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Question: I have a doubt about playing of musical instruments. Is this an act of Satan?


A. Prohibition of music is recorded in many authentic Ahadith.


Narrated Abu Malik Al-Ashari:

"The Messenger (pbuh) of Allah (SWT) said, "Some people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by other than its real name, merriment will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and the singing of lady singers. Allah will cleave the earth under them and turn others into monkeys and swines.

[Ibn Ma'jah Vol.5 Hadith No.4020]



Narrated Abu Amir or Abu Malik Al Ashari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal @@@ual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5590]


However, there are some Ahadith which indicate that it is permissible to beat the ‘daff’ i.e. the tambourine (which is open on one side and covered on the other).


Narrated Urwa on the authority of Aisha

“On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine (daff) and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them. The Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina."

[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.2 Hadith No.987]


Narrated Ar Rabi (the daughter of Muawwidh bin Afra):

“After the consummation of my marriage, the Prophet came and sat on my bed as far from me as you are sitting now, and our little girls started beating the tambourines (daff) and reciting elegiac verses mourning my father, who had been killed in the battle of Badr. One of them said, ‘Among us is a Prophet who knows what will happen tomorrow.’ On that the Prophet said, ‘Leave this (saying) and keep on saying the verses which you had been saying before.’ [Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5147]


Therefore from the above evidence it is concluded that the use of musical instruments in general is forbidden in Islam, with the exception of the 'Daff'.


Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt). Music engages a person’s mind and takes him/her away from the remembrance of his/her Creator and from realizing and focusing his/her attention on the purpose of his/her creation. In musical songs, most of the times the listeners even appreciate illogical, incorrect and blasphemous matter and content. A person will realize this when he starts pondering over the meaning of many Hindi and English songs, lyrics and ghazals. Here we find that it is because of music that the person’s mind is intoxicated and the person deviates from the straight path. And Allah Knows the Best.
KnOwN_StRaNgEr
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Jan 26 2008, 03:57 PM) [snapback]2688571[/snapback]
Question: I have a doubt about playing of musical instruments. Is this an act of Satan?
A. Prohibition of music is recorded in many authentic Ahadith.
Narrated Abu Malik Al-Ashari:

"The Messenger (pbuh) of Allah (SWT) said, "Some people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by other than its real name, merriment will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and the singing of lady singers. Allah will cleave the earth under them and turn others into monkeys and swines.

[Ibn Ma'jah Vol.5 Hadith No.4020]



Narrated Abu Amir or Abu Malik Al Ashari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal @@@ual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5590]


However, there are some Ahadith which indicate that it is permissible to beat the ‘daff’ i.e. the tambourine (which is open on one side and covered on the other).


Narrated Urwa on the authority of Aisha

“On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine (daff) and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them. The Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina."

[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.2 Hadith No.987]


Narrated Ar Rabi (the daughter of Muawwidh bin Afra):

“After the consummation of my marriage, the Prophet came and sat on my bed as far from me as you are sitting now, and our little girls started beating the tambourines (daff) and reciting elegiac verses mourning my father, who had been killed in the battle of Badr. One of them said, ‘Among us is a Prophet who knows what will happen tomorrow.’ On that the Prophet said, ‘Leave this (saying) and keep on saying the verses which you had been saying before.’ [Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5147]
Therefore from the above evidence it is concluded that the use of musical instruments in general is forbidden in Islam, with the exception of the 'Daff'.


Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt). Music engages a person’s mind and takes him/her away from the remembrance of his/her Creator and from realizing and focusing his/her attention on the purpose of his/her creation. In musical songs, most of the times the listeners even appreciate illogical, incorrect and blasphemous matter and content. A person will realize this when he starts pondering over the meaning of many Hindi and English songs, lyrics and ghazals. Here we find that it is because of music that the person’s mind is intoxicated and the person deviates from the straight path. And Allah Knows the Best.

bagair kisi behas mobasay k agreed wid dis statement smile.gif
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Kashif
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Jan 26 2008, 03:57 PM) [snapback]2688571[/snapback]
Therefore from the above evidence it is concluded that the use of musical instruments in general is forbidden in Islam, with the exception of the 'Daff'.


Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt). Music engages a person’s mind and takes him/her away from the remembrance of his/her Creator and from realizing and focusing his/her attention on the purpose of his/her creation. In musical songs, most of the times the listeners even appreciate illogical, incorrect and blasphemous matter and content. A person will realize this when he starts pondering over the meaning of many Hindi and English songs, lyrics and ghazals. Here we find that it is because of music that the person’s mind is intoxicated and the person deviates from the straight path. And Allah Knows the Best.[/color][/size]

I am not agree with the conclusion that except Daff ....other instruments are forbidden

also not agree with the last lines/comments about music
agar Music kisi kay zehen mein ghalat khyal paida karnay ki waja say as a whole "haram" qarar pata hay to iss say pehlay poetry, adab waghaira sab haram ho jayein gay
sirf ghalat ya bey-mani lyrics ki waja say music ko as a whole haram qarar dena bilkul ghalat baat hay .....jis kay zehen mein music say koi ghalat khyal aata hay probably us ki soch hi iss tarah ki hogi
main sari zindagi say music sun raha hoon .........main nay to aaj tak koi aisi cheez mehsoos nahin ki
it's totally illogical ........!!
VrSoLdIeRs
QUOTE(M Kashif Nisar @ Jan 26 2008, 06:04 PM) [snapback]2688782[/snapback]
I am not agree with the conclusion that except Daff ....other instruments are forbidden

also not agree with the last lines/comments about music
agar Music kisi kay zehen mein ghalat khyal paida karnay ki waja say as a whole "haram" qarar pata hay to iss say pehlay poetry, adab waghaira sab haram ho jayein gay
sirf ghalat ya bey-mani lyrics ki waja say music ko as a whole haram qarar dena bilkul ghalat baat hay .....jis kay zehen mein music say koi ghalat khyal aata hay probably us ki soch hi iss tarah ki hogi
main sari zindagi say music sun raha hoon .........main nay to aaj tak koi aisi cheez mehsoos nahin ki
it's totally illogical ........!!

itna to aap bhi maantay hain na keh music say banda ghaafil ho jata hai??? jo ghaafil karnay wali cheez hai woh to hameesha islam main mana hai na? ghafil ki aik misal hai keh music chal raha ho to foot tapping shuru kar daitay hain... dance bagair music kay nahi hota...

waisay aap say nahi magar aik general main jo log music ko allow samjhtay hain woh log kiya talawat music kay saath karna pasand karain gay ya nimaz parhain gay music laga kar??
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Hah phir music smile.gif akhir iss par kitnay topics chalein gay smile.gif Har haftay koi iss par post kar deta hai, jab k yahi baatein kayi baar yahan repeat bhi ho chuki aur unka ajwab bhi diya gaya tafseeelan.......


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Therefore from the above evidence it is concluded that the use of musical instruments in general is forbidden in Islam, with the exception of the 'Daff'.
Kyun kya daff musical instrument nahin hai ?? Jab k shuru ki jo do ahadith pesh ki gai hain un mein tamam musical instruments ko haram kaha gaya hai, aur agar sub ko haram kehne k bawajood apnay ijtehaad se ye baat nikali ja sakti hai k daff exception hai to phir ye ijtehaad kyun nahin kiya ja sakta k Rasool(PBUH) ne tab tab music se mana kiya jab uska ghalat istemaal ho raha tha, yani mushrikeen ki sharab ki parties mein ya namaz k waqt masajid k bahir bajanay k waqt..... Kisi hadith mein ye baat majood nahin k sirf duff halal hai baqi haram...... Jahan ahadith mukhtalif hon un mein tatbeeq ki ye soorat nahin hoti k apni marzi kar li........
Jab kuch ahadith mein issay haram aur kuch mein halal kaha gaya hai to ye dekhna laazmi hai k kin kin jagahon par halal aur kab kab haram kaha gaya jis se asal baat ka pata mil jaye ga k sharab ki parties wagehra mein dekh kar un parties ki har cheez ko condemn karne k liye aisa kaha gaya issi liye musical instruments k sath hi sharab ka naam bhi jora gaya, warna jahan iska ghalat istemaal na ho sakna tha wahan iski ijazat di gai......


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Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt).


Kuch din pehle main Harappa ki documentary dekh raha tha jis mein background mein musalsal music bajta raha, so how it intoxicated me ?? Sharab se to insaan hosh o hawaas kho deta hai, aaj tak kabhi music suntay huay mene to kisi ko nahin hosh o hawaas khotay dekha.....

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Music engages a person’s mind and takes him/her away from the remembrance of his/her Creator and from realizing and focusing his/her attention on the purpose of his/her creation.


Yani apki ya zakir naik ki nazar mein kisi bhi kisam ki tafreeh haram hai smile.gif Good smile.gif

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In musical songs, most of the times the listeners even appreciate illogical, incorrect and blasphemous matter and content. A person will realize this when he starts pondering over the meaning of many Hindi and English songs, lyrics and ghazals.


To ilzaam to phir lyrics aur poetry par hua, music par nahin smile.gif Aisi illogical, blasphemous poetry to music k bagher bhi gaai jaye to wo poetry haram hi thehray gi to phir sath mein music ko kyun "bali charha" rahay hain smile.gif
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QUOTE(VrSoLdIeRs @ Jan 26 2008, 06:30 PM) [snapback]2688807[/snapback]
itna to aap bhi maantay hain na keh music say banda ghaafil ho jata hai??? jo ghaafil karnay wali cheez hai woh to hameesha islam main mana hai na? ghafil ki aik misal hai keh music chal raha ho to foot tapping shuru kar daitay hain... dance bagair music kay nahi hota...

waisay aap say nahi magar aik general main jo log music ko allow samjhtay hain woh log kiya talawat music kay saath karna pasand karain gay ya nimaz parhain gay music laga kar??


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itna to aap bhi maantay hain na keh music say banda ghaafil ho jata hai???


Main rozana Khabrein sunta hon aur headlines mein background music hamesha chalta hai, main kabhi music ki wajah se ghaafil nahin hua na hi kabhi kisi ko hotay dekha, lehaza ye kehna k music ki awaz suntay hi ya piano ki awaz suntay hi loag ghafil ho jatay hain illogical hai.......

Warna kehne wala keh sakta hai k jab aap poetry ki book ya koi novel parhein to phir bhi insan ghafil ho jata hai lehaza novels parhna bhi haram hai..... smile.gif iss tarha ki baaton se cheezain haram honay lagi na to koi cheez halal nahin bachay gi.....
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ghafil ki aik misal hai keh music chal raha ho to foot tapping shuru kar daitay hain...


