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Forever Green

Aug 19 2007, 09:11 PM

Mere saath kal jo huwa us ne mere aasaab shul kar diye the aur mein kissi bhi baat ko soochne samajhne se qasir thi ....

Jab meinne ye Form join kiya aur mujh se Interview liya gaya tha to is forum ko join karne ka Ek major reason mein ne ye bhi diya tha ke " Kyon ke yahan Moderating and Management team Mojood hay is liye mujhe is baat ka kabhi dar nahi laga ke koi mujh ekuch bhi ghalat keh sakta hay"...

Aaj us baat ko sahi proove karne ka waqt hay .....

Meinne Islaam Section mein post Film Khuda Ke Liye mein kuch replies kiye the ....sab hi apne views de rahe the LEKIN.....

MR DAYLIGHT ne had kar di .....woh wahan per jis per bhi chahen Fitwe laga rahe hain ... pehle Khalaw sisoo ko unhon ne nishana banaya aur ab mujhe.... Pehle aap mulaihza kijye ke mujh per kya Fitwa lagaya gaya hay ...

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Allah ne Quran mein kaha hai k "Kon hai wo shakhs jo ALlah ki halal ki gai cheezon ko haram qarar de day".......
Yani Allah ne challenge dia hai k akhir kon hai wo , aur aap kehti hain k aap hain wo shakhs jo aik aisi cheez ko haram qarar de rahi hain jo Allah ne haram nahin qarar di..... Aur Allah ki halal ki hui cheezon ko haram kehna Khuda k muqaablay mein khud Khuda bun jana hai........ Isnt it ??? Lekin aap ko maamlay ki nazakat tak ka ilm nahin, apko ye tak ilm nahin k kisi halal cheez ko haram qarar de dena kitna bara gunah hai......... Aur phir uss cheez ko haram kehna jiskay baaray mein aap khud "shak" mein hain.......

MUJH PER NA-AOZUBILLAH KHUDAI KA DAWA KARNE KA FITWA LAGAYA GAYA HAY

Agar is Forum mein yahi sab hona hay to koi apne Iman ki Tazlil ke dar se kabhi ye Forum join nahi kare ga....

Mera Iman mere saath Lekin mein is Shakhs ko aese nahi choor sakti .... Aap Management team se Darkhawst hay ke ye jo Aalim Fazil bane huwe hain aur dharle se har us shakhs per fitwe laga rahe hain jo inki baat se mukhalfat kare ...is Shakhs ko Black list kiya jay aur Aese shakhs ke khilaaf serious Action liya jay ...

Khalish Bhai, Abdullah Bhai aur Big B bhai ki special Tawajoh chahye mujhe...

Shukrya ....

Khalish

Aug 20 2007, 12:50 AM

Salaam Behna

MaiN aik aadh dafa uss mutanarza post per gaya hooN Islam Section meiN..Meraa zaati khayyal yehi hai keh wahaan baat ka batangar ban raha hai. Yeh film koi aisi cheez nahi jissy ya jiss ke contents ko hum kufr.o.islam ka masla bana laiN.. Shayed yehi wajah hai keh maiN ne khud uss post meiN hissa nahi liya. MJB

isse handle kar rahe haiN.

Ab aati hai baat aap ki shikayat ki. Post ka jo hissa aap ne quote kiya hai keh Daylight ne jawaaban yeh tehreer kiya hai ... Daylight ki tarz.e.tehreer se shayed maiN muttafiq na hooN .. lekin jo masla voh bayaan kar rahe haiN voh 100% waisa he hai jaisa keh voh paish kar rahe haiN.

Aap Quran.e.Majeed meiN Sorat.e.Tehreem ki tafseer parh lijiay .. Yeh sourat Huzoor.e.Akram (SAW) ki apni chand azwaaj.e.mutahiraat ke kehne per aik sharbat ke peene se inkaar ke nateejay meiN utri hai. Aur issmeiN hamaare Nabi (SAW) ke liye tanbeh hai keh voh Allah SWT ki halaal kardah kisi cheez ko haraam (ya usske istimaal se mana) na kar sakte haiN na samajh sakte haiN.

Yeh buhot he naazuk masla hai aur issmeiN alfaaz ke istimaal meiN be.intihaa ehtiyaat ki zaroorat hai.. aur kehne waala kisi waqt bhi hudood.allah se bahar jaa sakta hai.

Meraa mashvaraa hai keh iss masle per mazeed baat cheet na ki jaaey aur na kisi ko qaail karne ki koshish .. kyoNke iss se baat khaami ki taraf he baRhe gi aur kuch haasil karne ke bajaey andaisha yeh hai keh jo kuch hamaare paas hai hum uss se bhi mehroom na ho jaaeiN.

Ab rahi HC Forum ki baat tu meri Behna

mere khayyal se yahaan sab he samajhdaar haiN ...Daylight ne na aap ko kuch kaha hai na Khalwa Behan

per koi fatwa jaari kiya hai. Baat ko total contents ki rooshni meiN daikhna aur samajhna chahiye ... aik aadh line se nahi ... aur ghalat.fehmi yaheiN se shuru ho jaati hai.

Aap aur Khalwa behan se meri guzaarish hai keh jazbaat se kaam na laiN .. mujhe per bharoosa rakhaiN ... aur jo kuch meiN samjhana chahta hooN usse samajhne ki koshish kijiay.

Khush RahaiN

Forever Green

Aug 20 2007, 01:30 AM

Bahot shukrya aap ki attention ka Bhai

Mein Maanti hoon ke ye aayat theek hay .......sahi hay ........... LEKIN.... MR DL ne jis bina per mujhe is gunah ka murtaqib qarar diya woh ab mein poore content ke saath paste kar rahi hoon

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Itna lamba reply kar dia magar ek ayat nahin quote kar saki jis ka saaf matlab hai k aap ne jhoot bola tha k ALlah ne Quran mein saaf saaf bata dia hai k music haram hai lehaza iss par sochna kesa......... Allah aur Quran k baray mein jhoot bolna bouhat bara gunah haiMujhe to music k jaiz honay mein zarra barabar bhi shak nahin Muje to mukammal yakeen hai aur yakeen hai muje unn ahadith par jo iski taeed karti hain aur yakeen hai mujhe uss Quran par jo iski tarteed nahin karta to phir shak kesa ??

Aap ne ye hadith music k hawalay se pesh ki jiska saaf matlab hai k apko iss maslay mein shak hai........to aap mujhe ye hadith sunanay ki bajaye khud iss par amal karein, apko shak hai to itnay din se ratt kyun laga rakhi thi aap ne k ye haram hai jis cheez mein apko shak tha uskay jaiz najaiz mein akhir kyun pari ?? tab ye hadith yaad nahin ayi aapko aur aaj doosron ko naseehat karne k liye hadith suna di

Phir hum logon ki purani aur buri adat hai k sirf hadith k alfaaz ko le kar uss par faisla suna detay hain, ye nahin dekhtay k wo hadith kis context mein kab aur kis siyaaq o sabaaq mein bayaan hui hai....... bus lug jatay hain har cheez par usko fit karne

To kese maan lon aap se kaha k ayat batain wo aap ne batai nahin to kese maan lon

Aur baat music ki nahin baat bouhat bari aur bouhat aham hai.......

Allah ne Quran mein kaha hai k "Kon hai wo shakhs jo ALlah ki halal ki gai cheezon ko haram qarar de day".......

Yani Allah ne challenge dia hai k akhir kon hai wo , aur aap kehti hain k aap hain wo shakhs jo aik aisi cheez ko haram qarar de rahi hain jo Allah ne haram nahin qarar di..... Aur Allah ki halal ki hui cheezon ko haram kehna Khuda k muqaablay mein khud Khuda bun jana hai........ Isnt it ??? Lekin aap ko maamlay ki nazakat tak ka ilm nahin, apko ye tak ilm nahin k kisi halal cheez ko haram qarar de dena kitna bara gunah hai......... Aur phir uss cheez ko haram kehna jiskay baaray mein aap khud "shak" mein hain.......

Ab aap ne un ka poora reply parh liya hoga .....

Unhon ne mujh pe ye Fitwa Is aayat ko use kar ke MUSIC ke liye lagaya hay .....ye samajhte hain ke Allah paak ne Music ko halal qarar diya hay aur mein is ko Haram Qarar deke FIRONIYAT ki Kufar ki murtakib huwi hoon.............

Aap se guzarish hay ke aap Insaaf se kaam lein Kyon ke Music sirf in ki nazar mein halal hay sab ki nazar mein nahi ........

To phir ye kon hote hain hamare liye Halal uar Haram ko Muntakhib karne wale aur us ke baad fitwe lagane wale...

Aap plzzz sooch samajh ke faisla karen ....Kyon ke agar aap issi tarha har kissi ko choot dein ge apne forum mein Kuch bhi kehne ki to shayad sab apni security ki khatir hi yahan nahi aayen ge .....

