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asim10
assalam alakum to all muslims
main yazeed kay baray main topic shoro kar na chahta hoon
kiya according to the rules is ki ijazat hay jawab anay kay baad apnee baat shoro karoon gha
shukria
asim10
ASA
KISI TARAF SAY KOWEE AITRAZ NA ANAY KE WAJAH SAY MAIN APNA MOZO SHORO KARTA HOON
SUB SAY PEHLEE BAAT KAY MAIN YAZEED KAY BARAY MAIN IS LIYA LIKHNA CHAHTA HOO KAY MUKHLIF TO THEEK HAIN MAGAR APNAY BHEE YAZEED KO BURA BHALA KEHTAY HAIN.
HALANAKAY YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KE AIK HADITH KAY MUTABIQ MAGHFIRAT SHUDA HAY.AOUR YEHEE BAAT MUJAY YAZEED KAY BARAY MAIN LIKHNAY PER MAJBOOR KAR TEE RAHEE.
YAZEED THA KAOUN .SHAYAD HUM MAIN SAY AKSAREEYAT KO YEHEE NA PATA HOO .
DOSTOO YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KA BHANJA THA ,YANI YAZEED KE KHALA SYDA UMMAY HABIBA NABI AKRAM SAW KE BIWI THEEN.ABB WOH LOOG JOO NABI AKRAM SAW KAY RISHTAY DAROON KO BURA BHALA KEHTAY HAIN WOH SOOCH LAIN KAY KIYA YAZEED KO BUARA BHALA KEHNA JAIZ HAY.
DOSREE BAAT ,KAY YAZEED KE BAIT TAQREEBAN TAMAM SAHBA NAY KEE ABB YAHAN MAIN APNAY SUNNI BAHION SAY POCHTA HOON KAY KIYA SAHABA KISI FASIQ FAJIR KE BAIT KAR SAKTAY HAIN.NAHIN KABHI NAHIN.
AOUR RAHA YEH SAWAL KAY YAZEED SYDNA HUSSAIN RZ KA KATIL THA TOO IS BARAY MAIN WAZAY DALAIL HONAY CHAHEYAIN.JO SHAYAD KISI KAY PASS NAHIN.BUS JO SHIA KEE ZUBANI SUNA USAY DOHARA DIYA.
MAIRAY MUTABIQ JITNI BAREE BAIT AIY KHILAFAT YAZEED KEE HOWEE KISI KE NAHIN HOWEE.SIRF DO LOGON KA IKHTILAF MILTA HAY SYDNA HUSSAIN KA AOUR SYDNA ZUBAIR . IS KAY ILAWA AGAR KOWEE KISI BHEE AOUR SAHABI KA IKHTILAF SABIT KAR DAY MAIN US KA SHUKAR GHUZAR HOON GHA.MAIN APNA TOPIC JAREE RAKHOON GHA INSHALLAH IS WAQAT ISI PER IQTIFA KARTA HOON ,
Daylight
This is something related to history, i think it should be moved to history section, wese bhi wahan topics ki kafi kami hai :p
silenteyes
QUOTE(asim10 @ Nov 21 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]2587555[/snapback]
HALANAKAY YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KE AIK HADITH KAY MUTABIQ MAGHFIRAT SHUDA HAY.AOUR YEHEE BAAT MUJAY YAZEED KAY BARAY MAIN LIKHNAY PER MAJBOOR KAR TEE RAHEE.

lolz. zara hadees to share kijye.

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DOSTOO YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KA BHANJA THA ,YANI YAZEED KE KHALA SYDA UMMAY HABIBA NABI AKRAM SAW KE BIWI THEEN.ABB WOH LOOG JOO NABI AKRAM SAW KAY RISHTAY DAROON KO BURA BHALA KEHTAY HAIN WOH SOOCH LAIN KAY KIYA YAZEED KO BUARA BHALA KEHNA JAIZ HAY.

Abu' Lehab mal'oon nabi akram ka chacha tha.. aap to usay bhi bura bhala nahi kahte ho'n gay.

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DOSREE BAAT ,KAY YAZEED KE BAIT TAQREEBAN TAMAM SAHBA NAY KEE ABB YAHAN MAIN APNAY SUNNI BAHION SAY POCHTA HOON KAY KIYA SAHABA KISI FASIQ FAJIR KE BAIT KAR SAKTAY HAIN.NAHIN KABHI NAHIN.

jab nabi akram k betay mola Hussain(as) nay hi yazeed ki baye't nahi ki to baki logo'n ki bayet ki kiya haqeeqat bachti hai bhai....

Food for thought:
hadees: 1- Hussain mujh say hai or main Hussain say.
hadees: 2- Hasan or Hussain jannat kay jawano'n k sardaar hain.

silenteyes
QUOTE(Daylight @ Nov 22 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]2587615[/snapback]
This is something related to history, i think it should be moved to history section, wese bhi wahan topics ki kafi kami hai :p

My view same.
silenteyes
QUOTE(asim10 @ Nov 21 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]2587555[/snapback]
AOUR RAHA YEH SAWAL KAY YAZEED SYDNA HUSSAIN RZ KA KATIL THA TOO IS BARAY MAIN WAZAY DALAIL HONAY CHAHEYAIN.JO SHAYAD KISI KAY PASS NAHIN.BUS JO SHIA KEE ZUBANI SUNA USAY DOHARA DIYA.

President Musharraf order deta hai Pervaiz Ilaahi ko jo k chief minister hai punjab ka... or wo order deta hai IG police ko..... or aagay wo order deta hai mutalliqa thaanay k SHO ko k falaa'n muhallay main XYZ naam ka 1 banda rehta hai usay kal tak qatal kar diya jaye. or SHO khud ja kar ya apnay sipaahi bhej kar usay qatal kar deta hai.......

ab aap mujhe yai batayen k baishak yai qatal President Musharraf k hath say nahi hua laikin is ka zimma'daar wo hai k nahi? or is qatl ki waja say wo XYZ ka qaatil kahlaaye ga k nahi?

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MAIRAY MUTABIQ JITNI BAREE BAIT AIY KHILAFAT YAZEED KEE HOWEE KISI KE NAHIN HOWEE.SIRF DO LOGON KA IKHTILAF MILTA HAY SYDNA HUSSAIN KA AOUR SYDNA ZUBAIR .

jo ikhtilaaf mola Hussain ko yazeed say tha, aap kay mutabiq qo kiya hai bhala 1-quest.gif
sohani
kuch dino pehlay iraq ya iran main aik larki ko gairat k naam per qatal kiya gaya tha


