Success is not the key to happiness..
Happiness is the key to Success..
If you Love what you are doing.. You will definitely be Successful..

as it has been said..

choose a job you love.. you will never ever have to work your whole life..

I'm of exactly the same opinion

Gracias!!!

Is it ?

spanish kub sia sekhne shorow ker de

yes it is.. do you have any example to contradict?

jab se french se dil bhara hai

waise ye tum ne kiya GOTHIC siggi lagaye howe hein?

lolz.. ye kab se???

i dont think so...!!

sure.. but i would really appreciate if you could also mention a justification to your disagreement.. why do you disagree with this fact???

i agree wid u totally...

if u aint happy .. ur neva goin to b successful .. lekin kuch loog success k craze main happiness ko side par rakh dete hain ... dey regret it at da end !

Hamare teacher hamein btatay thay k unkay parents ne zabardasti unko CA ki field mein bhej dia, wo na to uss waqt iss se khush thay aur na hi aaj khush hain, magar happiness na honay k bawajood he succeeded in doing CA and getting a really good job. Aisay aur bhi loag hon gay yakeenan jo apnay shoba hae zindagi mein kaamyaab hyn magar wo uss job ya profession se khush ya mutmain nahi.

i dont agree @ Happiness is key to success ..
and BNK gave gud example ..

Thats absolutely right.. aur mein tumhari baat ko support keroun ga apney jawaab mein for BNK and Uncertain..

am replying in regard to both your reply and BNK's reply & example..
let me put two scenarios infront of you..
1. when someone is doing what brings success and happiness to him/her
2. when someone is doing what brings success to him/her but no happiness

in the first case.. happiness and success is there.. when you are happy in what you do.. you get successful.. and thats a fact.. if you are doing something whole heartedly and you tend to put everything you got in it.. then success is guarateed.. plus.. happiness leading to success results in more happiness.. and examples are not juss a few cases but almost the whole world out there.. this concept of forced career choosing jis ki example di hai BNK ne.. its just in Pakistan.. ive lived 13 years in paris.. and ive been in that community and society since my birth.. my family my parents never imposed anything on me.. ke buss engineer bano ya doctor bano ya phir acca kero.. instead.. they let me choose what i wanted to be.. and Alhamdullilah am a software engineer and successful and ive been always happy in doing what i did so am excelling.. thats how people become singers, poets, artists, actors, mathematicians, teachers, plumbers, rally racers, fighters, sportsmen, newscasters, etc etc.. coz these fields are what they choose for themselves with their happiness.. and when you are happy in doing something.. automatically efficiency comes in your work, you dont get tired doing the same job day to day, you do work with passion and perfection and a spirit to excell, ultimately you get money, you get fame, you get successful with your happiness completely in it.. even in the long run, when you get old, and its time to retire.. you retire with happy memories, without any regrets.. like a fire fighter retires after 50 years of service, ofcourse all those pictures and memories of his friends and the moments they have been together during the job, the tough routines, challenges, happy n sad moments, he remembers them all, he cherishes his memories, and sitting with his grand children, he tells them stories of how he used to work and do this n that.. so its a happy ending.. to be honest seriously its like a happily ever after.. coz he never sacrificed his happiness over getting money, fame, fortune, success, etc.. and thats the essence of his life that he has..

now lets go to the other scenario..

