~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 01:29 PM
Though we must all try our best to understand and follow the QURAN as much as possible and it is not difficult as we have many good tafseers around Alhamdulillah. Feel that many people embrace ISLAM after knowing Quran with open-heart. Lets do so!
~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 01:31 PM
Tilaawat.e.Quran, chahe usse samjha jaaey ya nahi, zaroori hai.
KamlaJatt
Apr 3 2007, 01:36 PM
Tilawat-e-Quran karni chahiyeh
Samajhna bhi zaroori haiy ...
laikin samajh naa aayeh tab bhi tilawat karni chahiyeh
Khalish
Apr 3 2007, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 3 2007, 11:31 AM)

Tilaawat.e.Quran, chahe usse samjha jaaey ya nahi, zaroori hai.
Right 
~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 02:00 PM
QUOTE(KamlaJatt @ Apr 3 2007, 01:36 PM)

Tilawat-e-Quran karni chahiyeh
Samajhna bhi zaroori haiy ...
laikin samajh naa aayeh tab bhi tilawat karni chahiyeh
Thanks for comments & polling. 
Mera bhi point of view yeh hi hey key telawat-e-Quran Shareef zaror kerni chahiey beshak aap ko shurru meyn samjah aaye ya na aaye aap telwat zaror karen.aur phir dekhiey Allah Ta'ala kistrah aap ke dil meyn noor bher dey ga aau aap khud ba khud tarjumey aur Tafseer ke sath Quran Shareef ko samjhne ki koshish kerney lageyn gey.
Lakin sirf iss wajah sey Quran Shareef ki telwat na ki jaey ke samjh meyn naheen aata ya Arabi zuban naheen aati merey khyal meyn munasib baat naheen hey.
KnOwN_StRaNgEr
Apr 3 2007, 02:06 PM
Voted...
Tilawat.e.Quran ke liye zaroori hai keh usse tarjume ke saath samjha bhi jaaey? 
khan_amer
Apr 3 2007, 02:57 PM
Number of votes is more than votes casted why is that???
khan_amer
Apr 3 2007, 03:01 PM
kyoN kay Siraj bhai nay RADIO BUTTONS key jagah CHECK BOXEs use kya haiN
SmiLe_PoiNt
Apr 3 2007, 03:09 PM
i Go with the Option numbr ONE, Tilawat.e.Quran ke liye zaroori hai keh usse tarjume ke saath samjha bhi jaaey
jado
Apr 3 2007, 03:55 PM
as salaam alaikum
we should read the quran-e-shareef with understandable translation.!
~Saraj~
Apr 3 2007, 04:26 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 3 2007, 03:01 PM)

kyoN kay Siraj bhai nay RADIO BUTTONS key jagah CHECK BOXEs use kya haiN
Dear Admin 
Pls make corretion as Khan Amer
pointed out.
Thanks
Mrs.KnOwN_StRaNgEr
Apr 3 2007, 04:49 PM
Tilaawat e Quraan Zaroori Hai.
Tarjuma Bhi Samjhna Chahiay Lakin Agar Aisa Nahi Hai To Quran Ki Tilaawat Phir B Zaroori Hai.
khan_amer
Apr 3 2007, 05:10 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 3 2007, 02:26 PM)

Dear Admin 
Pls make corretion as Khan Amer
pointed out.
Thanks Cannot be done, u have to start the poll again
sukaina
Apr 3 2007, 09:22 PM
TILAWET-E-QURAAN zruri hy. chahy terjuma or tefseer na ati ho. but hmain is baat ko ignore bhi nhin krna chahiye k QURAN PAK ki taleemat ko smjhny k liye terjuma or tefseer ka janena boht zruri hy. but yeh hr aik k liye possible nhin.so is ka yeh mtlb nhin k hum tilawet hi chor dain.but koshish yehi honi chahiye k smjh kr bhi perhain.or uss per amel bhi krain.
sahera
Apr 4 2007, 02:35 PM
HUm rewaji musalmaan jo tehray.....isliye aik 2 ruku ki tilawat kar kay samjhtay hien apnay farz pora kar liye.......magar sawal sab se pehlay yeh uthta hay wot the word tilawat means?
pehlay is lafz ka matalab janay phir agay baat kartay hien.
KnOwN_StRaNgEr
Apr 4 2007, 02:48 PM
QUOTE(sahera @ Apr 4 2007, 02:35 PM)