us ka naam dua khalil masood tha


woh shayad yazeed quam k hi thi i think


main sure nahi hooo k woh kis qaum k thi mager shayad woh yazeed hi thi


aur ager asa hai to app kiya kehtay hai is bare main
asim10
asa
DL ap kay mashwaray ka shukria .yeh mamla kiuon kay khalis islamic tareekh ka hisa hay is leya isay main nay yahan hee discuss karna munasib samjha.
dosray silten sahib ke aik baat ke khoshee howee kay unhoon ref manga.chahay aitraz karnay kay lee yai hee.pehlay main ref day doon pher baat karoon gha.inshallah.
[b]sahih bukhari.kitab JIHAD WAL SEEYAR. bab .raoum waloon say qital ke fazeelat.hadith no 2707,[/b] aour agar kowee arabic samjh sakta hoo too online ref yeh hay :
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display...%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB
yeh ref yazeed kay maghfirat shuda honay ka.yeh hadith no 2707 hay .iskay ilawa taqreeban 17 ref sihah sitay say paish kar sakta hoon jis say mera dawa sabit hota hay .abb yahan per mukhalifeen yazeed yeh aitraz kartay hain kay yazeed us lashkar main shamil hee nahin tha jis kay mutaliq NABI AKRAM saw ke maghfirat ka wada hay to is ka ref bhee bukhari say hee paisha kar daita hoon
sahih al bukhari.kitab al JUMA,bab ,.bajamat nawafil ke fazeelat.hadith no .1113 :aour online ref yeh hay
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display...%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB
yeh hay silent eyes kay pehlay aitraz ka jawab . ab ata hoon dosree baat per kay abu lahab ko bhee bura na kaha jaaaiy. khairat ke baat kay aik kafir ka moazna aik muslman say kiya jaa ta hay .abu lahab wazah taour per kafir tha bulkay NABI AKRAM SAW ka sakht treen mukhalif tha. apnay aitraz per silten eyes ko khud hee afsoos ho gha.
aik aour baat mr silent eyes.sydna hussain rz nabi akram saw kay baitay nahin thay bulkay sydna ali rz kay baitay thay.
jab akkabreen sahab rz nay yazeed ke bait kar lee thee to in bachoon ka bait na karna kowee mana nahin rakhta. aour waisay bhee jab yazeed ke khilafat per ummat ka ijma ho chuka too phir agar do logoon nay bait na bhee kee too is say kowee faraq nahin parta.aour yeh bhee ahdith say sabit hay kay agar kowee bhee shakhs usmmat kay ijma kay khilaf jaa too us kee garadan mar doo.
agar main musharaf ko nahin manta too is say ,uskkay uhday per kowee faraq nahin parta .
app ke akhri baat ka jawab yeh kay main yehee too daleel mang raha hoon kay yeh sabit kiya jaa aiy kay yazeed nay sydna hussain rz kay qatal ka hukam diya tha.
aour sydna hussain ke mukhalifat yazeed say kisi shar ee msla per nahin thee bulkay khilafat kay mozo per thee.
inshallah baqee baat agaly thread main karoon gha
ALLAH HAFIZ.
silenteyes
surely, I will continue the discussion when I go to my home. (now in office) Be in touch.
~Saraj~
QUOTE(Daylight @ Nov 22 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]2587615[/snapback]
This is something related to history, i think it should be moved to history section, wese bhi wahan topics ki kafi kami hai :p


Good Advise smile.gif
silenteyes
salam

wahabiyat ki base bani'umayya say muhabbat par hai is liye wahabi people ahl'ay bayet ki shan main bayan ki gayi aksar ahdaees ko reject kar dete hain. yai sab ko pata hai k Hussain(as) prophet Muhammad(sa) k betay nahi balkay un k nawasay thay rishta main laikin rasool allah unhain apna beta kah kar hi mukhatib karte thay or MUBAHILA k moqa par jab eesaiyo'n k aamne samne gaye to Hasan or Hussain ko sath le kar gaye thay.

aap ki bayan ki gayi ahadees par bhi baat karain ge...laikin pehle main discussion quran ki is aayet say shuroo karta hoon..

"And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." Quran(2/124)

is aayet say Allah ka yai qanoon wazeh ho jata hai k shaitaani raste par chalne wala zalim banda Imam (khalifa) nahi ban sakta.... right ? yani k agar Yazeed bhi zaalim or raah'ay haqq say hata hua shaitaani raste par chalne wala insaan tha to wo khalifa/imam kahlanay ka mustahiqq nahi tha.. right ?

Above mentioned aayet ki sunni ulema nay jo tafsir bayan ki hai wo dekhne k liye references hain yai...
1- Tafseer Khazana volume 1 page 89
2- Ma'am al Tazeel Volume 1 page 89
3- Fathul Qadeer Volume 1 page 140
4- Tafseer Mudharik al Tazeel Volume 1 page 84
5- Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 1 page 118
6- Tafseer Jama al Mubeen Volume 1 page 118
7- Tafseer Gharab al Qu'an Volume 1 page 439
8- Tafseer Ibn Katheer Volume 1 page 167
9- Ahkam al Quir'an Volume 1 page 69
10- Tafseer al Kabeer Volume 1 page 494

silenteyes
Now fasten your seat belts......

Yazeed ka character aap k samne expose hone laga hai....


The opinions of Ahl'ul Sunnah on the kufr and fisq of Yazeed
Reference books..