now if there is someone that starts doing something under certain pressures, difficulties, and no affiliations to the job or the field.. tu uss ne tu start hi ghalat lia hai.. jis imarat ki buniyaadein kamzor houn.. uss pe 50 saaloun mein 50 manzilein bhi tameer ker do tab bhi uss ko aik na aik din girna hi hota hai.. aik kaam ka aghaz hi bad dili se ho tu uss ka anjam tu automatically bura hona hi hai coz neeyat hi na ho tu kaam mein barkat kahan se ati hai.. aur phir emotional baatoun ko chalo mein side pe rakhta houn.. logically prove ker deta houn.. apni misaal de ker.. suppose my parents wanted me to become a doctor.. although am least interested in being a doc.. i hate biology and anatomy.. lekin i am struggling through it.. har roz raat ko soney se pehley dekhta houn ke merey dost engineers ban rehey hein.. they are inventing new things, going into the hi-tech world aur mein yahan pe bacteria viruses mein phansa howa houn.. still chalo kisi na kisi tarah.. i manage to complete my doctory.. lekin.. even at the convocation day.. even while recieving the degree.. even while throwing the graduate caps in the air with my whole university batch.. i have one feeling in my heart.. ke KAASH.!!! so that kaash remains there in my heart.. time guzar jata hai.. mujhe khushi tu koi khas nahi hai.. lekin haan success mil jata hai.. kisi hostpital mein job mil jati hai.. acha paisa kama leta houn.. jitna ke almost koi aur bhi hota tab bhi kama leta.. aur buss aik 9 to 5 routine job start.. na koi khas mehnat.. na koi lagan.. na koi shauk.. interest less kaam kerta rehta houn.. coz deep inside.. that KAASH is teasing me all the time.. jab mein milney jata houn apney doston se and they tell me ke yaar, ajj humari new product ka launch hai.. japanese companies and americans are coming for the premiere and launch of the product.. we have international exposure and market.. tab meri wo KAASH cheekh cheekh ker keh rehee ho gi ke mein bhi un ki jagah pe kioun nahi houn.. lekin phir mein bad dil ho ker next day chala jaoun ga apna wohi aik bag utha ker aik room ke clinic mein.. halankey jo log khushi se doctor baney houn ge.. wo uss kamrey ko bhi apni janat samjhein ge.. lekin mein nahi samjhoun ga.. waqt guzarta jaye ga.. aur merey saath ke buhat sarey doctors kitni kisam ki specializations like DABS, FRCS, FCPS, etc etc ker chukey hein ge.. koi orthopedics koi neurology etc etc.. aur mein kioun ke apney MBBS ke 5 saaloun mein itna khuwaar ho ho ker apni degree ker ke aya houn ga.. so mein apni wohi 40,50 hazaar ki pay se khush baash baitha rahoun ga coz mein janta houn mein dobara apni khushi ko kurban ker ke ab phir se uss azaab wali studies mein nahi jana chahta jis ko mein ne zabardasti kabool kia tha.. ho sakta hai mein buhat mashoor MBBS general physician ban jaoun.. but still the KAASH never goes.. time goes on.. aur phir mein retire ho jata houn.. aur mein apney bachoun ko aur apney grand children ko apni koi stories nahi sunata.. chirchira ban jata houn.. coz meri sari life hi aik majboori mein guzri hai.. aur phir wo success jo mujhe mila tha, wo paisa, wo shuhrat, wo sab chor chaar ker issi duniya mein aik bura sa dil ley ker aik aas aur regrets ke saath aik din.. meri maut ho jati hai..

so.. mujh mashoor o maroof, successful, paisey waley MBBS doctor se behter aik mamooli fire fighter howa na???

kam se kam khush aur baghair kisi regret ke tu gaya hai na iss duniya se..!!!!

this is the long run and the perfect example to prove that happiness is the only key to success..
and happiness being a key to success guarantees more happiness without any regrets after success.. BUT
if you think success is the key to happiness, then success not based on happiness but based on forcefull imposure may give you some happiness at the end.. but
it would never be pure happiness.. and it would always have regrets and too many KAASH's in it..

i hope ive made myself lucid here..

[size="3"]Well ...i do agree wid ya on 1 side like Happiness brings success...

But on other side i dont agree wid ya dat success dosnt bring happiness,

in ma opinion sum time u have to do things dat u never wanted to but dat brings u alot of hapiness...

leme give ya a simple example of Islam..... In Islaam Success will bring happiness ...As we have been told By Our Prophet SAW dat " Sab se Bara jihaad Nafs per Qabu pana hay ...aur jis ne aesa kiya Us ne Falah Pai"

Nafs per Qabu pane ka Matlab hay ke woh kaam aap na karo jis mein aap ko khushi milti hay apni khwahishaat ko maarne ka naam hi Nafs per Qabu pana hay ...

Is baat se to ye baat Saaf Zahir hoti hay ke Success will Bring happiness[size]

Ek baat Aur .................. Woh Loog jo sirf Wohi Kaam karen Jis mein Unko Khushi ho Aese Loogon ko Shayad "Selfish" Kaha Jaata hay ....

