakta hai ... balkay aik hi adaraah honay ki soorat maiN bhi sections alag alag hosaktay haiN.
pakistan jaisay mo'aashray main bahoot see aisee taalebaat haiN jo islami taleemaat par sakhti say amal karnay k sabab co-education maiN taleem hasil naheeN karna chaahti /nahee karsakti..... jabkay co-education k haami taalebaat n talabaa ko separate adarouN maiN paRhnay main koi pareeshani nahee....
aur sab say aham yeh k hum agar muslim haiN to islam parday / hijaab aur makhloot gathering ... bilkhasoos permanent gathering ko allow nahee karta... agar hum muslim hotay howay islami taaleem ki parwaah nahee kartay to phir jo marzi kartay phiraiN....
[quote name='Abu Adnan' date='Dec 29 2006, 09:16 AM' post='2215117']
aap ki tafseeli aaraa ka shukarya. aap ko HAQQ hai k apni roy ka azaadaanaa izhaar karaiN. lekin aap k bhashan nah to to the point haiN aur nah hi inkay peechay aqli dalaa'il haiN.
hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN makhloot ijtemaa aur taleemi adarouN k makhloo ijtema maiN agar aap ko koi 'faraq' nazar nahee aataa to yeh aap ki baseerat ka qasoor hai.
jahaaN tak wasaail ki kami ka talluq hai to iska jawaab already meray reply main maujood hai k agar kissi area main aik hi school/college / university hai to oss adaaray par boys /girls dounouN ka haqq hai.... lekin agar 2 haiN to aik boys aur aik girls ka hosakta hai ... balkay aik hi adaraah honay ki soorat maiN bhi sections alag alag hosaktay haiN.
pakistan jaisay mo'aashray main bahoot see aisee taalebaat haiN jo islami taleemaat par sakhti say amal karnay k sabab co-education maiN taleem hasil naheeN karna chaahti /nahee karsakti..... jabkay co-education k haami taalebaat n talabaa ko separate adarouN maiN paRhnay main koi pareeshani nahee....
aur sab say aham yeh k hum agar muslim haiN to islam parday / hijaab aur makhloot gathering ... bilkhasoos permanent gathering ko allow nahee karta... agar hum muslim hotay howay islami taaleem ki parwaah nahee kartay to phir jo marzi kartay phiraiN....
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[quote]ap ki tafseeli aaraa ka shukarya. aap ko HAQQ hai k apni roy ka azaadaanaa izhaar karaiN. lekin aap k bhashan nah to to the point haiN aur nah hi inkay peechay aqli dalaa'il haiN[/quote]
yeh to apne apne point of view ki baat hai k aap ko mera BHASHAN to the point nahin laga...actually aap ne mere puray BHASHAN ko parhne ki zehmat hi nahin ki....actually yeh hum Muslims ki aadat hai k apne khilaf e marzi hote hue koi baat nahin dekh aur sun sakte aur humari issi aadat k jo consequences hum bhugat rahe hain woh ek alag kahani hai ....hum ne apne soch samjh k gates bilkul close kardiye hainilaf aur agar koii humare khmarzi baat kare to apni marzi ka islam bana k uss pe kufr k fatway laga ddetay hain....aur BHASHAN keh k uss ki tahzeek karte hain
aap na kaha [q]hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN makhloot ijtemaa aur taleemi adarouN k makhloo ijtema maiN agar aap ko koi 'faraq' nazar nahee aataa to yeh aap ki baseerat ka qasoor hai.[/q] aur aap ne yeh bhi kaha k
[quote]primary satah ki makhloot taleem maiN to koi masla naheeN lekin saanvi, aalaa saanvi aur university satah pay to co-education ko islam allow nahee karta.[/quote]to mera jahan tak khial hai k hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN mostly primary se ziada BARE BACHE hote hain to phir educational institutes main co education aur hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc k makhloot ijtemat main kia difference hai?kia airport libraries ya hospitals main alag makhlooq hoti hai waqai meri BASEERAT yeh samjhne se qasir hai jo aap ki basseerat samjh rahi hai shayad mujhe chashme ki zaroorat hai 
aap ne kaha [quote]jahaaN tak wasaail ki kami ka talluq hai to iska jawaab already meray reply main maujood hai k agar kissi area main aik hi school/college / university hai to oss adaaray par boys /girls dounouN ka haqq hai.... lekin agar 2 haiN to aik boys aur aik girls ka hosakta hai ... balkay aik hi adaraah honay ki soorat maiN bhi sections alag alag hosaktay haiN.[/quote] to agar aap mera pura reply parhne ki zehmat karte to main ne bhi kaha tha k jaise engeneering univ hain ya commerce education k idaray hain jahan girls lack of interest ki wajah se bauaht kam jati hain aur un institutes main larkion ka ratio larkon se bauaht kam hota hai to aise main kia kiya jaye?agar 2 buildings hain to ek building main larke aur ek building larkion ko to larkon ko bauaht problem ho jaye gi q k ek building larkon k liye bauhat choti pare gi ..like ek building k toilets,rooms,playgrounds etc etc... aur chalen agar hum ne phir bhi aisa kar hi dia yani girls boys ki buildings alag alag kar bhi den to girls n boys ek hi public transport k thru un idaron tak pohnchen gay like buses,rikshaws etc q k har koi to apni apni private convence afford nahin karsakta na aur agar chalo public transport bhi larke aur larkion ki alag alag kardi to larke aur larkian ek hi stop pe khare ho k apne apne transport ka w8 karen gay phir kia hoga?ya to ek talbanized system bana dia jaye k aurten ghar se bahar hi na niklen aur agar bahar niklen to un ki pitai hogi...to iss system k kia faiday hain?Allah tala aise logon ka anjam bauaht bura karta hai jo kamzoor makhlooq pe zulm karte hain ....duniya main hi woh dekh letay hain jaisa k TALIBAN k saath hua aaj un ka hashar dogs se bhi bura hai pehle taliban ko america ne haddian den phir unhe khila khila k mota kia aur un pe khoob charbi charh gayi aur uss charbi se usa ne russia ko marwaya phir jab russia ko mar dia to woh charbi thori kam hogayi lekin khatam nahin hui phir america ne un ki charbi khatam karne k doran sood k tor pe un ka gosht bhi lelia ab woh bagher gosht k dhanchon ki tarah bilbilatay phir rahe hain aur chochon ki tarah billon main sar rahe hain anywayz yeh ek alag kahani hai lets stick to the topic 
[quote]pakistan jaisay mo'aashray main bahoot see aisee taalebaat haiN jo islami taleemaat par sakhti say amal karnay k sabab co-education maiN taleem hasil naheeN karna chaahti /nahee karsakti..... jabkay co-education k haami taalebaat n talabaa ko separate adarouN maiN paRhnay main koi pareeshani nahee...[/quote]
agar aap ne pakistan jaise mosharay ki baat ki hai to pakistan ki society main (remember im talking about pakistan not all muslim countries) main agar aap icecream parlours,quaid e azam k mazar aur dosre dating areas pe chale jayen to aap ko taqreeban jo ziada tar nazar aayen gi woh IZZAT DAR SHAREEF BURQA POSH NAQAB POSH LARKIAN.....humare country main 99% girls (im not talking about 1% still there r some girls left) iss liye burqe karti hain takay woh apni harkaten duniya walon se chupa saken (main dobara keh rahi hoon im talking about 99% not all) aur iss baat ka saboot dating areas hain...even meri univ main taqreeban sab larkian gharon se to burqe kar k aati hain aur jaise hi univ k gate pe pohnchen burqa kahin woh khud kahin aur phir woh hoti haina ur univ main alrkon k saath ghoomti phirti hain jab k meri class ki woh larkian jo burqe nahin karten woh tawajuh se parhti hain apni parhai ko time deti hain.. 
....anyhow meri class main ek larki aisi hai jo waqai sahi parda karti hai to woh larki
jaise burqe main medical ki taleem hasil karrahi hai (im a medical student) na waise hi dosri larkian bhi agar chahen to burqa posh ho k taleem hasil karsakti hain agar unhe ziada hi problem hai to....yeh sab lame excuses hain k hum kaise parhen etc etc
[quote]aur sab say aham yeh k hum agar muslim haiN to islam parday / hijaab aur makhloot gathering ... bilkhasoos permanent gathering ko allow nahee karta... agar hum muslim hotay howay islami taaleem ki parwaah nahee kartay to phir jo marzi kartay phiraiN....[/quote] to janab taleemi idaron main hum koi gathering karne nahin jate balkay parhne jatay hain ilm hasil karne jate hain aur jo gathering karne wale girls n boys hain na woh to 100 pardon main bhi gathering kar letay hain as i have mentioned above aur islam sirf parde hijab ka hukum nahin deta balkay islam mardon ko bi parday ka hukum deta hai k ek baar dekha to dosri nazar jhuka lo lekin yahn kia hal hai sab ko pata hai aur aap ne gatherings ki baat ki to yeh jo HULCHUL hai is pe q aate hain aap?yahan bhi to girls hoti hain?to kia larkion se forum pe baat karna jaiz hai?yeh kon si hadith main aaya hai? .....
aur ek last baat agar aap iss discussion ko continue karna chahte hain to pehle mera sara BHASHAN parhen aur mere har paragraph ko quote karen jaise main ne kia hai....warna mujhse illogical baat mat karen ek typical jhootay muslim ki tarah...aur agar aap quote nahin karte to main smajh jaon gi k aap k pass koi javab nahin hai koi daleel nahin hai..mujhe koi prob nahin hogi lekin plz aap k previous reply ki tarah allal tap replies mat den
thanx
aap ki tafseeli aaraa ka shukarya. aap ko HAQQ hai k apni roy ka azaadaanaa izhaar karaiN. lekin aap k bhashan nah to to the point haiN aur nah hi inkay peechay aqli dalaa'il haiN.
hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN makhloot ijtemaa aur taleemi adarouN k makhloo ijtema maiN agar aap ko koi 'faraq' nazar nahee aataa to yeh aap ki baseerat ka qasoor hai.
jahaaN tak wasaail ki kami ka talluq hai to iska jawaab already meray reply main maujood hai k agar kissi area main aik hi school/college / university hai to oss adaaray par boys /girls dounouN ka haqq hai.... lekin agar 2 haiN to aik boys aur aik girls ka hosakta hai ... balkay aik hi adaraah honay ki soorat maiN bhi sections alag alag hosaktay haiN.
pakistan jaisay mo'aashray main bahoot see aisee taalebaat haiN jo islami taleemaat par sakhti say amal karnay k sabab co-education maiN taleem hasil naheeN karna chaahti /nahee karsakti..... jabkay co-education k haami taalebaat n talabaa ko separate adarouN maiN paRhnay main koi pareeshani nahee....
aur sab say aham yeh k hum agar muslim haiN to islam parday / hijaab aur makhloot gathering ... bilkhasoos permanent gathering ko allow nahee karta... agar hum muslim hotay howay islami taaleem ki parwaah nahee kartay to phir jo marzi kartay phiraiN....
