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raat ki rani


its cumin in the newz tht Hazrat Data Gunjh Baksh ka Behashti Darwaza ( dnt know if i spelt it ryt) khOl dia gaya...

i wna knOw wats tht all abt???
saima56
mere khayal sa, kuch logoon ka yeh imaan hai ka agar koi uss darwaza sa guzra ga to wo janat mai chala jaye ga aur issi lia bhut sa loog iss exercise mai mara bhi ja chuka rash ki waja sa..


but i m not sure, may be some other person from lahore can explain it further
silenteyes
QUOTE(raat ki rani @ Jan 15 2008, 07:58 PM) [snapback]2670345[/snapback]


its cumin in the newz tht Hazrat Data Gunjh Baksh ka Behashti Darwaza ( dnt know if i spelt it ryt) khOl dia gaya...

i wna knOw wats tht all abt???


It is not of "data ganj bakhsh". It is of "Fariduddin Masood Ganj Shakar". There is a legend/myth that whoever passes through it will go to jannat.
Daylight
Chunke jannat k hasool k liye insaan ko bohat mehnat karna parti hai, poori zindagi naik, paakbaaz, eemandaar, parhezgaar bun k rehna parta hai iss liye logon ne Allah k raastay ki bajaye jannat ka short cut dhoond liya, isko jahaalat k siva kya kaha ja sakta hai....
Peacemaker
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jan 15 2008, 09:12 PM) [snapback]2670612[/snapback]
Chunke jannat k hasool k liye insaan ko bohat mehnat karna parti hai, poori zindagi naik, paakbaaz, eemandaar, parhezgaar bun k rehna parta hai iss liye logon ne Allah k raastay ki bajaye jannat ka short cut dhoond liya, isko jahaalat k siva kya kaha ja sakta hai....


daylight i agreed with your words per janat main janay lay lian ik choti c naki bhi bahoot hai agar wo sacha dil say ki gai ho Allah Tala farmata hai kay kisi insan ki ik choti c naki bhi uskay saray gunah maf kerwa sakti hai or wo janat mian jasakta hai
Daylight
QUOTE(Peacemaker @ Jan 16 2008, 01:20 AM) [snapback]2670776[/snapback]
daylight i agreed with your words per janat main janay lay lian ik choti c naki bhi bahoot hai agar wo sacha dil say ki gai ho Allah Tala farmata hai kay kisi insan ki ik choti c naki bhi uskay saray gunah maf kerwa sakti hai or wo janat mian jasakta hai


Reference plz ?

Wesay Allah ye bhi kehta hai k

"Tum kya samajhtay ho k jannat mein yun hi daakhil ho jao gay? agarchay tum unn mushkil marahil se guzray hi nahin jin se guzar kar jannat tak jaya jata hai". (Mafhoom of ayat 2/214)

"Kya tumhara khyal hai k tum jannat mein dakhil ho jao gay ?? Jab k tum ne abhi apnay amaal o kirdaar se ye sabit hi nahin kiya k tum mein se kon kis qadar sayee o amal ka maalik hai aur kon kis qadar istaqamat ka " (Mafhoom of ayat 3/142)


Lehaza agar koi apnay amaal o kirdaar ko behtar banaye bagher ye samajhta hai k wo "by chance" jannat mein chala jaaye ga to uss par afsos hi kiya ja sakta hai, am i right peacemaker ?
Peacemaker
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jan 15 2008, 11:29 PM) [snapback]2670790[/snapback]
Reference plz ?

Wesay Allah ye bhi kehta hai k

"Tum kya samajhtay ho k jannat mein yun hi daakhil ho jao gay? agarchay tum unn mushkil marahil se guzray hi nahin jin se guzar kar jannat tak jaya jata hai". (Mafhoom of ayat 2/214)

"Kya tumhara khyal hai k tum jannat mein dakhil ho jao gay ?? Jab k tum ne abhi apnay amaal o kirdaar se ye sabit hi nahin kiya k tum mein se kon kis qadar sayee o amal ka maalik hai aur kon kis qadar istaqamat ka " (Mafhoom of ayat 3/142)
Lehaza agar koi apnay amaal o kirdaar ko behtar banaye bagher ye samajhta hai k wo "by chance" jannat mein chala jaaye ga to uss par afsos hi kiya ja sakta hai, am i right peacemaker ?



agreed, per baat phir wahin qabooliyat per aati hai roza namaz hamara avalin farz hai magar uskay lian bhi Khuda nay niyat shart rakhi hai. kia isa hi hia ?
Daylight
ji bilkul aisa hi hai,

aur agar hum mehaz dikhavay k liye ye cheezain karein gay to kisi kaam ki nahin, niyyat aur dil ki sachayi zaroori hai...... har amal k liye.
raat ki rani
thnx everyOne fOr replyin... dO ppl really believe all this?!