Agar Islaam ki Baat ki jay(Jo ke hamen Karni Chahye) to Har Us kaam mein Falah (Success) Hay Jis mein doosron ki khushi ho ... Aur Bahot Dafa Doosron ki Khushi mein aap ki Khushi nahi hoti Phir bhi aap Kamyaab Zindagi guzarte ho

pehla aap ne bohat IDEAL/BEST case bataya hai
and doosra aap ne WORST case ..

lekin beech mai kitnay cases hotay hain wo aap bhool gaye ... chlain aap ki hi categorical value le lain to 3rd & 4th case yeh hai k
3. when someone is doing what brings happiness to him/her but no success
4. when someone is doing what brings no happiness to him/her and no success

ab complete hui full categorization .. and these are self explanatory !

however, life doesnt contain any Boolean value - 0 or 1 .... it has unlimited decimal places in between ..
if 1st case is the CASE then why not every person in this world happy?
if 2nd is the CASE then why not every person in this world a failure??

life has every possible flavor and combination of all flavors............there are people who put their maximum effort in a thing but dont get max results...........there are people wo gain less but they are happy and contended with their lives in whatever they do.................low salary, low living standard, low morals dont mean absence of happiness or absence of success................and high education, high class, money no problem, don't mean success..

i have seen people having every blessing, every wish, success at foot, money, status but they are not happy !
i have seen people living very low with minimum resources without success story but much happy in their lives !
and ofcourse there are also people success & happiness are whose fate and there are people wo do whatever dont gain anything ! (like u said)


these are all life patterns and we cannot mark any impositins over a certain thing ..... Not every person in this world is happy and not every person in this world is success .... not every happy person is successful and not every successfulful person is happy !!!

See other side of the picture and see life through the eyes of those who are born failure!
happiness has other certain parameters to be fallen in.......its linked more with ur inner self not outer !

and we dont know anything at backend.... the ONE who knows the most for everything is Allah !

well said FG

regarding your previous reply and this one.. ill try to prove my point to you here.. completely on Islamic basis..!!!

"Amaal ka daroomadar neeyat pe hai" jis ka matlab hai ke agar neeyat saaf hai aur iss ka maksad paak hai.. tu amal bhi saaf aur pak ho ga.. aur iss ka nateeja bhi acha ho ga.. acha nateeja hamesha khushi ka bayis banta hai.. jis kaam mein khushi na ho.. aur jis kaam ko app adhi neeyat se kero.. uss mein koi khushi nahi hoti..
qayamat ki nishanioun mein se aik nishani hai jab insan reasoning ki bajaye apney basis per apni logic per cheezoun ko understand kerna shurooh ker de.. yani ke ilm waloun se ilm leney ki bajaye insan khud aik ghair alim hote howe self beliefs bana ley.. jo ke app ker rehee ho..
Islam kabhi bhi aik rigid mazhab nahi raha.. har cheez mein flexibility hai.. yehi flexibility aik attraction banti hai ghair musalmanoun ke liye.. aur phir islam kabool ker leney ke baad bhi ye flexibility kayim rehti hai.. aur jo log rigid banatey hein religion ko.. wo na idher ke rehtey hein na udher ke.. so balance rakhna zaroori hai.. duniya mein reh ker duniya ki gandagi se duur rehney ka sawab zyada hai bajaye iss ke key app duniya se duur houn..
aur phir ye behes jo mein ne ki hai upper regarding the topic.. its a discussion purely related to societal and cultural social phenomena.. kisi bhi aisi discussion mein religion ko wohi ley ker atey hein jin ke paas pure logical reasoning nahi hoti.. but still am ready to debate on this through religion as well..
so you were saying.. nafs.. aik philosophical quote hai " Nahang o Azdaha ko mara tu kiya mara.. barey moozi ko mara nafs amara ko gar mara "
infact its true.. lekin.. nafs pe kabu paaney ka matlab hai ke app un kamoun se apney app ko baaz rakho jo app ko burayi ki taraf le jayein.. phir ye ke burayi mein tu khushi milti hai insan ko.. lekin kiya wo khushi asli hoti hai??? NAHI.. aur khawahishaat zaroori nahi ke buri houn.. ho sakta hai ke agar koi insan apni jayiz khawahishaat ko kurban ker ke kisi AIK insan ko khushi dena chahta ho tu uss ki doosri taraf insan uss khawahish ko poora na ker ke buhat sarey aur logoun ko dukh de raha ho..
for example.. aik shakhs apney biwi bachoun ki zid ki wajah se apney career ke liye gher se duur nahi ja sakta.. so uss ke biwi bachey tu khush ho gaye.. lekin maybe uss ke baap ki beemari ka ilaj reh jaye.. coz agar wo career mein taraki kerey ga.. bahir ke mulk jaye ga.. tab hi itna paisa kama sakta hai ke apney baap ka ilaj kerwaye.. wahan pe bula ker ya yahan paise bhej ker.. ho sakta hai apni behan ki shadi ke liye wo paisey na kama sakey yahan reh ker.. ho sakta hai uss ka bhai bahir jana chahta ho further studies ke liye aur wo apney bharey bhai ke wahan janey aur settle hone pe umeed lagaye baitha ho.. so konsi FALAH paa li uss ne.. ab app kaho ghi ke sab ko tu khush nahi rakha ja sakta na.. well Islam kehta hai ke sab ko khushi do.. phir wo apni khawahishaat ko daba de kiya?.. uss ka nafs kehta hai ke khud ke liye aur apney related logoun ke liye asayish paida kero.. lekin.. Islam mein tu saadgi ka hukam hai.. so kiya wo apney nafs pe kaaboo paa ley?
beshak sab kuch iss duniya ka yahan hi reh jana hai.. lekin kiya insan yahan jeena chor dey.. aur jungloun mein nikal jaye??? jis ka aik aur moka pe Propher PBUH ne irshad farmaya hai ke duniya mein reh ker duniya ke saath jiyo aur Islam ko follow kero.. so insan kerey tu kiya kerey?