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[quote]ap ki tafseeli aaraa ka shukarya. aap ko HAQQ hai k apni roy ka azaadaanaa izhaar karaiN. lekin aap k bhashan nah to to the point haiN aur nah hi inkay peechay aqli dalaa'il haiN[/quote]
yeh to apne apne point of view ki baat hai k aap ko mera BHASHAN to the point nahin laga...actually aap ne mere puray BHASHAN ko parhne ki zehmat hi nahin ki....actually yeh hum Muslims ki aadat hai k apne khilaf e marzi hote hue koi baat nahin dekh aur sun sakte aur humari issi aadat k jo consequences hum bhugat rahe hain woh ek alag kahani hai ....hum ne apne soch samjh k gates bilkul close kardiye hainilaf aur agar koii humare khmarzi baat kare to apni marzi ka islam bana k uss pe kufr k fatway laga ddetay hain....aur BHASHAN keh k uss ki tahzeek karte hain
aap na kaha [q]hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN makhloot ijtemaa aur taleemi adarouN k makhloo ijtema maiN agar aap ko koi 'faraq' nazar nahee aataa to yeh aap ki baseerat ka qasoor hai.[/q] aur aap ne yeh bhi kaha k
[quote]primary satah ki makhloot taleem maiN to koi masla naheeN lekin saanvi, aalaa saanvi aur university satah pay to co-education ko islam allow nahee karta.[/quote]to mera jahan tak khial hai k hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN mostly primary se ziada BARE BACHE hote hain
to phir educational institutes main co education aur hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc k makhloot ijtemat main kia difference hai?kia airport libraries ya hospitals main alag makhlooq hoti hai waqai meri BASEERAT yeh samjhne se qasir hai jo aap ki basseerat samjh rahi hai shayad mujhe chashme ki zaroorat hai aap ne kaha [quote]jahaaN tak wasaail ki kami ka talluq hai to iska jawaab already meray reply main maujood hai k agar kissi area main aik hi school/college / university hai to oss adaaray par boys /girls dounouN ka haqq hai.... lekin agar 2 haiN to aik boys aur aik girls ka hosakta hai ... balkay aik hi adaraah honay ki soorat maiN bhi sections alag alag hosaktay haiN.[/quote] to agar aap mera pura reply parhne ki zehmat karte to main ne bhi kaha tha k jaise engeneering univ hain ya commerce education k idaray hain jahan girls lack of interest ki wajah se bauaht kam jati hain aur un institutes main larkion ka ratio larkon se bauaht kam hota hai to aise main kia kiya jaye?agar 2 buildings hain to ek building main larke aur ek building larkion ko to larkon ko bauaht problem ho jaye gi q k ek building larkon k liye bauhat choti pare gi
..like ek building k toilets,rooms,playgrounds etc etc... aur chalen agar hum ne phir bhi aisa kar hi dia yani girls boys ki buildings alag alag kar bhi den to girls n boys ek hi public transport k thru un idaron tak pohnchen gay like buses,rikshaws etc q k har koi to apni apni private convence afford nahin karsakta na aur agar chalo public transport bhi larke aur larkion ki alag alag kardi to larke aur larkian ek hi stop pe khare ho k apne apne transport ka w8 karen gay phir kia hoga?ya to ek talbanized system bana dia jaye k aurten ghar se bahar hi na niklen aur agar bahar niklen to un ki pitai hogi...to iss system k kia faiday hain?Allah tala aise logon ka anjam bauaht bura karta hai jo kamzoor makhlooq pe zulm karte hain ....duniya main hi woh dekh letay hain jaisa k TALIBAN k saath hua aaj un ka hashar dogs se bhi bura hai pehle taliban ko america ne haddian den phir unhe khila khila k mota kia aur un pe khoob charbi charh gayi aur uss charbi se usa ne russia ko marwaya phir jab russia ko mar dia to woh charbi thori kam hogayi lekin khatam nahin hui phir america ne un ki charbi khatam karne k doran sood k tor pe un ka gosht bhi lelia ab woh bagher gosht k dhanchon ki tarah bilbilatay phir rahe hain aur chochon ki tarah billon main sar rahe hain anywayz yeh ek alag kahani hai lets stick to the topic [quote]pakistan jaisay mo'aashray main bahoot see aisee taalebaat haiN jo islami taleemaat par sakhti say amal karnay k sabab co-education maiN taleem hasil naheeN karna chaahti /nahee karsakti..... jabkay co-education k haami taalebaat n talabaa ko separate adarouN maiN paRhnay main koi pareeshani nahee...[/quote]
agar aap ne pakistan jaise mosharay ki baat ki hai to pakistan ki society main (remember im talking about pakistan not all muslim countries) main agar aap icecream parlours,quaid e azam k mazar aur dosre dating areas pe chale jayen to aap ko taqreeban jo ziada tar nazar aayen gi woh IZZAT DAR SHAREEF BURQA POSH NAQAB POSH LARKIAN.....humare country main 99% girls (im not talking about 1% still there r some girls left) iss liye burqe karti hain takay woh apni harkaten duniya walon se chupa saken
(main dobara keh rahi hoon im talking about 99% not all) aur iss baat ka saboot dating areas hain...even meri univ main taqreeban sab larkian gharon se to burqe kar k aati hain aur jaise hi univ k gate pe pohnchen burqa kahin woh khud kahin aur phir woh hoti haina ur univ main alrkon k saath ghoomti phirti hain jab k meri class ki woh larkian jo burqe nahin karten woh tawajuh se parhti hain apni parhai ko time deti hain.. ....anyhow meri class main ek larki aisi hai jo waqai sahi parda karti hai to woh larkijaise burqe main medical ki taleem hasil karrahi hai (im a medical student) na waise hi dosri larkian bhi agar chahen to burqa posh ho k taleem hasil karsakti hain agar unhe ziada hi problem hai to....yeh sab lame excuses hain k hum kaise parhen etc etc
[quote]aur sab say aham yeh k hum agar muslim haiN to islam parday / hijaab aur makhloot gathering ... bilkhasoos permanent gathering ko allow nahee karta... agar hum muslim hotay howay islami taaleem ki parwaah nahee kartay to phir jo marzi kartay phiraiN....[/quote] to janab taleemi idaron main hum koi gathering karne nahin jate balkay parhne jatay hain ilm hasil karne jate hain aur jo gathering karne wale girls n boys hain na woh to 100 pardon main bhi gathering kar letay hain as i have mentioned above aur islam sirf parde hijab ka hukum nahin deta balkay islam mardon ko bi parday ka hukum deta hai k ek baar dekha to dosri nazar jhuka lo lekin yahn kia hal hai sab ko pata hai aur aap ne gatherings ki baat ki to yeh jo HULCHUL hai is pe q aate hain aap?yahan bhi to girls hoti hain?to kia larkion se forum pe baat karna jaiz hai?yeh kon si hadith main aaya hai?
.....aur ek last baat agar aap iss discussion ko continue karna chahte hain to pehle mera sara BHASHAN parhen aur mere har paragraph ko quote karen jaise main ne kia hai....warna mujhse illogical baat mat karen ek typical jhootay muslim ki tarah...aur agar aap quote nahin karte to main smajh jaon gi k aap k pass koi javab nahin hai koi daleel nahin hai..mujhe koi prob nahin hogi lekin plz aap k previous reply ki tarah allal tap replies mat den
thanx
QUOTE(sohni_kudi @ Dec 29 2006, 09:20 PM)
yeh to apne apne point of view ki baat hai k aap ko mera BHASHAN to the point nahin laga...actually aap ne mere puray BHASHAN ko parhne ki zehmat hi nahin ki....actually yeh hum Muslims ki aadat hai k apne khilaf e marzi hote hue koi baat nahin dekh aur sun sakte aur humari issi aadat k jo consequences hum bhugat rahe hain woh ek alag kahani hai ....hum ne apne soch samjh k gates bilkul close kardiye hainilaf aur agar koii humare khmarzi baat kare to apni marzi ka islam bana k uss pe kufr k fatway laga ddetay hain....aur BHASHAN keh k uss ki tahzeek karte hain
aap na kaha [q]hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN makhloot ijtemaa aur taleemi adarouN k makhloo ijtema maiN agar aap ko koi 'faraq' nazar nahee aataa to yeh aap ki baseerat ka qasoor hai.[/q] aur aap ne yeh bhi kaha k
to mera jahan tak khial hai k hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc maiN mostly primary se ziada BARE BACHE hote hain
to phir educational institutes main co education aur hospitals, airports, librararies, railway, aircraft etc k makhloot ijtemat main kia difference hai?kia airport libraries ya hospitals main alag makhlooq hoti hai waqai meri BASEERAT yeh samjhne se qasir hai jo aap ki basseerat samjh rahi hai shayad mujhe chashme ki zaroorat hai aap ne kaha to agar aap mera pura reply parhne ki zehmat karte to main ne bhi kaha tha k jaise engeneering univ hain ya commerce education k idaray hain jahan girls lack of interest ki wajah se bauaht kam jati hain aur un institutes main larkion ka ratio larkon se bauaht kam hota hai to aise main kia kiya jaye?agar 2 buildings hain to ek building main larke aur ek building larkion ko to larkon ko bauaht problem ho jaye gi q k ek building larkon k liye bauhat choti pare gi
..like ek building k toilets,rooms,playgrounds etc etc... aur chalen agar hum ne phir bhi aisa kar hi dia yani girls boys ki buildings alag alag kar bhi den to girls n boys ek hi public transport k thru un idaron tak pohnchen gay like buses,rikshaws etc q k har koi to apni apni private convence afford nahin karsakta na aur agar chalo public transport bhi larke aur larkion ki alag alag kardi to larke aur larkian ek hi stop pe khare ho k apne apne transport ka w8 karen gay phir kia hoga?ya to ek talbanized system bana dia jaye k aurten ghar se bahar hi na niklen aur agar bahar niklen to un ki pitai hogi...to iss system k kia faiday hain?Allah tala aise logon ka anjam bauaht bura karta hai jo kamzoor makhlooq pe zulm karte hain ....duniya main hi woh dekh letay hain jaisa k TALIBAN k saath hua aaj un ka hashar dogs se bhi bura hai pehle taliban ko america ne haddian den phir unhe khila khila k mota kia aur un pe khoob charbi charh gayi aur uss charbi se usa ne russia ko marwaya phir jab russia ko mar dia to woh charbi thori kam hogayi lekin khatam nahin hui phir america ne un ki charbi khatam karne k doran sood k tor pe un ka gosht bhi lelia ab woh bagher gosht k dhanchon ki tarah bilbilatay phir rahe hain aur chochon ki tarah billon main sar rahe hain anywayz yeh ek alag kahani hai lets stick to the topic agar aap ne pakistan jaise mosharay ki baat ki hai to pakistan ki society main (remember im talking about pakistan not all muslim countries) main agar aap icecream parlours,quaid e azam k mazar aur dosre dating areas pe chale jayen to aap ko taqreeban jo ziada tar nazar aayen gi woh IZZAT DAR SHAREEF BURQA POSH NAQAB POSH LARKIAN.....humare country main 99% girls (im not talking about 1% still there r some girls left) iss liye burqe karti hain takay woh apni harkaten duniya walon se chupa saken
(main dobara keh rahi hoon im talking about 99% not all) aur iss baat ka saboot dating areas hain...even meri univ main taqreeban sab larkian gharon se to burqe kar k aati hain aur jaise hi univ k gate pe pohnchen burqa kahin woh khud kahin aur phir woh hoti haina ur univ main alrkon k saath ghoomti phirti hain jab k meri class ki woh larkian jo burqe nahin karten woh tawajuh se parhti hain apni parhai ko time deti hain.. ....anyhow meri class main ek larki aisi hai jo waqai sahi parda karti hai to woh larkijaise burqe main medical ki taleem hasil karrahi hai (im a medical student) na waise hi dosri larkian bhi agar chahen to burqa posh ho k taleem hasil karsakti hain agar unhe ziada hi problem hai to....yeh sab lame excuses hain k hum kaise parhen etc etc
to janab taleemi idaron main hum koi gathering karne nahin jate balkay parhne jatay hain ilm hasil karne jate hain aur jo gathering karne wale girls n boys hain na woh to 100 pardon main bhi gathering kar letay hain as i have mentioned above aur islam sirf parde hijab ka hukum nahin deta balkay islam mardon ko bi parday ka hukum deta hai k ek baar dekha to dosri nazar jhuka lo lekin yahn kia hal hai sab ko pata hai aur aap ne gatherings ki baat ki to yeh jo HULCHUL hai is pe q aate hain aap?yahan bhi to girls hoti hain?to kia larkion se forum pe baat karna jaiz hai?yeh kon si hadith main aaya hai?
