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The centuries old Shia Sunni differences are the major obstacle to Muslim unity (Shia Sunni unity). The enemies of Islam to their benefit have always fanned these differences. Unfortunately, some so-called Muslim scholars on their payroll have also played a key role in keeping these differences alive.

Although I was born into a Sayyid Sunni family, I did not know of many differences while growing up as a child. Our families always respected Imam Hussain (peace be upon him) and his parents and participated in ceremonies marking the anniversary of his martyrdom (the 10th day of the month of Muharram which is called Ashura) by reciting the first chapter of the Holy Qur'an (al-Fatihah) and other chapters and verses of the Holy Quran and fasted on the ninth and tenth days of that month.

Now when I give lectures on Islam to non-Muslims, one of the questions they always ask me is if I am Shia or Sunni. I ask them if they know the difference. They have no knowledge, other than what has been given to them by the media. So they say Shias are the ones who are the bad guys, the militant version of Islam, and cause all the trouble in the Middle East these days.

These non-Muslim American audiences of mine are surprised to learn that some of the known tyrants like Saddam Hussain and troublemakers like the PLO and Hamas are all Sunni's, just as they are surprised to learn that Tariq Aziz (Former Iraq's Foreign Minister) was Christian and not a Muslim.

This is what I say to them about Shiite. "If Ali ibn Abu Talib (cousin of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) was a Shia, then I am a Shia. If he was a Sunni, then I am a Sunni [i.e., a follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)]." In Islam there are five recognized schools of Divine Law: 1) Hanafi; 2) Shafi; 3) Maliki; 4) Hambali and 5) Jafari.

The first four are called Sunni, and the fifth one, who in addition to following sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), also follows those of Ali ibn Abu Talib and consider him as the rightful successor of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), are called Shia. The first four have many major theological differences among themselves and according to a Christian friend of mine, "The only time Sunni's are united is when they are fighting Shias." Shiism started as a political movement (Shia means follower or partisan) to help Ali ibn Abu Talib become successor of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Around every successful popular figure, there are some admirers whose own future interests rest with the rise of their leader. Thus in Indiana, we have "Friends of Lugar Club", who are hoping that some day Senator Richard Lugar will become a US President. Nationally, we now have a "Hillary Rodham Clinton Fan Club" with 4,000 members! Thus, there were the Followers of Ali ibn Abu Talib Club, which later on became a political movement. During the initial battles with unbelievers, Ali ibn Abu Talib, the Sword of Islam, was in the forefront and defeated and killed many of their leaders whose children and grandchildren, even when they became Muslims, always remembered who killed their father (animosity).

Ali ibn Abu Talib was raised by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a child so he knew Islam very well. Thus, when Ali ibn Abu Talib became a judge, his judgments were based on strict Islamic principles, much to the disappointment of many who expected him to be lenient to the rich and powerful. Ali ibn Abu Talib was so well respected and trusted by both Caliph Abu Bakr and Umar, that in difficult cases they asked his opinion.

Nevertheless, I tell my non-Muslim audience that both Shia and Sunni have many things in common. They both believe in One God (Allah), follow the same Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the last Prophet, offer five daily prescribed prayers, perform the prescribed fast in the month of Ramadan, go to Makkah for the Hajj pilgrimage, read the same book of Allah, Holy Qur'an, and pay the poor-due (Zakat).

However, my answers can only satisfy my uninformed non-Muslim audience. The Sunni brothers, misguided by western propaganda, who are ready to embrace non-Muslims (especially the white ones), in the pretext of invitation to Islam, will not do so for Shia. They are ignorant Sunni's. Our job as a missionary should be to invite both groups to the true Islam and not chase them out. There is a movement in the Sunni world to have Shias labeled as disbelievers. I have been told that Shaykh Bin Baz of Saudi Arabia has declared an edict that the meat of the People of Book (Jews and Christians) is permissible for Sunni Muslims to eat but not the meat slaughtered by Shias.

There are scholars on both sides, like Imam Khomeini and Shaykh Shaltut of al-Azhar who have done their best to minimize these differences and bring unity, but it is not working due to the misinformation prevailing in the common masses of Sunnis about Shiism. Thus I am listing their misconceptions of Shia belief and practices. For answers, I have consulted two Shia scholars in America. Dr. A. S. Hashim of Washington and Imam Muhammad Ali Elahi of Detroit.

Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr wrote to me "to ignore and not waste time in responding to such wrong allegations." He also mentioned that "a great deal of money and effort is being spent in the last few years to fan the fire of hatred between Shia and Sunni in the Persian Gulf region with obvious political and economical fruits for powers to-be." However, in the interest of Islamic unity, I must deal with the questions rather than shun them. Please note that Imam Jafar as Sadiq (peace be upon him), founder of the Shia school of law, was the teacher of Imam Abu-Hanifa (peace be upon him).
  • Misconception #1: Shias have a different Holy Qur'an. They add another 10 chapters to the original Holy Qur'an.
Response: Not true. I have checked many times Holy Qur'an kept in Shia homes and mosques. I still find it the same as the original Holy Qur'an. More recently, I took care of an Iranian lady patient hospitalized here. I saw a copy of the Holy Qur'an by her side. I borrowed it from her and browsed through cover-to-cover. In Arabic it was the same as our Holy Qur'an. Of course, since I did not know the Persian language, I can't say much about the translation. It is a sin to even say that the Holy Qur'an can be changed or added to by Shia when Almighty God protects it.
  • Misconception #2: Some Shia considers Ali ibn Abu Talib as God.
Response: Not true. It is disbelief to even think of such a thing. During the time of Ali ibn Abu Talib, some pagan groups called Gholat did consider Ali ibn Abu Talib as Lord. When he found out, they were burned to death.
  • Misconception #3: Shias have different declarations of faith and they add to the call to prescribed prayer.
Response: The declaration to become a Muslim, as administered to non-Muslims, is the same. Some Shia add to themselves, "Ali ibn Abu Talib is a friend of God or Ali ibn Abu Talib is a spiritual leader of God," after the call to prescribed prayer, but not as part of the call to prescribed prayer.
  • Misconception #4: Shias do not perform Sunnah prayers. Sunnah prayers are non-obligatory prayers performed by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Response: Shias do perform non-obligatory prayers, 36 cycles per day in total, but call it Nawafil and not Sunnah.
  • Misconception #5: Some Shia believes the Angel Gabriel made a mistake and prophet hood was meant for Ali ibn Abu Talib and not Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Response: Not true. No Shia thinks of such false claims. "Only demented minds think of such questions."
  • Misconception #6: Shias slander and ridicule the first three caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman) and Prophet Muhammad's wife, Ayesha.
Response: Shia considers the first three caliphs as companions and administrators, but not spiritual leaders (Imams). Imam Jafar as Sadiq (peace be upon him), whose mother and grandmother came from the line of Abu Bakr, said of Abu Bakr, "He gave me birth twice." Ayesha is respected by Shias as the "Mother of Believers," as Ali ibn Abu Talib respected her when he sent her back from Basra to Madinah after the Battle of the Camel. If some Shia do slander the three caliphs and Ayesha, they do it out of ignorance and should ask God's forgiveness. (As we have witnessed how Imam Khomeini, The Shia bravely declared death of Salman Rushdie - The author of Satanic Verses who abused the wife of Prophet Ayesha and Shia Leader declared blasphemy, just for his Fatwa the whole western countries became against Iran. See how much price did Shia pay to defend Ayesha - while Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE etc. etc. as the Sunni government were silent they did not defend Ayesha. Now who loves Ayesha?)
  • Misconception # 7: Shias combine all five prayers into one prayer in the evening.
Response: Not true. In Shia mosques, whether in Iran or the USA, all five daily prayers are performed. Shia do combine noon and afternoon and evening and night, but Shia scholars recommend performing them separately. Such combinations may not be ideal, but better than not praying at all. How can a Sunni who does not pray at all be better than a Shia who combines prayers?
  • Misconception # 8: Shias do not pay zakat (poor-due).
Response: Not true. They not only pay 2.5% left over from savings as zakat, but also an additional 20% as Khums or general charity. However, they prefer to pay directly to the needy rather than corrupt Sunni government.
  • Misconception #9: Shias practice temporary marriages (Mutah).
Response: Temporary marriages (Mutah) was allowed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he himself practiced it. Ibn Zubayr was born out of the temporary marriage. Later on Caliph Umar prohibited it due to social reasons as the Islamic world was rapidly expanding. Shias discourage Mutah but do not consider it prohibited. Some do abuse this. As a temporary privilege during travel, it is better than adultery.
  • Misconception #10: They consider Imams infallible and above the Prophets.
Response: Not true. All prophets are born Prophet but as mentioned in the Holy Qur'an about Abraham that after passing the test, a prophet becomes a leader (Imam). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Prophet (Nabi), Messenger (Rasul) and leader (Imam). Imams are carriers of the message of Islam. Shias consider Ali ibn Abu Talib only as an Imam and not prophet. With the little knowledge I have, I tried to do my best as a Sunni in defending my Shia brothers in Islam with the hope and prayer to God Almighty that He will "instill love in the heart of the believers" and bring us closer to each other so that we jointly can fight our common enemy, Satan and his followers.

