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MJB
yeah haal hey hamari awwam,, aur unkey awami numaindoon ka,,,,, 1 maqsad hotey huey bhi mil ke jid-o-jehad nahin ker saktey,,,, ARD, APDM, Misaq-e-Jamhooriat, MMA jaisey tamam itehad mulki mufaad ki bajaye zati mufaad main banaye gey,,, iss liye jis ko jahan apna mufad nazar aata hey,,, wahan lurak jata hey,,,,,,

APDM ke banney ke baad BB ne kaha tha ke ab ARD nahin rahi,,,, aur aaj khair se ARD ke ijlaas ke ijlaas main shirkaat bhi ker li,,,,, jab-ke ahsan iqbal kah rahey ke ke ARD ka ijlaas hi nahin hua





PS: opper ke itehaadioon main Q-league ka naam iss liye nahin likha,,, kion ke yeah tu hey hi mufaad-parastoon aur lotoon ka majmooa,,, yeah tu aap sab bhi jantey hi hain
saima56
aap kii tashweesh baja hai.. jahan deal aur dheal ka guzar hoo, jahan zati mafad mulki mafad sa upper hoon, jahan iqtadaar hasil karna hii wahid tarjeeh hoo, wahan yeh naamnihad awami numainda akhitha hoo hii nahi sakta hai, aur na hi mulk dushman anasir aur ghadar generals ka muqabla kar sakna kii taqat rekhtaiin hain...

reeh gaye awam kii baat, too awam too har jaga sa maar kahti hai woo kissi siassi jamat ka saath daiti hai too wahan sa dhokha khati hai aur woo agar general ka ana per mithayaan banti hai too wahan sa uss koo thokar lagti hai.. mere khayal sa awam per itne zarbaiin laag chuki hain koo wo behis aur murda hoo chuki hai, joo loog motivated aur activist hai woo yaa too police ka danda kaahta hai ya jail jata hai aur joo loog zaida motivated hoota hai woo ghalat rasta per nikal jata hain kyunka koi aise jamat nahi rahi joo unn koo aik sahi rasta per guide kar saka.. aur majmoomi muzahimaat ko lal masjid aur doosra waqiqaat na khoof mai mubtala kia hua hai..

laken inn donoo batoon mai aik khoofnaak baat hai, kaa agaar khamooshi itni hoo kaa woo aap koo tang karna laga too aisee khamooshi kissi anhooni kii naveed hooti hai, aur anhooni zaida taar negative hooti hai, agar insaaf aur bunyadi huqooq per pabandi laga aur koi aitajaaj kaa rassta na hoo too mashra mai kuch loog hoota hain joo aisa raasta per nikal jata hai jahan woo kudh bhi barbaad hoota hai aur doosra bhi.. mai khail ul rehman ramda ka bayan perh rahi thi unhoon na kaha ka adaltaiin khooni inqalaab ka rasta rook rahi thiin.. aisaa na hoo ka ustaqbil mai aqliat aksariyaat per apni marzi thohpaa..
MJB
i am 100% agreed with u saima sis,,, lekin kya wajah hey ke issi awam se nikal ke log Fauj main bhi jatey hain,,,,, aur syasat main bhi,,,,,, bureaucracy main bhi jatey hain aur adliya main bhi,,,,,, phir kya yeah wahan pohanch ke apni mahroomioon ka badla ussi awaam se laitey hain