.....aur ek last baat agar aap iss discussion ko continue karna chahte hain to pehle mera sara BHASHAN parhen aur mere har paragraph ko quote karen jaise main ne kia hai....warna mujhse illogical baat mat karen ek typical jhootay muslim ki tarah...aur agar aap quote nahin karte to main smajh jaon gi k aap k pass koi javab nahin hai koi daleel nahin hai..mujhe koi prob nahin hogi lekin plz aap k previous reply ki tarah allal tap replies mat den
thanx
aik aur taweeeeeeeeeeel bhashan
bhashan hindi maiN taqreer /speech ko kahtay haiN. agar aap ko hindi zobaan say nafrat hai to alag baat hai, warnah india maiN to baRay baray log bhashan detay haiN 
school college maiN co-education ki soorat maiN log barsouN saath rahtay haiN jabkay hospital airports par aisa naheeN hota.
hum kissi ko majboor naheeN karsaktay k woh hamaray bhashan
ko harf bah harf paRhay. yeh to tahreer / taqreer per monhasar hai k woh ketni jaandaar, attractive aur pur asar hai. paRhany ko log moTay motay novels harf bah harf paRhletay haiN aur na paRhnay ko aap ki replies naheeN paRhtay ... yeh writer k liyeh sochnay ka moqaam hai, readers k liyeh naheeN. agar aap iss topic par sanjeedgi say bahas / mokaalmah karna chaahti haiN to co-education k fawaid ... aqali bhi au naqli bhi ... naqli ka matlab to aap ko pata hi hoga ... yani jo quran /sunnat say naqal kardah matter par mabni houN ... one by one numbering k hisaab say pesh karaiN.... main apni naaqis ilm k motabiq har point ka jawaab denay ki kopshish karouNga.........
wazah rahay k iss mokaalmay ka maqsad yeh hargiz naheeN hoga k aap mujhay yaa maiN aap ko QAA'IL karlouN ... mobahesay maiN haar jeet maqsood o matloob naheeN honi chahiyeh. dounouN atraaf k dalaail record par aajayaiN takay khamosh aksariyat ... viewers jo reply nahee kartay ... k saamnay dounouN pahloo saamany aajayaIn aur onhaiN apni pasand k motabiq kissi aik ko opt karnay maiN asaani ho ... yehi true sprit hoti hai ... bahas mobahesay ki.
now it's ur turn to table down the points in favour of co-education.
pardah aur hijaab aik khalesatan deeni topic hai jiss par sirf quran o sunnat k hawalay say guftagoo ki jasakti hai... lekin alag topic per.... yahaaN mujhay aap k bay saro paa baatouN par aik aik bay tuka (jaisay ko taisa ) shair yaad aaraha hai:
sab mujhi say kahtay haiN, nigaah neechi rakh apni
koi onsay naheeN kahta, nah niklo youN ayaaN ho kar
muslims kia kartay haiN ... yeh aik alag baat hai aur islaam kia kahta hai yeh doosri baat hai ... in dounouN ko baham mix up nah karaiN. dunya ka koi aisa ghalat kaam naheeN jo muslims (kaheeN nah kaheeN, aur koi nah koi) nah karta ho. lekin iss say woh saaray kaam JAAIZ nahee hojatay... Allah nay jahannum ki waeed kuffar k saath saath aisay (so called) muslims k liyeh bhi banayee hai jo deen k against nah sirf yeh k amal kartay haiN... balkay ossay dil say durust bhi maantay haiN aur oski wakalat bhi kartay haiN. Allah hum sab ko aqlay saleem aataa karay aur quran o sunnat ka ilm hasil karnay ki taufeeq day. aameen
) shair yaad aaraha hai:sab mujhi say kahtay haiN, nigaah neechi rakh apni
koi onsay naheeN kahta, nah niklo youN ayaaN ho kar
muslims kia kartay haiN ... yeh aik alag baat hai aur islaam kia kahta hai yeh doosri baat hai ... in dounouN ko baham mix up nah karaiN. dunya ka koi aisa ghalat kaam naheeN jo muslims (kaheeN nah kaheeN, aur koi nah koi) nah karta ho. lekin iss say woh saaray kaam JAAIZ nahee hojatay... Allah nay jahannum ki waeed kuffar k saath saath aisay (so called) muslims k liyeh bhi banayee hai jo deen k against nah sirf yeh k amal kartay haiN... balkay ossay dil say durust bhi maantay haiN aur oski wakalat bhi kartay haiN. Allah hum sab ko aqlay saleem aataa karay aur quran o sunnat ka ilm hasil karnay ki taufeeq day. aameen
SalaaaaaaMzzzZz
mere khayal se co-education honi chahiye... iss baat per har kissi ka apna apna point of view hota hai..!! but honestly speakin wen ppl can allow their lil kids to go n study with guyz then y not wen they r in uni???
kehne ka matlab yeh hai k ager kal-ko kissi larki ko bahir job karni partii hai jo sirf galz education main parhii hai too wo kaisse handle kar paye gi aik male boss aur male colleages ko???
ppl who think dirty wud neva agree with this but this is true.... insaan jo hota hai woo khud hota hai... ager koi larki ya larki hai hi kharaab too co-education main parhaoo ya na parhaoo oss ne kharab hona hi hai.. aur ager koi sahi hai too woo co-education main bhi mahfooz hai..!!
mere khayal se co-education honi chahiye... iss baat per har kissi ka apna apna point of view hota hai..!! but honestly speakin wen ppl can allow their lil kids to go n study with guyz then y not wen they r in uni???
kehne ka matlab yeh hai k ager kal-ko kissi larki ko bahir job karni partii hai jo sirf galz education main parhii hai too wo kaisse handle kar paye gi aik male boss aur male colleages ko???
ppl who think dirty wud neva agree with this but this is true.... insaan jo hota hai woo khud hota hai... ager koi larki ya larki hai hi kharaab too co-education main parhaoo ya na parhaoo oss ne kharab hona hi hai.. aur ager koi sahi hai too woo co-education main bhi mahfooz hai..!!
QUOTE(tenha_saima @ Dec 30 2006, 09:08 AM)
SalaaaaaaMzzzZz
mere khayal se co-education honi chahiye... iss baat per har kissi ka apna apna point of view hota hai..!! but honestly speakin wen ppl can allow their lil kids to go n study with guyz then y not wen they r in uni???
kehne ka matlab yeh hai k ager kal-ko kissi larki ko bahir job karni partii hai jo sirf galz education main parhii hai too wo kaisse handle kar paye gi aik male boss aur male colleages ko???
ppl who think dirty wud neva agree with this but this is true.... insaan jo hota hai woo khud hota hai... ager koi larki ya larki hai hi kharaab too co-education main parhaoo ya na parhaoo oss ne kharab hona hi hai.. aur ager koi sahi hai too woo co-education main bhi mahfooz hai..!!
bah zaahir aap ki baat maiN baRa wazan hai ... co-education k aur bhi bahoot say fawaaid haiN ... lekin iskay nuqsaanaat bhi haiN.... jaisay quran kahta hai aur accept karta hai k sharaab maiN faaidah bhi hai lekin chouNkay iskay nuqsaanaat, faaiday say zeyadaah hai, lehaza yeh HARAM / mana hai.
issi tarah (aik muslim k liyeh, non muslim k liyeh naheeN) co-education maiN faidah kam hai aur nuqsaanaa (deeni o dunyawi dounouN) zeyadaah hai.... co-education system maiN hamaiN bahoot see islami taleemat ki nafi karni paRti hai. lekin agar hum islam ko aik taraf rakh daiN to phir to hum amerika europe ki tarah co-education system say bahoot say faaiday hasil karsaktay haiN....
acha bahes ja rahi hay yaqeenan logon ko is say faida ho ga.
main bhi apna point clear karta chalon takay app dono ko sayad is say bhi koi madad hasil ho.
Islamic point of view say Co-education sara sar ghalat hay. ab yeah kehna kay hamary pass dosra school ya uni bananay kay wasail nahi hain ya or koi factors tu yeah sab baykar ho ga. islam ko mana hay tu pora mana ho ga. yaqeenan islam main lachak bhi hay yeah nahi hay kay islam majboori ko nahi samjhta.
islam main sab hay agar app us ko obey karnay walay banain tu.
or yeah batt kay co-education say Confidence build hota hay tu yeah sab bhi baykar hay. mian nay kabhi bhi kisi Co school ya college mian edcuation hasil nahi ki. magar asa nahi hay kay mujhy office mian koi problem hoti hay larkiyon say batt karnay main. tu confedence wali batt tu sara sar ghalat hay. is mian koi sachaye nahi hay na koi yeah solid daleel hay. tu yeah tha islamic point of view.
ab atay hain dosri taraf. agar main yeah kehta hon kay islam main co-education ghalat hay tu mera yeah matlab nahi hay jo larkiyain ya larkay co-education hasil kar rahay hain woh sab ikhlaqi tor per ghalat hain.
akk batt yeah bhi aye hay yahan kay, insan per depend karta hay. kuch log parda kar kay bhi kharab hain or kuch na kar kay bhi theek hain. but is mian parday ka koi qasoor nahi hay.
jaysy agar koi larki jeans pahanti hay tu yeah matlab nahi yeah koi ikhlaqi tor per Corrupt larki hay. kuch jeans pahen kar bhi theek hain or kuch jeans na pahen kar bhi kharab hain tu is main jeans ki tu koi ghalti nahi hay na?asay hi parday ki bhi koi ghalti nahi hay. dono chezon mian faraq bas yeah hay kay kon kiss cheez ko zayda tarjeeh deyta hay.
or beech beech main musalmano ki bhi class le ja rahi hay yahan
but asa nahi hay ajj bhi dunyain main islam ko samjhnay walay log hain.
jahan tak batt kartay hain app kay islam kehta hay kay orat ko ghar main bitha do parday main tu asa bhi kuch nahi hay. agar asa hota tu ajj USA main koi larki islam qabool na karti. sayad logon ko maloom ho per phir batata chalon kay usa mian islam qabool karnay walon main khawateen ki tadad zayda hay banisbat mardon kay. so yeah batt tu ab clear ho jani chahiye kay asal islam kia hay. or logon kay khud ka banaya howa islam kia hay. magar badkismati yeah hay kay ko log islam jo phartay nahi woh logon kay banaey howay islam ko hi dekh kar Criticize kartay hain.
batain tu or bhi kafi sari hain per in the end yeah kay kosis karain kay deen per zayda say zayada amal karnay ki kosis karain. or agar nahi kartay tu kam say kam jo app kar rahay hain us ki himayat na karain.
main bhi apna point clear karta chalon takay app dono ko sayad is say bhi koi madad hasil ho.