HUm rewaji musalmaan jo tehray.....isliye aik 2 ruku ki tilawat kar kay samjhtay hien apnay farz pora kar liye.......magar sawal sab se pehlay yeh uthta hay wot the word tilawat means?
pehlay is lafz ka matalab janay phir agay baat kartay hien.
good point
"To read or peruse or recite (the Quran or any other discourse) and follow (it) means" follow hum tab hi kar sakain gay jab hum bat ko achi tarha say samjain gay or achi tarha say samaj uss waqat hi sakain gay jab hum uss ki transalation read karain gi (4 non-arabic) means d best way is dat ap Quran-e-pak ko tarjama kay sath read karain or uss kay mesg ko follow krain and dis is wat in reals means called talawat
khan_amer
Apr 4 2007, 03:58 PM
Quran Paak PaRho, aur samjhnay kay ko secondary option bana loo!!! yeh riwaaaj Pak.o.Hind maiN ghaliban 1700s maiN ra'ij howa, yahaaN kay log chooNkay arabic zabaan key shud'bud na rakhtay thay, issi liya ahista ahista Quran say dor hona shoro howay, iss rujhaan kay khilaaf ulema nay logooN ka quran ka saath qayem rakhnay kay liya unhay sirf paRhnay key barakaat per hi lecture daynay shoroo ker diya meray khayal say iss act key wajaah yeh rahee hogee kay agr paRhaiN gay aur bar bar paRhaiN gay tu ho sakta hay kay samajh bhi ana shoroo ho jaye...
Per howa kya hay ham logoN nay issi per qana'at ker lee. aur as usual mushkil part ( yani amali hisay) ko bhool gay ya ussay secondary hasiyat daynee shoroo ker dee. iss key wajaah jahaaN eak tarf deen say dori hay wahaaN per Qurani ahkamat per amal kernay key surat maiN fori tor per kuch "Sahooliyaat" say dast'bardari bhi hay. issi liya ham log yehi kehtay nazr aatay haiN
kay quran per amal bhi kerna chahiyee (jaisay kay yeh nafli ibadat ho) per ussay paRhna zyada zaroori hay... goya amal kerna ya na kerna zaroori nahi...
ab agr issi statement ko analyse kya jaye tu yeh statement khud hi apni nafi kertee hay, eak bachay ko English zabaan key shud'bud hi na ho tu how can he read Shakespeare.
Further to above, kehnay ka maqsad yeh nahi kay Arabi zabaan jan'nay wala hi quran ko samajh sakta hay! nahi yeh koy muslima amr nahi, buhat say arab bhi quran ko nahi samajh saktay, bilkul ussi taraah jaisay buhat say urdu speaker Ghalib aur Iqbal ko nahi samajh saktay.
Like All Sciences, Quran key bhi apni yeh mantaq hay, apni eak study style hay, her muslmaan per farz hay kay woh Quran ko uss style say paRhay.. tu bila shuba eak lafz ka 10 ya 30 naikyooN wala mamla ho, otherwise jaisay kay hamara wateera hay kay quran paRhaiN iss kay sirf paRhnay say hi barkat hoti hay tu 52 MUMALIK maiN roz quran paRha jata hay, per mujhay kaheeN bhi barkat nazr nahi aati haaN hasrat.o.yaas aur na'umeedi hi nazr aatii hay... tu maiN iss say kya conclude karooN???
KamlaJatt
Apr 4 2007, 05:35 PM
I object here ...
mai nahi chahta k iss baaraiy mai behas ki jayeh ... phir bhi kuch to kehna chahiyeh
Iqra
Unhaiy kaha gaya jinhaiy parhna nahi aata tha
New Muslims
they are ordered to recite what they know ... if they dont know any thing they just do actions
BUT
Learning is necessary
Learning is never forbidden …
Seekhna aur phir karna Mushkil haiy
Banisbat kartaiy howaiy seekhna
Hum pehlaiy keh chukaiy hai'n SAMAJHNA Lazim haiy Zaroori haiy ... Laikin Samajh na aayeh aur iss liyeh parha na jaayeh ... yeh koi mantak nahi haiy
khan_amer
Apr 4 2007, 06:36 PM
mujhay aisay hi replu key tawaqoo thee
iss qisam key polls kay nateejay maiN, amooman do groups ban jatay haiN.. aur her group dosray group key baat ko sunnay say pehlay hi inkaar maiN ser hilana shoroo ker dayta hay
maiN nay kab kaha kay paRha mana hay... ALL iam saying ( ju kay shayad paRha hi nahi) QURAN ko paRhnay aur samjhnay asloob haiN, jaisay kay dosray subjects kay haiN.. yeh Asoolb learn kerna her muslmaan per farz hay...inhi kay madad say quran-fehmi ho saktee hay... phir issay samajh ker paRhna hay kyoN kay iss maiN ju kuch likha hay ussay implement bhi kerna hay ( ju kay asal maqsad hay quran kay nazool ka) ... per nahi hum log behas bhi kertay jayaiN gay aur kehtay bhi jayaiN gay kay behas nahi kerna chahtay...
khan_amer
Apr 4 2007, 06:42 PM
kisi bhi kitab ka koy na koy maqsad zaroor hota hay...
issi taraah quran kay wajood ka maqsaad yeh hay kay iss maiN likhay gay ahkamaat aur system ko nafiz kya jaye, yani un per amal kya jaye per aaj kay muslmaanooN nay quran ka maqsad badl ker sawab hasil kernay wali kitab ker diya hay.
Sirf Quran ko Samjhna hi issue nahi hay... asal masla yeh hay kay it must bhi implemented, thats prime issue.. per yeh stage tu na-qabil-e-hasool hay as kay aaj kay so-called muslims parhnay ko hi kafi samjhtay haiN aur issi per insist bhi kertay haiN.. Implementation and then reaction to those suffer kernay kay sakat nahi rakhtay...
So Quran paRha karo aur per lafz 10 naikyaaN kama liya karo ( i dont know kay sirf paRhnay say naikyaaN aur barakaat hasil key ja sakteeN haiN kyoN kay as i said earlier kisi bhi muslim mulk key halat aisi nahi kay wahaaN per Quran key wada kerda barakaat hooN)
Khalish
Apr 4 2007, 09:26 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 4 2007, 04:36 PM)