Main iss waqt post likh raha hon aur kafi der se foot tapping kar raha hon, wesay bhi kayi logon ki adat hoti hai k PC par ya book parhtay huay ya farigh bethay huay bhi paon hilatay rehtay hain.... to agar paon hilana haram hai to phir PC use karna ya farigh bethna aur kitab parhna bhi haram hai ????

iss tarha ki baaton se cheezain haram honay lagi na to koi cheez halal nahin bachay gi.....
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dance bagair music kay nahi hota...


Ghalat !! kabhi aap ne bachon ko bagher music k jhoomtay huay nahin dekha ??? Also can u prove k main agar apnay room mein khara ho kar idhar udhar hilon to ye haram ho jaye ga kyunke ye dance ki category mein aa gaya??
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waisay aap say nahi magar aik general main jo log music ko allow samjhtay hain woh log kiya talawat music kay saath karna pasand karain gay ya nimaz parhain gay music laga kar??


Har kaam k adaab hotay hain........ tilawat aur namaz k waqt to aap khana bhi nahin khaatay to kya khana khana haram ho gaya??

Aap ne ek aur topic mein kaha tha k sirf duff halal hai, to kya aap talwat ya n amaz k waqt duff bajatay hain?? kyunke apki logic k mutabik jo jo cheez halal hai wo talwat aur namaz k waqt use ki ja sakti hai

kamaal ki logic hai khaas taur par ye aakhri waali smile.gif

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Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt).


WO to phir Duff ki awaaz par bhi mene logon ko jhoomtay dekha hai aur paon hilaatay, to phir aap mujhay bataain k duff kesay halal ho gai? smile.gif

Aap kehtay hain k music k sath ganday lyrics hotay hain lehaza music haram lekin phir kehtay hainn k duff hala, to sawal ye hai k agar duff k sath bhi ganday songs gaaye jaain to haram wo gandi poetry ho gi ya duff ??
tenha_saima
wat do u say abt all the naats and patriotic songs that hav muziq in em ??
VrSoLdIeRs
as for music in normal lives (khabarnama etc) u can watch this vid... i think it provides a very nice aaproach towards music

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0k9gdEAhYTo

aur meray bhai bagar music dance nahi hota... suchi baat hai buhat pass raha hoon bachon kay magar unko bagair music kabhi jhoomtay nahi dekha

aur yeh jo foot tapping ki misaal di aap nay yeh bhi pehli baar hi aap say suna hai keh log book parhtay howay bhi kartay hoon... waisya bhi mera ilm mehdood hai... shayad kartay hon main nay nahi dekha

waisay jo aap nay meri pehli post ka jawab diya hai iska matlab hai keh jo cheez ghaafil na karay woh allow hai islam main??? is tarah to agar main kahoon keh thori si sharab pi laita hoon mujhay to itni si quatity ghaafil nahi karti to woh allow ho gaye?
Kashif
QUOTE(VrSoLdIeRs @ Jan 26 2008, 06:30 PM) [snapback]2688807[/snapback]
itna to aap bhi maantay hain na keh music say banda ghaafil ho jata hai??? jo ghaafil karnay wali cheez hai woh to hameesha islam main mana hai na? ghafil ki aik misal hai keh music chal raha ho to foot tapping shuru kar daitay hain... dance bagair music kay nahi hota...

waisay aap say nahi magar aik general main jo log music ko allow samjhtay hain woh log kiya talawat music kay saath karna pasand karain gay ya nimaz parhain gay music laga kar??

nahin main nay aisa hargiz nahin kaha ......main apnay pc par koi bhi kaam kartay waqt background mein music sunta hooN, us say main ghafil nahin hota.......agar ghafil honay say aap ki murad enjoy karna hay to banda kisi bhi cheez ko enjoy kartay huway us mein magan ho jata hay ........aap say kis nay keh diya kay kisi cheez mein magan ho jayein to woh haram ho jati hay ..........main aaj jumay kay waqt HC par betha raha to yeh meri ghalti thi ya iss ki waja say HC ko haram qarar dey dena chahiyay ?????????????

meray bhai achay ya buray music ki waja say aap music ko napasand kar saktay hain magar iss bunyad par iss ko haram nahin keh saktay kay iss ki waja say koi paon hila raha tha ya koi enjoy kar raha tha ..it's totally illogical

aap ki aakhri baat bohat mazhaka khez hay ..........bilkul bachoN wali baat hay .......jis par sirf hansa ja sakta hay
DL bhai nay iss ka acha jawab diya hay ...........namaz kay waqt aap study bhi nahin kartay to aap ki study haram ho jayay gi kia iss waja say ??
aur waisay bhi music ko jayez qarar denay ka matlab usay namaz ki jaga dena to nahin jo aap nay yeh baat ki ??
asim10
Asa
hairat ke baat hay kay wazaih ahadith honay kay baad bhee loog music ko halal qarar daina chahtay hain aour woh sirf is liya kay music sunna insan kay shaitani jazbay ko sakoon daita hay.kiya itni wazaih ahadith honay kay baad bhee music kay halal honay kee kowee wajah hay .kiya isay hum yeh nahin keh saktay kay "DIL KAY BEHLANAY KO YEH KHIYAL ACHA HAY "aour hairat ke baat kay loog kis kis taweel say music ko halal qarar day rahay hain kay . kay g hum programme daikhtay hain aour us kay peechay music baj raha hota hay to kiya main gumrah ho gaiya.
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Kuch din pehle main Harappa ki documentary dekh raha tha jis mein background mein musalsal music bajta raha, so how it intoxicated me
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Main rozana Khabrein sunta hon aur headlines mein background music hamesha chalta hai, main kabhi music ki wajah se ghaafil nahin hua na hi kabhi kisi ko hotay dekha, lehaza ye kehna k music ki awaz suntay hi ya piano ki awaz suntay hi loag ghafil ho jatay hain illogical hai
oh bahi masala to yeh hay
1. kiya woh film baighair music kay nahin banaee ja saktee thee.
2. film banany walay ko pata tha kay dekhnay walay kay dil ko music say sakoon milay gha our woh mairee film ghoar say daikay gha is lee yai us nay kuch logon kay is shaitani jazabay ko samnay rakhtay howay back ground main music chala diay.warna sochnay kee baat hay kay agar film banany wala kowee muslman tha to woh to ALLAH nishaniyan dikha raha tha usay to back ground main quran ke ayat play kar kay us film main aik aour maza paida kar sakta thay jis say aik kamzoor muslman ka eman aour bhee mazboot hota.main nay umaray kay maoqa per saudi main aik film daikhee thee jis kay sath sath mukhtalif moqoon per quran ke ayat say us film maker nay allah ke nishaniyaan dekha een , main qasam kaha kay kehta hoo jo asar us film main tha main nay ajj tak kis aour documantory main nahin dekha.
3.is qisam ke taweelat say dil too behlaya ja sakta hay magar haqeeqat nahin badlee ja saktee.
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Yani apki ya zakir naik ki nazar mein kisi bhi kisam ki tafreeh haram hai

tafreeh nahin aisee tafreeh jo insaan ko shaitanee rastay per daal day.isi qisam ke taweel ke wajah say humaray mulk kay sarbarah pervaiz musharf sahib bhee islam kay to khulam khula khilaf hain magar yaoum aiy azadi kay moqa per khul kar stage per dance kartay nazar atay hain.
khud hazoor saw sahaba kay dar maiyan baith kar khil khila kar hanstay thay. sahaba rz app saw kay samnay aik dosray sahabi say mazak bhee kartay thay.aour app saw us say mehzooz bhee hotay thay , to is say yehee sabit howa kay tafreeh nahin bulkay shaitanee tafreeh say manna kiya gaiya hay.
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To ilzaam to phir lyrics aur poetry par hua, music par nahin  Aisi illogical, blasphemous poetry to music k bagher bhi gaai jaye to wo poetry haram hi thehray gi to phir sath mein music ko kyun "bali charha" rahay hain

oh bahi jab musical instuments hee haram hain to phir zahree baat us say nikalnay walee awaz bhee haram hay itni taweel ke kiya zaroorat hay.yeh to wohee baat howee kay sood haram hay magar us say kiya gaiya karobaar haram nahin , waha kiya logic hay.aour phir baat to yeh kay poetry bhee haram nahin jab tak kay ghair ikhlaqi aour ghair islami na hoo.sydna hassan bin sabit khud aik shaeer thay aour app kay samany shair kehtay thay magar app nay unhain manna nahin kiya.
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Warna kehne wala keh sakta hai k jab aap poetry ki book ya koi novel parhein to phir bhi insan ghafil ho jata hai lehaza novels parhna bhi haram hai.....  iss tarha ki baaton se cheezain haram honay lagi na to koi cheez halal nahin bachay gi
poetry ya naval main agar kowee ghair sharee baat ho ghee too woh bhee haram hee ho ghee
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Ghalat !! kabhi aap ne bachon ko bagher music k jhoomtay huay nahin dekha ??? Also can u prove k main agar apnay room mein khara ho kar idhar udhar hilon to ye haram ho jaye ga kyunke ye dance ki category mein aa gaya

main phir yehee kahoon gha"DIL KAY BEHLANAY KO YEH KHIYAL ACHA HAY "
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kamaal ki logic hai khaas taur par ye aakhri waali
kuch logon ke her logic kee kamal kee hay
CODE
WO to phir Duff ki awaaz par bhi mene logon ko jhoomtay dekha hai aur paon hilaatay, to phir aap mujhay bataain k duff kesay halal ho gai
duff bhee haram hay aour is ka ref main pehlay bhee day chuka hoon abb phir day daita hoon
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MASNAD AHMAD BIN HANBAL , BAB MASNAD BAQEE ALANSAR HADITH NO 21202
‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سيار بن حاتم ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏جعفر ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏أتيت ‏ ‏فرقدا ‏ ‏يوما فوجدته خاليا فقلت يا ‏ ‏ابن أم فرقد ‏ ‏لأسألنك اليوم عن هذا الحديث فقلت أخبرني عن قولك في ‏ ‏الخسف ‏ ‏والقذف أشيء تقوله أنت أو تأثره عن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال لا بل آثره عن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قلت ومن حدثك ‏ ‏قال حدثني ‏ ‏عاصم بن عمرو البجلي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي أمامة ‏ ‏عن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏وحدثني ‏ ‏قتادة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعيد بن المسيب ‏ ‏وحدثني ‏ ‏به ‏ ‏إبراهيم النخعي ‏
‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏تبيت طائفة من أمتي على أكل وشرب ولهو ولعب ثم يصبحون قردة وخنازير فيبعث على أحياء من أحيائهم ريح فتنسفهم كما نسفت من كان قبلهم باستحلالهم الخمور وضربهم بالدفوف واتخاذهم ‏ ‏القينات
IS HADITH KAY AKHRI ALFAZ DEKH LAIN " AOUR YEH IS SABAB SAY HO GHA KAY WOH HALAL KAR LAIN GHAY SHARAB KO AOUR DAFF BAJANAY KOO AOUR GANAY WALION KOO.
MERA KHIYAL HAY KAY DAFF KE WAJAH SAY MUSIC KO JAIZ QARAR DAINAY WALAY DOST AGAR WAQAIY HEE APNEE ISLAH KA JAZBA RAKHTAY HAIN TO PHIR IS HADITH KO DEKHTAY HOWAY WOH APNA NAZRIYA ZAROOR TABDEEL KAR LAIN GHAY
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I am not agree with the conclusion that except Daff ....other instruments are forbidden