May God forgive my mistakes in this article and this book (Amin).

"Knowledge is better than wealth because it protects you while you have to guard wealth. It decreases if you keep on spending it but the more you make use of knowledge, the more it increases. What you get through wealth disappears as soon as wealth disappears but what you achieve through knowledge will remain even after you."

Courtesy: Sunni Shia Unity, A lecture By: Shaykh Ahmad Deedat

*DhanaK*
Sunshine salaams
you must read the book "then i was guided"
because when i started reading your post the first thoguht which came up was about the above mentioned book.
asim10
ASA
SUN SHINE BAHI FROM WHERE U TOOK THIS LECTURE. I AM ASKING COZ AHMAD DEDAAT KA YEH TOPIC HEE NAHIN THA.
IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT SOME SHIA WROTE THIS COLUMN AND NAMED IT IN THE NAME AHMAD DEDAT.
IS MAIN JITNAY SAWALAT KEEYAI GAYA HAIN AGAR MUJH SAY HOTAY TO MAIN APP KO IN KAY ONLINE SABOOT DAITA.
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(shafaq @ Jan 30 2008, 10:57 PM) [snapback]2694929[/snapback]
Sunshine salaams
you must read the book "then i was guided"
because when i started reading your post the first thoguht which came up was about the above mentioned book.


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Yeh book kaun se store se milay gi......Ap nay to parh li hai naa......wohi de dain.....may apse borrow kar leti hu.....Parh kar wapas kar du gi.....sachi....... icon_peace.gif

seriously, agar apnay recommend ki hai to may net par dhondogi..... 1-afsana.gif

or haanji may yeh chahti hu k hamaray dilon k faslay mit jaen....or hum musalmaan ek ho jaen....Bas is liye hi mainay yeh post ki.... duas.gif
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jan 31 2008, 12:53 AM) [snapback]2695074[/snapback]
ASA
SUN SHINE BAHI FROM WHERE U TOOK THIS LECTURE. I AM ASKING COZ AHMAD DEDAAT KA YEH TOPIC HEE NAHIN THA.
IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT SOME SHIA WROTE THIS COLUMN AND NAMED IT IN THE NAME AHMAD DEDAT.
IS MAIN JITNAY SAWALAT KEEYAI GAYA HAIN AGAR MUJH SAY HOTAY TO MAIN APP KO IN KAY ONLINE SABOOT DAITA.


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http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/shiasunniunity.asp
SuNsHiNe*
Haan ji mistake ho gaye hai....or yeh lecture to click karnay par diya gaya hai.....
asim10
BAHI YEH TO AIK SHIA WEB SITE HAY . AOUR APP ISA SAY HEE HUMAIN UN KAY AQAID BATA RAHAY HAIN.
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jan 31 2008, 01:14 AM) [snapback]2695091[/snapback]
BAHI YEH TO AIK SHIA WEB SITE HAY . AOUR APP ISA SAY HEE HUMAIN UN KAY AQAID BATA RAHAY HAIN.


Wa Allahu A'lam......Ap itnay yaqeen se kaisay keh saktay hai....

Or ye Shaykh Ahmad Deedat kaun hai?
asim10
bahi main shia ke rag rag say waqif hoon. app zara is page per ja kar ,shia ke sahaba kay mutaliq tareef hee daikh lain sirf chand sahaba ke tareef hay aour phir nichay jo sahaba kay mutaliq bayan kiya hay woh to hay hee shiaizm
asim10
QUOTE(SuNsHiNe* @ Jan 31 2008, 01:24 AM) [snapback]2695102[/snapback]
Wa Allahu A'lam......Ap itnay yaqeen se kaisay keh saktay hai....