to be very honest.. and with apologies.. jo example app ne yahan pe quote kerney ki koshish ki hai.. uss ka merey topic se bilkul koi taluk nahi hai.. Ramazan ka maheena hai.. logon mein khushiyaan baanto.. aur khud ke liye khushiyaan ikhata kero.. tu hi tumhein kamiyaabi miley gi AKHIRAT mein bhi.. iss mein nafs, amal, soch, aqeeda, gharz buhat sari cheezein a jati hein.. so buniyad tu har kamiyaabi ki insan ki khushi mein hai na..
aur phir kamiyaab ho ker khush hone waley merey hisab se DARPOK, BUZDIL, aur KAMZOR hote hein.. kioun ke wo har cheez ki har baat ki guarantee pehley chahtey hein.. pehley kamiyaabi.. phir khushi.. playing safe games.. and never taking risks to bring any good change in their lives..
lekin Khushi se kaam kerney waley Allah pe bharosa rakhtey hein aur un ko baad mein yakeen hota hai ke kamiyaabi miley gi..

aur haan

you said.. wo log jo sirf wohi kaam kerein jis mein un ko khushi ho aise logoun ko selfish kehtey hein.. INDEED.. they are selfish.. lekin pooreh text mein.. aur discussion.. kahein bhi.. did i said anything like that?? ya phir app ne perha ghalat hai?
well.. mein tab se iss baat pe stress de raha houn ke wo kaam jin se khushi ho.. wo haqeeqi khushi nahi detey.. balkey wo kaam jo khush ho ker kiye jayein.. wo haqeeqi khushi detey hein.. once again..
happiness is the key to success.. not success a key to happiness..

aur wo kaam jin mein app ki khushi na ho aur doosroun ki khushi ho.. wo kamyab zindagi ki taraf ley jatey hein insan ko.. INDEED thats also right.. lekin.. wo kaam directly app ki life success mein involve nahi hote.. for example..
kisi ke liye khud ko takleef mein daalna aur uss ka kaam ker dena.. uss ki khushi ki khatir.. iss se app ki life success ya kisi aur cheez pe koi asar nahi hota.. coz ye aik NAIKI hai..
and these are seperate discussions ke SACRIFICE at the cost of own happiness kiya cheez hoti hai..
so think subjectively towards the topic under discussion.. bajaye ghoomaney ke baat ko..
for other subjects.. you can always start a new thread.. and ill be there to prove my points there as well.. ok

ermm.. no offense.. but waqayi kahein tum blond tu nahi ho??

excellent reply and the way in which you tried to make things clear and understandable to me.. well.. even though am related to the software industry.. but doesnt mean my mind is only stuck to the front end of life and can only categorize the zero's and one's.. instead.. am good at getting what backends are about.. and the connections between them.. and the decimals between zero's and one's of life are uncountable.. which we often call the REAL NUMBERS.. and thats what we mostly deal in.. instead of boolean algebra.. lolz

my first case was extreme optimism.. and second case was extreme pessimism.. for a REASON..
the reason was to give extremes of the subject in real life run time scenarios.. just for you people to figure out whats in between and what can come in between..
so pls read it again.. the last lines of my reply..!!!

a successful person without prior happiness is not happy..
a successful person with prior happiness is more happy..
a happy person with prior success may or may not be completely happy..
a happy person without prior success is always happy..

now if you can work this out through truth tables or conventional boolean or discretization logic.. then i guess you'll know the main points..

mera maksad confusion paida kerna nahi hai.. if you're confused.. then ill say you brought this on your own self coz you cant understand me further.. so your logic has limitized you to further discuss.. but ive taken you into the decimals as well.. between 0's n 1's
now decode them and you will know by a majority positive inference that..

indeed.. happiness is the key to success..

regards..