QUOTE(silenteyes @ Jan 15 2008, 05:15 PM) [snapback]2670527[/snapback]
It is not of "data ganj bakhsh". It is of "Fariduddin Masood Ganj Shakar". There is a legend/myth that whoever passes through it will go to jannat.



thts wat they said On the tv Or Mayb i didn read tht ryt...
Daylight
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dO ppl really believe all this?!


Yes!!!! balkeh uss darwazay se guzarnay k liye ek doosray ko dhakkay de de kar log gucartay hain hazaaron ki tadaad mein aur kayi to ussi bahishti darwazay mein hi "bahisht" (yani aglay jahaan) mein pouhanch jatay hain smile.gif
raat ki rani
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jan 16 2008, 09:05 PM) [snapback]2672794[/snapback]
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dO ppl really believe all this?!


Yes!!!! balkeh uss darwazay se guzarnay k liye ek doosray ko dhakkay de de kar log gucartay hain hazaaron ki tadaad mein aur kayi to ussi bahishti darwazay mein hi "bahisht" (yani aglay jahaan) mein pouhanch jatay hain smile.gif


its Quite hard tO digest tht ppl actually believe it... its sO ObviOus tht its wrOng phr is k khilaf kOi Maulvi fatwa kiOn nhi deyta? Or why dOesnt the gOvernMent take suM actiOn???
Daylight
QUOTE(raat ki rani @ Jan 20 2008, 11:03 PM) [snapback]2678841[/snapback]

its Quite hard tO digest tht ppl actually believe it... its sO ObviOus tht its wrOng phr is k khilaf kOi Maulvi fatwa kiOn nhi deyta? Or why dOesnt the gOvernMent take suM actiOn???


Sorry magar muje apki iss masoomana baat par bay-ikhtayaar hansi aa gai smile.gif

Govt. action le ?? wo loag jo wazir ya koi uhda milnay par seedha kisi darbar mein pholon ki chaadar charhanay jatay hain? ya wo govt. jisne mehkama auqaaf bana kar iss cheez ko qanooni haisiyyat de rakhi hai ? bibi ho ya sharif ya musharraf in k liye ye sub kuch islami hi hai smile.gif aur uss darwazay par "mob controlling" k liye baqaaida hakumat ki taraf se intezamaat hotay hain aur police tainaat hoti hai.....

Yes its quite hard to digest that people belive in it, lekin iss se bhi zyada un-beliveable baat to ye hai k unkay mutaabik qabar mein dafan shakhs unki duain aur haajtein bhi poori karta hai smile.gif

Ye post jis din aap ne lagai thi uss se aglay hi din express akhbar mein khabar aayi thi k bahishti darwazay par shadeed tareen rush ki wajah se bagdhar much gai aur beshumaar loag neechay gir gaye jin par police ne laathi charge kiya aur unn mein se aksar "bahisht" mein pohanchnay ki bajaye hospital ja pouhanchay smile.gif

Aap ko itni door bethay itna afsos ho raha hai, shukar karein kabhi aap kisi peer sahib ya baba ji k mizaar par nahin gai warna to apkay hosh thikanay aa jatay jahan suited booted log bhi iss tarha qabron aur qabar k ird gird ki jaghon ko choom rahay hotay hain aur apni peshaani laga rahay hotay hain jesay ye Allah ki baargah hai.......

main 13 jan ko Data darbaar gaya tha just to see it, wahan data darbaar k sath nawaz sharif ek bouhat bari aur khubsurat masjid bhi banai hai to socha wo bhi dekh li jae, wahan bhi aisay qabron ko chooma ja raha tha aur maatha teka aur hath joray ja rahay thay k afsos hua ye dekh kar, wahan surat aisay hai k agar aap Qibla ki taraf moonh kar k bethain to data sahib k mizaar ki taraf pusht hoti hai aur data sahib k mizaar ki taraf moonh kar k bethain to qiblay ki taraf pusht hoti hai magar 90% se zyada loag qiblay ki taraf pusht kr k mizaar ki taraf moonh kar k dua maang rahay thay aur jin 10% ka moonh qiblay ki taraf tha wo bhi iss liye tha k wo namaz ada kar rahay thay warna dua to data sahib ne poori karni hoti hai , moonh udhar hi karna tha....
Mene videos bhi banayi thi wahan lekin chunke wo digital cam se banayi thi aur unka size bouhat zyada hai so cant upload them, next time jaon ga to mob se vdos bana kar yahan share kron ga.......