Islamic point of view say Co-education sara sar ghalat hay. ab yeah kehna kay hamary pass dosra school ya uni bananay kay wasail nahi hain ya or koi factors tu yeah sab baykar ho ga. islam ko mana hay tu pora mana ho ga. yaqeenan islam main lachak bhi hay yeah nahi hay kay islam majboori ko nahi samjhta.
islam main sab hay agar app us ko obey karnay walay banain tu.
or yeah batt kay co-education say Confidence build hota hay tu yeah sab bhi baykar hay. mian nay kabhi bhi kisi Co school ya college mian edcuation hasil nahi ki. magar asa nahi hay kay mujhy office mian koi problem hoti hay larkiyon say batt karnay main. tu confedence wali batt tu sara sar ghalat hay. is mian koi sachaye nahi hay na koi yeah solid daleel hay. tu yeah tha islamic point of view.
ab atay hain dosri taraf. agar main yeah kehta hon kay islam main co-education ghalat hay tu mera yeah matlab nahi hay jo larkiyain ya larkay co-education hasil kar rahay hain woh sab ikhlaqi tor per ghalat hain.
akk batt yeah bhi aye hay yahan kay, insan per depend karta hay. kuch log parda kar kay bhi kharab hain or kuch na kar kay bhi theek hain. but is mian parday ka koi qasoor nahi hay.
jaysy agar koi larki jeans pahanti hay tu yeah matlab nahi yeah koi ikhlaqi tor per Corrupt larki hay. kuch jeans pahen kar bhi theek hain or kuch jeans na pahen kar bhi kharab hain tu is main jeans ki tu koi ghalti nahi hay na?asay hi parday ki bhi koi ghalti nahi hay. dono chezon mian faraq bas yeah hay kay kon kiss cheez ko zayda tarjeeh deyta hay.
or beech beech main musalmano ki bhi class le ja rahi hay yahan
but asa nahi hay ajj bhi dunyain main islam ko samjhnay walay log hain.jahan tak batt kartay hain app kay islam kehta hay kay orat ko ghar main bitha do parday main tu asa bhi kuch nahi hay. agar asa hota tu ajj USA main koi larki islam qabool na karti. sayad logon ko maloom ho per phir batata chalon kay usa mian islam qabool karnay walon main khawateen ki tadad zayda hay banisbat mardon kay. so yeah batt tu ab clear ho jani chahiye kay asal islam kia hay. or logon kay khud ka banaya howa islam kia hay. magar badkismati yeah hay kay ko log islam jo phartay nahi woh logon kay banaey howay islam ko hi dekh kar Criticize kartay hain.
batain tu or bhi kafi sari hain per in the end yeah kay kosis karain kay deen per zayda say zayada amal karnay ki kosis karain. or agar nahi kartay tu kam say kam jo app kar rahay hain us ki himayat na karain.
Co-education honi chaiye.. or mein saima k reply say 100% agree karti hon 
jiss nay bigarna hai voh kise bhi mahool mein bigar skata hai
jiss nay bigarna hai voh kise bhi mahool mein bigar skata hai
QUOTE(KinZz @ Dec 31 2006, 01:33 AM)
Co-education honi chaiye.. or mein saima k reply say 100% agree karti hon
jiss nay bigarna hai voh kise bhi mahool mein bigar skata hai
it means k insaan k bigaRnay / saNwarnay maiN 'maahaul' ka koi kirdaar naheeN hota .... hmmmmmmmm debatable khayaal hai....
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Dec 30 2006, 09:07 AM)
aik aur taweeeeeeeeeeel bhashan
bhashan hindi maiN taqreer /speech ko kahtay haiN. agar aap ko hindi zobaan say nafrat hai to alag baat hai, warnah india maiN to baRay baray log bhashan detay haiN school college maiN co-education ki soorat maiN log barsouN saath rahtay haiN jabkay hospital airports par aisa naheeN hota.
hum kissi ko majboor naheeN karsaktay k woh hamaray bhashan
ko harf bah harf paRhay. yeh to tahreer / taqreer per monhasar hai k woh ketni jaandaar, attractive aur pur asar hai. paRhany ko log moTay motay novels harf bah harf paRhletay haiN aur na paRhnay ko aap ki replies naheeN paRhtay ... yeh writer k liyeh sochnay ka moqaam hai, readers k liyeh naheeN. agar aap iss topic par sanjeedgi say bahas / mokaalmah karna chaahti haiN to co-education k fawaid ... aqali bhi au naqli bhi ... naqli ka matlab to aap ko pata hi hoga ... yani jo quran /sunnat say naqal kardah matter par mabni houN ... one by one numbering k hisaab say pesh karaiN.... main apni naaqis ilm k motabiq har point ka jawaab denay ki kopshish karouNga.........
wazah rahay k iss mokaalmay ka maqsad yeh hargiz naheeN hoga k aap mujhay yaa maiN aap ko QAA'IL karlouN ... mobahesay maiN haar jeet maqsood o matloob naheeN honi chahiyeh. dounouN atraaf k dalaail record par aajayaiN takay khamosh aksariyat ... viewers jo reply nahee kartay ... k saamnay dounouN pahloo saamany aajayaIn aur onhaiN apni pasand k motabiq kissi aik ko opt karnay maiN asaani ho ... yehi true sprit hoti hai ... bahas mobahesay ki.
now it's ur turn to table down the points in favour of co-education.
aap k iss reply pe mujhe bhi ek be tukka mahawara yaad aarha hai(moqay or reply ki munasbat se) BHENS K AAGAY BIN BAJANA
aur ek aur ANDHE K AAGAY RO APNI AANKHEN KHO ......main ne 2 posts main aap ko saray dalail paish kiye aur aap har baar ALAL TAP replies detay hain jab k main ne aap se kleh dia tha k aap mere har paragraph ko quote kar k reply den jaise k main ne apne reply main aap ko quote kia hua tha aur main ne yeh bhi kaha tha k agar aap aisa nahin karte to main samjh jaon gi k aap k pass ab koi AQLI dalail nahin hain balkay sab NAQLI dalail hain aur aap ne waisa hi kia..actually aap ko mere points k javab nahin aarahe nor u can debate....so it is useless to waste our time... 
QUOTE(KHAL NAYAK @ Dec 30 2006, 03:26 PM)
acha bahes ja rahi hay yaqeenan logon ko is say faida ho ga.
main bhi apna point clear karta chalon takay app dono ko sayad is say bhi koi madad hasil ho.
Islamic point of view say Co-education sara sar ghalat hay. ab yeah kehna kay hamary pass dosra school ya uni bananay kay wasail nahi hain ya or koi factors tu yeah sab baykar ho ga. islam ko mana hay tu pora mana ho ga. yaqeenan islam main lachak bhi hay yeah nahi hay kay islam majboori ko nahi samjhta.
islam main sab hay agar app us ko obey karnay walay banain tu.
or yeah batt kay co-education say Confidence build hota hay tu yeah sab bhi baykar hay. mian nay kabhi bhi kisi Co school ya college mian edcuation hasil nahi ki. magar asa nahi hay kay mujhy office mian koi problem hoti hay larkiyon say batt karnay main. tu confedence wali batt tu sara sar ghalat hay. is mian koi sachaye nahi hay na koi yeah solid daleel hay. tu yeah tha islamic point of view.
ab atay hain dosri taraf. agar main yeah kehta hon kay islam main co-education ghalat hay tu mera yeah matlab nahi hay jo larkiyain ya larkay co-education hasil kar rahay hain woh sab ikhlaqi tor per ghalat hain.
akk batt yeah bhi aye hay yahan kay, insan per depend karta hay. kuch log parda kar kay bhi kharab hain or kuch na kar kay bhi theek hain. but is mian parday ka koi qasoor nahi hay.
jaysy agar koi larki jeans pahanti hay tu yeah matlab nahi yeah koi ikhlaqi tor per Corrupt larki hay. kuch jeans pahen kar bhi theek hain or kuch jeans na pahen kar bhi kharab hain tu is main jeans ki tu koi ghalti nahi hay na?asay hi parday ki bhi koi ghalti nahi hay. dono chezon mian faraq bas yeah hay kay kon kiss cheez ko zayda tarjeeh deyta hay.
or beech beech main musalmano ki bhi class le ja rahi hay yahan
but asa nahi hay ajj bhi dunyain main islam ko samjhnay walay log hain.jahan tak batt kartay hain app kay islam kehta hay kay orat ko ghar main bitha do parday main tu asa bhi kuch nahi hay. agar asa hota tu ajj USA main koi larki islam qabool na karti. sayad logon ko maloom ho per phir batata chalon kay usa mian islam qabool karnay walon main khawateen ki tadad zayda hay banisbat mardon kay. so yeah batt tu ab clear ho jani chahiye kay asal islam kia hay. or logon kay khud ka banaya howa islam kia hay. magar badkismati yeah hay kay ko log islam jo phartay nahi woh logon kay banaey howay islam ko hi dekh kar Criticize kartay hain.
batain tu or bhi kafi sari hain per in the end yeah kay kosis karain kay deen per zayda say zayada amal karnay ki kosis karain. or agar nahi kartay tu kam say kam jo app kar rahay hain us ki himayat na karain.
good KN bhai aap k points bauhat acche aur strong hain...lekin agar aap ghor se dekhen to mere points bhi same aap k hi points hain...aur ek baat aur main ne muslims ki koi class nahin li q k im also a muslim...
n muslims r the coolest ppl in world...lekin islam ko sab se ziada nuqsan MULLA thing ne pohnchaya hai ....halway khane k liye apni marzi se islam k baray main jo batana chaha woh bataya aur islam k bauhat saray acche pehlu humari nazron se dur rakhe hain....mujhe aap kpoints se ittefaq hai aur yeh hi baat karne ka munasib tareeka bhi hai. 
i think kuch logon ko seekhne ki zaroorat hai
QUOTE(tenha_saima @ Dec 30 2006, 09:38 AM)
SalaaaaaaMzzzZz
mere khayal se co-education honi chahiye... iss baat per har kissi ka apna apna point of view hota hai..!! but honestly speakin wen ppl can allow their lil kids to go n study with guyz then y not wen they r in uni???
kehne ka matlab yeh hai k ager kal-ko kissi larki ko bahir job karni partii hai jo sirf galz education main parhii hai too wo kaisse handle kar paye gi aik male boss aur male colleages ko???
ppl who think dirty wud neva agree with this but this is true.... insaan jo hota hai woo khud hota hai... ager koi larki ya larki hai hi kharaab too co-education main parhaoo ya na parhaoo oss ne kharab hona hi hai.. aur ager koi sahi hai too woo co-education main bhi mahfooz hai..!!
haan ur point is good saima....aur yeh baat main Khalnayak ko un k reply main mention karna bhool gayi tumhare reply se mujhe yaad aagya ...khalnayak ne kaha k unho ne kabhi co education se nahin parha phir bhi he doesn't face any problem with female collegues to KN actually u r a boy aur larkon ne chahe co education main na bhi parha ho phir bhi mahool,family aur kuch naturally boys can adjust wid girls even if they havent studies from a co education institute...lekin the opposite applies to girls...ek to pakistani society main girls ko waise bhi bauhat acchi protection nahin hasil hai...if u r a girl aur aap car afford nahin kar sakte or aap ka aana jana buses main hai to aap yaqeen maniye dirty log aap ko iss qadar preshan kardetay hain...cuz they think k yeh larki ghar se bahar nikli hai to there is some thing wrong wid her character
....yeh sara experience meri do teen frnds hain un ka hai....dono ko mostly main hi drop kardeti hoon lekin jis din mein univ nahin aati to un ko bus se hi jana parta hai to woh mujhe batati hain k kiran u cant even think dirty minded ppl try to touch us ,pass bad comments and cut bad jokes on us....yeh sun k mujhe such main bauhat afsoos hota hai aur majority balkay 100% log wohi hain jin k gharona main parde ka rivaj hai...un k liye girls koi anokhi cheez hain...unho ne kabhi girls k saath interact nahin kia hai....main samjhti hoon jitni burian pathans main aam hain shayad kisi aur main q k un k yahan nihayat hi strictness hai parde ki....sorry main kia keh rahi thi aur apne topic se bhatak gayi haan to main keh rahi thi k boys can adjust wid girls even if they havent studies from a co education institute lekin pakistani society main jahan girls ko bauaht ziada security aur protection nahin de jati jo girls boys k saath bilkul interact nahin karen gi....school se college aur college se univ apni life k 23 24 saal bagher co education k guzar den gi aur suppose un ka irada job karne ka nahin lekin kabhi Allah na kare un pe bura wakt aajaye jaise un ka male guardian dead hoajye to phir un ko practical field main aana hi pare to woh kia karen gi...ab yeh kehna bekar hai k woh kisi aise idaray main kaam karlen gi jahan un ka males se koi taluq nahinm hoga q k sab ko pata hai aisa hona impossible hai...aur agar woh naqab laga k woh job karen gi to bhi males se un ka interaction hoga,baat cheet,get to gethers waghera,proffessional meetings...uss wakt woh kia karen gi?kia un main confidence hoga?kia un main manners honge?