mujhay aisay hi replu key tawaqoo thee
iss qisam key polls kay nateejay maiN, amooman do groups ban jatay haiN.. aur her group dosray group key baat ko sunnay say pehlay hi inkaar maiN ser hilana shoroo ker dayta hay
maiN nay kab kaha kay paRha mana hay... ALL iam saying ( ju kay shayad paRha hi nahi) QURAN ko paRhnay aur samjhnay asloob haiN, jaisay kay dosray subjects kay haiN.. yeh Asoolb learn kerna her muslmaan per farz hay...inhi kay madad say quran-fehmi ho saktee hay... phir issay samajh ker paRhna hay kyoN kay iss maiN ju kuch likha hay ussay implement bhi kerna hay ( ju kay asal maqsad hay quran kay nazool ka) ... per nahi hum log behas bhi kertay jayaiN gay aur kehtay bhi jayaiN gay kay behas nahi kerna chahtay...
Mujhe aap ki sab batooN se itifaaq hai. Jiss hidayat ka zikr.e.khair hai voh isse sourat haamre liye faaeeday ke qaabil hogi jab hum usse samajh sakaiNge. I have no doubt on this statement.
Aap ne aik baat aur bhi buhot mantaqi kahi hai, keh mehz urdu zubaan ka ilm rakhna iss baat ki zamaanat nahi hai keh her koi Ghalib aur Iqbal ki urdu shaairy ko samajh sake ... aur mazeed aap ne yeh bhi tasleem kiya hai keh buhot se Arabs Ummul Kitaab jo unki maadri zubaan meiN hai nahi samajh paate.
Year 1700 ki mantaq aap ne kahaan se li? Isska mujhe andaaza nahi hai. Yaqeenan ulmaa ne buhot mehnat ki hai keh khaaliq ke kalaam usski makhlooq tak ussi rooh meiN pohanch jaaey jiss tarah usse khaaliq ne bayaan kiya hai. Mukhtalif zubanooN meiN tarajum issi maqsad ko paish.e.nazar rakhte hoay kiye gaey haiN .. and the bottom line has always been the 'awareness'.
Allah ke ehkaamaat apni zaban mein mojood trajims se bhi haasil kiye jaa sakte haiN aur jin 52 mumaalik ka aap ne zikr kiya hai yaqeenan wahaan per bhi khalq.e.khuda aisa he karti hogi ... Qu'an taaq meiN sajaane ke liye nahi urta .. ghair Arab isse tarjume se bhi samajh sakta hai aur yehi karne ki koshish bhi karta hai, lekin voh uss saroor aur kaifiyat se bhi waasta rehna chahta hai jo kalaam Allah ki tilaawat usse muhayya karti hai. Lihaaza yahaan yeh behas tamaam hoti hai keh quraan ko arabic zabaan meiN parh kar he iss se istifada haasil kiya jaa sakta hai.. Istifada tarajum se bhi haasil ho jaaey ga ... lekin ummul kitaab se iss liye dour raha jaaey keh aaj tarjume ki kitaab mojood nahi hai ... ya iss kitaab ka tarjuma falaan aalim ne kiya hai jo mere school of thought ke mutaabiq poora nahi tu aadha kaafir hai .. Aap kisi bhi masjid meiN jaaeiN wahaan aap ko tarjume ke saath quran ka nuskha nahi mile ga wahaan aap kalaam Allah ussi ki bayaan karda zubaan meiN paaeiNge. Jo kuch aap ne tilaawat kiya hai, usse samajhne ke liye apni apni zubaan ke tarajum se samajh lijiay.
Waise meri samajh meiN yeh baat abhi tak nahi aaee keh hum iss mozo per iss post meiN kyoN baat cheet kar rahe haiN?
KnOwN_StRaNgEr
Apr 5 2007, 09:23 AM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 4 2007, 06:42 PM)