Or ye Shaykh Ahmad Deedat kaun hai?

app nay zakir nayaik ka naam to suna ho gha. ahmad dedat in kay ustad hain aour in ka topic saree umar non muslims hee rahay , aour khas taour per christanity.
SuNsHiNe*
Shukriya guide karnay ke liye janab......

Jazak Allah
SuNsHiNe*
Agar ap bura na manay to apki tareef????? will be glad to Know about u......
asim10
main aik muslman hoon aour islam ka talib ilm hoon app saw ka umatee hoon.
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jan 31 2008, 01:58 AM) [snapback]2695127[/snapback]
main aik muslman hoon aour islam ka talib ilm hoon app saw ka umatee hoon.



Alhamdulillah.....

Ap ki taleem? Ap kiya kartay hai? Or future may kiya karnay ka irada hai.?
*DhanaK*
QUOTE(SuNsHiNe* @ Jan 30 2008, 07:32 PM) [snapback]2695110[/snapback]
Shukriya guide karnay ke liye janab......

Jazak Allah


sunshine
khud parhaein
aur khud tasalli karein,negative ya positive jo bhi
*DhanaK*
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jan 30 2008, 07:58 PM) [snapback]2695127[/snapback]
main aik muslman hoon aour islam ka talib ilm hoon app saw ka umatee hoon.


very good answer aur hona bhi kya chahiye iske alawah
musalman hain acchee baat hai lekin shiyon ka naam sunkar pareshan ho utt tay hain,to shia kya Islam ka hissa naheen? aur aap Rasool saww ke ummati hain to Rasool saww ki beti Bibi fatima and her family are they related to Rasool saww in any way according to you? and if yes then why do you hate the ppl who love them?
and by the way who gave you the right to hate them,Rasool ke ummati hain to na nafrat karein na Rasool saww bhi to kaafir budhiya ke paas mizaajpursi ko gaye? are you following his footsteps in that sense or just claim to be His ummati.


*DhanaK*
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jan 30 2008, 07:27 PM) [snapback]2695105[/snapback]
bahi main shia ke rag rag say waqif hoon. app zara is page per ja kar ,shia ke sahaba kay mutaliq tareef hee daikh lain sirf chand sahaba ke tareef hay aour phir nichay jo sahaba kay mutaliq bayan kiya hay woh to hay hee shiaizm


bahi main shia ke rag rag say waqif hoon
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Khuda shehrug se bhi qareeb aur aap shiyon ki ek hi naheen unki rug rug se waaqif,ghuroor kar rahe hain apnay ko authority bata rahe hain,kisi ko neecha dikha rahe hain aur Rasool saww ke ummati bhi hai.
tazaad!
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(shafaq @ Jan 31 2008, 02:57 AM) [snapback]2695176[/snapback]
sunshine
khud parhaein
aur khud tasalli karein,negative ya positive jo bhi


mujh se ye ghalati hui k mujhay laga woh shaykh Ahmed Deedat ka lecture hai.....Magar may apnay dil may is tarha ki nafratain nahi palti....Hum sabhi to musalmaan hai.....or koi nahi janta k woh kis burae se Allah ki pakad may ajaye......Hamay koi haqq nahi k hum khud superior samjhay or doosray musalman ko kamtar......Akhir to hum musalmaan sab bhai bhai hai...... may doosron k andar burae bhi talaash nahi karti......I believe k doosron ko kuch bura kehnay se ya point out karnay se acha hai....apnay andar ki burae ki taraf dehan de.....k hum khud kitnay buray hai.....or apnay apko acha samjhna to takabbur ki nishani hai......or Allah taala ko takabbur nahi pasand.......

or yeh jo Asim bhai is tarha k batay kar rahay hai......yeh kaun hai??????

SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(shafaq @ Jan 31 2008, 02:57 AM) [snapback]2695176[/snapback]
sunshine
khud parhaein
aur khud tasalli karein,negative ya positive jo bhi



mujhay ghalat na samjhay yeh to ghalat reference ki itttelaa denay par shukar kiya hai..... Ap khud observe karen meri baton ko....May na koi jhagray shuru karti hu.......na may kisi ka jhagrra karwana chahti hu.....Allah hi bachaye aisay kamon se.......
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(shafaq @ Jan 31 2008, 02:57 AM) [snapback]2695176[/snapback]
sunshine
khud parhaein
aur khud tasalli karein,negative ya positive jo bhi



Shafaq ji !!!!

na cherr malangan no......pai jaangay tanga nu..... icon_peace.gif
sweet_human1
Dear Sunshine...

Sallam


Good try and U presented a good topic regarding the unity of Sunni and Shias... gp.gif

But U werent supposed to just mention about the Shias...

Infact U were supposed to write the similiarities of Sunnis and Shias,furthermore, If U see, so with out any doubt Sunni and Shias or Muslims, However, they do have some differenciations that we cant ignore them and must take those in notice...

I wont like to mention those But U had a good effort...

But just to Ur thoughts & Imaginations U wanted to take others attention to the point of unity among the Shias and Sunni (Muslims).It was so nice of U...

We must respect Humanity & Humans and along with being humans then we r muslims, so the differences that we have must avoid them and ignore them...

Hope U didnt mind... frndz.gif

God bless

Noor
sweet_human1
Dear Sunshine...

Sallam


Good try and U presented a good topic regarding the unity of Sunni and Shias... gp.gif

But U werent supposed to just mention about the Shias...

Infact U were supposed to write the similiarities of Sunnis and Shias,furthermore, If U see, so with out any doubt Sunni and Shias or Muslims, However, they do have some differenciations that we cant ignore them and must take those in notice...

I wont like to mention those But U had a good effort...

But just to Ur thoughts & Imaginations U wanted to take others attention to the point of unity among the Shias and Sunni (Muslims).It was so nice of U...

We must respect Humanity & Humans and along with being humans then we r muslims, so the differences that we have must avoid them and ignore them...

Hope U didnt mind... frndz.gif

God bless

Noor
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(sweet_human1 @ Jan 31 2008, 07:10 PM) [snapback]2696233[/snapback]
Dear Sunshine...

Sallam


Good try and U presented a good topic regarding the unity of Sunni and Shias... gp.gif

But U werent supposed to just mention about the Shias...

Infact U were supposed to write the similiarities of Sunnis and Shias,furthermore, If U see, so with out any doubt Sunni and Shias or Muslims, However, they do have some differenciations that we cant ignore them and must take those in notice...

I wont like to mention those But U had a good effort...

But just to Ur thoughts & Imaginations U wanted to take others attention to the point of unity among the Shias and Sunni (Muslims).It was so nice of U...

We must respect Humanity & Humans and along with being humans then we r muslims, so the differences that we have must avoid them and ignore them...

Hope U didnt mind... frndz.gif

God bless

Noor



wasalam.gif

Thanks 4 ur advice.....That's really very thoughtful of u...... & we always learn thru our mistakes....... tomb.gif
Daylight
Main kafi pehle shia sunni topics mein hissa leta tha magar kafi arsay se issay chhor chuka,
Shia sunni unity achhi baat hai lekin chunke yahan ek ghalat baat kahi gai hai main uski nishand dahi zaroor karon ga


CODE
(Mutah) was allowed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he himself practiced it. Ibn Zubayr was born out of the temporary marriage. Later on Caliph Umar prohibited it


Totally wrong, Rasool(PBUH) never performed it, and it is not Umar(RA) who prohibited it , it is Quran who prohibited it,
Surah Al Maida ayat 5

"Iss mein nikah ka maqsad bataya gaya hai k ta k tum unkay mehar apni khana abadi k liye ada karo na k shehwat-raani k liye......."
Ab dekhiye k kya nikah e mutah khana abadi ya khandani zindagi guzarnay k liye hota hai ya shehwat rani k liye ?? yakeenan shehwat rani k liye aur ye Quran ne mana kar rakha hai aur haram hai.......