1- Al Bidayah wa al Nihaya,(Urdu) Volume 8 pages 1146, 1147 & 1165
2- Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala" Volume 4 pages 37-38
3- Al Sawaiqh al Muhroqa page 131
4- Thatheer al Janaan page 115
5- Sharh Fiqh Akbar page 73
6- Fatawa Azeezi pafe 80 Dhikr Yazeed
7- Nuzool al Abrar page 97 Dhikr Yazeed
8- Ya Nabi al Mawaddath Volume 2 page 325 Part 60
9- Al Nasaa al Kaafiya page 120
10- Tareekh Ibn Khaldun Volume 1 page 179
11- Sharh Aqaid Nasfee page 113 Dhikr Yazeed
12- Tareekh Kamil Volume 3 pages, 152, 153 and 156 and 450 events of 52 Hijri
13- Al Imama wa al Siayasa page 165
14- Iqd al Fareed Voume 2 page 258 Dhikr Yazeed
15- Tareekh Abu al Fala Volume 1 page 186 Dkihr al Khabar Mu'awiya
16- Al Akbar al Taweel page 268 Dhikr Yazeed
17- Tareekh Tabari Volume 7 page 146
18- Rasail page 129 by Abu Bakr Jauzi
19- Maqathil Husayn page 172 Ch 9
20- Tadkhira Khawwas page 164
21- Shazath al Dhabab Volume 1 page 69 events of 61 Hijri
22- Tareekh al Khulafa page 204 Dhikr Mu'awiya
23- Al Khabar al Awal page 61 Dhikr Hukumith Ibn Ziyad
24- Tareekh Khamees oage 300 Dhikr Yazeed
25- Hayaath al Haywaan Volume 2 page 196
26- Tareekh Islam Volume 2 page 356 events of 63 Hijri
27- Ahsan aur Meezan Volume 5 page 284
28- Tafseer Mazhari Volume 5 page 61 Surah Ibraheem part 13
29- Murudjh al Dhahab Volume 3 page 78 Dhikr Yazeed
30- Taufa Ithna Ashari page 6 Chapter 1
31- Muttalib al Saul Volume 2 page 26 Dhikr Husayn
32- Nur al Absar page 139 Dhikr Husayn
33- Sharh Muqassid Volume 2 page 309 Part 6
34- Al Tabaqat al Akbar Volume 5 page 96
35- Mustadrak al Hakim Volume 3 page 522
36- Tareekh Ibn Asakir page 275
37- Al Isaba page 181
38- Meezan al Itidal Volume 4 page 440
39- Wafa al Wafa Volume 1 page 127
40- Tahdheeb al Itidal Volume 11 page 361
41- Tabthaseer wa al Sharaf page 265 Dhikr Yazeed
42- Mujum al buldan Volume 2 page 253 Dkikr Harra
43- Fathul Bari Volume 13 page 70 Dhikr Yazeed
44- Irshad al Sari Volume 10 pages 171 and 199 Bab ul Fitan
45- Sirush Shahadathayn page 26 Dhikr Shahadath Imam Hasan
46- Minhajj al Sunnah page 239 Dhikr Yazeed
47- Takmeel al Iman page 178
48- Shaheed Karbala pages 11-12 by Mufti Muhammad Shaafi
49- Sharh Muwatta Imam Malik Volume 5 page 435 by Shaykh Muhammad Zakaria
50- Tareekh Milat page 55 Part 3 by Qadhi Zaynul Abideen
51- Tarrekh Islam Volume 2 page 56 by Akbar Najeeb Abadhi
52- Bahar Shariat Volume 1 page 76
53- Hidayaath al Shi'a Volume 1 page 95 by Allamah Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi
54- Isthaklah ai Yazeed page 312 by Maulanan Lal Shah Bukhari
55- Fitna Kharijee Volume 1 page 267 by Qadhi Madhar Husayn
56- Mukthubaath Shaykhul Islam Volume 1 page 267 by Maulana Husayn Hamdani
57- Sharh Shifa Volume 1 page 694 by Mulla 'Ali Qari al Hanafi
58- Siraaj Muneer Sharh Jama Sagheer Volume 3 page 382
59- Hujutul Balagha page 507
60- Qasim al Ulum page 221
61- Nabraas ala Sharh Aqaid page 553
62- Ahsaaf al Ghaneen page 210
63- Yazeed bin Mu'awiya page 30 by Ibn Taymeeya
64- Muktobaath page 203 by Qadhi Thanaullah Panee Pathee
65- Al Shabeeya page 60 by Barelvi
66- Al Mafooz page 114 Barelvi
67- Ahsaan alwa page 52 by Barelvi
68- Ahkam Shariat Volume 2 page 88 Barelvi
69- Fatawi Volume 5 page 51 by AA Thanvi
70- Fatawa Rasheediya Volume 1 page 7
71- Skahyk al Islam bu Muhammad Qaim Nanothi Voluime 1 page 258
72- Imam Pak aur Yazeed paleeth by M Shaafi page 33
73- Tabat Ibn Sa'd page 283 Dhikr Ma'aqil bin Sanan
74- Mirqaat Sharh mishkaat Volume 1 page 120
75- Umdah Qari fo Sharh Bukhari Volume 11 page 334
76- Fatawa Azeezi Volume 1 page 21
77- Izalath al Ghaneen Volume 1 page 368 by Maulana Haydher 'Ali
78- Muttalib al Saul page 26
79- Nur al Absar page 139
80- Neel al Authar Volume 7 page 181 Dhikr Jihad
81- Tahdheeb Abu Shakur Shaami page 15
82- Al Samra page 317 by ibn Shareef Shaami
83- Mujmua al Zadhaar page 241
84- Khilafat Mu'awiya aur Yazeed page 378 Dhikr Yazeed
85- Muruj al Nubuwat Volume 1 page 126
86- Ahkam al Qur'an Volume 3 page 119
87- Tareekh Ibn Asakir Volume 5 page 107
88- Tafseer Ruh al Ma'ani page 72 Surah Muhammad
89- Siraj Muneera Sharh Jama al Sagheera Volume 2 page 80 Letter Alif
90- Shadharat al Dhahab page 69, Volume 1
91- Wafa al-Wafa Volume 1 page 217
silenteyes
wahabiyo'n ka sab say bara mufassir or tareekh dan Ibn'ay Kaseer (Ibn Kathir) khud apni book al Bidayah Volume 8 main kahta hai



In English here...

"Traditions inform us that Yazeed loved worldly vices, would drink, listen to music, kept the company of boys with no facial hair [civil expression for paedophilia with boys, a form of homo@@@uality], played drums, kept dogs [civil expression for bestiality], making frogs, bears and monkeys fight. Every morning he used be intoxicated and use to bind monkey with the saddle of a horse and make the horse run�".
silenteyes
I request k jab tak meri next reply na ho koi post na kare is topic par.. (raat boht ho gayi, ammi mare gi)

THANK YOU
silenteyes
salaam keep reading.................

Ibn Atheer's comments on Yazeed

In Tareekh al Kamil Volume 3 page 450 Ibn Atheer narrates from Munzir bin Zabeer:
"Verily Yazeed rewarded me with 100,000 dirhams but this cannot stop me from highlighting his state, By Allah he is a drunkard�"


Allamah Dhahabi's naration and verdict on Yazeed

In "Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala" Volume 4 pages 37-38, Dhahabi narrates:

"Ziyad Hurshee narrates 'Yazeed gave me alcohol to drink, I had never drunk alcohol like that before and I enquired where he had obtained its ingredients'. Yazeed replied 'it is made of sweet pomegranate, honey from Isfahan, sugar from Hawaz and g****s from Burdah�Yazeed indulged in alcohol and would participate in actions that opposed the dictates set by Allah (swt)".

In "Shadharat al Dhahab" page 69, Volume 1, Ibn al-'Imad al-Hanbali cites these comments of Dhahabi:

"Mu'awiya's son Yazeed was an enemy of 'Ali, a Nasibi, a man of evil nature, and a drunkard".


Ibn Jauzi's comments on Yazeed 'the drunkard'

Ibn Jauzi in Wafa al-Wafa:

"Yazeed appointed his cousin Uthman bin Muhammad bin Abu Sufyan as Governor of Madina. He sent a delegation to visit Yazeed who bore gifts so that they might take the oath of allegiance to him. Upon their return they said 'We have returned having visited a man who has no religion, he drinks, plays instruments, keeps the company of singers and dogs [civil word for bestiality], we declare that we have broken our allegiance to him. Abdullah bin Abi Umro bin Hafs Mukhzumee commented 'Yazeed gave me gifts. But the reality is this man is an enemy of Allah (swt) and a drunkard. I shall separate myself from him in the same way that I remove my turban [from my head]�."

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Anti-shia writer Ibn Hajr's comments on Yazeed

In his book written against the Shi'a, Sawaiqh al Muhriqa, Ibn Hajr sets out the
traditional Sunni position on Yazeed:

"There is difference between Ahl'ul Sunnah over whether Mu'awiya's heir apparent Yazeed was a kaafir. One group have deemed Yazeed to be a kaafir, another has stated he was a Muslim but a fasiq (transgressor), a fajir (one that commits debauchery) and a drunkard. There is consensus over his fisq (transgression). One party of Ulema have stated that you can curse him by name, this includes individuals such as Ibn Jauzi and Ahmad. One group made up of individuals such as Ibn Jauzi deem Yazeed a kaafir, others say he was not a kaafir but rather this is a matter that has caused a difference of opinion. The majority of Ahl'ul Sunnah all agree that he was a fasiq (transgressor), a fajir (one that commits debauchery) and a drunkard. Waqidi had recorded a narration 'Verily we opposed Yazeed fearing Allah (swt) would reign stones down on us, Yazeed considered nikah (marriage) with mothers and sisters to be permissible and drank alcohol".

In Thatheer al Janaan, Ibn Hajr al Makki had stated:

"Rasulullah (s) witnessed a dream in which thirty individuals were jumping on his pulpit like monkeys. This pained Rasulullah (s) so much that until his death no one ever witnessed him smiling. The thirty include the family of Marwan and Yazeed, Yazeed was the worst of them and the greatest Fasiq, and there is a group amongst the [Sunni] imams that have issued fatwas deeming Yazeed to be a Fasiq and a kaafir. Rasulullah (s) said that the Deen would be destroyed at the hands of the youth from Quraysh. This refers to Banu Marwan, Yazeed bin Mu'awiya and others. Yazeed ranks amongst the most debased dhaalims and fasiqs of all time".