Shukrya

MJB

Aug 20 2007, 01:48 AM

Dear FG

main ne uss topic pe DL ko jawab diya hey,,, asoolan yeah jawab aapki taraf se banta tha,,, jis ko main ne sawal bana ke poocha hey

Khalish

Aug 20 2007, 02:03 AM

QUOTE(Forever Green @ Aug 19 2007, 11:30 PM)

Bahot shukrya aap ki attention ka Bhai

Mein Maanti hoon ke ye aayat theek hay .......sahi hay ........... LEKIN.... MR DL ne jis bina per mujhe is gunah ka murtaqib qarar diya woh ab mein poore content ke saath paste kar rahi hoon

Ab aap ne un ka poora reply parh liya hoga .....

Unhon ne mujh pe ye Fitwa Is aayat ko use kar ke MUSIC ke liye lagaya hay .....ye samajhte hain ke Allah paak ne Music ko halal qarar diya hay aur mein is ko Haram Qarar deke FIRONIYAT ki Kufar ki murtakib huwi hoon.............

Aap se guzarish hay ke aap Insaaf se kaam lein Kyon ke Music sirf in ki nazar mein halal hay sab ki nazar mein nahi ........

To phir ye kon hote hain hamare liye Halal uar Haram ko Muntakhib karne wale aur us ke baad fitwe lagane wale...

Aap plzzz sooch samajh ke faisla karen ....Kyon ke agar aap issi tarha har kissi ko choot dein ge apne forum mein Kuch bhi kehne ki to shayad sab apni security ki khatir hi yahan nahi aayen ge .....

Shukrya

Salaam

Meri behna jo jawaab aap ne ab quote kiya hai maiN issmeiN bhi koi aisa baat note nahi kar saka jo kisi fatway ke daairay meiN aati hai. Daylight music ke silsile meiN quran se quote maaNg rahe haiN .. jo zahir hai keh nahi hai. Huzoor ki Madinah aamad ke waqt bacchiyouN ne daff per jo istaqbaali geet gaey the uss waqt bhi Huzoor SAW se koi aisi baat mansoob nahi hai keh aap ne mana farmaya ho... jo cheez aap (SAW) ke saamne ho gaee ho aur aap ne usse mana na farmaya ho ... (chahay woh Arabs ke samaaji rasm.o.riwaaj meiN he shaamil kyoN na hooN) voh haraam ke dairay meiN nahi aate.

Baat aage nikal jaaey gi, Ahl-e-Sunnat meiN bhi Music ki hurmat per ikhtilaaf hai .. aur buhot sakht hai. Ab maiN nahi chahooNga keh yeh masla HC ke Islam Section meiN discuss ho.

Jiss baat per daylight zoor deyte rahe haiN keh voh Music ke haraam hone ki daleel Quaan.o.Hadeeth se chahte haiN .. agar unko qaail karna maqsood hai tu aayaat aur ahadeeth paish karke iss behas ko khatam kar diya jaaey.

Aik baat ka maiN aap ko yaqeen dilaa dooN keh agar HC ka koi bhi member zaati makhasimat meiN mubtilaa paaya jaata hai tu hum yaqeenan uski membership continue karne per dou baar sooch sakte haiN.

*DhanaK*

Aug 20 2007, 02:11 AM

QUOTE(Khalish @ Aug 19 2007, 07:50 PM)

Salaam Behna

MaiN aik aadh dafa uss mutanarza post per gaya hooN Islam Section meiN..Meraa zaati khayyal yehi hai keh wahaan baat ka batangar ban raha hai. Yeh film koi aisi cheez nahi jissy ya jiss ke contents ko hum kufr.o.islam ka masla bana laiN.. Shayed yehi wajah hai keh maiN ne khud uss post meiN hissa nahi liya. MJB

isse handle kar rahe haiN.

Ab aati hai baat aap ki shikayat ki. Post ka jo hissa aap ne quote kiya hai keh Daylight ne jawaaban yeh tehreer kiya hai ... Daylight ki tarz.e.tehreer se shayed maiN muttafiq na hooN .. lekin jo masla voh bayaan kar rahe haiN voh 100% waisa he hai jaisa keh voh paish kar rahe haiN.

Aap Quran.e.Majeed meiN Sorat.e.Tehreem ki tafseer parh lijiay .. Yeh sourat Huzoor.e.Akram (SAW) ki apni chand azwaaj.e.mutahiraat ke kehne per aik sharbat ke peene se inkaar ke nateejay meiN utri hai. Aur issmeiN hamaare Nabi (SAW) ke liye tanbeh hai keh voh Allah SWT ki halaal kardah kisi cheez ko haraam (ya usske istimaal se mana) na kar sakte haiN na samajh sakte haiN.

Yeh buhot he naazuk masla hai aur issmeiN alfaaz ke istimaal meiN be.intihaa ehtiyaat ki zaroorat hai.. aur kehne waala kisi waqt bhi hudood.allah se bahar jaa sakta hai.

Meraa mashvaraa hai keh iss masle per mazeed baat cheet na ki jaaey aur na kisi ko qaail karne ki koshish .. kyoNke iss se baat khaami ki taraf he baRhe gi aur kuch haasil karne ke bajaey andaisha yeh hai keh jo kuch hamaare paas hai hum uss se bhi mehroom na ho jaaeiN.

Ab rahi HC Forum ki baat tu meri Behna

mere khayyal se yahaan sab he samajhdaar haiN ...Daylight ne na aap ko kuch kaha hai na Khalwa Behan

per koi fatwa jaari kiya hai. Baat ko total contents ki rooshni meiN daikhna aur samajhna chahiye ... aik aadh line se nahi ... aur ghalat.fehmi yaheiN se shuru ho jaati hai.

Aap aur Khalwa behan se meri guzaarish hai keh jazbaat se kaam na laiN .. mujhe per bharoosa rakhaiN ... aur jo kuch meiN samjhana chahta hooN usse samajhne ki koshish kijiay.

Khush RahaiN

Khlaish bhai,salaams
aap hain,yeh jaankar itminaan huwa...thanks to MJB too.

Khalish

Aug 20 2007, 02:31 AM

QUOTE(shafaq @ Aug 20 2007, 12:11 AM)

Khlaish bhai,salaams
aap hain,yeh jaankar itminaan huwa...thanks to MJB too.

Salaam

Jee Behna

maiN yaheiN hooN ... aap itminaan rakhiye

Daylight

Aug 20 2007, 04:48 AM

Assalam o Alaikum to All

Sub se pehli baat k Miss FG se mera iss post se pehle koi taaruf nahin tha, post bhi araam se chal rahi thi, magar phir achanak FG ki aamad hui aur aaghaaz inhon ne mujhe disgusting keh kar keya........ Phir waqtan fa-waqtan iss topic par aati rahi magar kisi daleel denay k liye nahin balkeh sirf aur sirf mujh par tanzia jumlay kasnay k liye...... Ye topic board par majood hai, koi bhi uss topic se FG ki posts check kar le..... Phir jab inhon ne dekha k main doosray fareeq ki har har baat ko quote kar k usko daleel k saath jawab de raha hon to bajaye iskay k usko accept ya reject karti daleel k bal-bootay par, inhon ne likha k ye shakhs to tankhawdaar lagta hai k har baat ka jawab deta ja raha hai....... Iss tahammul wali post ko bigaarna start keya FG ne, magar main magarmuch k aansu le kar nahin aya k isne ye keh dia isne wo keh dia........ kyunke mujhe maloom hai k discussion k dauraan ghussay mein insan ussi waqt ata hai jab uskay paas koi daleel nahin reh jati......

Now come to this point...... Awwal to ye bouhat ajeeb baat hai k FG agar kuch kahein to wo "Baat" kehlayi jaaye gi aur agar daylight kuch kahay ga to wo "Fatwa" kehlaye ga :d, Mujhe aaj tak samajh nahin aa saki iss baat ki k agar koi shakhs Ayat k hawalay se batata hai k iskay kya consequences hain to wo fatwa kesay ho gaya ?? Inki rai to hui rai aur meri rai hui fatwa ??? Ya Lal Ajab !!!

