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Abu Adnan
MJB
mujhey emergency ke baad se 1 aur C-130 ke asar lag rahey hain,,, kion ke jab tak hamari qiyadat apney aqa ke hukum pe chalti hey,, tab tak hi chalti,,, warna jahan wo un se ikhtalaf karey ya US ka kaam poora ho jaye,, tu wo farigh ker di jati hey,, civilian govt ko farigh kerna asan hota hey,,, lekin uniformed govt ke liye C-130 jaisa hi koi kaam ho ga,,,,, aur Musharraf ne tu wazeh tor pe baghawat ker di hey

doosri baat jo aham hey,,, hamarey fauji chahye jaisey hi kion na rahey hoon,,,, nuclear program pe kabhi soda nahin kya,,, aur na hi civilian govt ko kuch kerney diya hey,,, jab bhi army rule aya hey,,, pakistan ka nuclear program boost hua,,,1988-1999 key doran yeah wazeh tor pe slow down hua tha,,, ya yun kah saktey hain,,, ke jo achieve ker liya tha,,, wahan pe rok diya gya tha,,, lekin 1999 ke baad se pahir iss main taizi aie hey,,, aur shaid waqai jin spots ka US ko pata hey,,,, wahan hamla kerney se shaid exsiting facilities ko tu nuqsan pohanch jaye,,, lekin weapons tak shaid na pohanch sakain,,,, aur dossrey air strike itni asan nahin hey,,, haan B-52 se bombardment shaid ho sakey,,, lekin uska bhi kuch na kuch soch hi rakha ho ga,,,, abb itni batain bhi nahin kerni chahiye na
saima56
hamera fauji hahaha, soochna kii baat hai ka atomic program ka lia dr qadir aur atom bomb banana ka irada aik civilian na hii kia aur atomic bomb chalaya bhi aik civilian na..aur mujhe 100% yaqeen hai ka uss waqt agar koi fauji hukumuran hoota too wo atomic dhamkha nahi karta balka emdaad aur apni position mushtakham karna ka lia so called qoumi mufaad ka sahara laita thumbsdown_anim.gif thumbsdown_anim.gif

hamera fauji hukumuraan jab hukumaat mai aata hai haiin too woo america ka samna bheeghi bili baan jata hai aur u-turn per u-turn unn kii adat hooti hai..aur america ko ankhaiin sirf uss waqt dikhataiin hain jab america un ka iqtadaar ka hawala sa baat kar ta hai.. hamera general shab koo atomic sensitivity ka itna pata hai ka apni book bechna ka lia non-functional ka word bhi inhii ka qalam sa aya...
MJB
QUOTE(saima56 @ Nov 21 2007, 12:18 PM) [snapback]2586930[/snapback]
hamera fauji hahaha, soochna kii baat hai ka atomic program ka lia dr qadir aur atom bomb banana ka irada aik civilian na hii kia aur atomic bomb chalaya bhi aik civilian na..aur mujhe 100% yaqeen hai ka uss waqt agar koi fauji hukumuran hoota too wo atomic dhamkha nahi karta balka emdaad aur apni position mushtakham karna ka lia so called qoumi mufaad ka sahara laita thumbsdown_anim.gif thumbsdown_anim.gif

hamera fauji hukumuraan jab hukumaat mai aata hai haiin too woo america ka samna bheeghi bili baan jata hai aur u-turn per u-turn unn kii adat hooti hai..aur america ko ankhaiin sirf uss waqt dikhataiin hain jab america un ka iqtadaar ka hawala sa baat kar ta hai.. hamera general shab koo atomic sensitivity ka itna pata hai ka apni book bechna ka lia non-functional ka word bhi inhii ka qalam sa aya...