QUOTE(KinZz @ Dec 31 2006, 02:03 AM)
Co-education honi chaiye.. or mein saima k reply say 100% agree karti hon
jiss nay bigarna hai voh kise bhi mahool mein bigar skata hai
balkay bigarne k liye ek aisa mahol ziada suitable hota hai jahan sirf same gendr k log hoon....q k girls k hone se boys try to behave nicely aur boys ki presence se girls try to behave well....aur yeh baat ek survey se samne aayi hai k co education educational institutes main parhne wale students ki performane ek non co education institute main parhne walon se 60% better hoti hai...so these r all physchological patterns jin ko study karna must hai to hume pata chalta hai
My reply is NO
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Dec 28 2006, 03:37 PM)
NO
1) hum musalmaan haiN aur islam makhloot taleem hi naheeN, balkay har qism k makhloot ijtemaa aat ki ijazat naheeN deta.
2) primary satah ki makhloot taleem maiN to koi masla naheeN lekin saanvi, aalaa saanvi aur university satah pay to co-education ko islam allow nahee karta. aur iskay smaji boraiyyaN bhi bahoot zeyadah haiN... aur fawaa'id bahoot kam.
3) albatta agar kaheeN taleem to bahoot zaroori ho aur boys /girls k liyeh alag alag taaleemi adaray afford nah kiyeh jasatay houN to aisee naa.guzeer soortouN maiN aarzi bunyadouN par makhloot tallem dee jasakti hai bashartekay k:
a) class maiN males /females ki separate sitting arangements houN.
b) jab students ki tadaad aik section say zayad hojaye to males /females ki alag alag section bana di jaye.
c) wasaail miltay hi adaray alag alag kar diye jayaiN...
agar hum nay co-education ko west ki tarah open farogh detay rahay to woh din doooooooor naheeN jab hamaray haaN bhi bachi khochi akhlaaqiyaat ka janazaah nikal jayega aur woh sab honay lagega jiss say aaj west pareeshan horaha hai.
1) hum musalmaan haiN aur islam makhloot taleem hi naheeN, balkay har qism k makhloot ijtemaa aat ki ijazat naheeN deta.
2) primary satah ki makhloot taleem maiN to koi masla naheeN lekin saanvi, aalaa saanvi aur university satah pay to co-education ko islam allow nahee karta. aur iskay smaji boraiyyaN bhi bahoot zeyadah haiN... aur fawaa'id bahoot kam.
3) albatta agar kaheeN taleem to bahoot zaroori ho aur boys /girls k liyeh alag alag taaleemi adaray afford nah kiyeh jasatay houN to aisee naa.guzeer soortouN maiN aarzi bunyadouN par makhloot tallem dee jasakti hai bashartekay k:
a) class maiN males /females ki separate sitting arangements houN.
b) jab students ki tadaad aik section say zayad hojaye to males /females ki alag alag section bana di jaye.
c) wasaail miltay hi adaray alag alag kar diye jayaiN...
agar hum nay co-education ko west ki tarah open farogh detay rahay to woh din doooooooor naheeN jab hamaray haaN bhi bachi khochi akhlaaqiyaat ka janazaah nikal jayega aur woh sab honay lagega jiss say aaj west pareeshan horaha hai.
Very Nice Reply
Aap ki hamesha positive aur achi posts aur replies hote hein aur aik behen hone ke naate really mujhey aap jaise bhai pe fakhar hai Aap ke liye mera aik latest shair haazir hai
Yunhi chalte jaana haq ki raah mein
Chahye so rukawatein aayin is raah mein
Mat ghabrana in aarzi pathrun se
Allah himmat diye rahe yunhi isi raah mein
QUOTE(sohni_kudi @ Jan 1 2007, 10:22 PM)
haan ur point is good saima....aur yeh baat main Khalnayak ko un k reply main mention karna bhool gayi tumhare reply se mujhe yaad aagya ...khalnayak ne kaha k unho ne kabhi co education se nahin parha phir bhi he doesn't face any problem with female collegues to KN actually u r a boy aur larkon ne chahe co education main na bhi parha ho phir bhi mahool,family aur kuch naturally boys can adjust wid girls even if they havent studies from a co education institute...lekin the opposite applies to girls...ek to pakistani society main girls ko waise bhi bauhat acchi protection nahin hasil hai...if u r a girl aur aap car afford nahin kar sakte or aap ka aana jana buses main hai to aap yaqeen maniye dirty log aap ko iss qadar preshan kardetay hain...cuz they think k yeh larki ghar se bahar nikli hai to there is some thing wrong wid her character ....yeh sara experience meri do teen frnds hain un ka hai....dono ko mostly main hi drop kardeti hoon lekin jis din mein univ nahin aati to un ko bus se hi jana parta hai to woh mujhe batati hain k kiran u cant even think dirty minded ppl try to touch us ,pass bad comments and cut bad jokes on us....yeh sun k mujhe such main bauhat afsoos hota hai aur majority balkay 100% log wohi hain jin k gharona main parde ka rivaj hai...un k liye girls koi anokhi cheez hain...unho ne kabhi girls k saath interact nahin kia hai....main samjhti hoon jitni burian pathans main aam hain shayad kisi aur main q k un k yahan nihayat hi strictness hai parde ki....sorry main kia keh rahi thi aur apne topic se bhatak gayi haan to main keh rahi thi k boys can adjust wid girls even if they havent studies from a co education institute lekin pakistani society main jahan girls ko bauaht ziada security aur protection nahin de jati jo girls boys k saath bilkul interact nahin karen gi....school se college aur college se univ apni life k 23 24 saal bagher co education k guzar den gi aur suppose un ka irada job karne ka nahin lekin kabhi Allah na kare un pe bura wakt aajaye jaise un ka male guardian dead hoajye to phir un ko practical field main aana hi pare to woh kia karen gi...ab yeh kehna bekar hai k woh kisi aise idaray main kaam karlen gi jahan un ka males se koi taluq nahinm hoga q k sab ko pata hai aisa hona impossible hai...aur agar woh naqab laga k woh job karen gi to bhi males se un ka interaction hoga,baat cheet,get to gethers waghera,proffessional meetings...uss wakt woh kia karen gi?kia un main confidence hoga?kia un main manners honge?
....yeh sara experience meri do teen frnds hain un ka hai....dono ko mostly main hi drop kardeti hoon lekin jis din mein univ nahin aati to un ko bus se hi jana parta hai to woh mujhe batati hain k kiran u cant even think dirty minded ppl try to touch us ,pass bad comments and cut bad jokes on us....yeh sun k mujhe such main bauhat afsoos hota hai aur majority balkay 100% log wohi hain jin k gharona main parde ka rivaj hai...un k liye girls koi anokhi cheez hain...unho ne kabhi girls k saath interact nahin kia hai....main samjhti hoon jitni burian pathans main aam hain shayad kisi aur main q k un k yahan nihayat hi strictness hai parde ki....sorry main kia keh rahi thi aur apne topic se bhatak gayi haan to main keh rahi thi k boys can adjust wid girls even if they havent studies from a co education institute lekin pakistani society main jahan girls ko bauaht ziada security aur protection nahin de jati jo girls boys k saath bilkul interact nahin karen gi....school se college aur college se univ apni life k 23 24 saal bagher co education k guzar den gi aur suppose un ka irada job karne ka nahin lekin kabhi Allah na kare un pe bura wakt aajaye jaise un ka male guardian dead hoajye to phir un ko practical field main aana hi pare to woh kia karen gi...ab yeh kehna bekar hai k woh kisi aise idaray main kaam karlen gi jahan un ka males se koi taluq nahinm hoga q k sab ko pata hai aisa hona impossible hai...aur agar woh naqab laga k woh job karen gi to bhi males se un ka interaction hoga,baat cheet,get to gethers waghera,proffessional meetings...uss wakt woh kia karen gi?kia un main confidence hoga?kia un main manners honge?sab say pehlay jis batt ko clear karna cahon ga woh app ka nazarya hay pathano kay khilaf
main pathan nahi hon but main is cheez kay khilaf hon kay kisi kay zatti fail ko hum yeah keh dain kay yeah qom hi asi hay. mislan app kia samjhti hain pathan qom mian bachoon ko yeah sekhaya jata hay kay beta apni khawateen ki recpect karna or dosri ki khawateen ko chahy marzi karoo koi rook took nhi hay . asa kuch nahi hay. or akk dosri batt kay pathan agar apni khawateen ko 7 pardon mian rakhtay hain tu its means woh Orat ka asal maqam jantay hain. is batt ko app asay samjh sakti hain kay jiss ko izzat karni hoti hay woh karta hay or jiss ko nahi karni hoti us kay ghar bhalay islamic ho ya secular us ko parwa nahi. PUNCH LINE "kisi shaks kay zatti fail ka taluk us ki qoom say nahi hota".second batt kay larkay tu survive kar letay hain magar larkiyain nahi kar sakti hain agar woh co education idaron mian na parhi hoon. asa bhi nahi hay. jaysy main nay co-education main nahi parha or koi muskil nahi mujhy co-idaray main kam karnay say asay hi buhat si girls bhi hain jo kabhi co-institutes main nahi gayain magar practical life main un ko koi problem nahi. or jahan tak batt hay kay agar larki male gender say batt nahi karay ge tu confidence nahi ata us mian tu us kay liye mian yahi kahon ga agar asi hi batt hay tu Father or Brother jaysy ristay tu har ghar main hotay hain or phir agar family ho tu us main bhi kafi log hotay hi hain. mislan jo larkiyan co-education mian nahi pharti hain kia woh family main bhi kisi male say batt nahi kar sakti hain? i m sure kay asa nahi hay.
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Dec 31 2006, 09:01 AM)
it means k insaan k bigaRnay / saNwarnay maiN 'maahaul' ka koi kirdaar naheeN hota .... hmmmmmmmm debatable khayaal hai....
Jee mere khayal say tu aisa hi hota hai..
QUOTE(sohni_kudi @ Jan 1 2007, 10:27 PM)
balkay bigarne k liye ek aisa mahol ziada suitable hota hai jahan sirf same gendr k log hoon....q k girls k hone se boys try to behave nicely aur boys ki presence se girls try to behave well....aur yeh baat ek survey se samne aayi hai k co education educational institutes main parhne wale students ki performane ek non co education institute main parhne walon se 60% better hoti hai...so these r all physchological patterns jin ko study karna must hai to hume pata chalta haiHmm mostly aisa hi hota hai jo larkay co-studies kartay hain tu unhay larkiyo ki taraf shayed itne koi khas attraction nahe hoti.. per jo co-studentz nahe hotay larkay unhay kuch ziyada interest hota hai larkiyu mein
k jaisay pata nahe kia chez hai ye larkiya...