silenteyes
Notable thing is that "Fariduddin Masood Ganj Shakar" nay kabhi bhi logo'n say aisa nahi kaha k is darwazay say guzro gay to jannat milay gi.... un ki wafaat k kafi arsa baad un k "jaahil mareedo'n" nay yai baat mashoor ki.
Daylight
QUOTE(silenteyes @ Jan 21 2008, 09:05 AM) [snapback]2679181[/snapback]
Notable thing is that "Fariduddin Masood Ganj Shakar" nay kabhi bhi logo'n say aisa nahi kaha k is darwazay say guzro gay to jannat milay gi.... un ki wafaat k kafi arsa baad un k "jaahil mareedo'n" nay yai baat mashoor ki.


Ji bilkul lekin mureedon ki iss jahiliyyat mein fareed ud deen ganj shakkar ka kuch n a kuch hath zrur shamil hai..... Inki kitab hai "Fawaaid us saaileen" jis mein inhon ne khwaja qutbud din bakhtiyar kaki k malfoozaat murattab kiye hain, uss mein inhon ne ye sabit krne ki koshish ki hai k bakhtayar kaki sahib ko har tarha k aloom balkeh ilm ghaib tak hasil tha, wo jab chahtay ghayab ho kar khana kaba pouhanch jatay, unkay mureedon ko maut ka farishta dhoondta rehta k iski rooh qabaz karon lekin inkay mureed na miltay yahan tak k Allah ki taraf se awaz aati k farishtay waapis aa jao hamara banda hamaray paas pouhanch gaya hai........

Jab aisa kuch ye "aalim" aur "buzurgaan e deen" likhein gay to inkay mureedon ki jahliyyat ka azab kis par nazil hona chahiye ?? Jab ye apnay mureedon k dil o damagh mein ye sub kuch raasikh kar dein gay to phir mureed inkay darbaar mein janay ko bahisht mein jana kyun na samjhain gay, jab k "ghaous e azam" abdul qadir jeelani sahib farma gaye hain




To ab unkay mureed jannat mein daakhlay k liye yahi tareekay kyun na apnaain gay jo unkay "baray" farma gaye hain?? aur iss jahalat ko sirf unkay mureedon se mutallik kar dena kahan ka insaaf hai??
Haqeeqat ye hai k hum ne kuch "buzurgon" par muqaddas chaadrein charha di hain k jinki kitabon mein intehayi ghair islami mawaad majood honay k bawajood hum uskay mutallik ek lafz kehne se dartay hain.......
raat ki rani
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jan 20 2008, 08:10 PM) [snapback]2679072[/snapback]
Sorry magar muje apki iss masoomana baat par bay-ikhtayaar hansi aa gai smile.gif

Govt. action le ?? wo loag jo wazir ya koi uhda milnay par seedha kisi darbar mein pholon ki chaadar charhanay jatay hain? ya wo govt. jisne mehkama auqaaf bana kar iss cheez ko qanooni haisiyyat de rakhi hai ? bibi ho ya sharif ya musharraf in k liye ye sub kuch islami hi hai smile.gif aur uss darwazay par "mob controlling" k liye baqaaida hakumat ki taraf se intezamaat hotay hain aur police tainaat hoti hai.....