Sirf Quran ko Samjhna hi issue nahi hay... asal masla yeh hay kay it must bhi implemented, thats prime issue.. per yeh stage tu na-qabil-e-hasool hay as kay aaj kay so-called muslims parhnay ko hi kafi samjhtay haiN aur issi per insist bhi kertay haiN.. Implementation and then reaction to those suffer kernay kay sakat nahi rakhtay...
So Quran paRha karo aur per lafz 10 naikyaaN kama liya karo ( i dont know kay sirf paRhnay say naikyaaN aur barakaat hasil key ja sakteeN haiN kyoN kay as i said earlier kisi bhi muslim mulk key halat aisi nahi kay wahaaN per Quran key wada kerda barakaat hooN)
This is wat i said too in my comment
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 11:23 AM
QUOTE(Kamli @ Apr 3 2007, 04:49 PM)

Tilaawat e Quraan Zaroori Hai.
Tarjuma Bhi Samjhna Chahiay Lakin Agar Aisa Nahi Hai To Quran Ki Tilaawat Phir B Zaroori Hai.
Saheeh...Agreed jab hum Quran Shareef ki telwat karen zarori to uske baad hi Quran Shareef ko samjhney aur us per amal kerney ki koshihs bhi karen geygey.
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 11:25 AM
QUOTE(sukaina @ Apr 3 2007, 09:22 PM)

TILAWET-E-QURAAN zruri hy. chahy terjuma or tefseer na ati ho. but hmain is baat ko ignore bhi nhin krna chahiye k QURAN PAK ki taleemat ko smjhny k liye terjuma or tefseer ka janena boht zruri hy. but yeh hr aik k liye possible nhin.so is ka yeh mtlb nhin k hum tilawet hi chor dain.but koshish yehi honi chahiye k smjh kr bhi perhain.or uss per amel bhi krain.
Bilkul saheh kaha aap ne meyn aap se mutafiq hon
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 11:34 AM
QUOTE(sahera @ Apr 4 2007, 02:35 PM)

HUm rewaji musalmaan jo tehray.....isliye aik 2 ruku ki tilawat kar kay samjhtay hien apnay farz pora kar liye.......magar sawal sab se pehlay yeh uthta hay wot the word tilawat means?
pehlay is lafz ka matalab janay phir agay baat kartay hien.
Hum rewaji naheen pedaishi musalman heyn aur yeh Allah ka aap per aur hum per bara khas karam hey...
Merey khial meyn Quran Shareef perhne key bhi adab hotey heyn aur uske baad hi issey porey tazeem-o-takreem ke sath perhna chahiey aur phir ussey samjhne ke sath sath amal kerne ki pori koshish kerni chahiey.
Bagher perhey aap kissi bhi cheez ko kesey samjh saktey heyn aur bagher samjhey amal kerna to bilkul hi munasib naheen...
Aap ke nazdek "telwat" se kya murad hey merrey nazdek iske meanings asan alafaz meyn Perhnn aur Samjhne ke heyn.
khan_amer
Apr 5 2007, 11:40 AM
QUOTE(Khalish @ Apr 4 2007, 07:26 PM)