OMG............ U really made me Go like Goshhhhhhh

How cud u b so Rude... well If u dont have Patience to take compliments on ur topic ...u betta not start ne thin on which u have to face +ve n -ve compliments...

First of all ..da way u reply me is like u had sum personal issues wid me dat made u go like Mar jao ya maar do LolZzzz...

Bhai jeee Baat bahot hi simple kahi thi mein ne .... Jis ko aap ne aese liya jese ke Aap ko Blame kiya ho mein ne personally ...Afsoos...

Doosri baat . mein Islaam ko Beech mein nahi lai .....being a Muslim >Islam hay hamare Beech .... Is liye aap apni Marzi se kuch baton mein Islaam ko Lekar aayen aur kuch mein nahi to aesa nahi hota ok...

Teesri baat ..... Agar aap ki baat se koi Agree kare aur aap ko Daad de to theek lekin koi disagree kare to itna Ghussa . Nah bhai ...juchta nahi

u go ahead wid ur topic n wid ur opnions aur Mujh pe Jo Blam aap ne lagay hain related to Islam (LolZz Qayamat ki Nishaniyan) us ko mein aap ki Naqis aqal ka saboot jaante huwe Ignore kar loon gi ...

Dont like argue... n wont Argue ne more ..

Khush Rehye

i knew you'll take it wrong.. so i guess ill have to adjust myself to your childish reasoning.. and yeah.. ive never replied to any compliments until n unless i have some views to straighten out.. well i have nothing personal against you.. am proving what i believe in.. thats what a debate or discussion ( in peaceful meanings ) is all about.. negative comments kaho.. compliments negative nahi hote.. lolzzz.. and yeah.. if you have negations.. you prove them.. and if am convinced.. ill agree.. otherwise.. ill keep my belief high.. thats the rule of this world FG.. ermm.. did i think you blamed me?? well ofcourse not.. coz it really doesnt matter.. but yeah.. your SARCASM was evident.. even a kid would know dear
so i replied the sarcasm with a logical defense to whatever you thought was wrong in my belief..
khair apney apney point of views hote hein..
aur haan again.. dont go to extremes.. this is a section of philosophy and mysticism.. not just Islamic philosophy and mysticism.. Alhamdullilah.. aik nakis sa musalman mein bhi houn.. so you should be a bit carefull before talking Islam before a muslim in a way which can actually mean as if the other one is not a muslim..
am not here for DAAD.. lolzzzzzzz.. are YOU here for it??? lolzzzz
and lastly.. its better that you do ignore it.. coz no ones better muslim until n unless.. He or She really is.. ok

you're still welcome to post your comments and disagreements if any.. but with a solid.. reasoning.. and that too convincing one..

regards..

Firstly thanx soooooooo much for ur long nice reply sharabi eyes



Well as we are pakistanis so we will certainly take examples of our society
Lekin ye bhi ghalat hy k ye example sirf pakistan tak mehdood hy, u can see millions of people in the whole world jo karna kuch chahtay thay magar kartay kuch aur hyn, yani unki khushi kisi aur cheez mein thi magar unko success kisi aur cheez mein mil gai

Success brings happiness is much more TRUE than happiness brings success.

Happiness mein to sub teenagers hotay hyn lekin unn mein se aksar loag anay wali zindagi mein success haasil nhi kar paatay, haan agar aap success paa letay hain to aap iss position mein aa jatay hyn k khud bhi khush reh sakain, ghar walon mein b khushiyan baant sakain aur jinko khushi nahi naseeb unko b khushiyan de sakain, lekin jis k paas sirf happiness hai aur koi success nahi usko sub jooton talay rondh detay hyn, ghair to kya apnay bhi uss se door ho jatay hyn.......... Doosron ki chhoriye parents bhi uss betay ki taraf maail ho jatay hain jo successful ho na k wo jo khush ho Success automatically bring happiness except in some rare cases

Yes i do believe that success brings happiness but i will like to comment a bit on ur example.

u said "Nafs per Qabu pane ka Matlab hay ke woh kaam aap na karo jis mein aap ko khushi milti hay apni khwahishaat ko maarne ka naam hi Nafs per Qabu pana hay ..."