Baat start ye hui k aap topic k start se music ko haram keh rahi thi, meine uss par Ahadith pesh ker di about 10 ahadith jis mein music ka use haram qarar nahin dia gaya tha, aap ne uss par kuch nahin kaha balkeh keh dia k ALlah ne isko haram kaha hai issi liye ye haram hai, meine apko challenge dia k Quran mein se music ki hurmat k baaray mein koi ek ayat pesh kar dein kyunke aapka dawa tha k Quran mein Allah ne isko haram kaha hai......Iskay jawab mein aap ne farmaya k ek Hadith hai k jis cheez mein shak ho usko chhor do aur koi ayat pesh na ki........Tub meine wo reply dia jo aap ne yahan bhi post keya hai k jab aapko iskay halal o haram k baaray mein shak tha to isko haram kyun kaha ? aur agar aap ne kaha k ye Quran mein hai to Quran se pesh kyun na keya ?? Jo cheez Quran mein nahin uss k honay par israar kerna kesa amal hai ?? Ussi par meine apko ek ayat sunayi k ye amal kesa hai aur uss ayat par apni rai di k jo iss ayat ki khilaf warzi karay ga wo amlan khudai ka dawa karta hai......intentionally or non-intentionally.

Ya to aap ye kahein k aap ne wo sub kuch nahin keya jo meine opar bayaan keya aur phir mujhe batain k Ayat se meine jo nateeja nikala wo kesay ghalat hai ?? Allah ka kehna hai k "Kon hai jo Allah ki halal qarar di gai cheezon ko haram qarar de day"......... Iss ayat ka zara mujhe matlab samjhain aur ye bhi batain k jo koi Quran ki iss baat k khilaf karay uska tarz e amal kesa ho ga??? Will we appreciate it ?? Ya doosri baat ye hai k aap wo ayat pesh kar dein jiska aapn e Quran mein honay ka dawa keya tha (Magar wo ayat Quran mein nahin hai)........

Islam ye nahin hai k jo dil mein aaye kehtay jaao, prove it or keep silent.

Daylight

Aug 20 2007, 05:01 AM

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MJB said:

Dear FG

main ne uss topic pe DL ko jawab diya hey,,, asoolan yeah jawab aapki taraf se banta tha,,, jis ko main ne sawal bana ke poocha hey

Apki wo post agar aap bura na maanein to main yahan bhi post kar raha hon Aap ne mujhe likha hai k......

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aap in se demand ker rahey hain ayat laney ki,,,, lekin jo ayat qoute ker ke aap ne ilzam lagaya hey,,,, kya aap braye-maharbani wo ayaat paish ker saktey hain,,,, jis main Allah ta'ala ne music ko halal qarar diya hey,,, jis ki bunyad pe aap ne yeah fatwa jari kya hey [aur aap kehti hain k aap hain wo shakhs jo aik aisi cheez ko haram qarar de rahi hain jo Allah ne haram nahin qarar di..... Aur Allah ki halal ki hui cheezon ko haram kehna Khuda k muqaablay mein khud Khuda bun jana hai........ Isnt it ??? ],,,,,,,,,, aur agar aap ke passs aisi koi ayaat nahin hey,,,, tu kya yahi fatwa aap pe lagoo nahin hota ????? ke jo Allah ne nahin farmaya,,,, usko Allah ta'ala se munsoob ker ke ilzaam lagana,,, gunah-e-sagheera ho ga ya gunah-e-kabeera,,, iska faisla aap pe chorta hoon(ilzam tarashi 1 taraf rahi,,, hawala bhi Allah ta'ala ka)

Awwal to ye daawa FG ka tha k Allah ne isko haram qarar de dia hai, issi liye inse meine mutalba keya, Mujse mutalba uss waqt keya jata k jab meine kaha hota k halal honay ki ayat bhi ayi hai
Doosri baat k Quran ka andaz ye hai k wo Haram cheezon ki outline de deta hai k ye ye haram hai, Halal cheezon ki list bana kar nahin deta aur na hi de sakta tha kyunke ye khilaf e aql cheez hoti jisko aagay main bayan bhi kar raha hon........

Jo sawal aap ne keya wohi sawal Uss topic mein apki ek aur moderator Airy Princess mujhse kar chuki hain....... Page 4 post number 74....... Najanay kyun mujse baar baar wohi sawal poochay jaa rahay hain jinka jawab ussi topic mein hi majood hai, bilkul yahi sawal tha aur yahi jawab, aap uss topic mein replies detay rahay, Airy Princess ki uss post se pehle bhi aur baad mein bhi, agar aap ne nahin parha to ye mera kasoor nahin tha, Main Airy princess ka sawal aur apna jawab wahan se copy paste kar raha hon.......see that 6 august ka reply hai ye.

Airy Princess Asked

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Qur'ran pak ki koi aik aesi ayat ka hawala de dou app sab

jiss k andar yeh hou k music jaiz hai

just once plz

woh loag ju keh rahy hain k music haram nahi hai

yeh aik kaam kar dou na tou main man jaaon k app loag sahi ho

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aur Qur'ran pak main se koi aik ayat iss baray la dien

tou main mann lon gi

plz mujhey kisi bhi AHADEES ki book ka hawala nahi chaheye

Main ALLAH pak k diye knowledge par hi yakeen rakhti hon

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Chalein g jesay aap ki khaw-hish Hum direct Quran par aajatay hain..... Main to har tarha se discussion karne pe tayaar hon chahay Ahadith le aao chahay Quran le aao.......NOW ONLY STICK TO QURAN ACCORDING TO YOUR WISH, Lekin masla ye hai k meri baat k jawab mein mujhe jawab nahin gaali parti hai kyunke jab kisi k paas daleel khatam ho jaye to wo ghussay mein yahi kar sakta hai.....

Meine yahan issi topic mein kal kaha tha k Quran ki koi ayat le aao jis mein music ko haram bataya gaya ho, aap ne uska jawab nahin diya balkeh aap ye mutaalba le ayi k apko koi aisi ayat dikhayi jaaye jis emin music ko jaiz kaha gaya ho.......

Ab dekhna ye hai k hum dono mein se kis ki baat ya mutalba aqal k mutabik hai, logical hai aur kis ka mutalba totally il-logical.

Quran mein jaaiz ya halal cheezon ka name by name zikr nahin hai balkeh haram cheezon ka zikr kar k kaha gaya hai k ye haram hain baqi halal....... lehaza agar Quran ne Music ko haram nahin kaha to ye halal hi to hua......

Agar apka kehna hai k nahin Quran ko har jaaiz cheez k baaray mein hukam dena chaahiye tha k falan falan cheez halal hai to Quran mein to kahin par nahin hai k computer use karna halal hai ?? Quran mein to kahin nahin hai k jeans pehni ja sakti hai ?? Quran mein to kahin bhi shalwar kameez ka hukam nahin hai?? Quran mein to kahin bhi nahin kaha gaya k aalo, tamatar, gobhi, bhindiyan etc jaaiz hain...... dikhao mujhe koi ayat jis mein potatoes ko halal kaha gaya ho....... dikhao koi ayat jis mein pizza ya burger ko halal kaha gaya ho......kya har halal item ki alag se ayat honi chahaiye thi ya haram cheezon ki tafseel bata kar bakiyun ko halal k dairay mein rakhna logical tha ??

Apnay mutaalbay ki logic to dekhein zara....... Apki logic k mutabik to potatoes bhi haram huay kyunke Quran mein kahin nahin aya k potatoes halal hain.......

Meri behan , Quran mein haram cheezon ki tafseel majood hai k ye haram hain, aur yehi rule hota hai k jin cheezon par pabandi ho wo bata di jaain baki jaaiz ho jati hain........
Jesay aap kisi school ya college mein admission lein to ek rule book apko di jati hai jis mein ye likha hota hai k aap college ya school mein ye ye kaam nahin kar saktay ye jaaiz nahin hain, ab jin kaamon k baray mein uss rule book mein nahin likha gaya k ye najaiz hain to aap unn kaamon k karnay waalon ko kabhi ye nahin keh sakti k mujhe college rule book mein dikhao k ye karna jaazi hai.....

Aik really common sense ki baat hai , najane aap ne kyun iss tarha challenge k se andaz mein poochi

Koi tishnigi ho to main haazir hon

Khalish

Aug 20 2007, 05:17 AM

QUOTE(Daylight @ Aug 20 2007, 02:48 AM)

Assalam o Alaikum to All

Sub se pehli baat k Miss FG se mera iss post se pehle koi taaruf nahin tha, post bhi araam se chal rahi thi, magar phir achanak FG ki aamad hui aur aaghaaz inhon ne mujhe disgusting keh kar keya........ Phir waqtan fa-waqtan iss topic par aati rahi magar kisi daleel denay k liye nahin balkeh sirf aur sirf mujh par tanzia jumlay kasnay k liye...... Ye topic board par majood hai, koi bhi uss topic se FG ki posts check kar le..... Phir jab inhon ne dekha k main doosray fareeq ki har har baat ko quote kar k usko daleel k saath jawab de raha hon to bajaye iskay k usko accept ya reject karti daleel k bal-bootay par, inhon ne likha k ye shakhs to tankhawdaar lagta hai k har baat ka jawab deta ja raha hai....... Iss tahammul wali post ko bigaarna start keya FG ne, magar main magarmuch k aansu le kar nahin aya k isne ye keh dia isne wo keh dia........ kyunke mujhe maloom hai k discussion k dauraan ghussay mein insan ussi waqt ata hai jab uskay paas koi daleel nahin reh jati......