Mujhe aap ki sab batooN se itifaaq hai. Jiss hidayat ka zikr.e.khair hai voh isse sourat haamre liye faaeeday ke qaabil hogi jab hum usse samajh sakaiNge. I have no doubt on this statement.
Aap ne aik baat aur bhi buhot mantaqi kahi hai, keh mehz urdu zubaan ka ilm rakhna iss baat ki zamaanat nahi hai keh her koi Ghalib aur Iqbal ki urdu shaairy ko samajh sake ... aur mazeed aap ne yeh bhi tasleem kiya hai keh buhot se Arabs Ummul Kitaab jo unki maadri zubaan meiN hai nahi samajh paate.
Year 1700 ki mantaq aap ne kahaan se li? Isska mujhe andaaza nahi hai. Yaqeenan ulmaa ne buhot mehnat ki hai keh khaaliq ke kalaam usski makhlooq tak ussi rooh meiN pohanch jaaey jiss tarah usse khaaliq ne bayaan kiya hai. Mukhtalif zubanooN meiN tarajum issi maqsad ko paish.e.nazar rakhte hoay kiye gaey haiN .. and the bottom line has always been the 'awareness'.
Allah ke ehkaamaat apni zaban mein mojood trajims se bhi haasil kiye jaa sakte haiN aur jin 52 mumaalik ka aap ne zikr kiya hai yaqeenan wahaan per bhi khalq.e.khuda aisa he karti hogi ... Qu'an taaq meiN sajaane ke liye nahi urta .. ghair Arab isse tarjume se bhi samajh sakta hai aur yehi karne ki koshish bhi karta hai, lekin voh uss saroor aur kaifiyat se bhi waasta rehna chahta hai jo kalaam Allah ki tilaawat usse muhayya karti hai. Lihaaza yahaan yeh behas tamaam hoti hai keh quraan ko arabic zabaan meiN parh kar he iss se istifada haasil kiya jaa sakta hai.. Istifada tarajum se bhi haasil ho jaaey ga ... lekin ummul kitaab se iss liye dour raha jaaey keh aaj tarjume ki kitaab mojood nahi hai ... ya iss kitaab ka tarjuma falaan aalim ne kiya hai jo mere school of thought ke mutaabiq poora nahi tu aadha kaafir hai .. Aap kisi bhi masjid meiN jaaeiN wahaan aap ko tarjume ke saath quran ka nuskha nahi mile ga wahaan aap kalaam Allah ussi ki bayaan karda zubaan meiN paaeiNge. Jo kuch aap ne tilaawat kiya hai, usse samajhne ke liye apni apni zubaan ke tarajum se samajh lijiay.
Waise meri samajh meiN yeh baat abhi tak nahi aaee keh hum iss mozo per iss post meiN kyoN baat cheet kar rahe haiN?
1700 key logic meri drive kerda nahi hay, app year 1700 ka baghoor mutalaya karaiN tu nazr aata hay kay Morroco say Indonesia tak muslmaan ghulaam banaye jaa rahay haiN, HIND maiN Siraj.ud.dollah aur Sultan Tipu kay parcham sirnagooN ho jatay haiN tu Central Asia key sar'zameen jis nay kabhi Mehmood, Taimor aur Baber ka jah.o.jalal dekha tha Bukhara kay 70,000 Robl per farokht honay per hairan hay, Shumali Africa maiN muslims kabhi purtagese raaj dekhtay haiN tu kabhi french tu kabhi angraizi... Usmani jin kay islaaf nay kabhi apni talwaar key nook say europe key tareekh likhi thee, ab unhi europe mumalik kay dam'qadam say apni khilafat qayam rakhay howay nazr aatee hay, Middle-East Qabaili asbiyaat apnay arooj per hoti hay... iss khaternaak tareen dor maiN hi MuslmanooN maiN chand islaahi tehreekaiN paida howeeN, Jamal.ud.deen Afghani, Shah Wali Allah, Berailvee aur Deobandi tehreekooN ka abtayda't tehreekooN ka maqasd muslmaanooN ka quran say rabta rakhna tha.. issi liya for the time being unhooN nay iss kay paRhnay per insist kya.. kyoN kay Quran key taleemaat uss samraaj kay khilaaf baghwat taswur key jateeN aur wohi hota.. ju kay centrel Asia maiN howa... wahaaN kay ulema yeh kaam na ker sakay aur aaj ham daikhtay haiN kay wahaaN per sirf naam kay muslim reh gay haiN. ( iss say zyada mukhtasir shayad nahi ho saktee thee 1700s key theory)... uss waqt iss ka maqsad waqti tor pe buhraan ka dor guzarna bhi ho sakta hay... per baad maiN anay walooN nay issi chee z per qanaat ker lee aur quran key implementation kha'aab ban ker rreh gayee
Bhai jan, ba'sad-e-ahtayraam agr 52 mumlik maiN say kisi bi mulk maiN quran ko samjha gaya hota tu aaj bila'shak.o.shuba woh duniya ka imam hotay. per aisa nahi hay. Quran key taleemaat ka amli muzahira hamay USA, UK jaisay mumlik maiN nazr aata hay ( siwa wahdaniyat kay inhooN nay quran kay almost tamam social aspects adopt ker rakhay haiN).
Wada Khilaaf yeh nahi hotay, Jhoot in kay yahaaN sab say kam bola jata hay, Corruption maiN in kay number muslim mumalik kay baad hi aatay haiN.. yeh kuch points thay... Illama Iqbal farmatay haiN
kay agr kafir bhi muslim Aa'een ka hamil ho tu ussay Hoor.o.qasoor dono hi miltay haiN aur yehi Allah tala kay yahaN ka dastoor hay....
Abdullah
Apr 5 2007, 12:55 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 3 2007, 03:10 PM)

Cannot be done, u have to start the poll again
Ji agr aap Poll banatay waqt is
"Multiple choice question? (Allows users to select more than one choice)" ko check kar dain gay to aisa hi hoga, warna Normal Radio hi rahay ga.
Ab yea nahi ho sakta -have to start the poll again
sahera
Apr 5 2007, 02:47 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 5 2007, 06:34 AM)