A Sahaba's testimony that Yazeed was an incestuous drunkard

In Isaba we read:

"The Sahaba Maqil stated that 'Yazeed drank alcohol, committed zina with his mahram relatives, infact he performed every type of bad action"

Shah Abdul Aziz's comments on Yazeed

In Sirush Shahadhathayn, Shah Abdul Aziz kahte hain:

"Imam Husayn did not give bayya to Yazeed because he was a drunkard, a fasiq and Dhaalim".
silenteyes
Ibn Taymeeya's condemnation of unjust Yazeed

Wahabiyo'n ka doosra sab say bara aalim/writer Ibn Taymeeya aoni book Minhajj main likhta hai.....

"Yazeed had the sword and hence he had the power to deal with anyone that opposed him. He had the power to reward his subjects with the contents of the treasury, and could also withhold their rights. He had the power to punish criminals; it is in this context that we can understand that he was the khalifah and king. Issues such as Yazeed's piety or lack of it, or his honesty or lack of it, is another matter. In all of his actions Yazeed was not just, there is no dispute amongst the people of Islam on this matter".
silenteyes
Any narrations by Yazeed are to be rejected

In Ahsan aur Meezan:

"Yazeed was a fasiq, faajir, we cannot rely on his narrations"

Yazeed ka bad'kirdaar or baatil character sab k samnay itna wazeh hai k us say mansoob ahadiees ko reject kar diya jata hai... smile.gif
silenteyes
It is not permissible to say Yazeed "( r )"

In Fatawa Abdul Hai, the author states after condemning Yazeed, "�one should not say Yazeed radhina or rahmathullah".
silenteyes
Barelvi Ulema have deemed Yazeed a fasiq

Ahmad Reza Barelvi in Irfan al Shariat stated:

"There is an agreement amongst the Ahl'ul Sunnah that he was a fasiq and a fajir, the dispute is over whether he was a kaafir".

Shariat Mukhammad Majid 'Ali Shakir stated in Badh Shariat:

"Some say 'Why should we discuss such a thing since he [Yazeed] was a King and he [Husayn] was also a King' - one who makes such comments {refusing to hold opinion on Yazeed and Husayn (as)] is accursed, a Kharijee, Nasibi and hell bound. The dispute is over whether he [Yazeed] was a kaafir. The madhab of Abu Hanifa stipulates that he was a fasiq and fajir, nor was he a kaafir nor a Muslim".
silenteyes
Deobandi Ulema have deemed Yazeed to be a fasiq

The founder of Dar al Ulum Deoband, Muhammad Qasim Nanuthee stated in Qasim al Ulum:

"Yazeed was a fasiq, he was irregular in Salat, committed Bidah and was Chief of the Nasibi".

Ashraf 'Ali Thanvi in Fatawi stated:

"Yazeed was a fasiq, there are different levels of fisq".

Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi in Fatawa said:

"One should refrain from calling Yazeed a kaafir, but there is no objection to referring to him as a fasiq".

In Shaheed ai Kerbala aur Yazeed, Deobandi scholar Muhammad Tayyib stated:

"Yazeed was a fasiq and a fajir and there is absolute unanimity amongst the scholars on this point".

Maulana Muhammad Shaafi in 'Imam Pak aur Yazeed Paleeth' stated:

"Yazeed was not pious rather but was a fasiq, fajir, dhaalim and a drunkard".

Mulla 'Ali Qari in Sharh Shifa commenting on hadith that the Deen will be harmed by young men states:

"The destruction of the Deen at the hands of a young man refers to Yazeed bin Mu'awiya who sent Muslim bin Uqba to pillage Madina"

In 'Siraaj Muneera', Allamah 'Ali bin Ahmad also stated that the hadith refers to Yazeed. The same comment can also be located in Ashiaath al Lamaat by al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Haq Dehlavi.

In al Bidaya wa al Nihaya we read:

"The Deen will be damaged at the hands of a man from Banu Ummaya whose name shall be Yazeed"
silenteyes
One who attacks Medina is cursed

Ibn'ay Kaseer apni book Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah (Urdu), Vol 8 main likhta hai...:

"Rasulullah (s) said whoever perpetuated injustice and frightened the residents of Medina, the curse (la'nat) of Allah (swt), His Angels and all people is on such a person"

silenteyes
Yazeed's attack on Madina

Shaykh al hadith Muhammad Zakaria aoni book 'au khanar al masalik' main likhte hain:

"The army that Yazeed had sent to Medina comprised of 60,000 horsemen and 15,000 foot soldiers. For three days they shed blood freely, 1000 women were ****d and 700 named Quraysh and Ansar were killed. Ten thousand women and children were made slaves. Muslim bin Uqba forced people to give bayya to Yazeed in such a manner that people were enslaved and Yazeed could sell them as he pleased, no Sahaba who were [with the Prophet (saws)] at Hudaibiya were spared".

Ibn Katheer in Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah (Urdu), Vol 8 Page 1146. The events of 63 Hijri, stated:

"Yazeed committed a major sin by ordering Muslim bin Utbah to make Medina Mubah for three days. This was a most horrible mistake. Many Sahaba and their children were slaughtered. We have already mentioned that he had Ubaidullah Ibn Ziyad kill the grandson of Rasulullah (s) Husayn and his companions and in those three days numerous heinous acts happened in Madina about which nobody knows except Allah. Yazeed wanted to secure his governance but Allah did against his wishes and punished him. Verily Allah killed him likewise Allah made grip over the oppressor's towns, no doubt His grip is painful and strict".
asim10
asa
to all muslims brothers.phelay main yeh jan naa chahoon gha kay silents eyes app ka taluk kis jammat say hay .shia ya sunni. dosree baat kay baat agar tehzeed kay dairay main hoon to behtar hay . kiuonkay talhee kisi ko bhee pasand nahin aya ghee .main bhee apnay dalail paidh karoon gha. aour faisla perhnay waloon per chorta hoon . kay kouan sahih baat keh raha hay
app jab apnay ref khatam kar lain to bata dee jee aiy gha.aour dosree baat kay agar copy past karnay ke bajaa aiy khud apnee kowee tehqeeq paish kartay to buhat hee maza ata .bahr hall app kay ref jab khatam hoon to bata daina main apnay dalain choro karoon gha. aour abb app nay pechay nahin hatnnaa . shukria

silenteyes
Yazeed used to bad acts with his mother and sisters

Authentic Sunni sources hain:


1. Tabaqath al Kabeera Volume 5 page 66 Dhikr Abdullah bin Hanzala and Volume 4 page 283
2. Tareekh ul Khulafa, (Urdu), page 210 Dhikr Yazeed
3. Sawqih al Muhriqa page 132 Dhikr Yazeed
4. Mustadrak al Hakim Volume page 522
5. Al Isaba Volume 3 page 469
6. Ya Nabi al Mawaddath page 326
7. Tareekh Ibn Asakir Volume 7 page 275
8. Fatawi Abdul Hai page 79
9. Tareekh al Islam Volume 2 page 356
10. Al Masalaik Sharh Muwatta Imam Malik page 435


in Tabaqath:

"Abdullah bin Hanzala the Sahaba stated 'By Allah we opposed Yazeed at the point when we feared that stones would reign down on us from the skies. He was a fasiq who copulated with his mother, sister and daughters, who drank alcohol and did not offer Salat"

Allamah Jalaluddin Suyuti writes in Tareekh ul Khulafa:

"Waqidi has narrated from Abdullah bin Hinzala al Ghaseel: 'We prepared to attack Yazeed at the time when we were sure that stones would come from sky because people were doing Nikah with their mothers, sisters and daughters. They were drinking alcohol and have left prayers'."


silenteyes
ab Yazeed k character ki mazeed details main janay ki bajaye main simply khulasa bayan karta hoo'n un sab sunni/wahabi books se jo maine reference main quote ki thi'n.....