Thats wrong concept, Islam has never ever said k aap wo kaam na karo jis mein aap ko khushi milti ho, if i am happy while on HC will it mean islam want from me to keep away from HC ?? Islam has never ever said k apni khawhishaat ko maar do,
Agar khawhishaat hi khatam ho gayi to zindagi , insan ki zindagi na rahi aik robot ki zindagi bun gai.
Nafs pe qabu panay ka matlab hy k apni NAJAIZ khawhishaat par qabu pana, jaiz khawhishaat ya khushiyun se islam kabi nahi rokta. Islam insano ko murda dil aur murda surat bana kar nahi rakhna chahta balkeh zinda dil aur hansta hua, zindagi se bharpoor dekhna chahta hy, this is a misconception k jo zindagi aur duniya se door bhagay wo muttaqi hy.

Your Aggresive Behaviour is really proovin wat i did say in ma reply

Ne ways da way u hv express me dosnt mean dat am really dat kina person n it really wont leave ne effect on me:) dont wanna comment back on, da stuff dat dosnt relate to me

As u said to proove ma point i hv to proove wat am believin in so lets try dat:)

Just answer a simple question of mine

" Suppose you are doin sumthin dat really makes you happy n will really bring sucess in ur life BUT on other side ur Family dont like it n is not happy wid, wat r u goin to do ... Now tell wat you Gonna do? Will u listen to ur family or will just do wat u wanted to do cuz dat will bring Sucess in ur life cuz u r happy in dat?

Thanks for clearin ...Dats wat i meant....

da reason i did quote dat is Cuz sum time Najaiz Kaam will give u Happiness n one will get succeed ............ To kya is ka matlab ye huwa ke kyon ke aap aesa kaam karne mein khush ho aur aap ko Kamyabi bhi mil rahi hay to kya ap kare jao ge aesa.....

Ne ways lets not Bring too Much Islaam in dis section as we hv already been told dat dis is not an islaam section ( Matlab Ek Musalmaan Islaam ki Baat sirf Islaam section mein hi kare ga LolzzZZzz)

lolz on ur last line FG :d

Keep sharing nice n wise words

i agree, kerna kuch aur chahtey the.. lekin success kisi aur cheez mein mili.. per.. kiya sirf success hi mili? ya khushi bhi? aur agar khushi bhi mili tu kiya poori tarah se khushi mili? ya phir kuch regrets reh gaye un ke dil mein? thats my point.. when we say happiness.. it means happiness in all its complete meanings without any regrets.. aur phir paisa mil jana is not success.. success is to attain true happiness..
brother.. app ghalat samajh rehey ho.. happiness mein hona aik alag baat hai.. lekin jiss happiness ki yahan baat ki gayee hai.. wo hai khush ho ker koi kaam kerna..!!!
i repeat: Khush ho ker koi kaam kerna!!!
khushi se koi kaam kero gey.. tu zahir hai you will do much better and you will definitely be successful.. ye wo wali khushi nahi hai jo aam tor pe hoti hai.. like zahir hai.. college going teenagers are always happy.. lolz.. lekin thats not what it is about..
its about.. ke app jo bhi kaam kero.. agar uss mein app ki khushi hai.. aur app khushi se wo kaam ker rehey ho.. then success is guaranteed..
so happiness becomes a key to success.. ok
aur haan mein ye nahi kehta ke happiness hi sirf honi chahiye.. app phir ghalat matlab ley rehey ho..
mein ne jo uncertainty ko reply kiya hai ussmein app four complete conditions perh lo.. you will know what am talking about..
aur uss mein sab se achi condition hai.. when you are happy in doing something, and you have prior happiness before doing that work.. than you definitely succeed and become more happy..
baat ko samajhney ki koshish kero..
you are only misunderstanding the theme..

just tell me.. agar koi kaam app khush ho ker na kerein.. tu kiya app uss mein poori tarah se achi tarah se Allaa tareekey se kamiyaab ho saktey hein??????
nahi!!!!
ho sakta hai rare cases mein bhi app sirf kamyab ho saktey houn.. means kisi tarah se uss kaam ko poora ker lein ya guzar lein.. lekin wo haqeeqi kamyabi nahi hai.. aur na hi wo success khushi deta hai!

pheww..

i think ab kuch clear ho gaya ho ga matlab..

woahhh... huge replies

umm, i read most of the replies here but one thing i cudnt understand was .. y r u guyz mixin up wrds n situations? .. while reading, i was confused between sacrifice and happiness... whereas dats not the thing in discussion.. n they r completely diff frm eachotha..

happiness mite not b everythin for alota ppl here… its cuz we hav set our standards so high dat it takes us ages to reach em - which we hav now started referrin as success - aur jab reach karte hian tab chen se baith’te hain aur kahte hain k ab aii gi khushi .. we hav xchanged happiness wid success.. we dun value bein happy .. rather we value success dat eventually will lv us one day..