also not agree with the last lines/comments about music
agar Music kisi kay zehen mein ghalat khyal paida karnay ki waja say as a whole "haram" qarar pata hay to iss say pehlay poetry, adab waghaira sab haram ho jayein gay
sirf ghalat ya bey-mani lyrics ki waja say music ko as a whole haram qarar dena bilkul ghalat baat hay .....jis kay zehen mein music say koi ghalat khyal aata hay probably us ki soch hi iss tarah ki hogi
main sari zindagi say music sun raha hoon .........main nay to aaj tak koi aisi cheez mehsoos nahin ki
it's totally illogical
kashif bahi app plz zara in ahdith per ghaour karain aour phir sochain kay kiya app ka nazriya music kay baray main sahih hay. mairay dost jab allah kay nabi saw ke wazaih ahadith hain is mamalay main too issay mashkook kiuon qarar diya ja raha hay.kiya NABI AKARAM SAW ka hukam app kay leeyai kafee nahin.plz zara ghaour karain kay app saw nay baqaida musical instruments kay naam bhee lay diyai hain yani " MAAZIF,MAZAMEER,DUFFOOF ."plz yaar abb aour batain kay aour kiya chaheeyai app ko music haram qarar dainay kay leeyai. aour mairay bahi app ka dil isko haram nahin manta is leeyai kay app khud tasleem kartay hain kay app music saree zindagee say sun rahay hain. too kiya app ka saree zindagee music sunna app kay liya isay halal bana daita hay.mairay bahi sharab ke hurmat anay say pehlay kayee sahaba kay mutalik yeh pata chalta hay kay woh saree umar sharab peetay thay. magar hukam a janay kay baad kiya unhoon nay yeh taweel kee hum saree umar say pee rahay hain is leeya yeh halal hay. bahi ALLAH aour rasool saw kay hukam kay samnay sur aiy tasleem kham karna hee islam hay.aour mairay bahi quran ke ayat bhee perh lain
1. sorah anaam 6 ayat no 32
2. sorah mohammad47 ayat no 36
3. sorah hadid 57ayat 20
in ayat main lahvo laaab ka zikar hay , app say sawal hay kay lahv o laab say app kiya murab laiatay hain.
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nahin main nay aisa hargiz nahin kaha ......main apnay pc par koi bhi kaam kartay waqt background mein music sunta hooN
bahi app tilawat kiuon nahin suntay ajj kall to online bhee tilawat mil jtee hay aour bhee tarjumay kay sath.is ka seeda sa matlab hay kay app nafs ko music acha lagta hay. is wajah say app isay chorna nahin chatay
aour hairat kee baat hay kay ummat jis mamalay per mutafiq hay chand loog apnay nafs ke tasqeen kay leeyai usay halal qarar dainay per tullay hain .jab kay sahih tar ahadith say ,sahaba kay amal say ,fuqaha , ulema ,mohadatheen kay aqwal o fatawajat say yeh baat sabit hay kay music haram hay
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as for music in normal lives (khabarnama etc) u can watch this vid... i think it provides a very nice aaproach towards music

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0k9gdEAhYTo

aur meray bhai bagar music dance nahi hota... suchi baat hai buhat pass raha hoon bachon kay magar unko bagair music kabhi jhoomtay nahi dekha

aur yeh jo foot tapping ki misaal di aap nay yeh bhi pehli baar hi aap say suna hai keh log book parhtay howay bhi kartay hoon... waisya bhi mera ilm mehdood hai... shayad kartay hon main nay nahi dekha

waisay jo aap nay meri pehli post ka jawab diya hai iska matlab hai keh jo cheez ghaafil na karay woh allow hai islam main???
is tarah to agar main kahoon keh thori si sharab pi laita hoon mujhay to itni si quatity ghaafil nahi karti to woh allow ho gaye?


exactly...........thats the point.........
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QUOTE(VrSoLdIeRs @ Jan 26 2008, 10:13 PM) [snapback]2688997[/snapback]
as for music in normal lives (khabarnama etc) u can watch this vid... i think it provides a very nice aaproach towards music

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0k9gdEAhYTo

aur meray bhai bagar music dance nahi hota... suchi baat hai buhat pass raha hoon bachon kay magar unko bagair music kabhi jhoomtay nahi dekha

aur yeh jo foot tapping ki misaal di aap nay yeh bhi pehli baar hi aap say suna hai keh log book parhtay howay bhi kartay hoon... waisya bhi mera ilm mehdood hai... shayad kartay hon main nay nahi dekha

waisay jo aap nay meri pehli post ka jawab diya hai iska matlab hai keh jo cheez ghaafil na karay woh allow hai islam main??? is tarah to agar main kahoon keh thori si sharab pi laita hoon mujhay to itni si quatity ghaafil nahi karti to woh allow ho gaye?


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aur meray bhai bagar music dance nahi hota... suchi baat hai buhat pass raha hoon bachon kay magar unko bagair music kabhi jhoomtay nahi dekha


Chalein main apko video dikha deta hon k music k bagher bhi dance hota hai smile.gif Aap ne music k haram honay ki ek wajah yahi batayi thi k music ki wajah se hi dance hota hai lehaza jis jis cheez se dance ho sakta hai wo bhi apkay mutabik haram honni chaahiye......

now look at this

This is the video of a cricket match between India and South Africa, Sreesanth (batsman) hit a six on the bowling of andre nel (bowler) and then danced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gE30ak1aE

Sreesanth k ilava chris gayle (west indies captain) ko bhi aap ne aksar out kar k dance kartay dekha ho ga, abdul qadir pakistani leg spinner ka to naam hi dancing bowler tha kyunke wo dance kartay huay bowling karwata tha, harbhajan singh, pedro collins etc bhi aksar aisa kartay hain, kya aap ne yuvraj singh aur harbhajan ko twenty 20 world cup mein australia k khilaaf semifinal mein jeet par dance kartay nahin dekha?? ..... Phir players se baahir aain to spectators six aur four lagnay par bagher music k apko dance kartay dikhayi dein gay........ kya aap ne kabhi cricket ka koi match nahin dekha ya kabhi stadium nahin gaye ???

Lehaza chunke cricket ki wajah se dance hota hai lehaza cricket bhi haram hui,

Ab aain football ya soccer ki taraf, kya aap ne kabhi kisi footballer specially african nations k footballers ko goal kar k dance kartay nahin dekha ?? kya aap ne kabhi football ka koi match nahin dekha ?? kya aap ne spectators ko match k dauraan dance kartay nahin dekha ?? kya aap ne football teams ko match jeetne par mil kar dance kartay nahin dekha ??

Yani football bhi haram hua........


Mene issi liye kaha hai k aisi logics se har cheez haraam hoti jaaye gi , ya chalein aap ne kaha k tamaam musical instruments mein se sirf duff halaal hai tok ya duff par dance nahin hota?? Zara poochiye unse jo dubai waghera mein rehte hain kya duff par dance nahin ho sakta ??? AGar ho sakta hai to phir ye bhi to haram hua, isko kyun halal kehtay hain ???


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aur yeh jo foot tapping ki misaal di aap nay yeh bhi pehli baar hi aap say suna hai keh log book parhtay howay bhi kartay hoon... waisya bhi mera ilm mehdood hai... shayad kartay hon main nay nahi dekha


Chalein ab note kijiye ga smile.gif agar aap student hain to apni class mein hi lecture k dauraan students ko dekh kar zara ghaour kijiye ga smile.gif

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waisay jo aap nay meri pehli post ka jawab diya hai iska matlab hai keh jo cheez ghaafil na karay woh allow hai islam main???


Mene aisa kab kaha ?? Mene to sirf ye kaha tha k kisi cheez ko haraam qaraar dene k liye ye koi logic nahin hai k uss se insan namaz se ghafil ho jata hai, maslan neend ki wajah se insan namaz se ghaafil ho jata hai to kya neend haram hai?? students ne aksar dkeha ho ga k wo parhayi mein itne magan ho jatay hain k kayi dafa namaz ka time nikal jata hai to kya parhayi haram ho gai?? nahin balkeh iss tarha ka ravayyah haram hai k kisi cheez mein aisay magan ho jao k namaz wagehra bhi yaad na rahay......

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is tarah to agar main kahoon keh thori si sharab pi laita hoon mujhay to itni si quatity ghaafil nahi karti to woh allow ho gaye?


Awwal to ghaafil hona ya na hona koi mayaar hi nahin jesa k mene bataya opar walay reply mein, kyunke pig ka gisht khanay se bhi insan ghafil nahin ho jata, magar ghafil na honay k bawajood wo haram hai......
Doosri baat k sharaab se Quran ne sareehan mana kiya hai....... Kisi hadith mein bhi aap nahin dikha saktay k Hazoor(PBUH) ne iska thora bouhat hi use kiya ho......... lehaza ye cheez to ho gai sareehan haram
Doosri taraf Music ko Quran ne bilkul haram nahin thehraya, aur ahadith iskay mutallik mukhtalif hain kuch mein music suna gaya aur kuch mein iss se mana kiya gaya..... lehaza music ko sharab se compare karna kis tarha sahi ho sakta hai??? Aur jo haalat nashay ya sharaab pee kar hoti hai music sun-ne e wo haalat hoti hai?? itni exaggeration bhi achi nahin hoti.....

Aur akhri baat aap kehtay hain k Sub musical instruments haram hain sivaye duff k....... to agar main bhi aap ki tarha sharab aur music ko compare karon aur kahon har qisam ki sharab haraam hain sivaye whisky k....... to phir aap kya kahein gay? smile.gif

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exactly...........thats the point.........