1- Yazeed was a fasiq and fajir.
2- He attacked Makkah and Madina and killed many innocent people.
3- Yazeed used to drink sharaab.
4- Yazeed used to do zina.
5- Yazeed was fond of singing.
6- Yazeed was zalim.
7- Yazeed rejected quran.
8- Muawiya knew each and every action of Yazeed and despite knowing it he appointed him khalifa.


yai sab batain above mentioned books jo k ahl'ay sunnat or wahabism k bare alimo'n nay likhi hain wahan say li hain. smile.gif

ab aap khud sochain is Yazeed maghfrat'shuda ?

kiya rasool allah k sachay or khaalis sahabi is jaise shakhs ki baye't kar sakte thay. ? in case agar aap hote to kiya kartay us ki baye't?
silenteyes
QUOTE(asim10 @ Nov 28 2007, 11:16 PM) [snapback]2598327[/snapback]
phelay main yeh jan naa chahoon gha kay silents eyes app ka taluk kis jammat say hay .shia ya sunni.

mera tallu'q software engineers ki jamaat say hai .

QUOTE(asim10)
dosree baat kay baat agar tehzeed kay dairay main hoon to behtar hay . kiuonkay talhee kisi ko bhee pasand nahin aya ghee

Inshallah main tahezeeb k dairay main hi rahu'n ga agar AAP RAHE to. jaisa ka abhi tak raha hoo'n.

CODE
main bhee apnay dalail paidh karoon gha. aour faisla perhnay waloon per chorta hoon . kay kouan sahih baat keh raha hay
app jab apnay ref khatam kar lain to bata dee jee aiy gha.

You may proceed now. or haan maine abhi tak kuch bhi apni taraf say nahi likha sab ka sab ahl'ay sunnat or wahaabiyo'n (yours) ki books say likha hai.. sab say pehle maine quran main Allah taala ka faisla sunaya hai k zaalim, faajir, faasiq khalifa/Imam nahi ban sakta momneen ka.. us k baad maine Islamic Tareekh k barray baray naamo'nki books say yazeed ka cahracter paish kiya hai.... phir aap say poocha hai k kiya aap us waqt hotay or nabi k sahaaba main shamil hotay to kiya aise banday ki khilafat qabool kar k baye't kar lete ? or us ko maghfrat'shuda samjhtay.. smile.gif

CODE
aour dosree baat kay agar copy past karnay ke bajaa aiy khud apnee kowee tehqeeq paish kartay to buhat hee maza ata .bahr hall app kay ref jab khatam hoon to bata daina main apnay dalain choro karoon gha. aour abb app nay pechay nahin hatnnaa . shukria

jitni books batayi hain in main say to kuch maine khud parhi hui hain... so maine kisi ki suni sunaayi baat nahi likhi idhar.... aap ki farmaayesh par aankho'n dekha haal bhi likh doo'n ?

Ahl'ay baye't k mazaar par aap jab bhi jaye'n aap ko har mazhab, maslak or fiqa k log salam kahte nazar aaye'n gay.... laikin is Yazeed ki qabar kabhi dekhi aap nay ? dekh kar hi ibrat ka ahsaas hota hai.. or janwar waha'n farigh honay jate hain.... (still in tehzeeb k dayray main because I have mentioned ankho'n dekha haal )
thriller_demon
agar ASIM ki logic ko maanliaa jayee tuuu

BUSH beegunaa hay aor

uss ka koi direct HAATH nahi AFGHANITAN , IRAQ main hany wali

HALAKATOON aor KATALAY AAMM main.
asim10
asa. to all muslims,
sub say pehlee baat kay main nay app say kaha tha kay baat tehzeeb kay dairay main ho ghee. magar app nay mujhay wahabi kay naam say pukara.mujhay khoshee hay kay app nay mujhay kisi insan say mansoob karnaay ke bajaa aiy wahab (ALLAH KA NAAM) say mansoob kiya.laikin kisi ko bila wajah kisi bhee naam say pukrna acha nahin.
ap nay apnay dalail to deeyai magar sirf naam liknay per iktifa kar diya. halanakay ref dainay ka tareeqa yeh hota hay kay poraa ref diya jaa aiy aour book ka bhee likha jaa aiy kay kahan say chapeee hay ta kay main bhee usay hasil karnay ke koshish karoon . aour parh sakoon.jo do scaned page app nay diyaiy hain woh bilkul sahih hay magar ibn e kaseer kay aour bhe safhaat hain woh bhee parh laitay . kay woh yazeed kay baray main kiya kehta hay.
aour tareekh al khulafa kay baray main mera nazriya yeh hay kay jis tarha app nay copy paste kiya hay itna moaad, yehee kaam sayootee sahib nay kiya . yanee us nay bhee apnay say phelee likhee howee books say copy kar kay apnee book main paste kar diya.isay app kowee ilmi tehqeeq nahin keh saktay . aour baqee tareekh danoon main say bhee aksareeyat kee yehee halat hay kay jo apnay say pehlay say mila usay joon ka toon naqal kar diya.
isi wajah say app ko taqreeban her tareekh aik jaisee miltee hay . hata kay baaz kay too alfaaz bhee baaz aoqaat aik hee jaisay hotay hain. yeh too tha tareekh danoo ka hall.
abb app nay apnay ref khatam kar deeyai hain too main apnay dalail paish karoon gha.magar main chonkay copy paste nahin karoon gha is lee yai mujhay shayad time ziyda lag jaa aiy apnay ref dainay main .
aik aour baat choonkay app nay ref sunni books say deeyai hain is leeya app koo mairee hee kahee howee baat mann nee hoo ghee. agar ref app ke books say hotay too phir app ke baat manee jatee.bahr hall yazeed kay maghfirat shuda hona ka ref too main nay day diya. ab main app ke tamam post ka jawab one by one jawab gha . shukria
yeh topic khatam honay kay baad inshallah ahlay bait ka topic shoro karoon gha allah ke madad say.
silenteyes
QUOTE(asim10 @ Dec 1 2007, 12:56 AM) [snapback]2602696[/snapback]
ibn e kaseer kay aour bhe safhaat hain woh bhee parh laitay . kay woh yazeed kay baray main kiya kehta hay.

kiya likhta hai.. aap batayen zara.. kiya wo Yazeed ko maghfrat'shuda likhta hai....!