Now come to this point...... Awwal to ye bouhat ajeeb baat hai k FG agar kuch kahein to wo "Baat" kehlayi jaaye gi aur agar daylight kuch kahay ga to wo "Fatwa" kehlaye ga :d, Mujhe aaj tak samajh nahin aa saki iss baat ki k agar koi shakhs Ayat k hawalay se batata hai k iskay kya consequences hain to wo fatwa kesay ho gaya ?? Inki rai to hui rai aur meri rai hui fatwa ??? Ya Lal Ajab !!!

Baat start ye hui k aap topic k start se music ko haram keh rahi thi, meine uss par Ahadith pesh ker di about 10 ahadith jis mein music ka use haram qarar nahin dia gaya tha, aap ne uss par kuch nahin kaha balkeh keh dia k ALlah ne isko haram kaha hai issi liye ye haram hai, meine apko challenge dia k Quran mein se music ki hurmat k baaray mein koi ek ayat pesh kar dein kyunke aapka dawa tha k Quran mein Allah ne isko haram kaha hai......Iskay jawab mein aap ne farmaya k ek Hadith hai k jis cheez mein shak ho usko chhor do aur koi ayat pesh na ki........Tub meine wo reply dia jo aap ne yahan bhi post keya hai k jab aapko iskay halal o haram k baaray mein shak tha to isko haram kyun kaha ? aur agar aap ne kaha k ye Quran mein hai to Quran se pesh kyun na keya ?? Jo cheez Quran mein nahin uss k honay par israar kerna kesa amal hai ?? Ussi par meine apko ek ayat sunayi k ye amal kesa hai aur uss ayat par apni rai di k jo iss ayat ki khilaf warzi karay ga wo amlan khudai ka dawa karta hai......intentionally or non-intentionally.

Ya to aap ye kahein k aap ne wo sub kuch nahin keya jo meine opar bayaan keya aur phir mujhe batain k Ayat se meine jo nateeja nikala wo kesay ghalat hai ?? Allah ka kehna hai k "Kon hai jo Allah ki halal qarar di gai cheezon ko haram qarar de day"......... Iss ayat ka zara mujhe matlab samjhain aur ye bhi batain k jo koi Quran ki iss baat k khilaf karay uska tarz e amal kesa ho ga??? Will we appreciate it ?? Ya doosri baat ye hai k aap wo ayat pesh kar dein jiska aapn e Quran mein honay ka dawa keya tha (Magar wo ayat Quran mein nahin hai)........

Islam ye nahin hai k jo dil mein aaye kehtay jaao, prove it or keep silent.

Salaam aur buhot buhot shukriya, aap ki wazahat, agar koi ghalat fehmi ho rahi thi, tu usse dour karne meiN madad dey gi. Buhot shukriya.

MaiN ooper arz kar chuka hooN keh mujhe aap ke tarz.e.tehreer se tu ikhtilaaf ho sakta hai iss saare silsile meiN ... lekin usske pus.manzar meiN 'isslah.e.ehwaal' ka jo jazba kar farma hai usse maiN ne kabhi nazar andaaz nahi kiya hai.

Dear FG

umeed hai keh daylight

ki wazahat se ghalat.fehmiyaaN dour ho gaeiN hooNgi ... baat cheet meiN 'samajh ka hair.phair ho jaana koi ghair.mamooli baat nahi hai.

Daylight

Aug 20 2007, 05:23 AM

Well agar main FG, Khawla, Hamzaad, Samrah aur Wasi sahib k "FATWAY" jo uss post mein unhon ne diye hain yahan pesh karon to yakeenan ye mera haq ho ga, Muje hairat hai k khud ye loag personal Attacks kertay huay hadh kartay hain aur jab main inkay kisi amal ya baat ko kisi Ayat k hawalay se pesh kar k kehta hon k ayat k aap ne iss ayat ki khilaf warzi ki hai to ye loag rotay huay yahan aa jatay hain k fatwa lug gaya...... Really amazing!!!

Ab MR. Wasi sahib ki kal ki post dekh lein, pehle issi FG ki baat k hawalay se "Islam" ka naam le kar mujhe naseehat kartay hain aur "personal attack" se bachne ki talkeen kartay hain aur phir ussi "islam" ka naam lenay k baad mujhe inn alqabaat se nawaztay hain,

Gandagi ka dhair
Shaitaan ka cheela

Lekin na to ye baat "fatwa" kehlaye gi aur na hi iss par "Immediate Action" ki duhai......

And i dont want any action on that, even i dont want it to be edited if someone thinks it is un-appropriate. Kyunke sub ko dekhna chaahiye k jab daleel k muqaablay mein insaan zich ho kar reh jata hai to kesay gaaliyun par utar ata hai.....

I dont want to complain about "those", k jab meine Imam Ghazali aur Imam Shokani ka hawala bhi diya k unhon music k jawaz par poori book likhi hai to inn sahibaan ne unn Aima ko bhi nahin bakhsha aur un ko Shaitaan ka laqab denay se baaz nahin rahay...... Aima par aisay fatway denay waalon ki na to koi baaz purs na koi ehtajaaj aur na hi "immediate action" ki appeals....... Lekin ek aam member ko Quran ki ayat kya suna di wo masoom bun kar yahan aa gai........jabke 10 pages k uss topic mein inki posts mein sirf aur sirf mujh par tanzia jumlon k aur kuch nahin hai.............

Iss sub kaarvai par inko sirf itna hi kahon ga "Sadqay Jaavaan"

Forever Green

Aug 20 2007, 07:38 AM

Khalish Bhai.....

baat bahot zyada simple thi ....jo har ek ke samajh mein aagai ke MR DL ka matlab kya tha unhon ne woh Quote kyon kiya aur us ke peeche bhi kya reason tha...ye baat woh yahan bhi quote kar chuke hain ke Mujh pe sara ghussa in sahib ko sirf aur sirf is liye aaya ke mein in ki Favour kyon nahi kar rahi ......in ke itne dalial ke bawajood in ke Music ko Halal kyon nahi maan rahi ..............aur us baat ka ghussa unhon ne is tarha nikala....

Ye bolne ke mahir hay ...har kissi ki key huwi baat ke ek ek lafz ki tashreh apni marzi se karte hain phir chahe likhne wale ke dil-o-dimagh mein woh baat ho bhi nahi...jese apni zaban ki tezi aur jumlon ke istemaal se ye phir apne aap ko saaf bacha ke laey gay ...

Afsos sirf is baat ka hay ke mujhe bahot zyada umeed thi ke shayad aap jesi Motabar hasti m,ere dard ko samjhe gi Khalish bhai ..... Lekin aap mazrat ke saath ke hamesha ki tarha aur DL ki har post ki tarha un se ek baar phir qail ho gay ....aur ye baat mujhe ab samajh aai ke DL itne aaram se aur sar-e-aam kyon sab per ilzaam tarashi karne ke bawajood bhi saaf bach ke nikal jaate hain....

Jitni umeed thi ab woh khatam ho gai..... umeed khatam ho jay to kuch baqi nahi bachta....

jab insaf karne wala hi ek taraf ki baton se qail ho to shikayat karne wala kaha jay ...

Dalil ki zarorat us shakhs ko hoti hay jahan Iman mukamal na ho ........... mera Iman Allah paak ke hukam se kabhi bhi kissi dalil ka Mohtaaj nahi raha kyon ke mein jaanti hoon ke kya sahi hay kya ghalat.......haan Zabaan aur jumlon ka khel nahi aata mujhe is liye convince karne se mehroom rahi hoon hamesha... Lekin is ka matlab ye hargiz nahi ke mein ghalat hoon.....

Khalish bhai... Itne saaf andaz mein is shakhs ne mujh per itna bara Fitwa jari kiya aur aap ko woh baat bahot normal lagi......agar sab ki sooch ek jesi hoti to MJB bhai kabhi bhi DL se Dalil nahi mangte ............un ko ye na kehte ke unhon ne ILZAM TARASHI kyon ki....

Aap achi tarha samajh rahe hain n Thank u All jo is Forum ne Mujhe Itna Bara Tohfa diya jo sari zindagi bhoolne ke kabil nahi...

Aap sab ka bahot shukrya..

Daylight

Aug 20 2007, 08:22 AM

QUOTE

ye baat woh yahan bhi quote kar chuke hain ke Mujh pe sara ghussa in sahib ko sirf aur sirf is liye aaya ke mein in ki Favour kyon nahi kar rahi ......in ke itne dalial ke bawajood in ke Music ko Halal kyon nahi maan rahi ..............aur us baat ka ghussa unhon ne is tarha nikala..