QUOTE(KHAL NAYAK @ Jan 2 2007, 03:07 PM)
sab say pehlay jis batt ko clear karna cahon ga woh app ka nazarya hay pathano kay khilaf main pathan nahi hon but main is cheez kay khilaf hon kay kisi kay zatti fail ko hum yeah keh dain kay yeah qom hi asi hay. mislan app kia samjhti hain pathan qom mian bachoon ko yeah sekhaya jata hay kay beta apni khawateen ki recpect karna or dosri ki khawateen ko chahy marzi karoo koi rook took nhi hay . asa kuch nahi hay. or akk dosri batt kay pathan agar apni khawateen ko 7 pardon mian rakhtay hain tu its means woh Orat ka asal maqam jantay hain. is batt ko app asay samjh sakti hain kay jiss ko izzat karni hoti hay woh karta hay or jiss ko nahi karni hoti us kay ghar bhalay islamic ho ya secular us ko parwa nahi. PUNCH LINE "kisi shaks kay zatti fail ka taluk us ki qoom say nahi hota".
second batt kay larkay tu survive kar letay hain magar larkiyain nahi kar sakti hain agar woh co education idaron mian na parhi hoon. asa bhi nahi hay. jaysy main nay co-education main nahi parha or koi muskil nahi mujhy co-idaray main kam karnay say asay hi buhat si girls bhi hain jo kabhi co-institutes main nahi gayain magar practical life main un ko koi problem nahi. or jahan tak batt hay kay agar larki male gender say batt nahi karay ge tu confidence nahi ata us mian tu us kay liye mian yahi kahon ga agar asi hi batt hay tu Father or Brother jaysy ristay tu har ghar main hotay hain or phir agar family ho tu us main bhi kafi log hotay hi hain. mislan jo larkiyan co-education mian nahi pharti hain kia woh family main bhi kisi male say batt nahi kar sakti hain? i m sure kay asa nahi hay.
main pathan nahi hon but main is cheez kay khilaf hon kay kisi kay zatti fail ko hum yeah keh dain kay yeah qom hi asi hay. mislan app kia samjhti hain pathan qom mian bachoon ko yeah sekhaya jata hay kay beta apni khawateen ki recpect karna or dosri ki khawateen ko chahy marzi karoo koi rook took nhi hay . asa kuch nahi hay. or akk dosri batt kay pathan agar apni khawateen ko 7 pardon mian rakhtay hain tu its means woh Orat ka asal maqam jantay hain. is batt ko app asay samjh sakti hain kay jiss ko izzat karni hoti hay woh karta hay or jiss ko nahi karni hoti us kay ghar bhalay islamic ho ya secular us ko parwa nahi. PUNCH LINE "kisi shaks kay zatti fail ka taluk us ki qoom say nahi hota".second batt kay larkay tu survive kar letay hain magar larkiyain nahi kar sakti hain agar woh co education idaron mian na parhi hoon. asa bhi nahi hay. jaysy main nay co-education main nahi parha or koi muskil nahi mujhy co-idaray main kam karnay say asay hi buhat si girls bhi hain jo kabhi co-institutes main nahi gayain magar practical life main un ko koi problem nahi. or jahan tak batt hay kay agar larki male gender say batt nahi karay ge tu confidence nahi ata us mian tu us kay liye mian yahi kahon ga agar asi hi batt hay tu Father or Brother jaysy ristay tu har ghar main hotay hain or phir agar family ho tu us main bhi kafi log hotay hi hain. mislan jo larkiyan co-education mian nahi pharti hain kia woh family main bhi kisi male say batt nahi kar sakti hain? i m sure kay asa nahi hay.
I think is baat per bhas karnay ka koi faida nahe hai.. q k app ek larkay ho or app osi point of view say
soch skatay ho or larkiya apnay point of view say sochti hain.. app ek bahi or baap ki hasiyat say is issue per apna opnion daitay hai jo k bilkul sahi hai her koi apni bahen or betiyo ko safe deakhna chata hai... per ye khena galat hoga k jo larkiya co-education mein studies nahe karti voh safe hoti hai bighar nahe sakti aisa nahe hai.. co-education ka plus point bas ye hi hai k larkiya larko ko confidently face kersakti hai.. or jo co-education mein nahe paree hoti yani unho nay kahi larko ko face na kia ho apni life mein voh larko ki chalakiyo ko i think samjh bhi nahe skati or mostly aisi hi larkiya bewakof ban jate hain larko k haathoo.. mein sab ka nahe kah rahe per mostly aisa hi hota hai.. her jaga per her kisam k log hotay hain achay bhi or boray bhi...
QUOTE(KHAL NAYAK @ Jan 2 2007, 03:37 PM)
sab say pehlay jis batt ko clear karna cahon ga woh app ka nazarya hay pathano kay khilaf main pathan nahi hon but main is cheez kay khilaf hon kay kisi kay zatti fail ko hum yeah keh dain kay yeah qom hi asi hay. mislan app kia samjhti hain pathan qom mian bachoon ko yeah sekhaya jata hay kay beta apni khawateen ki recpect karna or dosri ki khawateen ko chahy marzi karoo koi rook took nhi hay . asa kuch nahi hay. or akk dosri batt kay pathan agar apni khawateen ko 7 pardon mian rakhtay hain tu its means woh Orat ka asal maqam jantay hain. is batt ko app asay samjh sakti hain kay jiss ko izzat karni hoti hay woh karta hay or jiss ko nahi karni hoti us kay ghar bhalay islamic ho ya secular us ko parwa nahi. PUNCH LINE "kisi shaks kay zatti fail ka taluk us ki qoom say nahi hota".
second batt kay larkay tu survive kar letay hain magar larkiyain nahi kar sakti hain agar woh co education idaron mian na parhi hoon. asa bhi nahi hay. jaysy main nay co-education main nahi parha or koi muskil nahi mujhy co-idaray main kam karnay say asay hi buhat si girls bhi hain jo kabhi co-institutes main nahi gayain magar practical life main un ko koi problem nahi. or jahan tak batt hay kay agar larki male gender say batt nahi karay ge tu confidence nahi ata us mian tu us kay liye mian yahi kahon ga agar asi hi batt hay tu Father or Brother jaysy ristay tu har ghar main hotay hain or phir agar family ho tu us main bhi kafi log hotay hi hain. mislan jo larkiyan co-education mian nahi pharti hain kia woh family main bhi kisi male say batt nahi kar sakti hain? i m sure kay asa nahi hay.
main pathan nahi hon but main is cheez kay khilaf hon kay kisi kay zatti fail ko hum yeah keh dain kay yeah qom hi asi hay. mislan app kia samjhti hain pathan qom mian bachoon ko yeah sekhaya jata hay kay beta apni khawateen ki recpect karna or dosri ki khawateen ko chahy marzi karoo koi rook took nhi hay . asa kuch nahi hay. or akk dosri batt kay pathan agar apni khawateen ko 7 pardon mian rakhtay hain tu its means woh Orat ka asal maqam jantay hain. is batt ko app asay samjh sakti hain kay jiss ko izzat karni hoti hay woh karta hay or jiss ko nahi karni hoti us kay ghar bhalay islamic ho ya secular us ko parwa nahi. PUNCH LINE "kisi shaks kay zatti fail ka taluk us ki qoom say nahi hota".second batt kay larkay tu survive kar letay hain magar larkiyain nahi kar sakti hain agar woh co education idaron mian na parhi hoon. asa bhi nahi hay. jaysy main nay co-education main nahi parha or koi muskil nahi mujhy co-idaray main kam karnay say asay hi buhat si girls bhi hain jo kabhi co-institutes main nahi gayain magar practical life main un ko koi problem nahi. or jahan tak batt hay kay agar larki male gender say batt nahi karay ge tu confidence nahi ata us mian tu us kay liye mian yahi kahon ga agar asi hi batt hay tu Father or Brother jaysy ristay tu har ghar main hotay hain or phir agar family ho tu us main bhi kafi log hotay hi hain. mislan jo larkiyan co-education mian nahi pharti hain kia woh family main bhi kisi male say batt nahi kar sakti hain? i m sure kay asa nahi hay.
pathan qom ka keh k mera maqsad kisi ki dil azari nahin tha...even pathans khud mante hain k un main kuch bauaht hi ziada ikhlaqi buraiyan hain...even meri class main kuch pathan girls parhti hain...u know typical pathan girls....they used to tell me about themselves...they have told me several times that they dont get enuff respect from there male relatives...they r not allowed to go outside wid out burqa...they r not allowed to makeup or they cant talk to boys...look i also dont do makeup andi dont talk to boys UNNECCESSARILY but no one shud superimpose their orders on others...aur pathanon ka khud to yeh haal hai k khud bahar nikalte hain aur idhr udhar larkion ko dekhte phirte hain...in k khud k opar koi sensor nahin hain...Allah ne in k upar se tamam rules khatam kardiye hain...main ek baat bata don aap ne puri qom ki baat ki to KN jab ek qom ki baat ki jati hai to majority ko dekha jata hai...minority ko nahin...aur majority main minority bhi count hojati hai...chalen suppose kisi nation main 1000 main se 1 banda different hai to we cant count him as a whole nation...we would always say "all nation"...like west is used to say k all muslims r terrorists and yes they r correct in thinking this...q k humari nation main...muslims main chahe sare log bombs bandh k suicide bombing karne nahin chale gaye hain aur neither all r doing SO CALLED JIHAD but we r mentally n morally supporting those who r doing this(most of us)...yahan pe yeh point iss liye clear kia main ne k koi pathan ye na samjhe k i hate pathan nation...aur yeh baat main sab pathans n non pathans bhaion or behno ko batana chahti hoon k yeh jo baatein main ne ken...yeh un ki qom ki apni kuch larkion k experiences hain...main nahin janti pathan nation ko lekin un ki pathan larkion ne hi mujhe bataya
aur rahi baat confidence ki to meri kisi burqe wali alrki se frndship nahin hai siwaye un 2-3 pathan girls aur ussay bhi dosti nahin sympathy keh sakte hain...cu woh mujh se apna dukh share kar leti hain,....yeh un ka thanx hai jo unho ne mujhe iss qabil samjha mujh pe trust kia..warna burqa posh ,naqab posh,hijab wali,pardedar khwateen and ladies se mein frndship nahin karti...unko dekh k dur bhagti hoon q k mujhe un se ek repulsion hoti hai aur uss ki wajah mera in burqe walion k baray main jo experience ahi woh accha nahin hai...main ne iss BURQE WALI MAKHLOOQ ko larkon k saath date pe jatay dekha hai,newspaper main jo khwaten sea side pe pakri jati hain aur un ki bari bari fotos lagti hain woh bhi burqe walion ki hoti hain ,ek baar net cafes pe ek feature aaya tha k janab yahan pe kuch gherikhlaqi harkat hoti hain to GEO ki uss documentry main tamam burqe walian then hidden cameras se banai hui thi (im not talking about all so plz no offence...hosakta hai kuch acchi bhi hoon) lekin kehne ka matlab hai main in se dar gayi hoon..kabhi 4 aurton main larai horahi hoo uss main aage barh barh k haath hila hila k jo aurat sub se ziada laray gi aur shout kare gi woh bhi burqe wali hogi ....ek to yeh harkaten uss pe agar kisi burqe wali k pass beth jao to nasehat...aap burqa karlen aap ka rang kala hojaye ga...aap ki skin dry hojaye gi cold weather hai...aray bhai koi in se pocho tum burqa apne HUSN ki hifazat k liye karrahi ho?aur agar kisi dosre maqsad se bhi karrahi ho to dosron ko bolne ki kia zaroorat hai...ab agar main bolon k tum apna burqa utar do,larkon k saath mat ghoomo to kia tum meri baat mano gi?kabhi nahin ....tumhe kaise pata tum sahi ho main ghalat hoon?tumhara islam MULLA ka islam hai...kher main kahan se kahan pohanch gayi...mujhe asal main yeh kehna tha k confidence ki jahan tak baat hai to main kisi burqe wali ko nahin janti aur na kisi aisi larki ko jis ne coeducation se na parha ho siwaye pathan girls k to un ki to halat bauhat hi kharab hai ab woh medical education main aagayen hain to....woh larkon ko dekh k pagal hojati hain like agar koi larka samne se aarha ho to woh peechay k raste se cut mar k nikal jati hain...agar koi male teacher kuch sawal pochay to javab nahin de paten bauaht ziada hesitate hoti hain...jab humari project groupings hoti hain...to woh larkian gp k larkon k saath bilkul interact nahin kar paten...ab mujhe to yehi pata tha iss liye kaha tha...anywayzz....
