~Saraj~
Mar 29 2007, 04:14 PM
[Though we must all try our best to understand and follow the QURAN as much as possible and it is not difficult as we have many good tafseers around Alhamdulillah. Feel that many people embrace ISLAM after knowing Quran with open-heart. Lets do so!]
An old American Muslim lived on a farm in the mountains of eastern Kentucky with his young grandson. Each morning Grandpa was up early sitting at the kitchen table reading his Qur'an. His grandson wanted to be just like him and tried to imitate him in every way he could.
One day the grandson asked, 'Grandpa! I try to read the Qur'an just like you but I don't understand it, and what I do understand I forget as soon as I close the book. What good does reading the Qur'an do?'
The Grandfather quietly turned from putting coal in the stove and replied, 'Take this coal basket down to the river and bring me back a basket of water.'
The boy did as he was told, but all the water leaked out before he got back to the house. The grandfather laughed and said, 'You'll have to move a little faster next time,' and sent him back to the river with the basket to try again. This time the boy ran faster, but again the basket was empty before he returned home. Out of breath, he told his grandfather that it was impossible to carry water in a basket, and he went to get a bucket instead. The old man said, 'I don't want a bucket of water; I want a basket of water. You're just not trying hard enough,’ and he went out the door to watch the boy try again.
At this point, the boy knew it was impossible, but he wanted to show his grandfather that even if he ran as fast as he could, the water would leak out before he got back to the house.
The boy again dipped the basket into river and ran hard, but when he reached his grandfather the basket was again empty. Out of breath, he said, 'See Grandpa, it's useless!'
'So you think it is useless?' The old man said, 'Look at the basket.'
The boy looked at the basket and for the first time realized that the basket was different. It had been transformed from a dirty old coal basket and was now clean, inside and out.
'Son, that's what happens when you read the Qur'an. You might not understand or remember everything, but when you read it, you will be changed, inside and out. That is the work of Allah in our lives.'
~Saraj~
Mar 30 2007, 01:31 PM
QUOTE(Kamli @ Mar 29 2007, 04:33 PM) [snapback]2267014[/snapback]
Jeetay Raho Aur Aisi Achi Achi Posts Kartay Raho.
~Saraj~
Mar 30 2007, 01:33 PM
khan_amer
Mar 30 2007, 01:42 PM
meray khayal say maiN nay above post ko original format maiN kaheeN paRha hay? i dont remember exactly where, may be on forums or in any email.
eak dosri baat ju yeh kahani paR ker zehan maiN ayee hay woh yeh keh, Quran paRhnay say agr koy musebat Tal saktee, ya qomooN ko arooj.o.zawal ka faisla ho sakta ya afraad key islaah hotee tu Aaj muslim mumalik ka yeh haal na hota.
agr koy Windows ka pura manual paRh Dalay, aur usr amal na karay, tu i very much doubt kay ussay uss manual kay paRhnay ka koy bhi faida hoga... on the other hand agr Iss manual per amal kiya jaye yani uss maiN dee gayee direction kay mutabiq kaam kya jaye tu tu very rarely is the chance kay windows crash ho..
Quran bhi Insaan ka Operation Manual hay, issay paRh ker amal na kernay say koy faida b'her'haal nahi hay...
Baqool Iqbal
Adl hai faatir-e-hasti ka azal se dastur,
Muslim aaeen hua kafir tau mile hur-o-qasur;
inshort
amal say hay janat bhi jahanum bhi
yeh khaki apni fitrat maiN noori hay na naari
~Saraj~
Mar 30 2007, 02:42 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Mar 30 2007, 01:42 PM) [snapback]2268135[/snapback]
meray khayal say maiN nay above post ko original format maiN kaheeN paRha hay? i dont remember exactly where, may be on forums or in any email.
eak dosri baat ju yeh kahani paR ker zehan maiN ayee hay woh yeh keh, Quran paRhnay say agr koy musebat Tal saktee, ya qomooN ko arooj.o.zawal ka faisla ho sakta ya afraad key islaah hotee tu Aaj muslim mumalik ka yeh haal na hota.
agr koy Windows ka pura manual paRh Dalay, aur usr amal na karay, tu i very much doubt kay ussay uss manual kay paRhnay ka koy bhi faida hoga... on the other hand agr Iss manual per amal kiya jaye yani uss maiN dee gayee direction kay mutabiq kaam kya jaye tu tu very rarely is the chance kay windows crash ho..