Bhutto agar na'ara na bhi lagata,,, tu atom bomb tu banna hi tha,,, 1956 main Atomic Energy Research Council banai gai thi,,,, magar 1960 main IH Usmani ne chairman banney ke baad jo islehaat kin,, aur isko kis track pe charhaya,, ussi ki badolat PAEC kuch kerney ke qabil hua,,, sab se aham kaaam scientists ki tyari thi,,, 1965 main PINSTECH ki bunyad rakh ke aur pahla reactor instal ker ke nuclear program ki ba'qaida ibtada ki,,, tu abb aap khud daikh lain ke syasatdanoon ne kitni efforts ki,, aur phir ayub dour main kitni paishraft hui,,, bhutto ne jahan AQ Khan ko dhonda,,,, wahan hi IH Usmani ko farigh ker ke PAEC ko na-qabil-e-talafi nuqsan bhi pohanchaya,,, AQ Khan ke anney se pakistan ka program boost up zaroor hua tha,,, lekin agar wo na bhi ata,,, tu atom bomb ban jana tha,,,, butto ne moqey se faida uthatey huey syasi chal chali jo ke hamarey aaqaoon ko achi na lagi,,,, agar wo shor na bhi machata,,, tu bomb tu banna tha,,, lekin shaid wo jaan se na jata,,,, uskey baad Zia ne unhi aaqaon ke samney ji hazoori kertey kertey isko barhaya,,, kuch halat pakistan ke haq main ho gye,,, ke US khul ke mukhlifat na ker saka,,, abb baat hey chalaney ki,,,, tu kya apkey khyal se pakistan jo missile bana raha hey,,,, aur iskey experiments ho rahey hain,,, iskey jo parameters verify kya ja rahey hain,,, specially jo guided bellastic misile ghalaban 2005 main test hua tha,,, aur baad main uski 1 aur nihayat aham parameter ko kamyabi ke sath test kya gya tha,,,, wo US ko aram se hazam ho raha hey,,,, kion ke wo 1 bari achivement thi,,

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hamera general shab koo atomic sensitivity ka itna pata hai ka apni book bechna ka lia non-functional ka word  bhi inhii ka qalam sa aya...


issko thora explain ker dain,,, siaq-o-sabaq ke sath,,, aur ho sakey tu page number bhi bata dain,,, thanks
saima56
QUOTE(MJB @ Nov 21 2007, 09:00 PM) [snapback]2587397[/snapback]
issko thora explain ker dain,,, siaq-o-sabaq ke sath,,, aur ho sakey tu page number bhi bata dain,,, thanks


mushraaf shab na farmaya tha ka kargil ki war ka waqt hamera atomic program operational nahi tha.. iss lafz per bhut sa logoon na un per tanqeed ki thi ka unhoon na aik aham qoumi waqai zahir kar ka ghadari ka murtakib ki hai.. mere pass iss waqt book nahi laken yeh too bhut mashoor baat hai iss per to columns ka columns likha gaya tha..

bhai mai to atomic program ka asal moujid dr qadeer ko hi shamjhti hoon aur mujhe apna civilians hukmuranoon ka bara mai yeh pata hai ka lakh bura sahi magar jab waqt aya to daat gaya aur 9 phone sunn kar bhi peecha nahi hata..iss ka barasak aik phone woo bhi nichala darja ka mulazim ka sunn ka poora laiit jana hamera general shab ki hi waja shauraat hai..iss lia america ko jo kaam laina hoota hai too fauj ko iqtadaar mai lata hai kyunka uss koo pata hai ka elected representives per bharosa nahi kia jasakta
saima56
dr qadeer aik retired general ki nazar mai.. bhutoo,zia, nawaz

~Saraj~
Thanks Saima for this article smile.gif

Deraal Bush Govt Mush ke sath Benazir ki deal ker waker apni man pasand Govt chahti thi mager abb bazahir esa hona mushkil nazer araha hey lakin mughey lagta hey Bush ke liey kafi complicated situation ban gya hey Pakistan ..
lakin bush iqtedar chorney se pehley kuch na kuch zaror pakistna ke agaisnt karey ga....
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(~Saraj~ @ Nov 22 2007, 10:23 AM) [snapback]2587992[/snapback]
Thanks Saima for this article smile.gif

Deraal Bush Govt Mush ke sath Benazir ki deal ker waker apni man pasand Govt chahti thi mager abb bazahir esa hona mushkil nazer araha hey lakin mughey lagta hey Bush ke liey kafi complicated situation ban gya hey Pakistan ..
lakin bush iqtedar chorney se pehley kuch na kuch zaror pakistna ke agaisnt karey ga....



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Allah nah karay k aisaa hojaye... go aap ka tajzeya zameeni haqaaiq k ain motabiq hai. lekin hum muslim to samawee haqaaiq par bhi nazar rakhtay haiN naa.
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~Saraj~
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Nov 22 2007, 10:38 AM) [snapback]2587999[/snapback]
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Allah nah karay k aisaa hojaye... go aap ka tajzeya zameeni haqaaiq k ain motabiq hai. lekin hum muslim to samawee haqaaiq par bhi nazar rakhtay haiN naa.
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Iqbal ne kia khob kaha hey
Momin hey to be taigh bhi larta hey sipahi..