I read a reply which said .. agr success nahien hai too parents bhi bura kahte hain aur agr success hai too sab tumharre pass hain ( am not usin proper wrds) .. agr yeh baat hai too phr is success ko hasil karne ka kya faida jis main happiness hi fake ho … jab pata hai k main successful hoon ga / gi tabhi mujhe sab ka pyar or affection mile ga which will eventually make me happy… dan wats da point??? Woo happiness bhi jaye gi jab success jaye gi … tab?... is success - or lemme make it mor clear... money - everythin? n one being happy frm inside, nuthin?

once ur satisfied and happy wid wat ur doin ... happiness bcums ur key to success.. cuz u put ur effort in it mor..


( hope i was on track :$ )

LOLZZZZZZZZZ... mein sirf itna kahoun ga ke tumharey aik aik reply mein SARCASM.. KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ke bhara howa hai.. aur iss had tak sarcastic towards me.. lagta hai tum waqayi buhattttttttttttttttt tapp gayee ho..!!!
so first of all


aur haan.. mein bhi comment back nahi kerna chahta.. coz ye na ho ke tum tapp tapp ke blast hi ho jao.. lolzzz

aur haan.. Islam ko bheech mein lao.. lekin reasonable points ke saath..!!!

Godddd.. iss kadar sarcasm.. ufff.. star plus ke dramoun ka nateeja hai ye sab!!!
its a major dilemna of our society.. lolz.. ill definitely start a thread on that.. lolz..

khair anyways.. ab aik cheez ko baar baar likh ker mein bhi thak chuka houn lekin tumharey BLONDE dimagh mein wo baat ja hi nahi rehee tu mein kya kerounnnnnnn!!!

am not talking about happy in doing something!!! got it!!!

koi kaam ker ke khush hone ki baat mein ne nahi ki.. am talking.. KHUSHI se koi kaam kerna..
an the example you gave.. ofcourse.. mein apni family ki marzi ke khilaaf koi kaam nahi keroun ga..!!! and i will stop doing it beshak uss mein meri khushi ho!!! and i will try to find something else jo un ko pasand ho.. aur mein bhi wo kaam KHUSHI se ker sakoun.. so that.. mein wo kaam behter tareekey se ker sakoun aur akhir mein successful ho jaoun uss mein...!!!!!
zahir hai agar mein koi kaam aisa keroun ga jo ke mein KHUSHI se na ker sakoun.. tu mein wo theek se ya uss perfection level se nahi ker paoun ga!!! aur phir i maybe a bit successful in it.. lekin majboori ka naam shukriya wali baat hai.. aik aas reh jaye gi merey dil mein.. ke kaash mein kuch aisa kaam kerta jo mein khushi se ker sakta..
aur khushi se wohi kaam kiya jata hai jis kaam mein insan ki khushi ho..
aur wohi kaam app ko success bhi deta hai!!!

so..

LADIES N GENTLEMEN

the final outcome of this wonderful discussion with such sarcasms and so much disgareement has finally resulted into this conclusion:

HAPPINESS IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS

if you do something happily.. and you have happiness in your work.. you are guaranteed to succeed and definitely will be successfull
so parents pls let your children choose the field of their own choice..
and children.. pls choose a field of liking with approval of your parents and be successful in it..

may you all be happy and may you all succeed

AMIN..!!!

Aap ke replies dekh ke mujhe kuch kuch Andaza to tha hi Lekin Thanks to ur dis Reply Jis ne Ye baat sabit kar di hay ke Sorry to say Lekin aap ko Baat karne ki Tameez nahi ....Specially jab Mukhatib ek larki ho ......

Mere replies se to Ghussa zahir nahi huwa tha lekin aap ke replies se ye saaf zahir hay ke aap to Batamezi per utar aaye hain ....

Bajay itna ghussa karne ke agar aap apni baat ko Araam se samjhate to shayad samne wala Sun leta...

Ne ways ... Aap se mazeed baat karne ka matlab hay Khud ki Insulat karwana aur woh Mujhe Gawara nahi ...