Yes its quite hard to digest that people belive in it, lekin iss se bhi zyada un-beliveable baat to ye hai k unkay mutaabik qabar mein dafan shakhs unki duain aur haajtein bhi poori karta hai smile.gif

Ye post jis din aap ne lagai thi uss se aglay hi din express akhbar mein khabar aayi thi k bahishti darwazay par shadeed tareen rush ki wajah se bagdhar much gai aur beshumaar loag neechay gir gaye jin par police ne laathi charge kiya aur unn mein se aksar "bahisht" mein pohanchnay ki bajaye hospital ja pouhanchay smile.gif

Aap ko itni door bethay itna afsos ho raha hai, shukar karein kabhi aap kisi peer sahib ya baba ji k mizaar par nahin gai warna to apkay hosh thikanay aa jatay jahan suited booted log bhi iss tarha qabron aur qabar k ird gird ki jaghon ko choom rahay hotay hain aur apni peshaani laga rahay hotay hain jesay ye Allah ki baargah hai.......

main 13 jan ko Data darbaar gaya tha just to see it, wahan data darbaar k sath nawaz sharif ek bouhat bari aur khubsurat masjid bhi banai hai to socha wo bhi dekh li jae, wahan bhi aisay qabron ko chooma ja raha tha aur maatha teka aur hath joray ja rahay thay k afsos hua ye dekh kar, wahan surat aisay hai k agar aap Qibla ki taraf moonh kar k bethain to data sahib k mizaar ki taraf pusht hoti hai aur data sahib k mizaar ki taraf moonh kar k bethain to qiblay ki taraf pusht hoti hai magar 90% se zyada loag qiblay ki taraf pusht kr k mizaar ki taraf moonh kar k dua maang rahay thay aur jin 10% ka moonh qiblay ki taraf tha wo bhi iss liye tha k wo namaz ada kar rahay thay warna dua to data sahib ne poori karni hoti hai , moonh udhar hi karna tha....
Mene videos bhi banayi thi wahan lekin chunke wo digital cam se banayi thi aur unka size bouhat zyada hai so cant upload them, next time jaon ga to mob se vdos bana kar yahan share kron ga.......




hMmm pakis ka Allah he hafiz hai
silenteyes
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jan 21 2008, 02:27 PM) [snapback]2679713[/snapback]
To ab unkay mureed jannat mein daakhlay k liye yahi tareekay kyun na apnaain gay jo unkay "baray" farma gaye hain?? aur iss jahalat ko sirf unkay mureedon se mutallik kar dena kahan ka insaaf hai??
Haqeeqat ye hai k hum ne kuch "buzurgon" par muqaddas chaadrein charha di hain k jinki kitabon mein intehayi ghair islami mawaad majood honay k bawajood hum uskay mutallik ek lafz kehne se dartay hain.......


Abdul haq muhaddis dehlwi jo likhta hai sach likhta hai ?

P.S.
(for viewers...i m not advocating jeelani)
Daylight
QUOTE(silenteyes @ Jan 22 2008, 09:55 PM) [snapback]2682314[/snapback]
Abdul haq muhaddis dehlwi jo likhta hai sach likhta hai ?

P.S.
(for viewers...i m not advocating jeelani)


bilkul nahin, lekin sufiya k aqwaal unkay mureed aur chahnay waalay hi ikathay kar k publish kartay thay, unkay malfoozaat unkay shagirdon ne hi murattab kiye...... aur jab tamaam k tamaam shagird iss par muttafiq hain, tamaam k tamaam mureed iss par muttafiq hain to phir ye kehna bouhat hi mushkil hai k unkay apnay aqaaid aisay na thay..... koi ek to unka mureed ya shagird aisa hota jo is ko deny krta lekin aap unkay chahnay waalon ki rai parhiye aur waqayaat parhiye k wo kehtay kya hain, unkay nazdeek inka jo rutba hai wo inn opar walay alfaaz se kahin zyada hai.......abdul qadir jeelani ki books mein bhi unhon ne apnay opar revelations (wahi ya ilhaam) honay ko baar baar zikr farmaya hai to sawal ye hai k jab unkay mureedon mein aisa aqeeda unki taleem ki wajah se bun jae ga to iss mein kasoor kis ka, abdul qadir jeelani sahib ki books urdu mein bhi dastayaab hain, internet par unki books english translation mein dastayaab hain

http://www.al-baz.com/shaikhabdalqadir/index.html

lekin afsoas k unkay chahnay waalon ne yahan dandi maar di aur poori book ki bajaye sirf muntakhib hissay hi pesh kiye gaye hain, warna main unki kitab sirrul israar k page number 191 chapter asraar ul qadam ki talash mein iss site par gaya magar ye chapter hi nahin upload kiya gaya, iss page ki talash iss liye thi k bataour reference mene isko save kar rakha tha iss mein ye alfaaz majood hain k "mere qadam har sufi ki gardan (neck) par hain aur hazrat ali(RA) bhi ek sufi thay"......