Hum rewaji naheen pedaishi musalman heyn aur yeh Allah ka aap per aur hum per bara khas karam hey...
aap zara apni baat par ghoor karay wot u said..paidaishi musalmaan aur rwaji musalmaan honay mein kya farq hay? aap musalmaan kay ghar payeda hoye toh musalmaan hein...musalmano kay kabristan mien dafanaye jaye gay aur musalmanoo wala tehwar bhi mana lay gay....so ur rewaji musalmaan, yani sirf naam kay.....
Merey khial meyn Quran Shareef perhne key bhi adab hotey heyn aur uske baad hi issey porey tazeem-o-takreem ke sath perhna chahiey aur phir ussey samjhne ke sath sath amal kerne ki pori koshish kerni chahiey.
tazeem o takreem kay saath parhna kis ko kehtay hien aap?
aur dosara yeh lafz koshish hi saree bigaaR ka JAR hay....lafz koshish jahaN agaya samjhay wahaN neyat mein fatoor hay
Bagher perhey aap kissi bhi cheez ko kesey samjh saktey heyn aur bagher samjhey amal kerna to bilkul hi munasib naheen...
Aap ke nazdek "telwat" se kya murad hey merrey nazdek iske meanings asan alafaz meyn Perhnn aur Samjhne ke heyn.
janab meray nazdeek ya humaray nazdeek koi baat ehmiyat nahi rakhti....sawal yeh hay kay hum par kya farz hay...aap apnay nazdeek ya apni samjh kar mutabik kis lafz ka matalab nahi nikaal saktay aur tilawat ka matalab samjhna aur samjhnay , itabaa aur pairawe karna hay.......ab mujhe quran pak ki arabic mein se koi lfaz nikaal kar nahi dekha saktay jahAN tilawat ka matalab parhna bayan hoya ho.......
Ph.D jab ki jati hay toh mazameen ko samjh kar ki jati hay rite? sirf book reading se kya degree mil jati hay....justajoo ki jati hay.......phir is kitab ko sirf parhnay tak mehdood kio rakh gaya hay.....
humesha yaad rakhay maflooj kay lye qanon aur hay aur sehat mand kay liye aur.....andha ungali pahir kar sirf itna keh dey barhaq hay toh sawab hay uskay lye....mey aur aap auran ki arbi parh lay aur keh dein barhaq hay aur bahir ja kar quran kay hur sabaq ki takzeeb karay toh kya milaa aapko parh kar? bataye zara
sahera
Apr 5 2007, 02:53 PM
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Apr 5 2007, 07:55 AM)

Ji agr aap Poll banatay waqt is
"Multiple choice question? (Allows users to select more than one choice)" ko check kar dain gay to aisa hi hoga, warna Normal Radio hi rahay ga.
Ab yea nahi ho sakta -have to start the poll again

iska move na kar diya jaye islam section mey?
sahera
Apr 5 2007, 03:06 PM
QUOTE(KamlaJatt @ Apr 4 2007, 12:35 PM)

I object here ...
Hum pehlaiy keh chukaiy hai'n SAMAJHNA Lazim haiy Zaroori haiy ... Laikin Samajh na aayeh aur iss liyeh parha na jaayeh ... yeh koi mantak nahi haiy
samjhna lazim hay.....is baat se sab agreed hien balkay sab ka agree hona koi mani nahi rakhta baat ka sahi hona zayda zaroori hay...
jahaN tak baat hay samjh na aaye aur sirf parhnay par ikteefa kiya jaye....yeh ManTak kya sab kay liye hay? kya ankhON wala aur begiar ankhON wala baraber hotay hien?
plz explain....takay aap ka point mazeed clear ho.
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 03:18 PM
"Rewaji Musalman" yeh term first time suni hey meyn ne kyun ke meri nazer meyn Musalman ya to pedaishi musalman hota hey ye Nou Muslim (Pedaish ke baad Islam Qabool kerney wala)
Aaap jo baat ker rahi heyn uska post se koi taluq naheen wesey aap ki baat dursut hey ab hum naam ke hi musalman reh gaey heyn aur merey mutabiq yeh sab Quran Shareef se dori aur uski telawat na kerney ka shakhsana hey.
Tazeem-o-takreem ke ma'ani adab-o-adab key hotey heyn aur hum jiss cheez ko mohtam aur muqdas samjhtey heyn uski hi tazeem kertey heyn aur Quran Sharef ko bhi Adab-o-adab sey perhna aur samjhna chahiey. Quran Sharef ki talawat ke adab ek alag topic hey.
Her Musalman bulkey her Insaan sirf koshsih hi ker sakta hey kamyabi ya nakamuabi hamarey bas meyn naheen bas shert yeh hey ke koshish borey dil sey aur khulos se kerni chahiey aur wesey bhi Allah hum sab ki neyaton ka haal janta hey.
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 03:22 PM
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 03:25 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 3 2007, 02:57 PM)

Number of votes is more than votes casted why is that???
Its my mistake.Sorry for botherance
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 03:26 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 3 2007, 03:01 PM)

kyoN kay Siraj bhai nay RADIO BUTTONS key jagah CHECK BOXEs use kya haiN
aap ne saheh bataya Khan Sahab
sahera
Apr 5 2007, 03:44 PM
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Apr 5 2007, 10:18 AM)