Meine to sirf ye likha k aap ne itna kuch khud kaha mujhe aur topic mein sirf mujh par tanz karne k liye kuch jumlay likh kar chali jaati thi to tub aapko khayal nahin aya ab aapko apni dafa khyaal aya Aur aap to seedhay personal attack karti rahi itnay dins e aur meine Ayat ki roshni mein ek baat kahi wo apko buri lag gai.

Aur meine koi ghussa nahin nikala aur na hi meine kabhi kisi ko kaha hai k koi zaroor meri baat ko maano,...... Mera sirf ek asool hai k Agar koi daleel pesh karta hai aur wo sahi hai aur mujse uska jawab nahin ho pata to apki tarha gaali galoch se kaam nahin leta balkeh usko ya to apna leta hon ya khamosh rehta hon........Aur agar koi ghalat daleel pesh karay to uss par criticism karta hon........ Aapki jo baat mujhe ghalat lagi meine wo baat Quran ki ayat saamnay rakh kar aap sub k saamne rakh di.......

Aap ne kaha k falan cheez Quran mein hai, meine kaha pesh karo, aap pesh nahin kar saki kyunke wo baat Quran mein thi hi nahin, ab mujhe batain k bajaye iskay k aap apni ghalati maan lein k aap ne aik esi baat ko Quran se mansoob keya jo uss mein hai hi nahi to iss mein aap ka kya jata hai Iski bajaye aap mujh par shuru ho gai
Aap mujhe batain k agar koi aisi baat ki nisbat Quran ki taraf karay jo uss mein nahin hai to uskay baaray mein kya kaha jaaye ga?? Uskay tarz e amal ko kya kaha jaaye ga ??

Haan ye main zaroor kahon ga k mere khyal mein aap Shikayat section mein sirf iss liye aayi k aap se asal topic mein koi baat nahin bun payi thi, har har baat ka jawab diya gaya , jiska aapko ghussa tha, socha ho ga k chalo daleel se to baat nahin bani, issue khara karti hon shaaid aisay hi baat bun jaye Opar se female bhi hain to hamdardi bhi mil jaye gi Warna kisi par fatwa nahin diya gaya tha ek general baat thi k jo bhi Quran k sath aisa mazaq karay us k ye ye consequences hotay hain, bus. Warna aise agar yahan main topic lagana shuru kar don to shikayaat k anbaar lug jaain jahan FG and Co. k fatway numa budzubani ko as a complaint le kar likh don.

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Dalil ki zarorat us shakhs ko hoti hay jahan Iman mukamal na ho ........... mera Iman Allah paak ke hukam se kabhi bhi kissi dalil ka Mohtaaj nahi raha kyon ke mein jaanti hoon ke kya sahi hay kya ghalat.......

Lekin jab aap kisi doosray ki baat ko radd karein to uski daleel pesh karna laazmi hai warna khamoshi ikhtayaar karein, aisa hi hona chaahiye na ?? Lekin aap ne aghaaz keya muje Disgusting keh kar aur phir musalsal meri daleel k jawab mein tanz k siva kuch nahin keya, yahan tak k tung aa kar meine ussi topic mein likha jo abhi bhi majood hai k
"FG apka kaam iss topic mein ab sirf hansana ya hansi urana hi reh gaya hai".
Ye tarz e amal ikhtayaar khud keya jaaye aur phir shikayat bhi ki jaaye ....... hairat angaiz baat nahin ??

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agar sab ki sooch ek jesi hoti to MJB bhai kabhi bhi DL se Dalil nahi mangte

Aur meine bhi uss daleel ka jawab yahan hi de diya, aap logon ki tarha daleel maangne k jawab mein gussa ya gali galoch ka muzahira nahin keya....... [color]

[color=red]Mujhe blacklist kerne se Ye bhi khush rahein gi k inki baat se ikhtalaf karne wala nahin reh jaaye ga aur apni baat sahi sabit karne ka agar inkay paas yahi chara reh gaya hai to,
I request to admin to please block me so that Foreevergreen remain happy Inhon ne ek khilaaf e Quran baat ki jiski meine nishaan-dahi ki, inko bura laga, she got hurt, and if blocking me will make her happy and bring back smile on her face then just Block me I will not complain about it. Lastly ForeverGreen, Samrah,Khawlah,Hamzaad,Wasi etc ne mere baaray mein jo ghalat language uss pooray topic mein use ki main uss k liye Allah se dua karta hon k inko aisa kehne par kuch gunah na milay aur umeed karta hon k Allah inko baat ka jawab gaali ki bajaye baat se dene ki taufeeq ata farmaye. Ameen.

Khalish

Aug 20 2007, 12:27 PM

QUOTE(Forever Green @ Aug 20 2007, 05:38 AM)

Khalish Bhai.....

baat bahot zyada simple thi ....jo har ek ke samajh mein aagai ke MR DL ka matlab kya tha unhon ne woh Quote kyon kiya aur us ke peeche bhi kya reason tha...ye baat woh yahan bhi quote kar chuke hain ke Mujh pe sara ghussa in sahib ko sirf aur sirf is liye aaya ke mein in ki Favour kyon nahi kar rahi ......in ke itne dalial ke bawajood in ke Music ko Halal kyon nahi maan rahi ..............aur us baat ka ghussa unhon ne is tarha nikala....

Ye bolne ke mahir hay ...har kissi ki key huwi baat ke ek ek lafz ki tashreh apni marzi se karte hain phir chahe likhne wale ke dil-o-dimagh mein woh baat ho bhi nahi...jese apni zaban ki tezi aur jumlon ke istemaal se ye phir apne aap ko saaf bacha ke laey gay ...

Afsos sirf is baat ka hay ke mujhe bahot zyada umeed thi ke shayad aap jesi Motabar hasti m,ere dard ko samjhe gi Khalish bhai ..... Lekin aap mazrat ke saath ke hamesha ki tarha aur DL ki har post ki tarha un se ek baar phir qail ho gay ....aur ye baat mujhe ab samajh aai ke DL itne aaram se aur sar-e-aam kyon sab per ilzaam tarashi karne ke bawajood bhi saaf bach ke nikal jaate hain....

Jitni umeed thi ab woh khatam ho gai..... umeed khatam ho jay to kuch baqi nahi bachta....

jab insaf karne wala hi ek taraf ki baton se qail ho to shikayat karne wala kaha jay ...

Dalil ki zarorat us shakhs ko hoti hay jahan Iman mukamal na ho ........... mera Iman Allah paak ke hukam se kabhi bhi kissi dalil ka Mohtaaj nahi raha kyon ke mein jaanti hoon ke kya sahi hay kya ghalat.......haan Zabaan aur jumlon ka khel nahi aata mujhe is liye convince karne se mehroom rahi hoon hamesha... Lekin is ka matlab ye hargiz nahi ke mein ghalat hoon.....

Khalish bhai... Itne saaf andaz mein is shakhs ne mujh per itna bara Fitwa jari kiya aur aap ko woh baat bahot normal lagi......agar sab ki sooch ek jesi hoti to MJB bhai kabhi bhi DL se Dalil nahi mangte ............un ko ye na kehte ke unhon ne ILZAM TARASHI kyon ki....

Aap achi tarha samajh rahe hain n Thank u All jo is Forum ne Mujhe Itna Bara Tohfa diya jo sari zindagi bhoolne ke kabil nahi...

Aap sab ka bahot shukrya..

Salaam Behna

Kal raat kaafi masroofiyat rahi iss post ki wajah se .. maiN iss umeed per offline ho gaya keh kaafi baateiN ho gaee haiN ... aur ehbaab apne apne rawayye per nazr.e.saani karke baat ko khatam kar daiNge... behas baraaey behas se na pehle kabhi koi nateeja nikla hai na abb nikle ga.

Ab tak jis pehlu ko maiN ne daanista haath nahi lagaya tha voh 'hurt' hone waali baat thi. Post maiN bhi daikh chuka hooN, aur wahaan jo kuch bhi kaha gaya hai voh bhi record meiN mojood hai..

MaiN ne yahaan yehi samjhaane ki koshish ki hai keh behas.o.mubahise meiN garma garmi ho jaati hai ... loog apne nazaryaat/ghalat.fehmiyaan na itni aasaani se badalte haiN na dour karne ki koshish karte haiN. Baat dalaail se ho aur daleel ko tasleem karne ka zarf ho tu baat aage chalti hai .. warna jhagra he rehta hai.

Aap yaqeenan buhot ghussay meiN haiN ... aap ne jo kuch kaha usse meiN issi tarah samajhta hooN keh chooti si behan ghusse meiN hai aur jo chahti hai keh rahi hai .. lekin behan tu meri he hai ... kuch dair ki baat hai ghussa utar jaaey ga aur maiN usse mana kar khail kood meiN laga looNga.