Iss point ka jawab meri opar wali post mein majood hai smile.gif
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main yeh pehlay bhi tasleem kar chuka hoon keh na to meri pass time hota hai na hi knowledge keh sari ki sari baaton ka jawab day sakoon... waisay bhi jin maslon ko alim hazraat centuries say nahi solve kar sakay

anywayzzz bhai meray aap kisi bhi ko dikha dain aur woh kehay keh haan ji yeh sub proper dance hai to phir hai... is tarah to shoaib bhi wicket lay kar "dance" karta tha... masla yeh hai keh main islam ko pinhole say dekhnay ya aik dabay main band karnay ka shauqeen nahi hoon... jo main nay upar aap ko video ka link diya tha na us main bhi yehi tha keh aap cheezon ko limit nahi kar saktay

suchi baat hai ji kisi ko foot tapping kartay nahi dekha... magar kartay hoon gay... Allah hi janay

sharab ko main nay music say compare nahi kiya main nay sirf yeh kaha tha keh agar mujhay sharab peenay say kuch nahi hota ya thori si peenay say kuch nahi hota to main peena shuru kar doon???

aur haan plzz aap woh sari sahi hadith post kar dain jis main music wagayra ho... main zara pooch loon smile.gif
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hairat ke baat hay kay wazaih ahadith honay kay baad bhee loog music ko halal qarar daina chahtay hain


Issi topic ki pehli post mein Abu Adnan ne 2 ahadith aisi pesh ki hain jis mein music ki ijazat majood hai..... un ahadith ka inkar ye sahib khud kar rahay hain aur ilzam dosron ko.... jin mein se ek ye hai, inn 2 k ilava bhi kafi hain,

“On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine (daff) and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them. The Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina."

[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.2 Hadith No.987]

Yahan ab 2 tarha hi ahadith hain kuch mein music ki ijazat hai kuch mein mumaniyat, dekhne mein yahan ahadith mein tazaad maloom hota hai k kahin ijazat hai kahin mumaniyat lehaza aisay mauqay par tatbeeq ki jati hai aur agar tatbeeq hona mumkin na ho to phir hi ek tarha ki ahadith ko sahi maan kar doosri tarha ki ahadith ko par fauqiyat di ja sakti hai……
Yahan asim bhai ne tatbeeq karnay ki bajaye sirf mumaniyat wali ahadith qabool kar li aur baqi ijazat wali ahadith ka na sirf inkar kiya balkeh unko shaitani amal bhi kaha…. Astaghfirullah.

Ek do bhaiyun ne ye tatbeek ki k chunke ijazat wali ahadith mein duff bajanay ka zikr hai lehaza tamam musical instruments mein se sirf duff hi haram hai…… lekin ye loag music par jis tarha k aitrazaat laga rahay hain wo sub duff mein bhi paaye jatay hain to phir ye baat bhi logical nahin maani ja sakti, tatbeeq wohi sahi ho gi jo sub se zyada logical ho gi…..
Doosri tatbeeq ye hai k jin ahadith mein music waghera ki mumaniyat hai wahan aksar jaga sharab aur naachne waliyun ka zikr hai jis se saaf pata milta hai k Hazoor(PBUH) ne kis tarha k music ki mumaniyat farmayi hai……… jabke jahan aisa kuch nahin tha sharab o shabaab ki mehfalein nahin thi, jahan fahash lyrics par mushtamil geet na thay wahan Rasool(PBUH) ne music se mana nahin kiya balkeh ijazat di……..balkeh eid aur shadi par to khasoosi taur par iski ijazat di gai…….

Ab soorat e haal ye hai k jo loag dono qisam ki ahadith mein tatbeeq kartay hain chahay unkay end result mukhtalif hi hon yani ek sirf achhay music ko halal samjhay aur ek sirf duff ko, ye dono qisam k loag dono tarha ki ahadith ka iqraar kartay hain au runko qabool karaty hain……..

Lekin asim sahib aur unki party k loag jo isko mukammal haram batatay hain aur duff ko bhi haram kehtay hain wo inkar e hadith k murtakib hotay hain kyunke woe k qisam ki ahadith ko maan kar doosri kisam ki ahadith se wazeh inkar kartay hain……..


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aour woh sirf is liya kay music sunna insan kay shaitani jazbay ko sakoon daita hay.


Astaghfirullah !!! Ahadith mein khud majood hai k Hazoor(PBUH) ne music suna, opar wali hadith hi dekh lein, uss mein hai k Hazrat Ayesha(RA) ne bhi suna,

Ab jo shakhs Rasool(PBUH) k kiye gaye kaam ko Shaitani jazbay ko sakoon dena kehta hai uss ko kya kaha jaaye ?? Dosron ko galiyun aur alqabaat se nawazne waalay asim ko yahan Tauheen e Risalat par kya kaha jaaye ?? Kya inko Shaatam e Rasool(PBUH) na kaha jaaye ?? Rasool(PBUH) ki itni bay-adbi to Salman Rushdie aur Tasleema Nasreen jeson ne bhi na ki thi...... Afsos sad Afsos......

Har har lafz insan ko ehtayaat aur soch samajh kar likhna chaahiye k iski zadd kis kis par parti hai, ye nahin k jo dil karay likh mara......ek ek tehreer ka hisaab ho ga.


Shaitani jazbaat ko wohi music taskeen de ga jiskay sath sharab o shabab ki mehfil jamay gi ya jis k sath bay-hooda poetry ho gi.......Haan music insaani jazbaat ko taskeen deta hai aur insaani jazbaat ko taskeen milna ya dena haram nahin, yahan to jis shakhs ka dil chahta hai halal o haram k daftar khol k baith jata hai.

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aour hairat ke baat kay loog kis kis taweel say music ko halal qarar day rahay hain kay . kay g hum programme daikhtay hain aour us kay peechay music baj raha hota hay


Banda pehle doosray ki baat poori to parh le phir baat karay....... ek sahib ne likha tha k music intoxicates, uskay jawab mein mene likha tha k documentaries ya headline news mein bhi music baj raha hota hai kabhi music ne intoxicate nahin kiya, ab ya to aap ye sabit kartay k it intoxicates to tab baat thi lekin aap baat hi ulat gaye smile.gif thumbsdown_anim.gif


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tafreeh nahin aisee tafreeh jo insaan ko shaitanee rastay per daal day.


Good!! yani jab kahin music bajta hai ya joon hi piano baja insan shaitani rastay ki taraf chala jata hai ?? Har school mein qaumi tarana music par bajta hai kabhi kisi ka zehan qaumi taranay k music ko sun kar shaitani rastay ki taraf gaya ?? Agar aapka apna dil shaitani rastay ki taraf jata hai to it is an exception smile.gif
Apkay mobile par koi bell karta hai to ringtone ki awaz suntay hi apka zehan shaitani rastay ki taraf chala jata hai ??? If yes then it means u and shaitan are in love smile.gif



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duff bhee haram hay


Ye lijiye !!!! pehle haram waalay loag ek side par ho kar duff ko halal kehne waalon se baat karein phir idhar aain :d

Islam mein halal o haram k ahkamaat bilkul wazeh hain, ye nahin k kuch ulama kahein ye totally haram hai, kuch kahein nahin duff to halal hai aur kuch kahein k nahin sirf iska bura use haraam hai........

Opar hadith bayaan hui hai jis mein wazeh taur par duff bajanay ka zikr hai aur Rasool(PBUH) ne iski ijazat bhi di, iss par ye sahib agar kahein k Rasool(PBUH) ne ek haraam kaam ki ijazat di to phir to inn ka Allah hi hafiz hai....... Lagta hai kisi cheez ko haram qarar dene ka haq inn sahib ne apna samajh liya hai........Itna wazeh taur par ahadith ka inkaar ?? aur phir munkir e hadith doosron ko kehtay hain...... iss se zyada inkar e hadith aur kya ho ga ?? Duff k halal honay par mazeed ahadith mulahiza hon, font zara chhota hai magar it is still readable….






Narrated Urwa on the authority of Aisha

“On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine (daff) and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them. The Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina."

[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.2 Hadith No.987]


Narrated Ar Rabi (the daughter of Muawwidh bin Afra):

“After the consummation of my marriage, the Prophet came and sat on my bed as far from me as you are sitting now, and our little girls started beating the tambourines (daff) and reciting elegiac verses mourning my father, who had been killed in the battle of Badr. One of them said, ‘Among us is a Prophet who knows what will happen tomorrow.’ On that the Prophet said, ‘Leave this (saying) and keep on saying the verses which you had been saying before.’ [Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5147]




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aour hairat kee baat hay kay ummat jis mamalay per mutafiq


Jab kisi k paas koi daleel nahin bachti to phir wo ye keh kar doosron ko maroob karnay ki koshish karta hai, jabke ulama ki bari aksarriyat asim bhai k khilaf duff ko jaiz samajhti hai aur ek bari aksarriyat duff k ilava baqi instruments ko bhi jaiz samajhti hai jis mein Imam Shokani, Imam Ghazali etc jesay beshumaar loag hain Doctor Hameed Ullah sahib jo ke kafi mashoor islamic scholar thay balkeh shaaid jamat e islami se kaafi kareeb bhi thay, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Khawja Hasan Nizami, Abdul Haleem Sharar, Allama Badrud Din Aini Hanfi (Writer of Sharah Sahi Bukhari) Allama Shah Muhammad Jafar Nadvi, Hazrat Nizam Ud Din Auliya, Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Haq Muhaddas Dehalvi, Hazrat Sheikh Naqi Ud Din, Sheikh ul Fuqaha Allama Kher ud din Aamli
Nawab Siddiq Hassan Khan (Mashoor ahle hadith scholar), Abdul Aziz Ibne Baaz, Imam Ibne Taimiyyah, Ibn e Hajar Asqalani
(ye akhri teeno hazraat musical instruments bajanay ko sirf aurat se khas kartay hain, lekin music sun-nay ko mamnoo nahi kehtay)
Allama Ibne Hazam, Imam Zuhbi, Sufyan Sauri, Abu Bakr Ibn Al Arabi.

Imam Ghazali apni kitab "Keemiya e saadat" mein ye bhi likhtay hain k "Jo shakhs duff par gana sun-ne ko haram kahay usne fail e Nabi ka inkar kiya lehaza murtakab e Kufar hua".



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ulema ,mohadatheen kay aqwal o fatawajat say yeh baat sabit hay kay music haram hay


Chalein ulama o muhaddiseen ka nuqta e nazar bhi sun lijiye, yaad rahay k oopar jo itne naam likhay hain un mein se sirf ek ka nuqta e nazar pesh karta hon sirf, kyunke main ye sub kuch yahan pehle bhi tafseelan pesh kar chuka hon, uss topic mein jiska link do, teen baar asim sahib ko dia k pehle ye parh lijiye magar wo parhne se inkari hain smile.gif


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duff bhee haram hay aour is ka ref main pehlay bhee day chuka hoon abb phir day daita hoon


Herat ka muqaam hai, opar wali Sahi Bukhari ki ahadith ko chhor kar jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur Rasool(PBUH) ka music sun-na mazkoor hai, ye sahib Musnad Imam Ahmad ki hadith pesh kartay hain, iss kitab k mutallik muhaddiseen ki rai ye hai k ye imam ahmad bin hanbal se ghalat mansoob hai aur iss mein aadhi se zyada ahadith zaeef ya mauzoo hain....... iskay siha e sitta mein shamil na honay ki wajoohaat mein se sub se bari wajah yahi hai, kher hum farz kiye letay hain k ye hadith bilkul sahi hai lekin phir bhi ye unn beshumaar doosri ahadith k khilaaf hai jin mein duff ki wazeh ijazat majood hai, aur muhaddiseen ka ye asool hai k agar aisi soorat e haal ho to uss ek ko chhor k baqi kaseer tadaad waliyun ko qabool karo .