Zulmat ke ghat top andheron ke baad hi ek nai sobah tuloo hoti hey aur woh sobah tuloo honey ko hey..Inshallah
saima56
this is from one article from bbc where they show conern over the mush statement.

حامد میر کا کہنا ہے کہ انہوں نے اس کتاب میں ایک انتہائی اہم بات لکھی ہے کہ
[left]'I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. ''
[/left]یہ پاکستان کا ایک 'سٹیٹ سیکرٹ' ہے اور ایک حاضر سروس آرمی چیف کہہ رہا ہے کہ 1999 میں پاکستان کی نیوکلیئر صلاحیت آپریشنل نہیں تھی اگر انڈیا حملہ کر دیتا تو پاکستان جواب نہیں دے سکتا تھا۔ اب اگر موجودہ آرمی چیف جو سرکاری ملازم بھی ہے اس طریقے سے کتاب میں اس طرح کی باتیں لکھے گا تو کل کوئی بھی فیڈرل سیکریٹری کتاب لکھ سکتا ہے، اور اسے کوئی روک نہیں سکے گا۔'

MJB
QUOTE(saima56 @ Nov 22 2007, 12:19 AM) [snapback]2587833[/snapback]
mushraaf shab na farmaya tha ka kargil ki war ka waqt hamera atomic program operational nahi tha.. iss lafz per bhut sa logoon na un per tanqeed ki thi ka unhoon na aik aham qoumi waqai zahir kar ka ghadari ka murtakib ki hai.. mere pass iss waqt book nahi laken yeh too bhut mashoor baat hai iss per to columns ka columns likha gaya tha..


US aur shaid baqi mumalik main bhi Classified ke sqth Declassified documents ka concept hey,, lekin hamari taraf sirif classified documents ka concept hey,,,, aur isko kab aur kin halat main declassify kerna hey,,, iska koi hisab kitab nahin,,,, aur iss tarah kai batain classified hi samjhi jati rahti hain,,, aur hamain tab hi pata chalti hain,, jab koi byan de daita hey,,, yeah kahin se media ke hath lag jati hey,,, ya phir koi waqya hota hey,,, jaisey 28 ko explossion ke baad yeah confirm ho gya tha ke Pakistan ke pass waqai nuclear capability hey,,, iskey illawa Chagi 1 classified location thi,,, jo iskey baad declassify ho gai as a nuclear testing area,,, lekin yeah 16-18 saal tak classified raha. issi tarah yeah statement bhi ke pakistan ne 1982 main chagi ki site final ki thi aur 1984 tak tunnels ban gai thi,,, 1984 main pahla cold test ker liya tha,,, yeah sab classified batain thin,,, jo ke byanaat ke through declassify ho gain,,,, jaisey ke main ne kaha ke hamari taraf declassifed documents ka aisa koi proper system nahin hey,,, iss liye aisi information jo purani ho gai ho,,, aur uskey open honey se ab koi faraq na parta ho,,, unko byanaat ki shakal main de diya jata hey,,, aur yeah secrecy act ke under nahin aati,,, yahi situation Musharraf ki statement pe bhi lagoo hoti hey,,,, kion ke masla 1999 main tha,,,, aur Musharraf ne publish kya hey 2006 main,,, abb india is information ka faida nahin utha sakta,,,, haan agar wo iss tarah likhta ke Pakistan ki nuclear capability operational nahin hey,,, tu yeah secrecy leak ke zummarey main aati

agar aap iski statement ko parhain,,, tu uss ne likha hey ke



iss main 1 aisa seedha se fact hey ke jab tak aap sure na ho jain ke apka bomb waqai ready hey aur use able hey,,, uski aap production kaisey ker saktey ho,,,, aur zahir hey iss main time lagta hey,,, doosri baat mush ne necleat program ki non-functionality ki nahin ki balkey nuclear capability ki non-functionality ki ki hey,, aur donon main zameen asman ka faraq hey,,, aur shaid yahi faraq sahafioon ki samajh main nahin aya,,,, nuclear capabilities main nuclear material se le ke war head aur delivery system tak iss main shamil hey