Mazhab (deen) meiN 'raey' aur 'agar' 'magar' ki gunjaaish nahi hoti .. yahaan tu 'absolute authoritative orders hain' ... jinko sunne aur amal karne ke elaawah kuch aur darkaar nahi hai.

Aap ko iss saare silsile meiN jiss koft ka saamna karna para, uss ke liye maiN ma'azrat khwah hooN ... maza tark.e.ta'aluq meiN nahi hai .. maza tu iss baat meiN hai keh hum hamaisha 'dosrooN ke liye apne dilloN meiN gunjaaish rakhaiN' aur husn.e.salook ka sawaab kamaaeiN.

Khush RahaiN

Forever Green

Aug 20 2007, 07:05 PM

Khalish Bhai.....

Yahan Baat Mere IMAN Per aai hay, Iman ke elawa koi aur baat hoti to aap mujh se ye Umeed rakh sakte the ke shayad mera Ghussa utar jay, Lekin jis tarha ka Ilzaam inhon ne mujh pe lagaya US KI TASDEEQ AAP NE KI.....

Yani ke Ye sahib MUSIC ko Halal qarar deke Mujh pe Gunah gaar ka Thappa Laga gay aur AAp ne kaha ke aap ko un ki koi Baat ghalat nahi lagi Jis ka Matlab yahi huwa ke aap ki Nazar mein bhi MuSIC halal hi hay aur us ko Haraam kehne wala GunahGaar hay....

Aap agar sirf aur sirf mujhe ye kehne ki Bajay MR DL ko ek dafa ye keh dete ke woh bhi apne rawaye per zara Ghoor karen to shayad administration per sab ka bharosa aur zyada ho jata,,,

Herat ka Muqam to ye hay ke mein ne DL ke khilaaf issi section mein bahot si shikayaat dekhi hain lekin un ke khilaaf koi action nahi liya gaya.... abhi bhi aap ye mante ho ke mein ro dho ke ghussa kar ke chup ho jao gi aur AAP KE FAV MOHAZAB member MR DL apni man'mani jaari rakhen ge to ye bahot hi ghalat sooch hay ....

MR DL baar baar mujh se Dalel maang rahe hain aur aap bhi to, aap mujhe ye bataen ke mein Quran paak meinse kahan se dhoond ke laaon da correct word M.U.S.I.C bilkul issi speling ke saath ke jee Falan AAyat mein likha hay ke M.U.S.I.C haraam hay ..... Jo jante hain aur Maante hain woh andha aetaqaad bhi rakhte hain un ko kissi dalil ki zarorat nahi ....

Sach ka sirf ek hi chehra hota hay aur jhoot ke 100, jis ka saboot DL de rahe hain..

Mujhe aap ki Mazrat ki zaroor nahi hay ..... Mujhe aap ke insaaf ki zarorat THI

Intahai Afsos ki baat hay ke Being a muslim hum Islam section mein nahi ja sakte.... Bahot se members sirf issi dar se wahan nahi jaate ke kahin un per bhi koi Fazool ilzam laga ke un ke IMAN ki Tazlil na kar di jay ... Mein ne sach ka saath diya sach ko pasand kiya jis ki in Sahib ko itni takleef huwi aur jis ko ye Tanziya qaraar de rahe hain .... agar ye sache hain to in ko koi farq nahi parna chahye tha lekin woh sara Ghubaar jama karte rahe aur is taraha ulat diya

KYON KE YE JAANTE THE KE ADMINISTRATION IN KE SAATH HAY...

Khalish bhai...Mujhe samjhane ke bajay aap ek dafa In Sahib ko bhi apne rawaye aur is tarha ilzaam tarashiyon per nazar saani ki Darkhwast karen kyon ke aap ke rawaye se lagta hay ke aap Darkhwast hi karen ge Kahen ge nahi.....

Aap ka Khaas Toor se BAHOT BAHOT shukrya Khalish BHAIIIIIIII

Khalish

Aug 20 2007, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(Forever Green @ Aug 20 2007, 05:05 PM)

Khalish Bhai.....

Yahan Baat Mere IMAN Per aai hay, Iman ke elawa koi aur baat hoti to aap mujh se ye Umeed rakh sakte the ke shayad mera Ghussa utar jay, Lekin jis tarha ka Ilzaam inhon ne mujh pe lagaya US KI TASDEEQ AAP NE KI.....

Yani ke Ye sahib MUSIC ko Halal qarar deke Mujh pe Gunah gaar ka Thappa Laga gay aur AAp ne kaha ke aap ko un ki koi Baat ghalat nahi lagi Jis ka Matlab yahi huwa ke aap ki Nazar mein bhi MuSIC halal hi hay aur us ko Haraam kehne wala GunahGaar hay....

Aap agar sirf aur sirf mujhe ye kehne ki Bajay MR DL ko ek dafa ye keh dete ke woh bhi apne rawaye per zara Ghoor karen to shayad administration per sab ka bharosa aur zyada ho jata,,,

Herat ka Muqam to ye hay ke mein ne DL ke khilaaf issi section mein bahot si shikayaat dekhi hain lekin un ke khilaaf koi action nahi liya gaya.... abhi bhi aap ye mante ho ke mein ro dho ke ghussa kar ke chup ho jao gi aur AAP KE FAV MOHAZAB member MR DL apni man'mani jaari rakhen ge to ye bahot hi ghalat sooch hay ....

MR DL baar baar mujh se Dalel maang rahe hain aur aap bhi to, aap mujhe ye bataen ke mein Quran paak meinse kahan se dhoond ke laaon da correct word M.U.S.I.C bilkul issi speling ke saath ke jee Falan AAyat mein likha hay ke M.U.S.I.C haraam hay ..... Jo jante hain aur Maante hain woh andha aetaqaad bhi rakhte hain un ko kissi dalil ki zarorat nahi ....

Sach ka sirf ek hi chehra hota hay aur jhoot ke 100, jis ka saboot DL de rahe hain..

Mujhe aap ki Mazrat ki zaroor nahi hay ..... Mujhe aap ke insaaf ki zarorat THI

Intahai Afsos ki baat hay ke Being a muslim hum Islam section mein nahi ja sakte.... Bahot se members sirf issi dar se wahan nahi jaate ke kahin un per bhi koi Fazool ilzam laga ke un ke IMAN ki Tazlil na kar di jay ... Mein ne sach ka saath diya sach ko pasand kiya jis ki in Sahib ko itni takleef huwi aur jis ko ye Tanziya qaraar de rahe hain .... agar ye sache hain to in ko koi farq nahi parna chahye tha lekin woh sara Ghubaar jama karte rahe aur is taraha ulat diya

KYON KE YE JAANTE THE KE ADMINISTRATION IN KE SAATH HAY...

Khalish bhai...Mujhe samjhane ke bajay aap ek dafa In Sahib ko bhi apne rawaye aur is tarha ilzaam tarashiyon per nazar saani ki Darkhwast karen kyon ke aap ke rawaye se lagta hay ke aap Darkhwast hi karen ge Kahen ge nahi.....

Aap ka Khaas Toor se BAHOT BAHOT shukrya Khalish BHAIIIIIIII

QUOTE

Yani ke Ye sahib MUSIC ko Halal qarar deke Mujh pe Gunah gaar ka Thappa Laga gay aur AAp ne kaha ke aap ko un ki koi Baat ghalat nahi lagi Jis ka Matlab yahi huwa ke aap ki Nazar mein bhi MuSIC halal hi hay aur us ko Haraam kehne wala GunahGaar hay....

Azeeza, sara masla tu yehi hai. Isske halaal.o.haraam ka faisla tu kitaab.o.sunnat se hona hai .. aur itni lambi behas ho kis baat per rahi hai?

Aik aur baat, yahaan per kisi ke imaan per baat nahi aa rahi, siyaaq.o.sabaaq ko alag kar leyne se guftago ka matlab kaheiN se kaheiN nikal jaata hai. Hum aksar aisi situation ko refer karte haiN keh 'farz kijiay aap youN karte haiN' yahaan aap se muraad aap nahi hota ... yeh general istihaara hai baat ko samjhaane ka.

Rahi baat Daylight ko kuch kehne ki tu behna woh buhot acchi tarah jaaNte haiN keh agar voh zadd per aate tu maiN unhaiN 'spare' nahi karta. MaiN aur daylight aik dosray ko kam az kam 5 saal se HC per daikh rahe haiN.

Jo kuch maiN ne parha usski roo se unhooN ne aap ko directly kuch nahi kaha hai ... agar kuch kehte tu voh mujhe aap se ziyaadah azeez nahi haiN ... aur behna, I really mean it.

Forever Green

Aug 20 2007, 08:15 PM

Bhai ...........

mein yahan per Behas karne nahi aai .......na hi mujhe is tarha ke mahool mein sakoon milta hay ...