"Rewaji Musalman" yeh term first time suni hey meyn ne kyun ke meri nazer meyn Musalman ya to pedaishi musalman hota hey ye Nou Muslim (Pedaish ke baad Islam Qabool kerney wala)
Aaap jo baat ker rahi heyn uska post se koi taluq naheen wesey aap ki baat dursut hey ab hum naam ke hi musalman reh gaey heyn aur merey mutabiq yeh sab Quran Shareef se dori aur uski telawat na kerney ka shakhsana hey.
Tazeem-o-takreem ke ma'ani adab-o-adab key hotey heyn aur hum jiss cheez ko mohtam aur muqdas samjhtey heyn uski hi tazeem kertey heyn aur Quran Sharef ko bhi Adab-o-adab sey perhna aur samjhna chahiey. Quran Sharef ki talawat ke adab ek alag topic hey.
Her Musalman bulkey her Insaan sirf koshsih hi ker sakta hey kamyabi ya nakamuabi hamarey bas meyn naheen bas shert yeh hey ke koshish borey dil sey aur khulos se kerni chahiey aur wesey bhi Allah hum sab ki neyaton ka haal janta hey.
ASal baat phir wohi reh gaye hay.....hum sab ko apni ghalti manani hay aur aik nateeja par pohanchna hay..
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 06:27 PM
Khan Amer
Quran Paak PaRho, aur samjhnay kay ko secondary option bana loo!!! yeh riwaaaj Pak.o.Hind maiN ghaliban 1700s maiN ra'ij howa, yahaaN kay log chooNkay arabic zabaan key shud'bud na rakhtay thay, issi liya ahista ahista Quran say dor hona shoro howay, iss rujhaan kay khilaaf ulema nay logooN ka quran ka saath qayem rakhnay kay liya unhay sirf paRhnay key barakaat per hi lecture daynay shoroo ker diya meray khayal say iss act key wajaah yeh rahee hogee kay agr paRhaiN gay aur bar bar paRhaiN gay tu ho sakta hay kay samajh bhi ana shoroo ho jaye...Rafay:Lakin iska yeh matlab kahan sey aghya ke Quran shareef tab tak na perha jaey jab tak hum ussey samjh na sakeyn....Khan Amer
Per howa kya hay ham logoN nay issi per qana'at ker lee. aur as usual mushkil part ( yani amali hisay) ko bhool gay ya ussay secondary hasiyat daynee shoroo ker dee. iss key wajaah jahaaN eak tarf deen say dori hay wahaaN per Qurani ahkamat per amal kernay key surat maiN fori tor per kuch "Sahooliyaat" say dast'bardari bhi hay. issi liya ham log yehi kehtay nazr aatay haiN Rafay:Yahan aap ki baat se ittefaq kerta hon ke esa hi howa hey aur hum Quran Sharef ko sirf perhne ki had tak hi mehdod hogaey heyn aur iss per ghor-o-fiker ki traf aur usper amal kerna chorte ja rahey heyn...Khan Amer
kay quran per amal bhi kerna chahiyee (jaisay kay yeh nafli ibadat ho) per ussay paRhna zyada zaroori hay... goya amal kerna ya na kerna zaroori nahi...Rafay:Quran ko perhker ,samjh ker aur usper amal kerna zarori hey...bilkul saheeh kaha aap ne lakin yahan phir wohi baat ke pehley Quran ko perhna to shurru karey phir usper ghor-o-fiker karey na ke yeh Quran ko perhey hi naheen ke mughey to samjh naheen aata....Khan Amer 
ab agr issi statement ko analyse kya jaye tu yeh statement khud hi apni nafi kertee hay, eak bachay ko English zabaan key shud'bud hi na ho tu how can he read Shakespeare.
Further to above, kehnay ka maqsad yeh nahi kay Arabi zabaan jan'nay wala hi quran ko samajh sakta hay! nahi yeh koy muslima amr nahi, buhat say arab bhi quran ko nahi samajh saktay, bilkul ussi taraah jaisay buhat say urdu speaker Ghalib aur Iqbal ko nahi samajh saktay.
Like All Sciences, Quran key bhi apni yeh mantaq hay, apni eak study style hay, her muslmaan per farz hay kay woh Quran ko uss style say paRhay.. tu bila shuba eak lafz ka 10 ya 30 naikyooN wala mamla ho, otherwise jaisay kay hamara wateera hay kay quran paRhaiN iss kay sirf paRhnay say hi barkat hoti hay tu 52 MUMALIK maiN roz quran paRha jata hay, per mujhay kaheeN bhi barkat nazr nahi aati haaN hasrat.o.yaas aur na'umeedi hi nazr aatii hay... tu maiN iss say kya conclude karooN???Rafay:meyn apki mantqa aur baat se mukamil itefaq kerta hon ke Quran ko samjh ker aur usper amal kerney ka hi hukum dya ghya hey lakin ager koi sirf yeh keh ker Quran Sharef na perhey ke ussey to samjh hi naheen aata ,Arabi zuban uski samjh se bala ter hey to aap kya kahen gey.....?
Mera sirf yeh kehna he key Quran Sharef ka perhna aur telawat kerna zarori hey chahey aap ki samjh meyn aaye ya na aaye....Quran ko samjhna,usper tadabur kerna aur phir usper amal kerna baad ki baten heyn lakin iska matlab yeh bhi naheen Quran Sharef ki telawat kerli kafi hey..Naheen bilkul naheenQuran perhna ,ussey samjhna,usper ghor-o-fiker kerna aur sath sath usper amal kerna hum sab per farz hey.
Baqi meyn aap ki tamam baaton se mutafiq hoon.
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 06:30 PM
QUOTE(KamlaJatt @ Apr 4 2007, 05:35 PM)