Issi tarha surah an nisa ki ayat 24 bhi mulahiza kijiye........
Gambler1
Shia sunni unity yakkii

es k leyh ek law banna chaeyh k kis bunyad pay ki jayy unity other wise .....................
SuNsHiNe*
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jan 31 2008, 08:07 PM) [snapback]2696284[/snapback]
Main kafi pehle shia sunni topics mein hissa leta tha magar kafi arsay se issay chhor chuka,
Shia sunni unity achhi baat hai lekin chunke yahan ek ghalat baat kahi gai hai main uski nishand dahi zaroor karon ga


CODE
(Mutah) was allowed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he himself practiced it. Ibn Zubayr was born out of the temporary marriage. Later on Caliph Umar prohibited it


Totally wrong, Rasool(PBUH) never performed it, and it is not Umar(RA) who prohibited it , it is Quran who prohibited it,
Surah Al Maida ayat 5

"Iss mein nikah ka maqsad bataya gaya hai k ta k tum unkay mehar apni khana abadi k liye ada karo na k shehwat-raani k liye......."
Ab dekhiye k kya nikah e mutah khana abadi ya khandani zindagi guzarnay k liye hota hai ya shehwat rani k liye ?? yakeenan shehwat rani k liye aur ye Quran ne mana kar rakha hai aur haram hai.......

Issi tarha surah an nisa ki ayat 24 bhi mulahiza kijiye........



Ao'zo billahe minash shaitanirajeem.....Allah burayon nay bachaye or noor se roshan karta rahay.....Ameen!!!
sweet_human1
QUOTE(SuNsHiNe* @ Jan 31 2008, 06:19 PM) [snapback]2696253[/snapback]
wasalam.gif

Thanks 4 ur advice.....That's really very thoughtful of u...... & we always learn thru our mistakes....... tomb.gif



My Pleasure Dear...

Yeah Ur right after mistakes and failures we have the right option and success...

God bless

Noor
asim10
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jan 31 2008, 08:07 PM) [snapback]2696284[/snapback]
Main kafi pehle shia sunni topics mein hissa leta tha magar kafi arsay se issay chhor chuka,
Shia sunni unity achhi baat hai lekin chunke yahan ek ghalat baat kahi gai hai main uski nishand dahi zaroor karon ga


CODE
(Mutah) was allowed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he himself practiced it. Ibn Zubayr was born out of the temporary marriage. Later on Caliph Umar prohibited it


Totally wrong, Rasool(PBUH) never performed it, and it is not Umar(RA) who prohibited it , it is Quran who prohibited it,
Surah Al Maida ayat 5

"Iss mein nikah ka maqsad bataya gaya hai k ta k tum unkay mehar apni khana abadi k liye ada karo na k shehwat-raani k liye......."
Ab dekhiye k kya nikah e mutah khana abadi ya khandani zindagi guzarnay k liye hota hai ya shehwat rani k liye ?? yakeenan shehwat rani k liye aur ye Quran ne mana kar rakha hai aur haram hai.......

Issi tarha surah an nisa ki ayat 24 bhi mulahiza kijiye........

ASA
Alhamdolillah kay app nay kowee too haq baat kee.ALLAH mujhay aour app ko seedhay rastay per rakhay
Gn0m3r.X
There are some problems which we can't solve & this is one of em coz the history itself is not too clear about both the communities & there are a lot of confusions & wrong conclusions also.
*RAJA*
aik sawal post shoro kanyeh walyeh say .................. agher koi aap ki walida majida ko ghali dey oss ko bazari oraat bolyeh....
oss kay sath betho gheyh?
oss kay sath itihaad karo ghyeh.........
oss kay sath rishta karo ghyeh?....
kiya salouk karo ghyeh oss kay sath?
sub say phelyh eh lay tashi kay mutalik malomaat lo un kay mutalik janoo tab koi baat karna?
BuZar
QUOTE(SuNsHiNe* @ Jan 30 2008, 12:39 AM) [snapback]2693849[/snapback]
The centuries old Shia Sunni differences are the major obstacle to Muslim unity (Shia Sunni unity). The enemies of Islam to their benefit have always fanned these differences. Unfortunately, some so-called Muslim scholars on their payroll have also played a key role in keeping these differences alive.

Although I was born into a Sayyid Sunni family, I did not know of many differences while growing up as a child. Our families always respected Imam Hussain (peace be upon him) and his parents and participated in ceremonies marking the anniversary of his martyrdom (the 10th day of the month of Muharram which is called Ashura) by reciting the first chapter of the Holy Qur'an (al-Fatihah) and other chapters and verses of the Holy Quran and fasted on the ninth and tenth days of that month.