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aour tareekh al khulafa kay baray main mera nazriya yeh hay kay jis tarha app nay copy paste kiya hay itna moaad, yehee kaam sayootee sahib nay kiya . yanee us nay bhee apnay say phelee likhee howee books say copy kar kay apnee book main paste kar diya.isay app kowee ilmi tehqeeq nahin keh saktay . aour baqee tareekh danoon main say bhee aksareeyat kee yehee halat hay kay jo apnay say pehlay say mila usay joon ka toon naqal kar diya.
isi wajah say app ko taqreeban her tareekh aik jaisee miltee hay . hata kay baaz kay too alfaaz bhee baaz aoqaat aik hee jaisay hotay hain. yeh too tha tareekh danoo ka hall.

tareekh daan ka kaam yai hota hai k wo ya to apnay say pehli likhi hui books ko as a reference use karta hai ya aankho'n dekha haal likhta hai... right?

yani k 2 categories ban gayi'n un ki .. Category A main wo tareekh daan aaye ga jis nay aankho'n dekha haal likha. or category B main wo tareekh daan aaya jis nay apne say pichlay tareekh daan ki book say material liya.. jinhon nay ankhon dekha haal likha tha.....right ?

mainay 91 names aise bataye hain jo aalim'ay islam k baray baray tareekh daano'n or mufassir'ay quran main shumaar hote hain or har tareekh ka student in ki books ko as a reference use karta hai.

Case 1: yai sab category A main shumaar hote hain... yani k inhon nay ankhon dekha Yazeed ka cahracter likha.. smile.gif
Case 2: yai sab category B main shumaar htoe hain...
Case 3: kuch category A k hain or kuch Category B k...

teeno'n cases main Yazeed ka character 1 faasiq, faajir, zaalim, sharaabi shakhs ka hi saabit hota hai... smile.gif

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aik aour baat choonkay app nay ref sunni books say deeyai hain is leeya app koo mairee hee kahee howee baat mann nee hoo ghee. agar ref app ke books say hotay too phir app ke baat manee jatee.

hainjee? aye kee gal hoyi... yai koi nayi logic nikaali hai bhai....

mainay sunni or wahabi aalimo'n ki books ka hawala diya hai... kiyun'kay aap ka maslak in main say 1 hai koi....
maza to tab aaye k aap kisi shia book ka hawala day kar Yazeed ko maghfrat'shuda saabit karain to smile.gif... anyway main yai paabandi aap par nahi lagata.. or jaisa k maine kaha tha k aap ki batayi gayi Hadees par bhi discussion ho gi.. magar abhi kuch baad main....

or haan'' aap nay tareekh daano'n wala point reject karne k liye apna man'gharat point diya tha ( jis ko maine disprove bhi kar diya oopar) laikin jo fatway maine post kiye hain diyo'bandi , barelvi or sunni aalimo'nk.. un ka kiya kahain gay aap? kiya wo bhi hansi mazaaq amindiye gaye ?

and one more thing plzz... aap k nazdeek Ilmi tehqeeq kiya ho gi ?
asim10
asa
main filhaal kowee dosra topic nahin chairna chahta warna app kee her baat jawab dai sakta hoon.
ajj tak kowee tareekh daan mairee nazar say aisa nahin ghuzra jis nay apnay samnay honay walay waqiyat likhay hoon .agar app ke nazar main kowee aisa hoo too bata dain. shukria.
aour jin 91 mufasareen kay naam app nay diya hain un main say to aksareeyat kaa app ko bhee pata nahin ho gha.yeh app nay sirf kisi web site say name paste kar diya hain
aour in main bhee buhat say naam aisay hain jin ka baray main buhat hee wazahat hay kay woh shia kay alim hain .
app ke saree post jo main nay parhee hain woh sirf isi baat kay gird ghomtee hain kay yazeed kafir tha, fasiq tha,fajir tha. inshallah main is kee wazahat karoon gha kay yazeed na sirf naik banda tha bulkay hafiz quran aour ahadith ka rawee,mujahid aour intehaayee deen daar banda tha. laikin main baat aisay hee nahin karna chahta , main ref kay sath baat karoon gha. aour inshallah app ke tarha sirf books kay naam dainay per iktifaa nahin karoon gha bulkay koshish karoon gha kay full ref dooon.inshallah
asim10
asa
now i will start my ref .
1.yazeed maghfirat shuda hay is ka ref main day chuka hoon aour yehee mairee sub say baree daleel hay yazeed kay maghfirat shuda honay kee.
app nay kaha main isay reject kar chuka hoon . app phelay plz apnee haisiyat wazaih karain kay app muhadith hain mufasir hain moarakh hain kiya hain . jo app aik hadith ko reject kar rahay hain.
2.kowee bhee hadith app kay kehnay say reject nahin ho saktee . kisi bhee hadith ko reject karnay kay kuch asool hain agar app un kay zareeyai mairee dee howee bukhari kee hadith reject karain too main app kee baat man loon.
3. yeh to tamam ulema ka mutfiqa faisla hay kay hadith kay samnay tareekh kee kowee haisiyat nahin . kiuon kay her her hadith chahay woh kisi bhee muhadith kee hoo.aik process say ghuzree hotee hay jis kay baad muhadatheen us hadith ka status wazay kartay hain .kay yeh hadith kis darjay kee hay .sahih hay ,hassan hay,zaeef hay ,mozo hay ya munkir hay .is tarha app kay yaa mairay kehnay say kowee hadith reject nahin ho saktee.
is liiya plz app mairee is pehlee daleel ka kowee maqool jawab dain . shukria

asim10
jo kowee dost arbee parh skata hoo too yeh page check kar lay
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display...%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB
urdu book jis kay pass hoo woh yeh ref check kar lay.
sahih bukhari gild 2:bab jihad wal seeyar: kitab room say larnay waloon ke fazeelat.
inshallah main koshish karoon gha kay is hadith scan kar kay is page per laga doon
yazeed is maghfirat shuda lashkar main shareek tha.is urdu ref
sahih al bukhari.kitab al JUMA,bab ,.bajamat nawafil ke fazeelat.hadith no .1113 :
aour online arabic ref yeh hay
[url=http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=1113&doc=0&IMAGE=%DA%D1%CF%ED%CB[/url]
silenteyes
QUOTE(asim10 @ Dec 3 2007, 12:38 AM) [snapback]2605744[/snapback]
now i will start my ref .
1.yazeed maghfirat shuda hay is ka ref main day chuka hoon aour yehee mairee sub say baree daleel hay yazeed kay maghfirat shuda honay kee.
app nay kaha main isay reject kar chuka hoon . app phelay plz apnee haisiyat wazaih karain kay app muhadith hain mufasir hain moarakh hain kiya hain . jo app aik hadith ko reject kar rahay hain.


maine aisa kab kaha.. zara post# batao....

maine 2 different places par kaha hai k aap ki posted hadees par bhi baat ho gi maagr abhi kuch dair baad main pehle main yai dekh loo'n k aap meri posted sab references or aayet k baray main kiya kahte hain....

check my post#30 on this thread....and also somewhere on start....
asim10
MAIRYA ITNAY SARAY SAWALOON KA KOWEE JAWAB NAHIN .MAIREE DEE HOWEE AHADTIH PER KOWEE BAAT NAHIN .BUHAT HEE KHAIRAT KEE BAAT HAY.
silenteyes
Ok. If you are serious about dicussing this topic kindly zara aik dafa shuroo say yai sara thread dobaara parh lain.... Read my all replies and don't skip over them. Then post your scanned images of this hadees in urdu hadees book (Bukhari) and mention the hadees type also ( hasan, zaeef, mutwaatir etc....)

wesay main chahta tha k aap meri post ki hui quranic aayet par pehle baat karain... or batayen k do you agree with it or not ? Then we would have continued our discussion on your posted hadees.. anyways..
silenteyes
QUOTE(sohani @ Nov 22 2007, 04:16 PM) [snapback]2588376[/snapback]
kuch dino pehlay iraq ya iran main aik larki ko gairat k naam per qatal kiya gaya tha
us ka naam dua khalil masood tha
woh shayad yazeed quam k hi thi i think
main sure nahi hooo k woh kis qaum k thi mager shayad woh yazeed hi thi
aur ager asa hai to app kiya kehtay hai is bare main


Sohani !
Are you addressing me or Asim?
Khalish
Thanks for valueable comments/contributions by all participants. I think we had enough of it.