I object here ...
mai nahi chahta k iss baaraiy mai behas ki jayeh ... phir bhi kuch to kehna chahiyeh
Iqra
Unhaiy kaha gaya jinhaiy parhna nahi aata tha
New Muslims
they are ordered to recite what they know ... if they dont know any thing they just do actions
BUT
Learning is necessary
Learning is never forbidden …
Seekhna aur phir karna Mushkil haiy
Banisbat kartaiy howaiy seekhna
Hum pehlaiy keh chukaiy hai'n SAMAJHNA Lazim haiy Zaroori haiy ... Laikin Samajh na aayeh aur iss liyeh parha na jaayeh ... yeh koi mantak nahi haiy
Thanks for understanding.
~Saraj~
Apr 5 2007, 06:40 PM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Apr 4 2007, 06:36 PM)

mujhay aisay hi replu key tawaqoo thee
iss qisam key polls kay nateejay maiN, amooman do groups ban jatay haiN.. aur her group dosray group key baat ko sunnay say pehlay hi inkaar maiN ser hilana shoroo ker dayta hay
maiN nay kab kaha kay paRha mana hay... ALL iam saying ( ju kay shayad paRha hi nahi) QURAN ko paRhnay aur samjhnay asloob haiN, jaisay kay dosray subjects kay haiN.. yeh Asoolb learn kerna her muslmaan per farz hay...inhi kay madad say quran-fehmi ho saktee hay... phir issay samajh ker paRhna hay kyoN kay iss maiN ju kuch likha hay ussay implement bhi kerna hay ( ju kay asal maqsad hay quran kay nazool ka) ... per nahi hum log behas bhi kertay jayaiN gay aur kehtay bhi jayaiN gay kay behas nahi kerna chahtay...
Khan Amer
personally I have said that you & some other person have very much respect w.r.t your Knowledge specially Islamic knowledg.
Meri iss post ka wahid maqsad behas braey behas naheen bulkey iss baat ko wazeh kerna tha jo aap ne abhi kahi hey ke sirf Quran Sharef ka perhna hi kafi naheen ,ussey perh ker ,samjhna ,aur usper amal kerna lazmi hey.
lakin sab se pehley Quran Sharef ko perho to saheeh uskey baad usse samjhna,usper amal kerna aur ghor-o-fiker kertey rhena lazmi hey.
Thanks
KnOwN_StRaNgEr
Apr 6 2007, 09:10 AM
khan_amer
Apr 6 2007, 01:37 PM
The Only Reason iam angry in this discussion is
The Count Down
*DhanaK*
Apr 7 2007, 01:18 AM
i've replied in the previous post.
tarjume ke saath padhna bahot khoob hai kyunki aapko Allah ka paighaam samajhh mein ata hai aur zuroor padhna chahiye ,lekin Qur'an paak ko padhna ( baghair tarjuma) bhi bahot sukoon deta hai,yeh Allah ka kalaam hai aur jab uljhahn ho Qur'aan apne saamne kholo ,padhna shuru karo apne aap hi sukoon milta hai.Kyunki yeh Allah ka kalaam hai jo hamare haath mein hota hai.
Najman
Apr 7 2007, 05:25 PM
mai ne tou yehi suna ,samjha aur parha hai ke "tilawat" ka matlab hi baar baar parhna aur samajh ke parhna hai..
meri quran,tafseer ki teacher..na samajh ke parhne walon ke liye hazrat mosa alayhay salam ke gadhay ki misaal deti hien,jiss pe toraat ki takhtyaan laad ke laaye thay woh..
Najman
Apr 7 2007, 05:36 PM
QUOTE(shafaq @ Apr 7 2007, 01:18 AM)

i've replied in the previous post.
tarjume ke saath padhna bahot khoob hai kyunki aapko Allah ka paighaam samajhh mein ata hai aur zuroor padhna chahiye ,lekin Qur'an paak ko padhna ( baghair tarjuma) bhi bahot sukoon deta hai,yeh Allah ka kalaam hai aur jab uljhahn ho Qur'aan apne saamne kholo ,padhna shuru karo apne aap hi sukoon milta hai.Kyunki yeh Allah ka kalaam hai jo hamare haath mein hota hai.
yeh tou Quran ke mojazaat mein se hai ke baghair samjhe bhi sukoon milta hai parh ke ,beshak..
magar ghour kijiye yehi quran baar baar kehta hai "hai koi samajhne wala""hai koi jo naseehat pakre?"
mere khayal mein yeh sarasar zulm hai ke kisi dost rishtaydaar aziz ya parents ka hi khat ho tou aap foran khol ke parhien..aur woh jo hamaray Allah ne likh ke bheja hai ussko kisi khatir mein lanay,samajhne ki zehmet hi nahin ki jaye..
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