beshak khalil-ur-rahman ramday nay baja kaha hey,,, ke agar aqliat ki marzi aur dhons akseriat pe thopi jati rahi,,,, tu khooni inqalaab baeed-az-qyas nahin
Hesham Ahmed
Hamri Awaam " SOO RAHI HAI " MAT UTHAO KEHEIN MULK SAHI NA HO JAYE smile.gif
ek pakistani
ھماری بدقسمتی ھے کہ ھمارے سیاستدانوں میں آپس مین کبھی کؤی اتفاق نہیں رھا،سب نے اپنی ڈیڑھ اینٹ کی مسجد علیحدہ بنا رکھی ھے۔یہ دیکھ کر دل خون کے آنسو روتا ھے۔اور شاید یہ مشرف کی بہت بڑی کامیابی ھے۔اور اسی بل بوتے پر وہ من مانی کرتا چلا آیا ھے۔شاید وہ اپنے پیشرو آمروں سے زیادہ ھوشیار نکلا ھے۔وہ شخص جو ٹھیک طرح سے تقریر بھی نھی کر سکتا۔اسے دیکھ کر کؤی بھی یقین کرنے کو تیار نھیں کہ یہ شخص اتنا شاطر نکلے گا کہ اپنی ضد میں انصاف اور قانون کی دھجیاں اڑا دے گا اسے اس بات کی پرواہ نھیں کہ ملک کا کیا بنے گا، اسوقت پوری دنہا میں ھمارا وقار مجروح ھوا ھے۔آخر کیوں؟ اور یہ سب ھماری بےبس عوام خاموشی سے دیکھ رھی ھے۔۔۔شاید وہ سکتے کے عالم میں ھیں۔۔ھمارے سیاست دان اپنے اختلافات مین الجھے ھؤے ھیں اور میری پلکین پرنم ھیں۔۔آخر کب تک یہ سلسلہ چلے گا؟ اخر کب تک؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟بہرحال میں نا امید نھیں ھوں۔۔مجھے امید ھے کہ جو یہ آزادی جمھوریت، قانون کی بالادستی کی جو جنگ شروع ھؤی ھے اس مین ھماری عوام اور ھمارے سیاستدان بھی شامل ھو جایں گے۔۔۔۔۔!!
saima56
QUOTE(MJB @ Nov 7 2007, 08:21 PM) [snapback]2569747[/snapback]
i am 100% agreed with u saima sis,,, lekin kya wajah hey ke issi awam se nikal ke log Fauj main bhi jatey hain,,,,, aur syasat main bhi,,,,,, bureaucracy main bhi jatey hain aur adliya main bhi,,,,,, phir kya yeah wahan pohanch ke apni mahroomioon ka badla ussi awaam se laitey hain


jahan tak syasaat ka taluq hai too hamera mulk mai is idara ka saath to hamesha zulm hi hua hai aur acha loog aur nazaryati tehreekhaiin, marshal laws kii nazar hoogayein.. isss koo mai discuss nahi karoo gii..

haan bureacracy joo hai uss mai kafi loog joo haiin un ki basis middle class sa hai magar kyunka hamera nizam aisa hai ka iss mai salah loog servive hii nahi kar sakta hai aur bureacracy ka mizaj hukumraan set karta hain aur woo waisee hii hooti hai jaisa hukumuran.. adalya ka masla doosra wahan takreeban 90% sa zaida loog middle class sa taluq rekhta haiin aur adalya baar aur bench per consist karti hai, iss lia aap adlaya kaa reaction hamesha awam jaisa hoota hai, agar awam marshal law koo accept karta haiin too woo bhi accept kar laiti hai aur agar awam reject karti too wahan bhi resistance hooti hai, aap na wuklaa koo dekh lia aur iss baar supreme court kii majority na inkar ka harf buland kia hai..

akhir mai hameri fauj hai, jiss mai awam jati haiin magar wardi apna asar dikhati hai.. mai aap koo aik example daiti hoon mai ne apni engineering ka baad 2 jaga jobs kii pehli private sector mai job thi aur doosri job aik research organization mai thi, research organization koo wardi chari hui thi iss ka matlab yeh hai ka wahan tamam upper position per wardi wala bhaitha hua tha, jab mai private organization mai thi too tamam loog awam mai sa tha too unn ka mizaj aur kaam karna ka tariqa bilkul juda tha aur haq halal ki kamata tha balka haq zaida ada karta tha.. aik GM aur aik engineer mai relation professional tha. jab mai ne research organization join kii too mujhe pata chala ka wardi kya cheez hooti hai aur uss ka nasha kya hoota hai.. mai jab upper bhatiha hua logoon kii sooch koo dekhti too mujhe bhut afsoos hoota(even mai kuch projects ka silsala mai dr samar(even he is civilian) sa mili too mujhe wahan bhi na-ummedi hui), aur uss tarah kii different organizations ka yehi haal tha.. abb yahan hum soochta tha ka jab hum mai sa (yani civilian)koi upper jaye ga too woo different hooga magar aisa nahi kyunka uss kii tarbiat hii wardi wala mahool mai hooti too joo civilian bhi upper jata woo bhi baghair uniform ka fauji hoota aur aise organization mai kitne % kaam hoota hai aur kya wahan loog mutmain hoota hai yeh alag sawal hai... so jab civilian idara jin koo wardi chari hui hai unn ka yeh haal hai to fauj ka kya haal hooga..so jab nizam hii ajeeb sa hoo joo banda bhi enter hooga woo waqt ka saath saath khuda ban jaye gaa aur hoosh tab aata hai jab wardi jism sa ghaib hoojati hai..