Quran bhi Insaan ka Operation Manual hay, issay paRh ker amal na kernay say koy faida b'her'haal nahi hay...
Baqool Iqbal
Adl hai faatir-e-hasti ka azal se dastur,
Muslim aaeen hua kafir tau mile hur-o-qasur;
inshort
amal say hay janat bhi jahanum bhi
yeh khaki apni fitrat maiN noori hay na naari
I am 100 % agreed with you Amer
. Quran-o-Sunnat per amal kerna ham per farz hey aur Quran-o-Sunnat per amal kerney ke liey uska samjhna bohat zarori hey Allah Hameyn Quran Shareef perhna aur perh ker ussey samjhne ki aur amal kerney tofeq ata ferma'ey.Ameen
Yeh post to ek simple sa jawab tha un logon ke liey jo Quran ko sirf isliey naheen perhtey key hamen Arabi zuban aati to heyn naheen isliey Quran perhne ka kya fa'ida..I hope ke I clear my point of view
khan_amer
Mar 30 2007, 03:04 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Mar 30 2007, 12:42 PM) [snapback]2268262[/snapback]
I am 100 % agreed with you Amer
. Quran-o-Sunnat per amal kerna ham per farz hey aur Quran-o-Sunnat per amal kerney ke liey uska samjhna bohat zarori hey Allah Hameyn Quran Shareef perhna aur perh ker ussey samjhne ki aur amal kerney tofeq ata ferma'ey.Ameen
Yeh post to ek simple sa jawab tha un logon ke liey jo Quran ko sirf isliey naheen perhtey key hamen Arabi zuban aati to heyn naheen isliey Quran perhne ka kya fa'ida..I hope ke I clear my point of view
Agr maiN Quantum Physics key kitaab kisi 10th grade kay student ko day dooN.. aur woh ussay rozana paRhay.. din maiN 5-5 baar paRhay tu kya iss taraah Quantum Physics ussay aa jaye gee.. OFCOURSE NOT!
iss kay liya ussay sab say pehlay Physics key zuban seekhni hogee, Physics key basic aayaiN gee tu woh Beyoun Physics ko paRh ker samajh sakay ga...
Same Applies to Quran, Jab Arabic say shud'bud hasil na hogee... Quran kay Mai'nay aur intentions ka pata nahi hoga.. tab tak Quran paRhnay walay ka koy bhala na hoga...
App Illama iqbal kay iss Misray per ghor karaiN
Muslim aaeen hua kafir tau mile hur-o-qasur;
issi maiN aaj kay zamanay key total summaty mojood hay!!!
~Saraj~
Mar 30 2007, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Mar 30 2007, 03:04 PM) [snapback]2268322[/snapback]
Agr maiN Quantum Physics key kitaab kisi 10th grade kay student ko day dooN.. aur woh ussay rozana paRhay.. din maiN 5-5 baar paRhay tu kya iss taraah Quantum Physics ussay aa jaye gee.. OFCOURSE NOT!
iss kay liya ussay sab say pehlay Physics key zuban seekhni hogee, Physics key basic aayaiN gee tu woh Beyoun Physics ko paRh ker samajh sakay ga...
Same Applies to Quran, Jab Arabic say shud'bud hasil na hogee... Quran kay Mai'nay aur intentions ka pata nahi hoga.. tab tak Quran paRhnay walay ka koy bhala na hoga...
App Illama iqbal kay iss Misray per ghor karaiN
Muslim aaeen hua kafir tau mile hur-o-qasur;
issi maiN aaj kay zamanay key total summaty mojood hay!!!
Khan Amer
ek simple Qs...
"Yes " ya "No" meyn jawab deyn..
Kya aap ki nazer meyn Quran Shareef ka Arbi zuban samjhey bagher perhna munasib hey ?
If your answer is "No" then we discuss this matter otherwise both have same point of view.
khan_amer
Mar 30 2007, 04:34 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Mar 30 2007, 02:12 PM) [snapback]2268440[/snapback]
Khan Amer
ek simple Qs...
"Yes " ya "No" meyn jawab deyn..
Kya aap ki nazer meyn Quran Shareef ka Arbi zuban samjhey bagher perhna munasib hey ?