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aour mairay bahi quran ke ayat bhee perh lain
1. sorah anaam 6 ayat no 32
in ayat main lahvo laaab ka zikar hay , app say sawal hay kay lahv o laab say app kiya murab laiatay hain.


Mera khyal hai asim bhai yahan bhi lahv o lab ka tarjuma duff hi kartay hon gay yani ayat hai k ye duniya lahv o lab hai to ye iska tarjuma kartay hon gay k ye duniya duff hai……….. Good, extremely good show of inkar e hadith and tehreef e Quran,
Lahv o laab se muraad hai bay-sabati, iskay ilava har wo kaam jo Allah k raastay se hata de, yani agar koi shakhs har waqt computer se hi chipka rahay aur namaz waghera bhol jaye to ye computer bhi lahv o laab mein aaye ga, agar koi parhta hi rehta hai aur namaz waghera ko bhulayi rakhta hai to ye harkat bhi lahv o laab mein shaamil ho gi, halaal cheez bhi ek limit mein hi halal hoti hai, yani aitdaal mein reh kar, maslan ek Sahabi ko Hazoor(PBUH) ne har waqt qirat aur nama mein mashghool dekh kar kaha tha k tum kuch araam bhi kiya karo, tumharay jism ka bhi tum par haq hai...... lehaza aitdaal mein reh kar zindagi guzarni chaahiye aur kisi bhi cheez mein hadh se nahin barhana chaahiye, ye nahin k khelna shuru karo to khelte hi jao, ye phir lahv o laab bun jaye ga.......
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anywayzzz bhai meray aap kisi bhi ko dikha dain aur woh kehay keh haan ji yeh sub proper dance hai to phir hai... is tarah to shoaib bhi wicket lay kar "dance" karta tha...


Proper aur improper dance kya hota hai ?? Academy se to koi nai seekh k aata sivaye professionals k, mene sirf ye bataya tha k ye koi wajah na hui, aur dance to duff par bhi ho sakta hai aur hota hai, uss duff ko jisay aap halal keh rahay hain......

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sharab ko main nay music say compare nahi kiya main nay sirf yeh kaha tha keh agar mujhay sharab peenay say kuch nahi hota ya thori si peenay say kuch nahi hota to main peena shuru kar doon???


Nahin ye kisne kaha, aur topic to music par hai aap sharab ko beech mein le aaye smile.gif

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aur haan plzz aap woh sari sahi hadith post kar dain jis main music wagayra ho...


Iss se kuch din pehle bhi ek topic music par chala tha jis mein mene 2,3 dafa ek topic ka link diya tha jis mein music par kaafi tafseeli baat cheet hui hai, ussi mein sub ahadith aa gai hain, if u wanna know, then read that. Wesay issi topic mein jo ahadith bayaan hui hain unhi ko hi aap pooch lijiye ga, itna hi bouhat hai, kyunke jisne inko nahin maan-na unhon ne baqiyun ko bhi khaatir mein nahin lana smile.gif
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Proper aur improper dance kya hota hai ?? Academy se to koi nai seekh k aata sivaye professionals k, mene sirf ye bataya tha k ye koi wajah na hui, aur dance to duff par bhi ho sakta hai aur hota hai, uss duff ko jisay aap halal keh rahay hain......

dance kay baray main to main nay kuch kaha hi nahi na keh islam main allow hai ya nahi... main nay sirf yeh kaha hai keh dance kisi bhi rythmic sound par kar saktay hain... aur proper dance ki koi definaion nahi hoti aap kisi ko bhi dikha kar pooch lain woh jo vids hain aap ki unko kehay keh haan dance kar raha hai to hai.. n as i said earie rmain islam ko dabay main band kar kay rakhnay ka qail nahi hoon

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sharab ko main nay music say compare nahi kiya main nay sirf yeh kaha tha keh agar mujhay sharab peenay say kuch nahi hota ya thori si peenay say kuch nahi hota to main peena shuru kar doon???


Nahin ye kisne kaha, aur topic to music par hai aap sharab ko beech mein le aaye smile.gif

woh is wajah say kyun keh aap nay kaha tha keh music say banda apnay hosh main rehta hai

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aur haan plzz aap woh sari sahi hadith post kar dain jis main music wagayra ho...


Iss se kuch din pehle bhi ek topic music par chala tha jis mein mene 2,3 dafa ek topic ka link diya tha jis mein music par kaafi tafseeli baat cheet hui hai, ussi mein sub ahadith aa gai hain, if u wanna know, then read that. Wesay issi topic mein jo ahadith bayaan hui hain unhi ko hi aap pooch lijiye ga, itna hi bouhat hai, kyunke jisne inko nahin maan-na unhon ne baqiyun ko bhi khaatir mein nahin lana smile.gif
calain sehi hain... main dekh loon ga thanks

*DhanaK*
main islam ko dabay main band kar kay rakhnay ka qail nahi hoon

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Iss point ka jawab meri opar wali post mein majood hai smile.gif


Assalam o Alaikum DL Bhai rose.gif

hope u r f9........thanks 4 the information...........lakin aap ki information daikh ker mujhay Hazrat Ali ka ek waqia yaad aa raha hay smile.gif

"Hazrat Ali (R.A) namaz parhnay ja rahay thay to kisi nay TIME WASTE karnay k liye un say kaha k aap hamain anday denay walay aur bachay denay walay janwaron k naam batain (is baat say un ka maqsad yeh tha k aap naam batanay lagain gay aur namaz ka time nikal jaye ga) lakin aap (R.A) nay farmaya: jin k kaan baher hon wo bachay detay hain aur jin k ander hon wo anday" smile.gif

mujhay feel ho raha hay aap nay bhi baat ko itnaaaaaaaaaaa lamba ker dia hay k us ka asal mafhoom hi kho jaye........jub k Soldier ka kehna bohat simple tha k "JO CHEEZ MADHOSHI PEDA KARAY WO HARAM HAY"

like i love to read novels.......i think if i miss any prayer due to reading novel.......than novel is also haram smile.gif

aap bohat achay hain.......aap k paas bohat knowledge hay.........lakin main dua karoon gi k Allah tala aap ko apna knowledge positive sense main share karnay ki tofeeq day, ameen duas.gif plz ignore......if anything hurt u rose.gif




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Herat ka muqaam hai, opar wali Sahi Bukhari ki ahadith ko chhor kar jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur Rasool(PBUH) ka music sun-na mazkoor hai, ye sahib Musnad Imam Ahmad ki hadith pesh kartay hain, iss kitab k mutallik muhaddiseen ki rai ye hai k ye imam ahmad bin hanbal se ghalat mansoob hai aur iss mein aadhi se zyada ahadith zaeef ya mauzoo hain....... iskay siha e sitta mein shamil na honay ki wajoohaat mein se sub se bari wajah yahi hai, kher hum farz kiye letay hain k ye hadith bilkul sahi hai lekin phir bhi ye unn beshumaar doosri ahadith k khilaaf hai jin mein duff ki wazeh ijazat majood hai, aur muhaddiseen ka ye asool hai k agar aisi soorat e haal ho to uss ek ko chhor k baqi kaseer tadaad waliyun ko qabool karo .

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aour mairay bahi quran ke ayat bhee perh lain
1. sorah anaam 6 ayat no 32
in ayat main lahvo laaab ka zikar hay , app say sawal hay kay lahv o laab say app kiya murab laiatay hain.


Mera khyal hai asim bhai yahan bhi lahv o lab ka tarjuma duff hi kartay hon gay yani ayat hai k ye duniya lahv o lab hai to ye iska tarjuma kartay hon gay k ye duniya duff hai……….. Good, extremely good show of inkar e hadith and tehreef e Quran,
Lahv o laab se muraad hai bay-sabati, iskay ilava har wo kaam jo Allah k raastay se hata de, yani agar koi shakhs har waqt computer se hi chipka rahay aur namaz waghera bhol jaye to ye computer bhi lahv o laab mein aaye ga, agar koi parhta hi rehta hai aur namaz waghera ko bhulayi rakhta hai to ye harkat bhi lahv o laab mein shaamil ho gi, halaal cheez bhi ek limit mein hi halal hoti hai, yani aitdaal mein reh kar, maslan ek Sahabi ko Hazoor(PBUH) ne har waqt qirat aur nama mein mashghool dekh kar kaha tha k tum kuch araam bhi kiya karo, tumharay jism ka bhi tum par haq hai...... lehaza aitdaal mein reh kar zindagi guzarni chaahiye aur kisi bhi cheez mein hadh se nahin barhana chaahiye, ye nahin k khelna shuru karo to khelte hi jao, ye phir lahv o laab bun jaye ga.......
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Herat ka muqaam hai, opar wali Sahi Bukhari ki ahadith ko chhor kar jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur Rasool(PBUH) ka music sun-na mazkoor hai,
HC MEMBERS APP SUB PLZ IS QUOTATION PER KIYA KAHAIN GHAY JIS MAIN DAY LIGHT SAHIB KA KEHNA HAY APP SAW MUSIC SUNTAY THAY INA LILLAH HAY WA INA ELAIH RAJIOON.(yeh himmat kowee pervaizee hee kar sakta hay.)
agar app mosiqi walee post say na bhagtay too app ko apnee tamam batoonka jawab bhee waheen mil jata kay naozbillah app saw music suntay thay.ya nahin.
abb kuch sawalat isi zimn main.
1. kiya app saw nay kabhi kowee baqaida music sunnay ka ehtemam kiya tha.
2. kiya woh bachiyaan kowee song gaa rahee theen.
3.kiya app saw say kabhi kisi sahabi nay music kay baray main pocha .aour app nay music ke hillat ka farman jaree kiya. jo yeh aqeedah bana liya jaa aiy.
4.kiya music kay haram honay ke wazaih ahadith nahin.to agar hain to phir music halal kaisay ho gaiya.zara yeh ayat ghaour say aour pervaiz say baighari mutasir howay perh lain .sorah ahzab 33 ayat no 36
وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤۡمِنِِ وَلَا مُؤۡمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَی ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥۤ أَمۡرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ ٱلۡخِيَرَةُ مِنۡ أَمۡرِهِمۡۗ وَمَن يَعۡصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَقَدۡ ضَلَّ ضَلَـٰلاََ مُّبِينََا
اور کسی مومن مرد اور مومن عورت کو حق نہیں ہے کہ جب خدا اور اس کا رسول کوئی امر مقرر کردیں تو وہ اس کام میں اپنا بھی کچھ اختیار سمجھیں۔ اور جو کوئی خدا اور اس کے رسول کی نافرمانی کرے وہ صریح گمراہ ہوگیا