MJB
QUOTE(saima56 @ Nov 7 2007, 07:21 PM) [snapback]2569968[/snapback]
jahan tak syasaat ka taluq hai too hamera mulk mai is idara ka saath to hamesha zulm hi hua hai aur acha loog aur nazaryati tehreekhaiin, marshal laws kii nazar hoogayein.. isss koo mai discuss nahi karoo gii..

haan bureacracy joo hai uss mai kafi loog joo haiin un ki basis middle class sa hai magar kyunka hamera nizam aisa hai ka iss mai salah loog servive hii nahi kar sakta hai aur bureacracy ka mizaj hukumraan set karta hain aur woo waisee hii hooti hai jaisa hukumuran.. adalya ka masla doosra wahan takreeban 90% sa zaida loog middle class sa taluq rekhta haiin aur adalya baar aur bench per consist karti hai, iss lia aap adlaya kaa reaction hamesha awam jaisa hoota hai, agar awam marshal law koo accept karta haiin too woo bhi accept kar laiti hai aur agar awam reject karti too wahan bhi resistance hooti hai, aap na wuklaa koo dekh lia aur iss baar supreme court kii majority na inkar ka harf buland kia hai..

akhir mai hameri fauj hai, jiss mai awam jati haiin magar wardi apna asar dikhati hai.. mai aap koo aik example daiti hoon mai ne apni engineering ka baad 2 jaga jobs kii pehli private sector mai job thi aur doosri job aik research organization mai thi, research organization koo wardi chari hui thi iss ka matlab yeh hai ka wahan tamam upper position per wardi wala bhaitha hua tha, jab mai private organization mai thi too tamam loog awam mai sa tha too unn ka mizaj aur kaam karna ka tariqa bilkul juda tha aur haq halal ki kamata tha balka haq zaida ada karta tha.. aik GM aur aik engineer mai relation professional tha. jab mai ne research organization join kii too mujhe pata chala ka wardi kya cheez hooti hai aur uss ka nasha kya hoota hai.. mai jab upper bhatiha hua logoon kii sooch koo dekhti too mujhe bhut afsoos hoota(even mai kuch projects ka silsala mai dr samar(even he is civilian) sa mili too mujhe wahan bhi na-ummedi hui), aur uss tarah kii different organizations ka yehi haal tha.. abb yahan hum soochta tha ka jab hum mai sa (yani civilian)koi upper jaye ga too woo different hooga magar aisa nahi kyunka uss kii tarbiat hii wardi wala mahool mai hooti too joo civilian bhi upper jata woo bhi baghair uniform ka fauji hoota aur aise organization mai kitne % kaam hoota hai aur kya wahan loog mutmain hoota hai yeh alag sawal hai... so jab civilian idara jin koo wardi chari hui hai unn ka yeh haal hai to fauj ka kya haal hooga..so jab nizam hii ajeeb sa hoo joo banda bhi enter hooga woo waqt ka saath saath khuda ban jaye gaa aur hoosh tab aata hai jab wardi jism sa ghaib hoojati hai..


ji,,,, issi baat ka tu roona hey,,,, ke issi awaam se niakl ke logon ko moqa milta hey,,,, tu ham bhool jatey hain ke kabhi ham bhi awaam they,,, aap ne syasatdanoon ka zikar kya,,, awal tu khair se hamarey haan middle class se political leader ka concept hi na honey ke baraber hey,,,,, lekin agar kabhi koi nikal bhi,,, tu uska mizaj bhi badal jata hey,,, yahi haal baqi jaghonn ka bhi hey