Haraam aur Halal ko ek Taraf rakhen ... Hum yahan ye Faisla nahi karne aaye ke Islam kmmein kya halal hay aur kya nahi ....Yahan Baat meri ho rahi hay mujh pe lagay gay Ilzaam ki ....

Aap keh rahe hain ke mujh per inhon ne directly koi Ilzaam tarashi nahi ki....to plzzz is Quote ko ek baar phir ghoor se aur tasali se parhen

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Allah ne Quran mein kaha hai k "Kon hai wo shakhs jo ALlah ki halal ki gai cheezon ko haram qarar de day".......

Yani Allah ne challenge dia hai k akhir kon hai wo , aur aap kehti hain k aap hain wo shakhs jo aik aisi cheez ko haram qarar de rahi hain jo Allah ne haram nahin qarar di..... Aur Allah ki halal ki hui cheezon ko haram kehna Khuda k muqaablay mein khud Khuda bun jana hai........ Isnt it ??? Lekin aap ko maamlay ki nazakat tak ka ilm nahin, apko ye tak ilm nahin k kisi halal cheez ko haram qarar de dena kitna bara gunah hai......... Aur phir uss cheez ko haram kehna jiskay baaray mein aap khud "shak" mein hain.......

Saaf Alfaaz mein inhon ne kaha hay mujhe ke "Aap kehti hain ke Aap hain woh Shakhs"

kese munsif ho aap Khalish bhai....Aap ko itne wazih alfaaz hi nahi samajh aarahe ...Mazrat ke saath ..........aap Waqi apne 5 saal ke saath ka saboot de rahe hain ....

Mein dobara kahon gi ke inhon ne mujh per ilzaam lagaya hay saaf saaf alfaaz mein lagaya hay aur aap insaaf karne ke bajay meri ye picture potrait kar rahe ho ke mein ek ziddi aur fazool larki hoon...

Iman ke liye mein apni jaan bhi de doon jab tak mujhe aap wazih jawaab nahi dein ge DL ko is baat ke liye warn nahi karen ge mere dil ko sakoon nahi aaye ga...

Behas apni jaga per thi lekin meinne kabhi bhi in per directly koi tohmat nahi lagai in ka naam leke kuch nahi kaha .........lekin inhon ne aesa kiya hay aur aap is baat ko baar bar deny kar rahe ho....

ya to aap saaf saath keh dein ke aap Mujhe Ghalat gardante ho to mein chup ho jaon gi ya aap is baat ka safi aur munsifana fasla karen .........

Khawlah

Aug 20 2007, 08:47 PM

@ my Dear Siso forEvergreen !

Samjh nahi Aa raha k .....Kia Kahoon...Main tumhari feelings ko Samjh sakti hun...Kiyun k Main bhi isi tarha Hurt Hui thi....Or ......Jo Response Tumhain Mila Same wohi mujhay Mila.....Mujhay Tumhary , Samrah ,Shoby4u n Hamzaad k Replies se....hi hosla mila tha tu main Dobara...Aa gai...Warna..Dil Aany ko Bilkul nahi Kar raha Tha..

Mera Khayal hai k...Hum nay Yahan Apni..Complaint..Record Karwa kar Ghalti ki Hai...Kiyun k...
Agar Hamaray...Moderators ko. Agar...MR DL ki....in Baatoon par Objection hota tu Wo Meray Ya tumhary Kahay Baghair bhi Mod Of the Forum honay k natay...Az-Khud Notice lay saktay thay....MaGar inhoon nay aisa Nahi Kia.....Lehaza Ye sabit karta hai k....Asal main.....Jo Thinking...MR Dl ki hai Wohi In Mods ki bhi hai...Lehaza ye Loog Majboor hain.....iss Qism ki kisi bhi....complaint par koi Action tu Kuja.....Ye Mazammat bhi nahi Kar saktay k........Mr DL....Aap Doosroon ki Posts par Apnay views tu Dain MAgar Iss Had Tak na Jaain k...Kisi ko Toheen-e-Risalat....Or kisi ko Toheen-e- --------- ka Murtakib Qarar dain .......Magar Aisa nahi Hua Lehaza....Main tu....Sabar kar k Relax hu Chuki hun Or Tum ko bhi Ye hi Kahoon Gi .....Sabar Karo....ALLAh Sabar karnay Waloon k Saath Hai....Allah Pak Bohat achi tarha jaantay hain k .....Hamaray diloon Main Kia hai....humay kisi Insaan se sanad nahi laini......Allah Hum se Razi ho jaye isi main Hamri nijaat hai.

GoD Bless You...
Sada Khush Raho....Aameen...

Daylight

Aug 20 2007, 08:48 PM

Exaggeration !!! sirf ek aur shikayat thi wo bhi apki sathi ki hi, jiska tasalli bakhsh jawab unko MJB de chukay thay ussi post mein. Chief Justice k baaray mein hakumat k paas kayi shikayat thi to kya iska matlab ye hua k jis shakhs k mutallik zyada shikayaat hon wo ghalat hi ho ga ye bhi to ho sakta hai na k loag zaatiyaat ki wajah se uskay peechay parr gaye hon hota hai na aisa.

Doosri baat k meine music k haram kehne par aapko kuch nahin kaha, 1 month se post chal rahi hai meine kisi bhi aur member ko kuch kaha?? nahin na, meine sirf uss waqt kaha jab aap ne kaha k ye Quran mein hai, aur jab ke wo Quran mein nahin hai aur aap bhi pesh nahin kar saki to apko ye kehne ka haq kesay tha k wo cheez Quran mein bhi hai ?? Mera point sirf aur sirf itna tha k jo cheez Quran mein nahin uskay baaray mein ye kehna k ye Quran mein bhi hai kitni ghalat baat hai........Isko aap mind kar gai.
Aur jab aap music ya "ghana" ka lafz Quran mein as a haram nahin laa sakti ya dhoond sakti to apko kisne kaha tha k uska Quran mein honay ka dawa karein ??

Kya aap samajhti hain k har ek ko iski ijazat honi chaahiye k apnay point of view ko saabit karne k liye kisi bhi baat k baray mein keh de k wo Quran mein hai ??? Chahay wo Quran mein na bhi ho......kya aisa karna theek hai ??? Thanday dil se soch kar batain. Topic mein itnay saaray logon ne meri baat ki mukhalfat ki meine kisi ko kuch nahin kaha, apko jo kaha to wo issi baat par kaha k aap ne ek ghalat baat Quran se mansoob ki.......Warna batain kisi aur ko kyun nahin kaha ??
Aap se mera zameen ka jhagra to hai nahi.

Jahan tak Administration ki baat hai wo bilkul bhi mere saath nahin hai....ye baat aap bhool jain, aap khud dekh lein k ussi ek topic mein apkay kitne moderators aur global moderators ne mere mauqaf k khilaaf points diye....... MJB, Fadi, Irrational Methane, Airy Princess etc lehaza administration ne to meri baat ki mukhalfat ki, wo mere sath kesay ho gaye?? Haan ikhtalaf e rai sirf ikhtalaf e rai tak rahay to theek hai.....

Aap ne apnay ravayyah k baary mein ek lafz bhi nahin kaha k topic mein entry se le kar aap musalsal sirf mujh par tanzia jumlay kehne aati rahi, kya iss par aap ko warning nahin di jani chahaiye?? Mujhe atay hi disgusting kaha jabke apka nick uss din pehli baar meine dekha, ye kesa tarz e amal hai wo bhi Islam section mein ?? Aap kehti hain k hum islam section mein nahin jaa saktay, to behna agar aap ne islam section mein tanz aur doosron ko disgusting aur tankhawdaar kehne hi jana hai to kya ye behtar nahin k aap wahan jaa kar sirf parhein jab tak k aap doosron ko bura bhala kehne ki adat se chhutkara na paa lein kam az kam islam section mein.
Aapko tab to ehsaas hua jab aap hurt hui lekin itnay din se aap jo language use karti rahi uss waqt aapko ehsaas nahin hua k koi apki iss language se bhi hurt ho sakta hai ??? Kya feelings sirf aap larkiyun ki hi hoti hain?? Bakiyun ki feelings , feelings hi nahin hoti ??

Aakhir mein main aap se aur khalish bhai se maafi maangta hon k meri baat se aap hurt huaye aur jis baat mein FG ka zikr hai main apne wo alfaz wapis leta hon iss editing k sath k FG nahin balkeh agar koi aam shakhs yani daylight ho ya MJB ho ya Abdullah ho ya Khalish, koi bhi agar kisi aisi baat ko Quran ki taraf mansoob karta hai jo uss mein nahin hai to usko apnay eeman ka bharpoor jaiza lena chahaiye aur apni iss harkat par Allah se maafi maangni chaahiye......