kiya daff wali hadith main kowee hukmay rasool saw hay nahin jabkay bukhari ke hadith main wazaeh tour per amar rasool saw yani app saw ka hukam mojood hay.abb agar app AMARAY RASOOL SAW say nafarmanee karatay hain to phir quran ke roshnee main na farmana aiy ALLAH AOUR RASOOL SAW HAIN.
5.kiya hareer (raisham )kay mard kay liyai haram honay ke hadith mojood nahin hay.hallankay app saw nay khud raisham bhee pehna hay. yahan hum kis bat say istanbaat karain ghay,hukmay rasool saw sayya app nay jo apnee zindagee main aik dafa hareer zaib aiy tan us say. definetly hukam ko hee manain ghay.
5. kiya app saw ke naboowat ke zindagee 23 saal per moheet nahin aour is saray arsay main allah kay hukam say puranay amal tabdeel hotay rahay.aour naayai ahkamat atay rahay.aour kiay app ko yeh daff wali ahdith say pata nahin chalta kay woh kis daour kee hain.
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iss kitab k mutallik muhaddiseen ki rai ye hai k ye imam ahmad bin hanbal se ghalat mansoob hai aur iss mein aadhi se zyada ahadith zaeef ya mauzoo hain....... iskay siha e sitta mein shamil na honay ki wajoohaat mein se sub se bari wajah yahi hai

وَإِذَا تُتۡلَیٰ عَلَيۡهِمۡ ءَايَاتُنَا بَيِّنَـٰتِِۙ قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَرۡجُونَ لِقَآءَنَا ٱیۡتِ بِقُرۡءَانٍ غَيۡرِ هَـٰذَآ أَوۡ بَدِّلۡهُۚ قُلۡ مَا يَكُونُ لِیۤ أَنۡ أُبَدِّلَهُۥ مِن تِلۡقَآیِٕ نَفۡسِیۤۖ إِنۡ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَیٰۤ إِلَیَّۖ إِنِّیۤ أَخَافُ إِنۡ عَصَيۡتُ رَبِّی عَذَابَ يَوۡمٍ عَظِيمِِ﴿١٥﴾
اور جب ان کو ہماری آیتیں پڑھ کر سنائی جاتی ہیں تو جن لوگوں کو ہم سے ملنے کی امید نہیں وہ کہتے ہیں کہ (یا تو) اس کے سوا کوئی اور قرآن (بنا) لاؤ یا اس کو بدل دو۔ کہہ دو کہ مجھ کو اختیار نہیں ہے کہ اسے اپنی طرف سے بدل دو۔ میں تو اسی حکم کا تابع ہوں جو میری طرف آتا ہے۔ اگر میں اپنے پروردگار کی نافرمانی کروں تو مجھے بڑے (سخت) دن کے عذاب سے خوف آتا ہے <۱۵>

jab hadith samnay aa gayee too abb Kitab O hadith he mashkook ho gayee.aour mera khiyal hay is ko mashkook bhee sirf TAMANA UMADI nay kaha hay . agar kisi aour alim ka naam yaad ho too bata dain.
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jin mein duff ki wazeh ijazat majood hai

AGAR APP JHOTAY NAHIN HAIN TO SIRF AIK HADITH PAISH KAR DAIN JIS MAIN APP SAW NAY KISI KO IJAZAT DEE HOO DUFF KEE.SIRF AIK HADITH , MAIRAY ALFAZ BUHAT HEE WAZAIH HAIN IN KA HOWEE HAIR PHAIR NA KARNA . MR LOGICAL.
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SIRF AIK HADITH PAISH KAR DAIN JIS MAIN APP SAW NAY KISI KO IJAZAT DEE HOO DUFF KEE.SIRF AIK HADITH


herat hai k abhi tak apki ye adat nahin gayi k jo baat bayaan kar di jaye usko baar baar poochna,

kya issi topic k page 1 ki pehli aur akhri post mein apko duff k mutallik koi hadith nazar nahin aayi ??
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kisi nay TIME WASTE karnay k liye


mujhay feel ho raha hay aap nay bhi baat ko itnaaaaaaaaaaa lamba ker dia hay k us ka asal mafhoom hi kho jaye
Apki baat ka jawab sirf 7 lines mein majood tha, Khud gin lijiye

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"Awwal to ghaafil hona ya na hona koi mayaar hi nahin jesa k mene bataya opar walay reply mein, kyunke pig ka gosht khanay se bhi insan ghafil nahin ho jata, magar ghafil na honay k bawajood wo haram hai....Doosri baat k sharaab se Quran ne sareehan mana kiya hai....... Kisi hadith mein bhi aap nahin dikha saktay k Hazoor(PBUH) ne iska thora bouhat hi use kiya ho......... lehaza ye cheez to ho gai sareehan haram,Doosri taraf Music ko Quran ne bilkul haram nahin thehraya, aur ahadith iskay mutallik mukhtalif hain kuch mein music suna gaya aur kuch mein iss se mana kiya gaya..... lehaza music ko sharab se compare karna kis tarha sahi ho sakta hai??? Aur jo haalat nashay ya sharaab pee kar hoti hai music sun-ne e wo haalat hoti hai?? itni exaggeration bhi achi nahin hoti....."


Agar ye 7 lines parhna bhi aap par bhaari tha aur aap k nazdeek itnaaaaaaa lamba reply tha to phir behtar hai k banda chit chat forums mein hi rahay jahan ek ek line ki posts hoti hain smile.gif Herat hai k aap likhti hain k apko novels parhnay ka shauq hai yani lambaaay lambaaay novels to apko TIME WASTE nahin lagtay lekin 7 lines parhna ap ko time waste aur lambaaa reply lagta hai..... yakeenan islam section mein koi aata hai to ussay zyada parhnay k liye zehan bana kar hi ana chahiye kyunke ye baatein ek ek fiqray mein nahin hoti.... Ye hamara almiya hai k hum novels parhtay rahein, tv dekhtay hain, gupshup kartay rahein, ghanton mobile aur phone par lagay rahein, chatting kartay rahein, razaiyun mein paray sotay rahein kabhi hamein TIME WASTE honay ka khyal nahin aata lekin jesay hi islam se mutallik koi baat hoti hai to "time" yaad aa jata hai k haye itna zyada ab kon parhay wo bhi islam k baray mein!! koi gossip hoti phir bhi tha smile.gif


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jub k Soldier ka kehna bohat simple tha k "JO CHEEZ MADHOSHI PEDA KARAY WO HARAM HAY"


Kya music se madhoshi paida ho jati hai?? kya 90% loag madhoshi mein car chala rahay hotay hain ?? Kya Rasool(PBUH) ne hijrat e madina k waqt madina mein qadam rakha aur music se apka istaqbaal kiya wahan ki bachiyun ne duff baja baja kar to kya wo sub Sahaba(RA) madhoshi ki halat mein thay (nauzbillah) ?? Apko iski madhoshi ki zyada khabar hai ya Rasool(PBUH) ko ?? Jab Allah ne ye farmaya k "Kon hai jo meri halal ki hui cheezon ko haram qaraar de" to aap ka ye tarz e amal aisa hi to nahin k main to issay haram kahon gi ?? Iss tarha madhoshi paida karni ho to wo to phir bouhat c cheezon mein paida ki jaa sakti hai, iss tarha apnay zehan se baatein bana kar k falan cheez bhi madhoshi hai falan bhi aur cheezon ko haram qarar detay rehna kesa amal hai?? zara sochiye ga iss par.....
Soldier ne wakayi simple baat ki thi lekin kisi baat ka simple hona uskay sahi honay ki alamat nahin, aur apko uss simple baat ka jawab diya jata hai to wo chunke apki mann pasand ka nahin lehaza aap ye keh kar jaan chhura leti hain k ye 7 lines parhna itnaaaaa time waste kar de ga, jab k novels parhne se koi time wastage nahin hoti smile.gif


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like i love to read novels.......i think if i miss any prayer due to reading novel.......than novel is also haram smile.gif


Yahi baat to mene kahi, aur iss par aap ne kaha "Allah tala aap ko apna knowledge positive sense main share karnay ki tofeeq day" lekin ab khud aap hi ye meri waali baat duhra rahi hain smile.gif

Ji bilkul novels se agar aap namaz waghera chhor deti hain aur ussi mein madhosh ya magan rehti hain to novel ka aisa use haram ho ga, iss se novel parhna bazaat e khud haraam nahin ho jaaye ga, agar main net par hi betha rahon aur koi aur kaam na karon namaz waghera bhi na parhon to mera net ka aisa istemaal karna haraam ho ga iss se net bazaat e khud haram nahin ho jaaye ga, issi tarha main agar music mein hi magan ho jata hon aur baqi aham kaam chhor deta hon to mera aisa amal haram ho ga iss se music bazaat e khud haraam nahin ho jaaye ga.....

Baat to ye bhi bouhat simple hai smile.gif isnt it ?