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Dec 30 2006, 04:47 AM)
bah zaahir aap ki baat maiN baRa wazan hai ... co-education k aur bhi bahoot say fawaaid haiN ... lekin iskay nuqsaanaat bhi haiN.... jaisay quran kahta hai aur accept karta hai k sharaab maiN faaidah bhi hai lekin chouNkay iskay nuqsaanaat, faaiday say zeyadaah hai, lehaza yeh HARAM / mana hai.
issi tarah (aik muslim k liyeh, non muslim k liyeh naheeN) co-education maiN faidah kam hai aur nuqsaanaa (deeni o dunyawi dounouN) zeyadaah hai.... co-education system maiN hamaiN bahoot see islami taleemat ki nafi karni paRti hai. lekin agar hum islam ko aik taraf rakh daiN to phir to hum amerika europe ki tarah co-education system say bahoot say faaiday hasil karsaktay haiN....
issi tarah (aik muslim k liyeh, non muslim k liyeh naheeN) co-education maiN faidah kam hai aur nuqsaanaa (deeni o dunyawi dounouN) zeyadaah hai.... co-education system maiN hamaiN bahoot see islami taleemat ki nafi karni paRti hai. lekin agar hum islam ko aik taraf rakh daiN to phir to hum amerika europe ki tarah co-education system say bahoot say faaiday hasil karsaktay haiN....
Main ap ki iss baat per 100% agree kartii hoon k wine wagera haram kyun hain... lekin iss baat per 101% disagree kartii hoon k co-education main masail ziada hain....
as far as i knw... n am sure alotta ppl wud agree on this too... jab aik larka ya larki same gendr school main parh rahe hote hain too onhain opposite gendr k bare main jaane ka shidat se shok hota hai.... larke chup chup kar larkioon k school main a jate hain ( is this wat u call the benefits of same gendr schools?) aur larkiaan bhi aissi cheezoon k intazaar main parhaii side per rakh daitii hain....... End results hote hain embarassing marks.. aksar loog fail bhi hote hian..!!!
Whereas, in co-education..... IT IS TRUE that galz n guyz hav to work together lekin iss terhaan woo shok khatam ho jata hai MAJORITY ka k na-jaane humare oppsite gendr walle kaisse hain aur kya karte hain..... ziada tar marks bhi inhii co-education schoolz k hi ache hote hain... aur mahool ka farq yaqeenan har kissi per hota hai lekin jo loog mahool k rang main rang jaate hain woo phir wapas nahien atte aur jo iss rang main rang kar bhi apne ap ko sambhal kar rakhte hain woo kabhi kharab nahien hote.... yahan per mujhe apni aik dost ki baat yaad a rahi hai jo aik pathan hai aur oss ne hamesha se hi galz college main parha hai, parda bhi karti hai... KABHI BHI kissi larke se baat nahine ki... namaz parhtii hai aur sab kuch acha kartii hai... BUT she ran away from her house with a guy she met at a tailers shop... sirf 2 ya 4 baar mushkil se mulaqat hoii aur on logoon ne gher se bhaag ker shaadi kar li.... is this the benefit that u were talking about????? meri yeh dost karachi main hoti hain n myself, being in Canada, hav neva done or thought of nythin that wud, in any way, embarass my parents.... aur main ne hamesha se co-education main parhaa hai..!!
Ap her baat main deen-o-duniya ko state karte hain... ap Qur'an ki koi aissi ayat bata dein jis main co-education k khilaaf kuch kaha gaya ho... ya koi aur book...
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Dec 31 2006, 04:01 AM)
it means k insaan k bigaRnay / saNwarnay maiN 'maahaul' ka koi kirdaar naheeN hota .... hmmmmmmmm debatable khayaal hai....
Mahool main insaan hi banata hai aur os me bigarne ya savarne ka margin bhi insaan hi banata hai
QUOTE(sohni_kudi @ Jan 4 2007, 09:31 PM)
pathan qom ka keh k mera maqsad kisi ki dil azari nahin tha...even pathans khud mante hain k un main kuch bauaht hi ziada ikhlaqi buraiyan hain...even meri class main kuch pathan girls parhti hain...u know typical pathan girls....they used to tell me about themselves...they have told me several times that they dont get enuff respect from there male relatives...they r not allowed to go outside wid out burqa...they r not allowed to makeup or they cant talk to boys...look i also dont do makeup andi dont talk to boys UNNECCESSARILY but no one shud superimpose their orders on others...aur pathanon ka khud to yeh haal hai k khud bahar nikalte hain aur idhr udhar larkion ko dekhte phirte hain...in k khud k opar koi sensor nahin hain...Allah ne in k upar se tamam rules khatam kardiye hain...main ek baat bata don aap ne puri qom ki baat ki to KN jab ek qom ki baat ki jati hai to majority ko dekha jata hai...minority ko nahin...aur majority main minority bhi count hojati hai...chalen suppose kisi nation main 1000 main se 1 banda different hai to we cant count him as a whole nation...we would always say "all nation"...like west is used to say k all muslims r terrorists and yes they r correct in thinking this...q k humari nation main...muslims main chahe sare log bombs bandh k suicide bombing karne nahin chale gaye hain aur neither all r doing SO CALLED JIHAD but we r mentally n morally supporting those who r doing this(most of us)...yahan pe yeh point iss liye clear kia main ne k koi pathan ye na samjhe k i hate pathan nation...aur yeh baat main sab pathans n non pathans bhaion or behno ko batana chahti hoon k yeh jo baatein main ne ken...yeh un ki qom ki apni kuch larkion k experiences hain...main nahin janti pathan nation ko lekin un ki pathan larkion ne hi mujhe bataya
aur rahi baat confidence ki to meri kisi burqe wali alrki se frndship nahin hai siwaye un 2-3 pathan girls aur ussay bhi dosti nahin sympathy keh sakte hain...cu woh mujh se apna dukh share kar leti hain,....yeh un ka thanx hai jo unho ne mujhe iss qabil samjha mujh pe trust kia..warna burqa posh ,naqab posh,hijab wali,pardedar khwateen and ladies se mein frndship nahin karti...unko dekh k dur bhagti hoon q k mujhe un se ek repulsion hoti hai aur uss ki wajah mera in burqe walion k baray main jo experience ahi woh accha nahin hai...main ne iss BURQE WALI MAKHLOOQ ko larkon k saath date pe jatay dekha hai,newspaper main jo khwaten sea side pe pakri jati hain aur un ki bari bari fotos lagti hain woh bhi burqe walion ki hoti hain ,ek baar net cafes pe ek feature aaya tha k janab yahan pe kuch gherikhlaqi harkat hoti hain to GEO ki uss documentry main tamam burqe walian then hidden cameras se banai hui thi (im not talking about all so plz no offence...hosakta hai kuch acchi bhi hoon) lekin kehne ka matlab hai main in se dar gayi hoon..kabhi 4 aurton main larai horahi hoo uss main aage barh barh k haath hila hila k jo aurat sub se ziada laray gi aur shout kare gi woh bhi burqe wali hogi ....ek to yeh harkaten uss pe agar kisi burqe wali k pass beth jao to nasehat...aap burqa karlen aap ka rang kala hojaye ga...aap ki skin dry hojaye gi cold weather hai...aray bhai koi in se pocho tum burqa apne HUSN ki hifazat k liye karrahi ho?aur agar kisi dosre maqsad se bhi karrahi ho to dosron ko bolne ki kia zaroorat hai...ab agar main bolon k tum apna burqa utar do,larkon k saath mat ghoomo to kia tum meri baat mano gi?kabhi nahin ....tumhe kaise pata tum sahi ho main ghalat hoon?tumhara islam MULLA ka islam hai...kher main kahan se kahan pohanch gayi...mujhe asal main yeh kehna tha k confidence ki jahan tak baat hai to main kisi burqe wali ko nahin janti aur na kisi aisi larki ko jis ne coeducation se na parha ho siwaye pathan girls k to un ki to halat bauhat hi kharab hai ab woh medical education main aagayen hain to....woh larkon ko dekh k pagal hojati hain like agar koi larka samne se aarha ho to woh peechay k raste se cut mar k nikal jati hain...agar koi male teacher kuch sawal pochay to javab nahin de paten bauaht ziada hesitate hoti hain...jab humari project groupings hoti hain...to woh larkian gp k larkon k saath bilkul interact nahin kar paten...ab mujhe to yehi pata tha iss liye kaha tha...anywayzz....
aur rahi baat confidence ki to meri kisi burqe wali alrki se frndship nahin hai siwaye un 2-3 pathan girls aur ussay bhi dosti nahin sympathy keh sakte hain...cu woh mujh se apna dukh share kar leti hain,....yeh un ka thanx hai jo unho ne mujhe iss qabil samjha mujh pe trust kia..warna burqa posh ,naqab posh,hijab wali,pardedar khwateen and ladies se mein frndship nahin karti...unko dekh k dur bhagti hoon q k mujhe un se ek repulsion hoti hai aur uss ki wajah mera in burqe walion k baray main jo experience ahi woh accha nahin hai...main ne iss BURQE WALI MAKHLOOQ ko larkon k saath date pe jatay dekha hai,newspaper main jo khwaten sea side pe pakri jati hain aur un ki bari bari fotos lagti hain woh bhi burqe walion ki hoti hain ,ek baar net cafes pe ek feature aaya tha k janab yahan pe kuch gherikhlaqi harkat hoti hain to GEO ki uss documentry main tamam burqe walian then hidden cameras se banai hui thi (im not talking about all so plz no offence...hosakta hai kuch acchi bhi hoon) lekin kehne ka matlab hai main in se dar gayi hoon..kabhi 4 aurton main larai horahi hoo uss main aage barh barh k haath hila hila k jo aurat sub se ziada laray gi aur shout kare gi woh bhi burqe wali hogi ....ek to yeh harkaten uss pe agar kisi burqe wali k pass beth jao to nasehat...aap burqa karlen aap ka rang kala hojaye ga...aap ki skin dry hojaye gi cold weather hai...aray bhai koi in se pocho tum burqa apne HUSN ki hifazat k liye karrahi ho?aur agar kisi dosre maqsad se bhi karrahi ho to dosron ko bolne ki kia zaroorat hai...ab agar main bolon k tum apna burqa utar do,larkon k saath mat ghoomo to kia tum meri baat mano gi?kabhi nahin ....tumhe kaise pata tum sahi ho main ghalat hoon?tumhara islam MULLA ka islam hai...kher main kahan se kahan pohanch gayi...mujhe asal main yeh kehna tha k confidence ki jahan tak baat hai to main kisi burqe wali ko nahin janti aur na kisi aisi larki ko jis ne coeducation se na parha ho siwaye pathan girls k to un ki to halat bauhat hi kharab hai ab woh medical education main aagayen hain to....woh larkon ko dekh k pagal hojati hain like agar koi larka samne se aarha ho to woh peechay k raste se cut mar k nikal jati hain...agar koi male teacher kuch sawal pochay to javab nahin de paten bauaht ziada hesitate hoti hain...jab humari project groupings hoti hain...to woh larkian gp k larkon k saath bilkul interact nahin kar paten...ab mujhe to yehi pata tha iss liye kaha tha...anywayzz....
app ki parday walon kay baray main jo remarks hain un kay baray main kia kaha ja sakta hay. jaysa kay main nay pehlay bataya hay kay kharabi insan main hoti hay parday main nahi tu bar bar yeah kehna kay parday waliyiain yeah karti hain woh karti hain tu yeah dunyavi or islami dono atebar say ghalat hay.
QUOTE(KHAL NAYAK @ Jan 5 2007, 02:18 PM)
app ki parday walon kay baray main jo remarks hain un kay baray main kia kaha ja sakta hay. jaysa kay main nay pehlay bataya hay kay kharabi insan main hoti hay parday main nahi tu bar bar yeah kehna kay parday waliyiain yeah karti hain woh karti hain tu yeah dunyavi or islami dono atebar say ghalat hay.
lekin un ki in harkaton se aurton ki tazleel hoti hai...iss liye mujhe bura lagta hai q k main khud bhi ek larki hoon...aur parday kar k yeh harkaten kar k yeh log sub aurton ki tazleel karti hain...main manti hoon k mujhe aisa nahin kehna chahiye ...ur answer shud be DIPLOMATIC N POLITICALY CORRECT
lekin kia karon jab dil dukhta hai to phir insan k dil ki baat zaban pe aajati hai aur yaqeen maniye mujhe in larkion ko dekh k dukh hota hai
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Dec 31 2006, 09:01 AM)
it means k insaan k bigaRnay / saNwarnay maiN 'maahaul' ka koi kirdaar naheeN hota .... hmmmmmmmm debatable khayaal hai....