Jesa k FG ne kaha k inko tasalli tub hi ho gi jab tak mujhe warning na milay to inki tasalli k liye mujhe to bilkul ye baat manzoor hai Mera inse koi zaati ikhtalaf nahin, mujhe jo baat Quran k mutabik lagi meine keh di, inse koi zati ikhtalaf nahin, she is just like my sister aur yakeen karein k agar meri behan bhi aisa kuch kehti to main usko bhi yahi kehta.... to khalish bhai aap ya koi aur global moderator mujhe khoob daant kar ek warning zaroor de day....... FG ki Smile se zyada aur kuch nahin chaahiye

Forever Green

Aug 20 2007, 09:16 PM

Sab se pehle Ek baat ..........

Mein ne apni kissi bhi post mein Quraan paak ka hawala de ke nahi kaha ke Quraan paak mein Music ko halal ya haram qarar diya gaya hay to aap ki ye tohmat bilkul hi be bunyaad hay ....

Doosri baat ......

Aap baar baar keh rahe ho ke mein ne AAP ke liye word DisGustiong istemaal kiya .....jabke mein is baat ki wazahat Page 5, post 86 mein de chuki hoon ke dat word did not use for ne perticullar person.... Aap ek ek lafz ki to summary karte ho lekin jahan mein ne explanation di woh baat aap wazih hi nahi kar rahe ..... aap ko shak hay to aap ab bhi woh post check kar sakte ho "IS LIYE U CAN NOT BLAME ME FOR DAT EITHER"

Ab aate hain Mud'de ki taraf....

Agar mein ne Quran paak ka hawala deke koi baat ki hi nahi to aap ye mujh pe ye ilzaam lagana sara sar be bunyad, tohmat, aur mere IMAN ki toheen tha... [Size]

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Aakhir mein main aap se aur khalish bhai se maafi maangta hon k meri baat se aap hurt huaye aur jis baat mein FG ka zikr hai main apne wo alfaz wapis leta hon iss editing k sath k FG nahin balkeh agar koi aam shakhs yani daylight ho ya MJB ho ya Abdullah ho ya Khalish, koi bhi agar kisi aisi baat ko Quran ki taraf mansoob karta hai jo uss mein nahin hai to usko apnay eeman ka bharpoor jaiza lena chahaiye aur apni iss harkat par Allah se maafi maangni chaahiye......

Jesa k FG ne kaha k inko tasalli tub hi ho gi jab tak mujhe warning na milay to inki tasalli k liye mujhe to bilkul ye baat manzoor hai Mera inse koi zaati ikhtalaf nahin, mujhe jo baat Quran k mutabik lagi meine keh di, inse koi zati ikhtalaf nahin, she is just like my sister aur yakeen karein k agar meri behan bhi aisa kuch kehti to main usko bhi yahi kehta.... to khalish bhai aap ya koi aur global moderator mujhe khoob daant kar ek warning zaroor de day....... FG ki Smile se zyada aur kuch nahin chaahiye

[size="3"]mein yahi chahti thi ke ghalti karne wala ek baar apne lehje per ghoar zaroor kare Administration ne to ye nahi kiya but i am Glade dat u atleast admit dat...

Mujhe bhi aap se koi zaati ikhtelaaf nahi is liye aap ke alfaaz jo aap ne kahe ke Quraan paak ke hawale ne negetive baat karne per aap zaroor bolo ge to achi baat hay LEKIn ye mujh pe laago nahi hote ... jahan tak baat aap ki excuse ki hay i accept dat...

Last baat .......Aap ne to maan liya ke aap ne ye sab kaha aur mujhe hi kaha kyon ke aap ye samjhte the ke mein ne Quraan ke hawale se ghalat baat ki .....lekin Administration ne ye nahi mana ke aap ne mere liye koi ghalat baat ki hay ...

Khair jee ...Aap bhi khush rehyee ... Ek Darkhwast hay .... Aap ki explanation ka tareqa apni jaga ...lekin aap plzzz har kissi ke ek ek jumle ka apni marzi se tashree karna choor dein ...is se dilon mein mael aati hay ....

Thanks....

Forever Green

Aug 20 2007, 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Khawlah @ Aug 20 2007, 07:47 AM)

@ my Dear Siso forEvergreen !

Samjh nahi Aa raha k .....Kia Kahoon...Main tumhari feelings ko Samjh sakti hun...Kiyun k Main bhi isi tarha Hurt Hui thi....Or ......Jo Response Tumhain Mila Same wohi mujhay Mila.....Mujhay Tumhary , Samrah ,Shoby4u n Hamzaad k Replies se....hi hosla mila tha tu main Dobara...Aa gai...Warna..Dil Aany ko Bilkul nahi Kar raha Tha..

Mera Khayal hai k...Hum nay Yahan Apni..Complaint..Record Karwa kar Ghalti ki Hai...Kiyun k...
Agar Hamaray...Moderators ko. Agar...MR DL ki....in Baatoon par Objection hota tu Wo Meray Ya tumhary Kahay Baghair bhi Mod Of the Forum honay k natay...Az-Khud Notice lay saktay thay....MaGar inhoon nay aisa Nahi Kia.....Lehaza Ye sabit karta hai k....Asal main.....Jo Thinking...MR Dl ki hai Wohi In Mods ki bhi hai...Lehaza ye Loog Majboor hain.....iss Qism ki kisi bhi....complaint par koi Action tu Kuja.....Ye Mazammat bhi nahi Kar saktay k........Mr DL....Aap Doosroon ki Posts par Apnay views tu Dain MAgar Iss Had Tak na Jaain k...Kisi ko Toheen-e-Risalat....Or kisi ko Toheen-e- --------- ka Murtakib Qarar dain .......Magar Aisa nahi Hua Lehaza....Main tu....Sabar kar k Relax hu Chuki hun Or Tum ko bhi Ye hi Kahoon Gi .....Sabar Karo....ALLAh Sabar karnay Waloon k Saath Hai....Allah Pak Bohat achi tarha jaantay hain k .....Hamaray diloon Main Kia hai....humay kisi Insaan se sanad nahi laini......Allah Hum se Razi ho jaye isi main Hamri nijaat hai.

GoD Bless You...
Sada Khush Raho....Aameen...

Aap ki support ka bahot shukrya sisoo.....

Khush rehye

*DhanaK*

Aug 20 2007, 11:33 PM

FG salaams
don't worry
stay!

TANHA JAAN

Aug 20 2007, 11:38 PM

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MUJH PER NA-AOZUBILLAH KHUDAI KA DAWA KARNE KA FITWA LAGAYA GAYA HAY

Agar is Forum mein yahi sab hona hay to koi apne Iman ki Tazlil ke dar se kabhi ye Forum join nahi kare ga....

Mera Iman mere saath Lekin mein is Shakhs ko aese nahi choor sakti .... Aap Management team se Darkhawst hay ke ye jo Aalim Fazil bane huwe hain aur dharle se har us shakhs per fitwe laga rahe hain jo inki baat se mukhalfat kare ...is Shakhs ko Black list kiya jay aur Aese shakhs ke khilaaf serious Action liya jay ...

Khalish Bhai, Abdullah Bhai aur Big B bhai ki special Tawajoh chahye mujhe...

Shukrya ....

SIR ADMIN MAIN AAP SAY REQUEST KARTA HU ISS BARAY MAIN KUCH KARAY HUM YAHA AIK FAMILY KI TARAH HAIN ..OR FAMILY MAIN AISEE BAATIEN ZAIB NAHI DATEE

PLZ SIR ISS BAAT KA NOTICE LAY
SHUKRIYA

*DhanaK*

Aug 20 2007, 11:58 PM

thanks to Abdullah bhai for closing that topic.
yahan wala bhi band hi kar dein to accha hai,we all had enough.

shukriya

Forever Green

Aug 21 2007, 12:08 AM

Mera Maqsad ghalti karne wale ko ghalti ka Ehsas dilana tha ...

I am Glade dat DL has took his words back for me...

Mujhe ab koi aetraaz nahi ye post close karne per..

I hope dis wont happen again...Kyon jis takeef aur dard se mein guzri hoon Allah kare koi bhi dobara aesi takleef ka shikaar na ho ...Aamin

Thank You all for your support

Khalish

Aug 21 2007, 01:44 AM

QUOTE(Forever Green @ Aug 20 2007, 10:08 PM)

Mera Maqsad ghalti karne wale ko ghalti ka Ehsas dilana tha ...

I am Glade dat DL has took his words back for me...

Mujhe ab koi aetraaz nahi ye post close karne per..

I hope dis wont happen again...Kyon jis takeef aur dard se mein guzri hoon Allah kare koi bhi dobara aesi takleef ka shikaar na ho ...Aamin

Thank You all for your support

Chalye ab baat clear ho gaee hai ... aur kaha suna maaf ho gaya hai

Lets move on to address the rest of the problems in the world

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