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plz ignore......if anything hurt u


U too, plz smile.gif
asim10
mera sawal tha
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AGAR APP JHOTAY NAHIN HAIN TO SIRF AIK HADITH PAISH KAR DAIN JIS MAIN APP SAW NAY KISI KO IJAZAT DEE HOO DUFF KEE.SIRF AIK HADITH , MAIRAY ALFAZ BUHAT HEE WAZAIH HAIN IN KA HOWEE HAIR PHAIR NA KARNA

aour app ka jawab yeh hay.
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herat hai k abhi tak apki ye adat nahin gayi k jo baat bayaan kar di jaye usko baar baar poochna,

kya issi topic k page 1 ki pehli aur akhri post mein apko duff k mutallik koi hadith nazar nahin aayi ??

main apnee baat aour bhee clear kar daita hoon .kiya kisi sahabi nay daff kay mutaliq app saw say kabhi daff kay mutaliq sawal kiya tha. aour us kay jawab main app nay us kee ejazat dee thee .agar haan to phir too app keh saktay hain kay is kee ejazat app saw nay dee .
sawal bara sedhaa tha magar jawab thumbsdown_anim.gif
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Herat ka muqaam hai, opar wali Sahi Bukhari ki ahadith ko chhor kar jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur Rasool(PBUH) ka music sun-na mazkoor hai,
HC MEMBERS APP SUB PLZ IS QUOTATION PER KIYA KAHAIN GHAY JIS MAIN DAY LIGHT SAHIB KA KEHNA HAY APP SAW MUSIC SUNTAY THAY INA LILLAH HAY WA INA ELAIH RAJIOON.(yeh himmat kowee pervaizee hee kar sakta hay.)
agar app mosiqi walee post say na bhagtay too app ko apnee tamam batoonka jawab bhee waheen mil jata kay naozbillah app saw music suntay thay.ya nahin.
abb kuch sawalat isi zimn main.
1. kiya app saw nay kabhi kowee baqaida music sunnay ka ehtemam kiya tha.
2. kiya woh bachiyaan kowee song gaa rahee theen.
3.kiya app saw say kabhi kisi sahabi nay music kay baray main pocha .aour app nay music ke hillat ka farman jaree kiya. jo yeh aqeedah bana liya jaa aiy.
4.kiya music kay haram honay ke wazaih ahadith nahin.to agar hain to phir music halal kaisay ho gaiya.zara yeh ayat ghaour say aour pervaiz say baighari mutasir howay perh lain .sorah ahzab 33 ayat no 36
وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤۡمِنِِ وَلَا مُؤۡمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَی ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥۤ أَمۡرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ ٱلۡخِيَرَةُ مِنۡ أَمۡرِهِمۡۗ وَمَن يَعۡصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَقَدۡ ضَلَّ ضَلَـٰلاََ مُّبِينََا
اور کسی مومن مرد اور مومن عورت کو حق نہیں ہے کہ جب خدا اور اس کا رسول کوئی امر مقرر کردیں تو وہ اس کام میں اپنا بھی کچھ اختیار سمجھیں۔ اور جو کوئی خدا اور اس کے رسول کی نافرمانی کرے وہ صریح گمراہ ہوگیا

kiya daff wali hadith main kowee hukmay rasool saw hay nahin jabkay bukhari ke hadith main wazaeh tour per amar rasool saw yani app saw ka hukam mojood hay.abb agar app AMARAY RASOOL SAW say nafarmanee karatay hain to phir quran ke roshnee main na farmana aiy ALLAH AOUR RASOOL SAW HAIN.
5.kiya hareer (raisham )kay mard kay liyai haram honay ke hadith mojood nahin hay.hallankay app saw nay khud raisham bhee pehna hay. yahan hum kis bat say istanbaat karain ghay,hukmay rasool saw sayya app nay jo apnee zindagee main aik dafa hareer zaib aiy tan us say. definetly hukam ko hee manain ghay.
5. kiya app saw ke naboowat ke zindagee 23 saal per moheet nahin aour is saray arsay main allah kay hukam say puranay amal tabdeel hotay rahay.aour naayai ahkamat atay rahay.aour kiay app ko yeh daff wali ahdith say pata nahin chalta kay woh kis daour kee hain.
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janab day light main nay jab bhee kaha theek kaha kay app mairee sirf un batoon ka jawab daity hain jin ka jawab app say ban pata hay . warna isi post main nay 5 sawal kiyai hain aour app nay sirf aik line code kar kay us ka jawab dainay per iktifa kiya.aour jawab bhee kiya diya. hairat hay.
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janab day light main nay jab bhee kaha theek kaha kay app mairee sirf un batoon ka jawab daity hain jin ka jawab app say ban pata hay


Main sub logon k sub sawalaat k jawabaat deta hon, aap k bhi sub sawalaat k jawab diye hain magar aap hi kanni katra jatay hain aur bajaye iskay k pichlay jawabaat par kuch kahein mazeed sawalaat poch letay hain..... lehaza jis ki aisi aadat ho behtar hota hai k uss se jitna bhi ho sakay ijtenab hi kiya jaaye....... thats why i have started ignoring ur questions as i will show how lame questions u asked here......

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warna isi post main nay 5 sawal kiyai hain aour app nay sirf aik line code kar kay us ka jawab dainay per iktifa kiya.aour jawab bhee kiya diya. hairat hay.



Aap ne kaha k duff haram hai, mene ahadith pesh kar di jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur istemaal majood hai........ uskay jawab mein aap kuch nahin farmatay balkeh mazeed 5 sawaal pooch letay hain , yani wohi typical tactics jo mene "Mullah's tactics" k naam se post mein likha tha k Mullah ki adat hoti hai k aap uss ki kisi baat ka jawab dein to uss par baat nahin karay ga balkeh mazeed sawal le aaye ga, uska jawab bhi de dein gay to mazeed sawal le aaye ga.....

Wohi aap ne kiya, aur mere ahadith pesh karne par bhi farmaya k ek bhi hadith pesh kar do jis mein duff halal sabit hoti ho, iss par mene dobara link diya k janab last page ki post 1 aur 20 mein ahadith majood hain, magar aap ne phir uss par koi comment nahin kiya aur mazeed 5 sawalaat par aa gaye.......

Aisay tactics par ab koi kya kahay........ aur mashAllah se sawal poochtay hain k aisi hadith batao jis mein sahaba ne ye ye sawal kiye hon aur Rasool(PBUH) ne ye ye jawab diye hon :d u can become a script writer, write these type of scenes for directors and producers.

Asal ye hai k aap ne fail-e-nabi se inkar kartay huay duff ko haram kaha, aur apkay paas last page par post ki gai ahadith ka koi jawab nahin hai jis mein wazeh taur par duff ka istemal kiya gaya balkeh Rasool(PBUH) ne ye bhi kaha k shadi par duff bajaya karo...... lekin apka kehna hai k nahin ye ahadith na pesh karo falan falan script k mutabik pesh karo......


Aisay logon ko yahi jawab hona chaahiye "Assalam o Alaikum".


Daylight
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janab day light main nay jab bhee kaha theek kaha kay app mairee sirf un batoon ka jawab daity hain jin ka jawab app say ban pata hay


Main sub logon k sub sawalaat k jawabaat deta hon, aap k bhi sub sawalaat k jawab diye hain magar aap hi kanni katra jatay hain aur bajaye iskay k pichlay jawabaat par kuch kahein mazeed sawalaat poch letay hain..... lehaza jis ki aisi aadat ho behtar hota hai k uss se jitna bhi ho sakay ijtenab hi kiya jaaye....... thats why i have started ignoring ur questions as i will show how lame questions u asked here......

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warna isi post main nay 5 sawal kiyai hain aour app nay sirf aik line code kar kay us ka jawab dainay per iktifa kiya.aour jawab bhee kiya diya. hairat hay.



Aap ne kaha k duff haram hai, mene ahadith pesh kar di jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur istemaal majood hai........ uskay jawab mein aap kuch nahin farmatay balkeh mazeed 5 sawaal pooch letay hain , yani wohi typical tactics jo mene "Mullah's tactics" k naam se post mein likha tha k Mullah ki adat hoti hai k aap uss ki kisi baat ka jawab dein to uss par baat nahin karay ga balkeh mazeed sawal le aaye ga, uska jawab bhi de dein gay to mazeed sawal le aaye ga.....

Wohi aap ne kiya, aur mere ahadith pesh karne par bhi farmaya k ek bhi hadith pesh kar do jis mein duff halal sabit hoti ho, iss par mene dobara link diya k janab last page ki post 1 aur 20 mein ahadith majood hain, magar aap ne phir uss par koi comment nahin kiya aur mazeed 5 sawalaat par aa gaye.......

Aisay tactics par ab koi kya kahay........ aur mashAllah se sawal poochtay hain k aisi hadith batao jis mein sahaba ne ye ye sawal kiye hon aur Rasool(PBUH) ne ye ye jawab diye hon :d u can become a script writer, write these type of scenes for directors and producers.

Asal ye hai k aap ne fail-e-nabi se inkar kartay huay duff ko haram kaha, aur apkay paas last page par post ki gai ahadith ka koi jawab nahin hai jis mein wazeh taur par duff ka istemal kiya gaya balkeh Rasool(PBUH) ne ye bhi kaha k shadi par duff bajaya karo...... lekin apka kehna hai k nahin ye ahadith na pesh karo falan falan script k mutabik pesh karo......


Aisay logon ko yahi jawab hona chaahiye "Assalam o Alaikum".


Sham_99
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Apki baat ka jawab sirf 7 lines mein majood tha, Khud gin lijiye

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"Awwal to ghaafil hona ya na hona koi mayaar hi nahin jesa k mene bataya opar walay reply mein, kyunke pig ka gosht khanay se bhi insan ghafil nahin ho jata, magar ghafil na honay k bawajood wo haram hai....Doosri baat k sharaab se Quran ne sareehan mana kiya hai....... Kisi hadith mein bhi aap nahin dikha saktay k Hazoor(PBUH) ne iska thora bouhat hi use kiya ho......... lehaza ye cheez to ho gai sareehan haram,Doosri taraf Music ko Quran ne bilkul haram nahin thehraya, aur ahadith iskay mutallik mukhtalif hain kuch mein music suna gaya aur kuch mein iss se mana kiya gaya..... lehaza music ko sharab se compare karna kis tarha sahi ho sakta hai??? Aur jo haalat nashay ya sharaab pee kar hoti hai music sun-ne e wo haalat hoti hai?? itni exaggeration bhi achi nahin hoti....."


Agar ye 7 lines parhna bhi aap par bhaari tha aur aap k nazdeek itnaaaaaaa lamba reply tha to phir behtar hai k banda chit chat forums mein hi rahay jahan ek ek line ki posts hoti hain smile.gif Herat hai k aap likhti hain k apko novels parhnay ka shauq hai yani lambaaay lambaaay novels to apko TIME WASTE nahin lagtay lekin 7 lines parhna ap ko time waste aur lambaaa reply lagta hai..... yakeenan islam section mein koi aata hai to ussay zyada parhnay k liye zehan bana kar hi ana chahiye kyunke ye baatein ek ek fiqray mein nahin hoti.... Ye hamara almiya hai k hum novels parhtay rahein, tv dekhtay hain, gupshup kartay rahein, ghanton mobile aur phone par lagay rahein, chatting kartay rahein, razaiyun mein paray sotay rahein kabhi hamein TIME WASTE honay ka khyal nahin aata lekin jesay hi islam se mutallik koi baat hoti hai to "time" yaad aa jata hai k haye itna zyada ab kon parhay wo bhi islam k baray mein!! koi gossip hoti phir bhi tha smile.gif


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jub k Soldier ka kehna bohat simple tha k "JO CHEEZ MADHOSHI PEDA KARAY WO HARAM HAY"