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bhai mai to atomic program ka asal moujid dr qadeer ko hi shamjhti hoon aur mujhe apna civilians hukmuranoon ka bara mai yeh pata hai ka lakh bura sahi magar jab waqt aya to daat gaya aur 9 phone sunn kar bhi peecha nahi hata..iss ka barasak aik phone woo bhi nichala darja ka mulazim ka sunn ka poora laiit jana hamera general shab ki hi waja shauraat hai..iss lia america ko jo kaam laina hoota hai too fauj ko iqtadaar mai lata hai kyunka uss koo pata hai ka elected representives per bharosa nahi kia jasakta


Ji AQ Khan ko aap hi nahin poori qoum mojid samjhti hey,,, aisa kion hey,,, aur kaisey hey,, iss pe main baat nahin karoon ga,,, lekin yeah haqeeqat hey ke AQ ka role utna hi tha,,, jitna ke baad main bataya gya,, AQ ne sirif Uranium enrichment ke liye kaam kya,,,, aur iss main koi shak nahin ke yeah bohat aham step tha,,, aur iski wajah se ham ne plotonium enrichment ka lamba process chor ke shortcut use kya,,, iska credit AQ ko jata hey,,,, lekin nuclear program ke mojid ya bomb ka mojid kissi 1 fard ko kahna ghalat hey,,,, har field main scientists ne kaam kya hey,,, aur mining se le war head tak sab ka contribution hey. 1 baat aur apko batata chaloon,,, ke U-Enrichement ka shortcut tu tha,,, lekin yeah conditional shorcut tha,,,, aur 5-6 mazeed condition thin,,, jon ko PAEC main mukhtalif steps main mukhtalif scientists ne poora kya,,,, jo ke typically U ke liye thin,,,

aur aab baat ker laitey hain 9 phones ba-muqabla 1 nichley darjey ke mulazim ke phone ka,,, tu shaid aap ne Nawaz Sharif ka wo interview nahin parha jo inhon ne london se akhbar-e-jehan ko diya tha,,,, jis main unhoon ne khuley lafzoon tasleem kya tha,,, ke agar mushraf ki jagah wo hotey tu wo bhi yahi kertey,,, jo musharraf ne kya hey,,, lekin wo opposition ko aitmad main le ke jamhori tareeqey se kertey (yeah aur baat hey ke aap ko pata hi ho ga ke nawaz sharif apney kissi wazir ki bhi nahin suntey they,,, aur apni man mani kertey they,,,, jaisa ka Mushraaf ne apni kitab main likha hua hey ke kargil isuue pe Nawaz sharif ko cease-fire ki jaldi pari hui thi,,, jab ke musharraf ne kai baar yaqeen-dihani karai thi ke pak fouj ki position mustahkam hey,,, aur khas tor pe raja zufar-ul-haq ka naam liya hey,,,, ke wo bhi cease-fire ya withdrawal ke mukhalif they,,, lekin nawaz ne wo hi kiya,,, jo uss na chaha) iss se tu lagta hey ke U-turns aur bichney ki salahiatoon main nawaz shair bhi kissi se kam nahin
MJB
@ coulmn of Gen Baig

iska matlab hey ke Dr. AQ Khan waqi nuclear proliferation main mulawis they,,, aur jo tojeah unhoon ne di hey "it was a fact of faith and belive for me" in context to brother islamic countries,,,, where does North Korea fit within it ???

doosri baat,,, general Baig ne khud claim kya hey ke wo 1987-1991 tak iska hissa rahey,,, jab ke Dr AQ Khan ka kaam iss se pahley hi complete ho chuka tha,,, and he was not concerned anymore with nuclear program,,,,, tu inhain kahan se pata chal gya ke bomb dr AQ khan ne banaya

inhain tu yeah bhi nahin pata ke DrAQ ko talab kya gya tha,,, ya unhoon ne khud contact ker ke apni services paish ki thin,,, jazbaat aur shola-biyani aur cheez hoti hey,,, jab ke haqeeqt kuch qur
MJB
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Nov 22 2007, 06:38 AM) [snapback]2587999[/snapback]
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Allah nah karay k aisaa hojaye... go aap ka tajzeya zameeni haqaaiq k ain motabiq hai. lekin hum muslim to samawee haqaaiq par bhi nazar rakhtay haiN naa.
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Bush kuch karey na karey,,,,, republicans ne aa ke pakistan ko nahin chorna,,,, yeah tu tey shuda baat hey
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