This post is now closed for further discussion.
silenteyes
Asim you can post here now.
silenteyes
QUOTE(asim10 @ Dec 4 2007, 08:56 PM) [snapback]2609664[/snapback]
MAIRYA ITNAY SARAY SAWALOON KA KOWEE JAWAB NAHIN .MAIREE DEE HOWEE AHADTIH PER KOWEE BAAT NAHIN .BUHAT HEE KHAIRAT KEE BAAT HAY.

aap ab a bhi ajo ta k un par bhi baat ho
asim10
thanks for information about this catg.is waqat to nahin kall apnee baat shoro karoon gha inshallah
silenteyes
come on..........
aaminah
hmmm this post gonna b Doubtful...for those who don't have much grip on Religion...



I would Pray for this *Differentiation Power* btw Truth & Falsehood duas.gif
from_da_lost_dimension
sunni ulemas kya kehte hain yazeed ke baree mein ??agar dekhta jayee to shias ko to shahabas se bhi problrm hai jin ko sunni buhat maantee hia ,i dont care ke shias kisi ko acha yah burra kahein , shias aur sunnis ko apas mein co exist kerna hoo ga...........aik doosree kie tolerate ker ker rehna hoo gaa chahyee aik doosree ki baat se agree karein yah naa karein ,.. bus main suni scohlors ka POV janna chahtaa hoon is baree mein !
silenteyes
QUOTE(from_da_lost_dimension @ Jan 23 2008, 07:21 AM) [snapback]2682754[/snapback]
sunni ulemas kya kehte hain yazeed ke baree mein ??agar dekhta jayee to shias ko to shahabas se bhi problrm hai jin ko sunni buhat maantee hia ,i dont care ke shias kisi ko acha yah burra kahein , shias aur sunnis ko apas mein co exist kerna hoo ga...........aik doosree kie tolerate ker ker rehna hoo gaa chahyee aik doosree ki baat se agree karein yah naa karein ,.. bus main suni scohlors ka POV janna chahtaa hoon is baree mein !


salaam

did you read this entire post ?
from_da_lost_dimension
QUOTE(silenteyes @ Jan 24 2008, 08:13 PM) [snapback]2685564[/snapback]
salaam

did you read this entire post ?

read b/w the lines skipped through a lotta them , mujhe copy paste jobs pasand nahin , i'd rather read what you have to say about the topic ! and how about we keep it in urdu this time ?
classic
ab to itne sare din hogae asim kahan hai....................
apne refrences to diye hi nahi halank topic bhi isi ka tha breakface1.gif
real-picture
READ CAREFULLY,IT SHOWS MANY OF SUNNI SCHOLAR'S VIEW ABOUT YAZEED.NOT TALKING ABOUT SHIA WHO CURSE EVERY1.
NO-1 IMAM HANBIL
Imâm Ibn H.ajar al-Haytamî in al-S.awâ`iq al-Muh.riqa cited Ibn al-Jawzî's attribution of this position to Imâm Ah.mad via Abû Ya`lâ in his Mu`tamad fîl-Us.ûl, the latter narrating it from S.âlih. ibn Ah.mad, from the Imâm. However, Abû Muh.ammad al-Tamîmî in his `Aqîdat al-Imâm Ah.mad relates a contrary position from Imâm Ah.mad, as narrated by Abû Ya`lâ's son in T.abaqât al- H.anâbila and Ibn Muflih. in al-Maqs.ad al-Arshad:

He [Imâm Ahmad] withheld saying anything about Yazîd ibn Mu`âwiya but rather committed his matter to Allâh. He would refrain from speaking against anyone from the first century. But our [H.anbalî] colleagues differ concerning him [Yazîd]. Some declared it permissible to blame him because he terrified al-Madîna and the Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him - cursed whoever terrifies al-Madîna. Others withheld from taking any position. Imâm Ah.mad was asked about it and he said: 'People prayed behind him and took his alms.' Others considered him among the Muslims that sinned and it is better to refrain from taking any position in what is not obligatory. It was impermissible to curse any Muslim unless the Law provided a proof-text to that effect. For it is narrated and transmitted that to curse a Muslim is like killing him and that the Believer is not one given to cursing. 1

From the above it can be seen that the claim that "Imâm Ah.mad ibn H.anbal permits that curses be pronounced against Yazîd" made by Shaykh Muh.ammad ibn Rasûl al- Barzanjî in al-Ishâ`a fî Ashrât. al-Sâ`a (Shukrî ed. p. 77 and p. 144) is not correct even though Ah.mad did forbid narrating from him cf. T.abaqât al-H.anâbila (1:347) from Muhannâ ibn Yah.yâ al-Shâmî.

http://www.livingislam.org/n/asym_e.html

NO.2 IMAM TAMIYA
“The Muslims conquered Constantinople twice, first in the time of Mu’awiyah with Abu Ayub al Ansari and after that battle Abu Ayyub was buried.” [Majmou’ Al Fattawa v18]

Abdullah ibn Umar narrated that

“The Messenger said, “the first army that conquers Constantinople will be forgiven.”

That is the conquest by Mu’awiyah (ra) and among that army was Yazeed ibn Mu’awiyah, so how dare some people insult Yazeed when Allah has forgiven that army?

The second conquest of Constantinople was the one of Abdul Malik ibn Marwan who appointed his son Maslamah and sent an expedition for Constantinople, they did not enter but agreed to build the aghia Sophia Masjid (now a museum) and to rule over it by Islam. After that Muhammad Al Fateh opened it completely.