If your answer is "No" then we discuss this matter otherwise both have same point of view. No
~Saraj~
Mar 31 2007, 10:12 AM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Mar 30 2007, 04:34 PM) [snapback]2268466[/snapback]
No

Okay ...but my Ans is YES
khan_amer
Apr 1 2007, 11:39 AM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Mar 31 2007, 08:12 AM) [snapback]2269259[/snapback]
Okay ...but my Ans is YES
hamara Educational system bhi tu aisa hi hay, chand sawalaat ko rT loo and u r through, chahay kuch aata ho ya na ho, issi lya tu Pakistani degree holders ya Degrees key bairoon-e-mulk ko value nahi hay, bairoon.e.mulk to door key baad mulk kay ander bhi achi companies maiN degree ko nahi, KNOWLEDGE or EXPERIENCE ko daikhtay haiN... anyways have u ever wonder kay foreign University graduates ko Pakistani University graduates per tarjeeh kyoN dee jatee hay?
agr app nay above ka jawab diya tu agay chalaiN gay, otherwise no point in discussing it.
~Saraj~
Apr 2 2007, 10:28 AM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 1 2007, 11:39 AM) [snapback]2269990[/snapback]
hamara Educational system bhi tu aisa hi hay, chand sawalaat ko rT loo and u r through, chahay kuch aata ho ya na ho, issi lya tu Pakistani degree holders ya Degrees key bairoon-e-mulk ko value nahi hay, bairoon.e.mulk to door key baad mulk kay ander bhi achi companies maiN degree ko nahi, KNOWLEDGE or EXPERIENCE ko daikhtay haiN... anyways have u ever wonder kay foreign University graduates ko Pakistani University graduates per tarjeeh kyoN dee jatee hay?
agr app nay above ka jawab diya tu agay chalaiN gay, otherwise no point in discussing it.
Its a debateable discussion and we will discuss over it with the consent of Admin.
I think this topic would be required a very matured and sensible replies.
Thanks
khan_amer
Apr 2 2007, 10:39 AM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 2 2007, 08:28 AM) [snapback]2270562[/snapback]
Its a debateable discussion and we will discuss over it with the consent of Admin.
I think this topic would be required a very matured and sensible replies.
Thanks
Is Admin of HC is against such kind of discussion? or u are suggesting that we should take approval from admin to discuss matters?
Strange...
Hanibal
Apr 2 2007, 10:54 AM
Nice Discussion,
Khan Amer bhai, with due respect i dont agree with your point of view. my understanding is that one should read quran with tafsir and translation.
I 'll be really interested to see what Mr.Siraj have to say once he gets the permission to post in this topic.
~Saraj~
Apr 2 2007, 11:34 AM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 2 2007, 10:39 AM) [snapback]2270570[/snapback]
Is Admin of HC is against such kind of discussion? or u are suggesting that we should take approval from admin to discuss matters?
Strange...
Khan Amer
meyn shayed aap ko apni baat saheh trah bata naheen saka..derasal yeh topic bohat has'sas noyet ka hey isliey issey iss section meyn discuss kerna munasib naheen samjhta ......dosra meyn bhi shyaed next week se out of city honga to isliey abhi koi dosri post ya iss topic per discuss /reply properly naheen ker sakon.
Mera naheen khyal ke HC Admin ko koi etraz hoga iss discussion per aur Inshallah yeh discussion "Islam Section " per ek polling ke sath post start karen gey takey ser hasil guftago ho sakey aur meyn chahon ga ke sab sanjeda aur ilm waley log iss discussion meyn hissa leyn.Hope now I clear my point.
~Saraj~
Apr 2 2007, 11:36 AM
QUOTE(Hanibal @ Apr 2 2007, 10:54 AM) [snapback]2270591[/snapback]
Nice Discussion,
Khan Amer bhai, with due respect i dont agree with your point of view. my understanding is that one should read quran with tafsir and translation.
I 'll be really interested to see what Mr.Siraj have to say once he gets the permission to post in this topic.
Pls check my last reply to Khan Amer 
Ager aap iss discussion ko yaheen jari rakhna chaheyn to mughey koi etraz naheen.
Thanks
khan_amer
Apr 2 2007, 12:06 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 2 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]2270636[/snapback]
Khan Amer
meyn shayed aap ko apni baat saheh trah bata naheen saka..derasal yeh topic bohat has'sas noyet ka hey isliey issey iss section meyn discuss kerna munasib naheen samjhta ......dosra meyn bhi shyaed next week se out of city honga to isliey abhi koi dosri post ya iss topic per discuss /reply properly naheen ker sakon.