acha tu aap ghalban pmo se ta'luq rakhti hain,,, Dr.Samar ka fojioon se itna purana ta'luq nahin,,,, wo NESCOM ke chairman banney ke baad hi inn se ziada in-touch huey hain,,, aur wo bhi in khush qismati,,,, ke kai wardi waloon ka boss ban ke kaaam kya hey,,, isss se pahley jab yeah PAEC main they aur tab SPD bhi nahin hoti thi (SPD aur NESCOM taqreeban sath sath hi bani hain,,, rather SPD banney ke baad hi NESCOM bani hey),,, tu wahan pe wardi waloon ka amal dakhal na honey ke barabar tha,,,, aur sarey ma'amlaat chairman PAEC direct president ko batata tha,,, aur sirif chand 1 a'ala wardi waley iss matter main involve hotey they,,, lekin wo bhi sirif stretigic point of view se aur security ke point of view,,,, lekin iskey bawajood aap ne daikh liya ke Dr. Samar ka mizaj kaisa ho chuka hey. Its a fact ke ham bator nation kabhi apney aap ko establish nahin ker sakey,,,, asal masla hamarey andar ki thinking main hey,,, aur phir ham main se hi kuch loag jo agay jatey hain,,, badlney main time nahin lagatey
saima56
QUOTE(MJB @ Nov 8 2007, 12:16 AM) [snapback]2570148[/snapback]
ji,,,, issi baat ka tu roona hey,,,, ke issi awaam se niakl ke logon ko moqa milta hey,,,, tu ham bhool jatey hain ke kabhi ham bhi awaam they,,, aap ne syasatdanoon ka zikar kya,,, awal tu khair se hamarey haan middle class se political leader ka concept hi na honey ke baraber hey,,,,, lekin agar kabhi koi nikal bhi,,, tu uska mizaj bhi badal jata hey,,, yahi haal baqi jaghonn ka bhi hey

acha tu aap ghalban pmo se ta'luq rakhti hain,,, Dr.Samar ka fojioon se itna purana ta'luq nahin,,,, wo NESCOM ke chairman banney ke baad hi inn se ziada in-touch huey hain,,, aur wo bhi in khush qismati,,,, ke kai wardi waloon ka boss ban ke kaaam kya hey,,, isss se pahley jab yeah PAEC main they aur tab SPD bhi nahin hoti thi (SPD aur NESCOM taqreeban sath sath hi bani hain,,, rather SPD banney ke baad hi NESCOM bani hey),,, tu wahan pe wardi waloon ka amal dakhal na honey ke barabar tha,,,, aur sarey ma'amlaat chairman PAEC direct president ko batata tha,,, aur sirif chand 1 a'ala wardi waley iss matter main involve hotey they,,, lekin wo bhi sirif stretigic point of view se aur security ke point of view,,,, lekin iskey bawajood aap ne daikh liya ke Dr. Samar ka mizaj kaisa ho chuka hey. Its a fact ke ham bator nation kabhi apney aap ko establish nahin ker sakey,,,, asal masla hamarey andar ki thinking main hey,,, aur phir ham main se hi kuch loag jo agay jatey hain,,, badlney main time nahin lagatey


aap koo lagta hai maloom hai iss tarah kii organization ka bara mai, laken mai PMO mai nahi thi balka nescom kii doosri organization mai thi aur us tarah kii jitne sister organizations haiin wahan har jaga ka sarbarah wardi wala hai,kahin navy ki wardi chari hui hai to kahin air force ki to kahin militaray ki.. , aur mai ne job kuch arsa hua choor di due to some reasons...
MJB
QUOTE(saima56 @ Nov 7 2007, 08:36 PM) [snapback]2570188[/snapback]
aap koo lagta hai maloom hai iss tarah kii organization ka bara mai, laken mai PMO mai nahi thi balka nescom kii doosri organization mai thi aur us tarah kii jitne sister organizations haiin wahan har jaga ka sarbarah wardi wala hai,kahin navy ki wardi chari hui hai to kahin air force ki to kahin militaray ki.. , aur mai ne job kuch arsa hua choor di due to some reasons...

NDC ko nikal dain,,,,, kion ke wo PAEC se export hui thi,,,, Dr. Samar ke samait,,, iss liye wahan ko chor ke baqi poorey NESCOM main aap ko ba-wardi sarbrah millain gey,,,, waisey Allah ka shukar hey ke PAEC ke halat aab bhi bohat bahter hain,,, aur SPD anney ke bawajood,,, wardi waley security ki had tak hi hain
saima56
QUOTE(MJB @ Nov 8 2007, 12:51 AM) [snapback]2570201[/snapback]
NDC ko nikal dain,,,,, kion ke wo PAEC se export hui thi,,,, Dr. Samar ke samait,,, iss liye wahan ko chor ke baqi poorey NESCOM main aap ko ba-wardi sarbrah millain gey,,,, waisey Allah ka shukar hey ke PAEC ke halat aab bhi bohat bahter hain,,, aur SPD anney ke bawajood,,, wardi waley security ki had tak hi hain


lagta hai aap PAEC mai haiin..
mubashir ansari
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ManPaki
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Salman4u
YES I Agree sub apnay mafad ki jang lard rahay hain.in ko awam say koi sarokar nahain hai
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