baqi aap uss site se unki apnay opar honay waali revelations ko parh saktay hain, haan ye baat zaroor hai k sufiya islam ki sahi taleem bhi detay thay aur qurani hawalay bhi detay thay, bhalayi ki taraf bhi logon ko bulatay thay, lekin deen mein israar, ilham, kashaf, wahdatul wajood k aqeeday waghera ne unki taleem ko gehna dia,

ab dul qadir jelani to hanfiyun par bhi kufar ka fatwa sadir krte hain apni sub se mashoor kitab ghania til talibeen mein, page 190, likhtay hain

"Rasul said my Ummah will be divided in the 73 Sects only will attain Paradise others in Hell�.of the 73 Sects there are 10 including la Marhaba�.la Marhaba is the 10th Fiqh including Fiqha Hanafi"

mere paas ye alfaaz aur book ka name aur page number mehfooz tha lehaza net par exact wordings dekhne k liye search ki to muje ek mashoor shia site se hi ye exact wordings mili, warna abdul qadir jelani ki website par se ye hazaf kar diya gay hai..... kayiun k paas asal kitab majood ho gi, wo hawala check kar saktay hain, it is confirmed.
VrSoLdIeRs
QUOTE(raat ki rani @ Jan 20 2008, 11:03 PM) [snapback]2678841[/snapback]

its Quite hard tO digest tht ppl actually believe it... its sO ObviOus tht its wrOng phr is k khilaf kOi Maulvi fatwa kiOn nhi deyta? Or why dOesnt the gOvernMent take suM actiOn???


buhat sari cheezain ghalat hain magar ki jati hain... as for govt. why should govt. take action this is a matter of belief no??? infact BB one of the "liberal" leaders she used to visit some peer sahib as well!!!

as for maulviz.. fatwa howa hoga n its not that hard to get a fatwa regarding anything here is a site where i used to get fatwa from

for answers in english the link is
http://www.dawateislami.net/services/askim...h/edefault.aspx

for urdu it is
http://www.dawateislami.net/services/askim...u/udefault.aspx

they do take a while but i got replied for wat i asked from em!!!
*RAJA*

aik lihaz say yeh bhi.... beshti darwaza hai...............
aik banda iss main say na ghuzreh tu baqi janaat main...........
Sham_99
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Feb 3 2008, 02:11 PM) [snapback]2701327[/snapback]

aik lihaz say yeh bhi.... beshti darwaza hai...............
aik banda iss main say na ghuzreh tu baqi janaat main...........


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saima56
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Feb 3 2008, 07:11 PM) [snapback]2701327[/snapback]

aik lihaz say yeh bhi.... beshti darwaza hai...............
aik banda iss main say na ghuzreh tu baqi janaat main...........

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Khalish
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Feb 3 2008, 05:11 PM) [snapback]2701327[/snapback]

aik lihaz say yeh bhi.... beshti darwaza hai...............
aik banda iss main say na ghuzreh tu baqi janaat main...........



Jawaab nahi Raja Bhai rose.gif sahi keh rahe haiN aap, asal behashti darwaza tu yehi hai lol3.gif
Zahir Ali Yousafzai
QUOTE(raat ki rani @ Jan 15 2008, 07:58 PM) [snapback]2670345[/snapback]


its cumin in the newz tht Hazrat Data Gunjh Baksh ka Behashti Darwaza ( dnt know if i spelt it ryt) khOl dia gaya...

i wna knOw wats tht all abt???

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Mere bhai ye saari farsooda rasm our sooch hay jo ham logo nay apnaya hay. os jannat ka darwaza ap ko sirf os dunya main hisab kitab ke baad milay ga. Albatta os tak puhunchnay kailie ap ko is dunya main Allah (jallah jala loho) ke hukam our oske Rasool (PBUH) ke tarreqay ke mutabiq zindagi guzarna hoga. Baqi main ap se request karoonga ke en fazool rasam ke baare main bilkul na soochay. Allah apki our meri our ham sub ki islah karain.......Aamin
*RAJA*
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*RAJA*
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DARWAZYEH MAIN SAY GHUZER JAIN...KOCH NEHI HO GHA............... poster_oops.gif
*RAJA*
QUOTE(Khalish @ Feb 5 2008, 05:22 AM) [snapback]2702541[/snapback]
Jawaab nahi Raja Bhai rose.gif sahi keh rahe haiN aap, asal behashti darwaza tu yehi hai lol3.gif


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