Moreoever, Ibn Taymiyyah reported in Majmou’ Al Fattawa v35 p138, said,


TAKEN FROM ISLAMIC THINKER SOCIETY…IMP

NO..3 What follows is a list of some of the scholars who held various opinions about Yazeed ibn Mua’wiyyah.
1. Imaam Muhammad Ghazzalee (d.505H)
Imaam Muhammad Gazzalee said he was a muslim with a correct aqeedah and a complete muslim and it is not permissible in the sharee’ah to curse and abuse him.
(see Ahyaa al-Uloom (3/108), Wafyaat al-A’yaan (1/328), Miratul-Janaan (3/176), al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah (12/173), Hayaat al-Haiwaan (2/176), Sawaa’iq al-Meharqah (pg.222), Dhuu al-Ma’alee (pg.49), Sharh Fiqhul-Akbar (pg.87), Nibraas (pg.551), Shadhraat adh-Dhahab Fee Akhbaar Minal Madhab (1/69), Tafseer Rooh al-Ma’anee (13/73), Fataawa Azeezee (1/100), Fataawa Abdul-Hayy (1/60), Aqaa’id al-Islaam (pg.223).
2. Imaam Qaadhee Abu Bakr ibn al-Arabee Maalikee (d.543H)
He did not hold permissible the cursing and abusing of Yazeed nor declaring him to be a disbeliever. He said,
“If it is said justice and knowledge are from the conditions of Khilaafah and Yazeed neither had justice or knowledge, then we will say what is the thing by which he have to come to know Yazeed had no justice or knowledge.” (al-Awaasim Minal Qawaasim (pg.222)
He also said,
“Where are those historians who wrote against Yazeed in mentioning alcohol and open sinning, do they not have any shame?” (al-Awaasim Minal Qawaasim (pg.222)
3. Shaikh Abdul-Mugeeth Hanbalee (d.583H)
He was not in favour of cursing Yazeed nor declaring him to be a disbeliever, rather he authored a biography of Yazeed with the title of, “Fadhal Yazeed.”
“and his (Abdul-Mugeeth’s) book ‘Fadhal Yazeed bin Mu’awiyyah’, in it he has mentioned strange incidences.” (Hidaayatul A’aarifeen Asmaa al-Mu’allifeen Wa Athaar Musannifeen (5/623), al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah (12/328).
Haafidh Ibn Katheer said about him,
“He was from the righteous Hanbalee’s who the common folk referred to.” (al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah (12/328).
Imaam Ibn al-Jawzee said,
“I hope from Allaah that me and Abdul-Mugeeth will be together in Paradise. Muhib ud deen Abul-Baqaa said from this we find (ibn al-Jawzee) knew Abdul-Mugeeth was from the righteous worshippers of Allaah and may he have mercy on both of them.” (Dhail Tabaqaat Hanabillah (1/356) of Ibn Rajab.)
4. Allaamah Abul-Khair Qazwainee. (d.590H)
Imaam Ibn Katheer said,
“After he left Qazwain he went to Baghdaad where he became a teacher in Madrassah Nizaamiyyah and he would admonish and deliver lectures to the people. So on the day of Ashoorah he sat on the minbar to admonish the people, it was said to him to curse Yazeed bin Mu’awiyyah. He replied, “He was but an Imaam Mujtahid.” (al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah (9/13), Risaalah al-Mustarfah Lee-Bayaan Mashoor Kitaab as-Sunnah al-Musharfah (pg.132).
5. Allaamah Ibn as-Saalah (d.646H)
He was also not in favour of cursing Yazeed or saying he was a disbeliever.
Ibn Hajr Makkee writes,
“Ibn Salaah who is from our jurists and scholars of hadeeth, I have seen in his Fataawa that when he was asked concerning the individual who would only curse Yazeed because he ordered the death of Hussain. Then in answer to this he said, according to us Yazeed ordering the death of Hussain is not correct and cursing and abusing Yazeed is not the sign of a believer…..” (as-Sawaa’iq al-Meharqah (pg.222).
6. Shaikh ul-Islaam Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728H)
He was neither in favour of cursing Yazeed nor declaring him to be a disbeliever. He says,
“And the people who curse Yazeed and other such people like him then it is UPON them to bring evidence,
Firstly: that he (Yazeed) was an open sinner and an oppressor and therefore prove he really was an open sinner and an oppressor. As allowing them to be cursed also needs to be proven that he continued this open sinning and oppression to the end up until his death.
Secondly: Then after this they must prove that it is permissible to curse specific people like Yazeed.”
He goes onto say,
“and the verse, “May the Curse of Allaah be upon the oppressors.” Is a general verse like the verses concerning punishment.”
He goes onto say,
“And the hadeeth of Bukhaari states the first army to wage Jihaad against Constantinople is forgiven and the first army to do Jihaad against Constantinople, their Ameer was Yazeed ibn Mu’waiyyah and the word army entails a specific number and every member of this army is included in this forgiveness………..” (Minhaaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah Fee Naqdh Kalaam ash-Shee’ah Wal-Qadariyyah (2/252), al-Muntaqa Minhaaj al-Ei’tidaal Fee Naqdh Kalaam ar-Rafdh Wal-Ei’tizaal (pg.290).
7. Haafidh Imaam Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah (d.751H).
Haafidh Ibn Qayyim writes in his book al-Manaar al-Muneef,
“ALL the narration’s that mention the censure of Yazeed bin Mu’awiyyah are lies.”
The he goes onto say on the same page,
“ALL the narration’s that mention the censure of Mu’awiyyah are lies.” (al-Manaar al-Muneef Fis-Saheeh Wadh-Dha’eef (pg.220).
8. Haafidh Imaam Ibn Katheer (d.774H)
After mentioning the position of al-Haraasee (of the permissibility of cursing) he mentions his statements and says,
“Imaam Ghazzalee has opposed the attribution of open sinning and tyranny to Yazeed and has prohibited from abusing Yazeed because he was a muslim and it is not established he expressed happiness or joy on the death of Hussain….” (al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah (12/173).
9. Haafidh Ibn Rajab (d.795H)
Haafidh Ibn Rajab also did not hold the opinion of cursing and declaring Yazeed to be a disbeliever. On the contrary he refute the allegation on Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal that he cursed Yazeed. So he writes in clear words,
“The statement of Imaam Ahmad only establishes cursing on all of the oppressors and there is no clarification or specification for the permissibility of cursing Yazeed only.” (Dhail Tabaqaat Hanabillah (2/356).
10. Mulla Alee Qaaree (d1014H).
Mulla Alee Qaaree said,
“The majority of the Scholars have prohibited cursing Yazeed and Hajjaaj.” (Mirqaat Sharh Mishkaat (4/52).
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Raful al-Laa’imah Aanil Ai’mah Series- Part 15
In Defence of Yazeed ibn Mu’awiyyah
(Rahimahullah)

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Introductory
Ameer al-Mu’mineen Yazeed ibn Mua’wiyyah was a believer with a correct and sound Aqeedah (belief) and accusing him to be a disbeliever is absolutely incorrect and a pure slander.
“Yazeed’s Islaam was correct as he was a believer.” (Wafyaan al-A’yaan Wa Abnaa Ibnaa az-Zamaan (1/328), Mir’atul-Janaan Wa-Ibratul-Yaqzaan Fee Ma’arifah Maa Ya’abir Min Hawaadith az-Zamaan (3/177).
Shaikh ul-Islaam al-Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah said,
“Yazeed was from the teenage muslims he was neither a disbeliever nor a Zindeeq (heretic) he used to give a lot (of wealth in charity) and he was brave. He did not have the evil and bad things which the enemies attribute to him.” (al-Waseeyatul-Kubraa (pg.300), Majmoo al-Fataawa (2/41).
He also said,
“This man (Yazeed) was a king from amongst the muslim kings and he was not like this and that (as the people claim).” (Minhaaj as-Sunnah (2/247).
He also said,
“Rather the Islaam of Mu’awiyyah, Yazeed, Banee Ummayyah and Banee Abbaas is established with Tawatur (ie so many narration’s) and similarly their praying, fasting and Jihaad against the non-believers is also established.” (Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/163)
Abdul-Hayy Husainee said,
“Attributing Fisq (open sinning) and disbelief to Yazeed ibn Mu’awiyyah is unlawful (haraam) and considering this to be lawful (ie these attributions to him) are unlawful (haraam).” (Nazhatul-Khawaatir Wa Bahjatul Masaama’a Wan-Nawaazir (7/514).
Ibn Hajr al-Makkee said,
“Yazeed was a believer from amongst the believers.” (as-Sawaa’iq al-Meharqah (pg.223).
Mulla Alee Qaaree said,
“Yazeed having Eemaan is not something which is hidden.” (Sharh Fiqhul al-Akbar (pg.88).
Ibn Khaldoon said,
“A majority of the companions were with Yazeed and they did not hold it permissible to rebel against him.” (Muqaddimah Ibn Khaldoon (pg.217
None of the four imam and the authors of the six well known books of hadeeth declared yazeed to be a disbeliver or a heretic.

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