Is per bhi start karlain aik debate
Waise topic se kaafi batain samney aayin.... Well done all
QUOTE(seemaf @ Jan 6 2007, 04:57 PM)
Is per bhi start karlain aik debate
Waise topic se kaafi batain samney aayin.... Well done all
Waise topic se kaafi batain samney aayin.... Well done all
yeh baat maiN nay mahaz tanzan kahi thee
wali k ghar shaitaan aur shaitan k ghar wali ka paida hona to sab hi jaantay haiN k exceptions maiN say hai ... achchay maahaul say log sanwartay haiN aur kharab maahaul say log bigaRtay haiN .... iss maiN 2 roy to kabhi ho hi naheeN sakti....albatta aisay log jo boray maahaul / environment ki bawajooh hemayat karnay par 'majboor' hotay haiN wohi yeh baat karatay haiN k ... mahaul khaah kaisa hi kiyouN nah ho, insaan agar khud achcha hai to woh achcha hi rahta hai ...
bhai kharaab maahaul / environment maiN insaan to kuja phool pauday bhi apnay achchay rung o boo say mahroom hojatay haiN ... haiwaanaat o plants par hi kia mauqoof, bay jaan concrete path.thar bhi kharaab environment maiN apni original quality zaya kar baiTh ay hain ... aaj dunya bhar maiN jo save environment ki mohim chali howee hai ... to kia kharaab environment say sirf animal, plants aur bay jaan cheezouN ko bachana chahiyeh.... insaan ko naheeN.
issi HC ki misaal lay laiN ... agar (khoda nah khaastah) yahaaN ka maahaul kharaab honay lagay to log iss "wajah" say khamosh rahengay k jo achcha hai woh kharaab HC k mahaul maiN bhi achcha hi rahega. so don't worry abt that.....
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Jan 7 2007, 08:37 AM)
yeh baat maiN nay mahaz tanzan kahi thee wali k ghar shaitaan aur shaitan k ghar wali ka paida hona to sab hi jaantay haiN k exceptions maiN say hai ... achchay maahaul say log sanwartay haiN aur kharab maahaul say log bigaRtay haiN .... iss maiN 2 roy to kabhi ho hi naheeN sakti....
albatta aisay log jo boray maahaul / environment ki bawajooh hemayat karnay par 'majboor' hotay haiN wohi yeh baat karatay haiN k ... mahaul khaah kaisa hi kiyouN nah ho, insaan agar khud achcha hai to woh achcha hi rahta hai ...
bhai kharaab maahaul / environment maiN insaan to kuja phool pauday bhi apnay achchay rung o boo say mahroom hojatay haiN ... haiwaanaat o plants par hi kia mauqoof, bay jaan concrete path.thar bhi kharaab environment maiN apni original quality zaya kar baiTh ay hain ... aaj dunya bhar maiN jo save environment ki mohim chali howee hai ... to kia kharaab environment say sirf animal, plants aur bay jaan cheezouN ko bachana chahiyeh.... insaan ko naheeN.
issi HC ki misaal lay laiN ... agar (khoda nah khaastah) yahaaN ka maahaul kharaab honay lagay to log iss "wajah" say khamosh rahengay k jo achcha hai woh kharaab HC k mahaul maiN bhi achcha hi rahega. so don't worry abt that.....
wali k ghar shaitaan aur shaitan k ghar wali ka paida hona to sab hi jaantay haiN k exceptions maiN say hai ... achchay maahaul say log sanwartay haiN aur kharab maahaul say log bigaRtay haiN .... iss maiN 2 roy to kabhi ho hi naheeN sakti....albatta aisay log jo boray maahaul / environment ki bawajooh hemayat karnay par 'majboor' hotay haiN wohi yeh baat karatay haiN k ... mahaul khaah kaisa hi kiyouN nah ho, insaan agar khud achcha hai to woh achcha hi rahta hai ...
bhai kharaab maahaul / environment maiN insaan to kuja phool pauday bhi apnay achchay rung o boo say mahroom hojatay haiN ... haiwaanaat o plants par hi kia mauqoof, bay jaan concrete path.thar bhi kharaab environment maiN apni original quality zaya kar baiTh ay hain ... aaj dunya bhar maiN jo save environment ki mohim chali howee hai ... to kia kharaab environment say sirf animal, plants aur bay jaan cheezouN ko bachana chahiyeh.... insaan ko naheeN.
issi HC ki misaal lay laiN ... agar (khoda nah khaastah) yahaaN ka maahaul kharaab honay lagay to log iss "wajah" say khamosh rahengay k jo achcha hai woh kharaab HC k mahaul maiN bhi achcha hi rahega. so don't worry abt that.....
I know ap ne TANZAN kaha tha
Yes i agree ke mahol insan ki tarbiyat main kaaafi ehmiyat rakhta hai khusoosan us age main jab woh mahol ko samajh raha hota hai... jo apne aas paas dekha hai us ko hi theek samajhta hai.
Thanks
hahahahaha...
i just read all the posts in this thread...!!!
PhEwwwWWWw!!!
that was more complex then a whole PHD research thesis, haha
girls, guys, men, women, young n old...i mean everybody; its all just about one single thing that matters the most in all of us...
some of us want to change others, some of us change ourselves because of others, always critisizing, always pointing out, always picking up things...its all USELESS...!!!
if you are yourself - you are confident - you believe in yourself - and you KNOW that what you were doing - what you are doing - and what you will do, in the future...is all RIGHT...!!!
then i guess, Co-Education, Co-Working, Male-Female Discrimination, Male-Female Domination, Social Gender Problems, and Religious Gender Bounds...
All these remain no longer ISSUES...!!!
Allah is The Most Generous & The Most Merciful, That made this planet Earth, Equally for Both Men & Women To Live, Explore, Follow, Support, Educate, Work, Interact, Enjoy, Love, and Be Thankful To His Majesty
Thats All I Believe...!!!
i just read all the posts in this thread...!!!
PhEwwwWWWw!!!
that was more complex then a whole PHD research thesis, haha
girls, guys, men, women, young n old...i mean everybody; its all just about one single thing that matters the most in all of us...
some of us want to change others, some of us change ourselves because of others, always critisizing, always pointing out, always picking up things...its all USELESS...!!!
if you are yourself - you are confident - you believe in yourself - and you KNOW that what you were doing - what you are doing - and what you will do, in the future...is all RIGHT...!!!
then i guess, Co-Education, Co-Working, Male-Female Discrimination, Male-Female Domination, Social Gender Problems, and Religious Gender Bounds...
All these remain no longer ISSUES...!!!
Allah is The Most Generous & The Most Merciful, That made this planet Earth, Equally for Both Men & Women To Live, Explore, Follow, Support, Educate, Work, Interact, Enjoy, Love, and Be Thankful To His Majesty
Thats All I Believe...!!!
QUOTE(Sharabi_Eyes @ Jan 20 2007, 03:17 AM)
hahahahaha...
i just read all the posts in this thread...!!!
PhEwwwWWWw!!!
that was more complex then a whole PHD research thesis, haha
girls, guys, men, women, young n old...i mean everybody; its all just about one single thing that matters the most in all of us...
some of us want to change others, some of us change ourselves because of others, always critisizing, always pointing out, always picking up things...its all USELESS...!!!
if you are yourself - you are confident - you believe in yourself - and you KNOW that what you were doing - what you are doing - and what you will do, in the future...is all RIGHT...!!!
then i guess, Co-Education, Co-Working, Male-Female Discrimination, Male-Female Domination, Social Gender Problems, and Religious Gender Bounds...
All these remain no longer ISSUES...!!!
Allah is The Most Generous & The Most Merciful, That made this planet Earth, Equally for Both Men & Women To Live, Explore, Follow, Support, Educate, Work, Interact, Enjoy, Love, and Be Thankful To His Majesty
Thats All I Believe...!!!
i just read all the posts in this thread...!!!
PhEwwwWWWw!!!
that was more complex then a whole PHD research thesis, haha
girls, guys, men, women, young n old...i mean everybody; its all just about one single thing that matters the most in all of us...
some of us want to change others, some of us change ourselves because of others, always critisizing, always pointing out, always picking up things...its all USELESS...!!!
if you are yourself - you are confident - you believe in yourself - and you KNOW that what you were doing - what you are doing - and what you will do, in the future...is all RIGHT...!!!
then i guess, Co-Education, Co-Working, Male-Female Discrimination, Male-Female Domination, Social Gender Problems, and Religious Gender Bounds...
All these remain no longer ISSUES...!!!
Allah is The Most Generous & The Most Merciful, That made this planet Earth, Equally for Both Men & Women To Live, Explore, Follow, Support, Educate, Work, Interact, Enjoy, Love, and Be Thankful To His Majesty
Thats All I Believe...!!!
i agree wid u...lekin un logon ko samjhana useless hai jo kuch samjhna hi nahin chahte..
QUOTE(sohni_kudi @ Jan 21 2007, 03:43 PM)
i agree wid u...lekin un logon ko samjhana useless hai jo kuch samjhna hi nahin chahte..
Hmm...theres a cute smiley that i juss thought i would use in my post at some occasion - well now, it really suits best on all those that dont AGREE
un sab ke liye
lolz yeh to musharraf police hai...aur best policy hai
hahahahaha
QUOTE(Sharabi_Eyes @ Jan 22 2007, 10:21 PM)
Hmm...theres a cute smiley that i juss thought i would use in my post at some occasion - well now, it really suits best on all those that dont AGREE
un sab ke liye
un sab ke liye
AGREED
QUOTE(tenha_saima @ Feb 15 2007, 05:50 AM)
AGREED Gracias Senorita... 
main kuch es ki favour main be hon Honi chahya or ager hum es ko posstive sence main lain,or wo ya ka it think it is really help to build up the confidence in Males and Females, lkn agr es ko Negativ sence main lain tu its Not Better
Or wasy be jo kaaam nahin kerte yan kertiin tu pher Besti ka ziada der lagta hy ka ager kaam na kia tu sub ke samnay wo ezzat hogi ke le RUB ka na, so es lia ye be perfect hey
Or wasy be jo kaaam nahin kerte yan kertiin tu pher Besti ka ziada der lagta hy ka ager kaam na kia tu sub ke samnay wo ezzat hogi ke le RUB ka na, so es lia ye be perfect hey
my vote is yes
well...........sabb bohat achey sey apney kheyalat bata rahey hein.
sabb ka apna apna point of view hota hai
yeh jo co-education k itney khilaf hein.....yeh bhi sahe hein
aur jo favour mein hein woh bhi sahi hein.
woh kia hai k........hum jo apney bachon ko detey hein.......
bachey barey ho kar wohi return kartey hein
infact mahool bohat matter karta hai.......
yahan mene kitni families dekhi hein......
jo mahool k dar sey,bachey samjhdar honey sy pehley unhin pakistan lana chahtey hein specialy larkiyun ko
sabb ka apna apna point of view hota hai
yeh jo co-education k itney khilaf hein.....yeh bhi sahe hein
aur jo favour mein hein woh bhi sahi hein.
woh kia hai k........hum jo apney bachon ko detey hein.......
bachey barey ho kar wohi return kartey hein
infact mahool bohat matter karta hai.......
yahan mene kitni families dekhi hein......
jo mahool k dar sey,bachey samjhdar honey sy pehley unhin pakistan lana chahtey hein specialy larkiyun ko
Co-Education 
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