Mera naheen khyal ke HC Admin ko koi etraz hoga iss discussion per aur Inshallah yeh discussion "Islam Section " per ek polling ke sath post start karen gey takey ser hasil guftago ho sakey aur meyn chahon ga ke sab sanjeda aur ilm waley log iss discussion meyn hissa leyn.Hope now I clear my point. In that case yeh post shoroo he wahaaN per kerni chahiyee thee... anyway do what ever u like
*DhanaK*
Apr 2 2007, 12:13 PM
salaams
yeh Qur'an ka hi mo'jiza hai ke aapke saamne sirf arbi text ho use hi parhkar ek baatini aur oohaani sukoon aur cleanliness ka ehsaas hota hai.
waise ofcourse tarjume ke saath padhna chahiye,paigham to tab hi samajhh mein aayega.
~Saraj~
Apr 2 2007, 12:17 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 2 2007, 12:06 PM) [snapback]2270671[/snapback]
In that case yeh post shoroo he wahaaN per kerni chahiyee thee... anyway do what ever u like

Islam section meyn merey jesey non serious members ki post kya maani.....
Meyn to Islam section meyn sirf kuch sekhne ke liey hi aat hoon ....
Any way Boss Thanks
~Saraj~
Apr 2 2007, 12:20 PM
QUOTE(shafaq @ Apr 2 2007, 12:13 PM) [snapback]2270688[/snapback]
salaams
yeh Qur'an ka hi mo'jiza hai ke aapke saamne sirf arbi text ho use hi parhkar ek baatini aur oohaani sukoon aur cleanliness ka ehsaas hota hai.
waise ofcourse tarjume ke saath padhna chahiye,paigham to tab hi samajhh mein aayega.
Shafaq
aap ne bilkul saheh kaha. Allah hum sab ko Quran tafseer ke sath perhne aur usper amal kerne ki koshish ata fermaey.Ameen
~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 09:45 AM
QUOTE(ajnabi friend @ Apr 2 2007, 10:46 PM) [snapback]2271215[/snapback]
bohat ache sir.is post ne bohat si maloomat di thanx allot. 
Good & Thanks
KnOwN_StRaNgEr
Apr 3 2007, 10:07 AM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Mar 29 2007, 04:14 PM) [snapback]2266983[/snapback]
Bohat achi post ki hai apne 
well mere khayal mai agar Quran-e-pak ko tarjama kay sath parha or phir samja jaye to its better or jaisa kay kaha gaya hai kay quran k aik aik harf perhne kay badlya mai daas naikiyan mitli hain to infact dis is wat in real means if u do understand wat u r reading otherwise Arabic to hamari na motherlanguage hai kay hum usay easy go through ker sakain jo hum read ker rehay hain is liye mai to iss bat per belive rekhta hon kay quran-e-pak ko tarjama kay sath parha jaye to usay sahi meaning mai samja jaye otherwise sirf arabi parna even if v don't know the meaning wat v r reading to iss ka koi faida nahi
~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 10:26 AM
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KnOwN_StRaNgEr
Apr 3 2007, 10:36 AM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 3 2007, 10:26 AM) [snapback]2271496[/snapback]
Ok ....same thought as Khan Amer has....
lets make a poll regarding this topic in polling section Sure
Hanibal
Apr 3 2007, 12:41 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 2 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]2270638[/snapback]
Pls check my last reply to Khan Amer 
Ager aap iss discussion ko yaheen jari rakhna chaheyn to mughey koi etraz naheen.
Thanks 
Iam sorry, i thought u have posted for discussion but now i understood that u posted it for jazakallah and nice sharing kind of responces.
Nice Sharing
~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 12:59 PM
QUOTE(Hanibal @ Apr 3 2007, 12:41 PM) [snapback]2271635[/snapback]
Iam sorry, i thought u have posted for discussion but now i understood that u posted it for jazakallah and nice sharing kind of responces.
Nice Sharing
No dear its ok:rose: no need to say sorry.FYI this topic has been make a seprate polling in polling section.
Thanks
~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 01:52 PM
These topic is posted as a poll in polling section
Pls click here at given link or visit in Polling section.
http://www.hulchul.net/HC/index.php?showtopic=122744
Thanks
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