Khush Rehye Bhai

ok listen to me.. lets clear this all apart from this topic and the discussions.. merey khayal se mein ne koi badtameezi nahi ki.. infact.. yahan aur bhi users atey hein iss topic per.. aur mujh se na kisi male ko na female ko.. koi complain ajj tak nahi hoi.. coz actually.. mein waise hi sab se baat kerta houn.. jaise ke mein khud hota houn.. mujh se shaista urdu mein ya phir fake respect show kerney waley lehjey mein baat nahi hoti.. mein ne kuch bhi aisa nahi keh dia app ko jis se ye sabit ho ke mein ne badtameezi ki hai.. infact.. am successfully working for a company in which i have more than 40 females working under me.. and they are happy from me as well.. specially my direct boss to which i have to report.. coz she is a female as well.. and she is content from me.. so..
if its a crime to BE YOURSELF.. then am proud to be a convict for that..
and my dear sister.. when you say something.. you should have the flexibility in yourself to hear as well..
so finally.. whatever my behavior is to you.. its fine to me.. and i like the way i am.. and i dont really care of what you think about it

app bhi khushi rahein..

lots of regards..
Allah Hafiz

Waisse..... mujhe is topic main aane se pehle Red Lite dikhai de rahi thi .. lekin main phr bhi, adat se majboor, andar a hi gaii .. ahem ahemm

umm... filhaal to dono party garm garm lag rahi hain ... main ne too bas itna kahna tha k .. umm.. argument karne se koon sa new white house bana lainna hai kissi ne ..

Chillax ppl... lets mov on to sumthin else

Arguments karne se ek dosre k khyalat pata chalte hyn, zehan k dareechay khulte hyn aur soch waseeh hoti hy, aur ek forum mein aap b yakeenan argument k liye hi ati hyn na k white house bananay

Thanx for all the participants, nice discussion

white house bana'ne nahien ati aur na hi argument karne atii hoon ... main sirf debate kartii hoon, agr woo kisi se nahien hoti to os ko os k haal par chor deti hoon

It sure was a nice discussion

peace

debate mein b to arguments hi hotay hyn :d

ok g, Allah karay hum sub ko success bhi milay aur happiness b

debate main xchange of views hote hain .... aru arguments main be-shak koi ghalat hi kah raha ho lekin woo apni baat par aur firm ho jata hai ... arguments offensive hoti hain .. whereas debate can actually lead to agreein on one thing !

peace

Debate is just to present ur views, arguments. It can never ever mean to agree upon something.
Arguments means giving reasoning of ur point of view, so how reasoning means offensive?
It all depends on the participants, If they hav offensive nature there will surely be offensive language whether it is a debate or argument , and if they hav the ability to listen to others hav different point of view, arguments can never be offensive.

Look at the definitions of both the words, debate and arguments....both having similar meanings.

first of all.........

i m so much pleased to see this section *alive*
credit goes to all posting here
especially.. S E ..and hadea & then all others , jo sab discussions mein participate kerty haiN

i used to come here regularly jab abu adnan usuf bhai yahan ke---- thay
shukar hai ab aap bhi nazar arahy hain yahan

khair..
uff main kya kehna chahti hoon .. main kehna chahti hoon ke plzzz plz & plz
gusse mein na ayeein
bass apne apne views detey rahaiN.. jo hum jaise loogoN ke liye bohat useful hain

ok so plzz..... peace and smile

Maine poori post parh daali...

so in my opinion.. sab ki baatain kisi na kisi hadd tak sehi haiN

but..but.. i personally.. 100 % agree with S E

Success is not the key to happiness..
Happiness is the key to Success..

---so true !!!

its so good to have you back kainaat i hope you are fine and everything is good at your end..
i think the credit goes to all the participants who are finally taking interest into the many social and real life issues which are normally misinterpreted and yeah.. everything has its philosophy and logic.. and we can only improve our horizons of thought with sharing and understanding each other's views..
well.. on my part if there has been any hostility in this post regarding the debate or discussions.. i do apologise.. but as they say..
only severe disagreements lead a collective agreement.. and everything is in peace indeed
so its enjoyable as well as a bit of spice added to the discussion.. so lets just keep it the way it is

looking forward for your active participation here as well

regards & best wishes & and many prayers for you

keep sharing

argument or debate main aik chotaa sa fark hai, a slite difference.. jo shayad agr ap google karain too ap ko pata chal jaye … argument is often a “heated” discussion and xperssion of difference of opinion. Whereas, debate is to engage in a “formal” discussion ..

Can we stop debatin ova argument n debate? GUD ! letz mov on now…

:d :D

wese debate b heated ho sakti hy :p