Kya music se madhoshi paida ho jati hai?? kya 90% loag madhoshi mein car chala rahay hotay hain ?? Kya Rasool(PBUH) ne hijrat e madina k waqt madina mein qadam rakha aur music se apka istaqbaal kiya wahan ki bachiyun ne duff baja baja kar to kya wo sub Sahaba(RA) madhoshi ki halat mein thay (nauzbillah) ?? Apko iski madhoshi ki zyada khabar hai ya Rasool(PBUH) ko ?? Jab Allah ne ye farmaya k "Kon hai jo meri halal ki hui cheezon ko haram qaraar de" to aap ka ye tarz e amal aisa hi to nahin k main to issay haram kahon gi ?? Iss tarha madhoshi paida karni ho to wo to phir bouhat c cheezon mein paida ki jaa sakti hai, iss tarha apnay zehan se baatein bana kar k falan cheez bhi madhoshi hai falan bhi aur cheezon ko haram qarar detay rehna kesa amal hai?? zara sochiye ga iss par.....
Soldier ne wakayi simple baat ki thi lekin kisi baat ka simple hona uskay sahi honay ki alamat nahin, aur apko uss simple baat ka jawab diya jata hai to wo chunke apki mann pasand ka nahin lehaza aap ye keh kar jaan chhura leti hain k ye 7 lines parhna itnaaaaa time waste kar de ga, jab k novels parhne se koi time wastage nahin hoti smile.gif




Yahi baat to mene kahi, aur iss par aap ne kaha "Allah tala aap ko apna knowledge positive sense main share karnay ki tofeeq day" lekin ab khud aap hi ye meri waali baat duhra rahi hain smile.gif

Ji bilkul novels se agar aap namaz waghera chhor deti hain aur ussi mein madhosh ya magan rehti hain to novel ka aisa use haram ho ga, iss se novel parhna bazaat e khud haraam nahin ho jaaye ga, agar main net par hi betha rahon aur koi aur kaam na karon namaz waghera bhi na parhon to mera net ka aisa istemaal karna haraam ho ga iss se net bazaat e khud haram nahin ho jaaye ga, issi tarha main agar music mein hi magan ho jata hon aur baqi aham kaam chhor deta hon to mera aisa amal haram ho ga iss se music bazaat e khud haraam nahin ho jaaye ga.....

Baat to ye bhi bouhat simple hai smile.gif isnt it ?



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plz ignore......if anything hurt u


U too, plz smile.gif


Assalam o Alaikum DL Bhai rose.gif

thanks 4 detailed clarification smile.gif pehli baat to yeh k aap nay soldier ko yeh nahin bul k cricket main dance k hawalay say kafi detailed jawab dia tha.........any way! ab aap ka reply parh ker main khud soch main par gai hoon k music haram hay ya halal?????????

aur haan main chit chat nahin karti smile.gif
Abu Adnan
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Assalam o Alaikum DL Bhai rose.gif

thanks 4 detailed clarification smile.gif pehli baat to yeh k aap nay soldier ko yeh nahin bul k cricket main dance k hawalay say kafi detailed jawab dia tha.........any way! ab aap ka reply parh ker main khud soch main par gai hoon k music haram hay ya halal????????? aur haan main chit chat nahin karti smile.gif

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Allah o Akbar!

goyaa daylight bhai aap k imaan maiN khalal Daalnay issay motazalzal karnay maiN kaamyaab hogaye. breakface1.gif Allah aap ko imaan o sehat ki salamti k saath hamesha khush rakhay. aameen
asim10
QUOTE(Sham_99 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:29 AM) [snapback]2694065[/snapback]
Assalam o Alaikum DL Bhai rose.gif

thanks 4 detailed clarification smile.gif pehli baat to yeh k aap nay soldier ko yeh nahin bul k cricket main dance k hawalay say kafi detailed jawab dia tha.........any way! ab aap ka reply parh ker main khud soch main par gai hoon k music haram hay ya halal?????????

aur haan main chit chat nahin karti smile.gif

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any way! ab aap ka reply parh ker main khud soch main par gai hoon k music haram hay ya halal

asa, aik taraf hukamay rasool saw hay music ya is say related cheezain haram hain.aour aik taraf dl kay aqaid hain . abb yeh app per hay kay app kay leyai kaoun hujjat hay ,NABI akram saw ya, dl .
waisay app ke baat parh kar yeh mehsoos ho raha hay kay app nay poree post parhee hee nahin. is post kay shoro main hee kayee ahadith dee gayee hain . plz aik dafa un koo parh lain aour phir app ke marzee jis say bhee mutasir hona chahian
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asim10
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janab day light main nay jab bhee kaha theek kaha kay app mairee sirf un batoon ka jawab daity hain jin ka jawab app say ban pata hay


Main sub logon k sub sawalaat k jawabaat deta hon, aap k bhi sub sawalaat k jawab diye hain magar aap hi kanni katra jatay hain aur bajaye iskay k pichlay jawabaat par kuch kahein mazeed sawalaat poch letay hain..... lehaza jis ki aisi aadat ho behtar hota hai k uss se jitna bhi ho sakay ijtenab hi kiya jaaye....... thats why i have started ignoring ur questions as i will show how lame questions u asked here......

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warna isi post main nay 5 sawal kiyai hain aour app nay sirf aik line code kar kay us ka jawab dainay per iktifa kiya.aour jawab bhee kiya diya. hairat hay.

Aap ne kaha k duff haram hai, mene ahadith pesh kar di jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur istemaal majood hai........ uskay jawab mein aap kuch nahin farmatay balkeh mazeed 5 sawaal pooch letay hain , yani wohi typical tactics jo mene "Mullah's tactics" k naam se post mein likha tha k Mullah ki adat hoti hai k aap uss ki kisi baat ka jawab dein to uss par baat nahin karay ga balkeh mazeed sawal le aaye ga, uska jawab bhi de dein gay to mazeed sawal le aaye ga.....

Wohi aap ne kiya, aur mere ahadith pesh karne par bhi farmaya k ek bhi hadith pesh kar do jis mein duff halal sabit hoti ho, iss par mene dobara link diya k janab last page ki post 1 aur 20 mein ahadith majood hain, magar aap ne phir uss par koi comment nahin kiya aur mazeed 5 sawalaat par aa gaye.......

Aisay tactics par ab koi kya kahay........ aur mashAllah se sawal poochtay hain k aisi hadith batao jis mein sahaba ne ye ye sawal kiye hon aur Rasool(PBUH) ne ye ye jawab diye hon u can become a script writer, write these type of scenes for directors and producers.

Asal ye hai k aap ne fail-e-nabi se inkar kartay huay duff ko haram kaha, aur apkay paas last page par post ki gai ahadith ka koi jawab nahin hai jis mein wazeh taur par duff ka istemal kiya gaya balkeh Rasool(PBUH) ne ye bhi kaha k shadi par duff bajaya karo...... lekin apka kehna hai k nahin ye ahadith na pesh karo falan falan script k mutabik pesh karo......
Aisay logon ko yahi jawab hona chaahiye "Assalam o Alaikum".

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lehaza jis ki aisi aadat ho behtar hota hai k uss se jitna bhi ho sakay ijtenab hi kiya jaaye

ejtainaab to app us din say mujh say kar rahay hain jab main nay app ko pehlee hee pst per bata diya tha kay app kin logoon kay zairay asar hain.
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Aap ne kaha k duff haram hai, mene ahadith pesh kar di jin mein wazeh taur par duff ki ijazat aur istemaal majood hai

daff ko main nay nahin NABI AKRAM saw nay haram kaha.agar app nay ahadith paish kee too un kay jawab main main nay bhee ahadith hee paish kee . app ke taraha apnee taraf say kowee bawaqoofana daleel nahin dee.kay tv chal raha hota hay aour us kay peechay music chal raha hota hay.ya main pc per baitha hoon aour mairay paoon hill rahay hotay hain . in dalail ko parh kar bacha bhee kahay gha app ka mamla MURGHAY KE AIK TANG WALA HAY.
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uskay jawab mein aap kuch nahin farmatay

SUBHAN ALLAH , ghamdi wali post parhnay ka ap kay pass shayad time na plz isi post to phir shoro say parh lain . app ko khud andaza ho jaa aiy gha.kay kaoun khamoosh rehta hay.
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jin mein duff ki wazeh ijazat majood hai

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Wohi aap ne kiya, aur mere ahadith pesh karne par bhi farmaya k ek bhi hadith pesh kar do jis mein duff halal sabit hoti ho

app plz badaam khaya karain subha uth kar takay app ko yaad rahay kay app nay kiya kiya kaha aaour kahan kahan kaha hay.yeh dono quotation app ke hain . aik ijazat ke baat hay aour dosree main sabit kee baaat hay. kiya yeh dono aik hee tarah kay mamalay hain.ijazat dainay main aour sabit honay main buhat faraq hota hay .
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Aisay tactics par ab koi kya kahay........ aur mashAllah se sawal poochtay hain k aisi hadith batao jis mein sahaba ne ye ye sawal kiye hon aur Rasool(PBUH) ne ye ye jawab diye hon  u can become a script writer, write these type of scenes for directors and producers.

yeh app ka nahin un tamam logon ka tareeqa hay jo khud say nazriyat bana laitay hain aour phir un ko sabit karnay he sar toor koshish kartay. magar hota wohee hay jo ap kay sath ho raha hay yani sawal ghandam jawab channa.
aour yehee to sub say eham sawal hay ,is zimn main kay app nay kaha kay is ke IJAZAT app saw nay dee thee,aour main nay yehee to pocha kay kis ko dee thee kab dee thee.

asim10
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Asal ye hai k aap ne fail-e-nabi se inkar kartay huay duff ko haram kaha, aur apkay paas last page par post ki gai ahadith ka koi jawab nahin hai jis mein wazeh taur par duff ka istemal kiya gaya balkeh Rasool(PBUH) ne ye bhi kaha k shadi par duff bajaya karo...... lekin apka kehna hai k nahin ye ahadith na pesh karo falan falan script k mutabik pesh karo......
Aisay logon ko yahi jawab hona chaahiye "Assalam o Alaikum".

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Asal ye hai k aap ne fail-e-nabi se inkar kartay huay duff ko haram kaha

lant ullah hai allal kazeebeen. sub say pehlay to mairee woh quotation dekhain jis main nay fail aiy nabi saw ko haram kaha hoo.
dosree baat kay daff bajana fail aiy nabi tha yeh sabit kar dain . nahin main phir say kahoon gha lanat ullah hay allal kazeebeen
asim10
yaar zara baat karnay say pehlay soch lain kay kaheen main jhoot boltay howay pakara naa ja oon.app kehtay hain

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aur apkay paas last page par post ki gai ahadith ka koi jawab nahin hai jis mein wazeh taur par duff ka istemal kiya gaya balkeh Rasool(PBUH) ne ye bhi kaha k shadi par duff bajaya karo

app last page kee baat kartay hain,day light main is baray main aik wazeh hadith ajj say kayee dinoo pehlay hee paish kar chuka hoon.ghamdi wali post main . kuch yaad aya kay nahin , agar nahin to yeh hay maira ref , ghamdi wali post main post no 44 hay .
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