Now when I give lectures on Islam to non-Muslims, one of the questions they always ask me is if I am Shia or Sunni. I ask them if they know the difference. They have no knowledge, other than what has been given to them by the media. So they say Shias are the ones who are the bad guys, the militant version of Islam, and cause all the trouble in the Middle East these days.

These non-Muslim American audiences of mine are surprised to learn that some of the known tyrants like Saddam Hussain and troublemakers like the PLO and Hamas are all Sunni's, just as they are surprised to learn that Tariq Aziz (Former Iraq's Foreign Minister) was Christian and not a Muslim.

This is what I say to them about Shiite. "If Ali ibn Abu Talib (cousin of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) was a Shia, then I am a Shia. If he was a Sunni, then I am a Sunni [i.e., a follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)]." In Islam there are five recognized schools of Divine Law: 1) Hanafi; 2) Shafi; 3) Maliki; 4) Hambali and 5) Jafari.

The first four are called Sunni, and the fifth one, who in addition to following sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), also follows those of Ali ibn Abu Talib and consider him as the rightful successor of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), are called Shia. The first four have many major theological differences among themselves and according to a Christian friend of mine, "The only time Sunni's are united is when they are fighting Shias." Shiism started as a political movement (Shia means follower or partisan) to help Ali ibn Abu Talib become successor of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Around every successful popular figure, there are some admirers whose own future interests rest with the rise of their leader. Thus in Indiana, we have "Friends of Lugar Club", who are hoping that some day Senator Richard Lugar will become a US President. Nationally, we now have a "Hillary Rodham Clinton Fan Club" with 4,000 members! Thus, there were the Followers of Ali ibn Abu Talib Club, which later on became a political movement. During the initial battles with unbelievers, Ali ibn Abu Talib, the Sword of Islam, was in the forefront and defeated and killed many of their leaders whose children and grandchildren, even when they became Muslims, always remembered who killed their father (animosity).

Ali ibn Abu Talib was raised by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a child so he knew Islam very well. Thus, when Ali ibn Abu Talib became a judge, his judgments were based on strict Islamic principles, much to the disappointment of many who expected him to be lenient to the rich and powerful. Ali ibn Abu Talib was so well respected and trusted by both Caliph Abu Bakr and Umar, that in difficult cases they asked his opinion.

Nevertheless, I tell my non-Muslim audience that both Shia and Sunni have many things in common. They both believe in One God (Allah), follow the same Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the last Prophet, offer five daily prescribed prayers, perform the prescribed fast in the month of Ramadan, go to Makkah for the Hajj pilgrimage, read the same book of Allah, Holy Qur'an, and pay the poor-due (Zakat).

However, my answers can only satisfy my uninformed non-Muslim audience. The Sunni brothers, misguided by western propaganda, who are ready to embrace non-Muslims (especially the white ones), in the pretext of invitation to Islam, will not do so for Shia. They are ignorant Sunni's. Our job as a missionary should be to invite both groups to the true Islam and not chase them out. There is a movement in the Sunni world to have Shias labeled as disbelievers. I have been told that Shaykh Bin Baz of Saudi Arabia has declared an edict that the meat of the People of Book (Jews and Christians) is permissible for Sunni Muslims to eat but not the meat slaughtered by Shias.

There are scholars on both sides, like Imam Khomeini and Shaykh Shaltut of al-Azhar who have done their best to minimize these differences and bring unity, but it is not working due to the misinformation prevailing in the common masses of Sunnis about Shiism. Thus I am listing their misconceptions of Shia belief and practices. For answers, I have consulted two Shia scholars in America. Dr. A. S. Hashim of Washington and Imam Muhammad Ali Elahi of Detroit.

Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr wrote to me "to ignore and not waste time in responding to such wrong allegations." He also mentioned that "a great deal of money and effort is being spent in the last few years to fan the fire of hatred between Shia and Sunni in the Persian Gulf region with obvious political and economical fruits for powers to-be." However, in the interest of Islamic unity, I must deal with the questions rather than shun them. Please note that Imam Jafar as Sadiq (peace be upon him), founder of the Shia school of law, was the teacher of Imam Abu-Hanifa (peace be upon him).
  • Misconception #1: Shias have a different Holy Qur'an. They add another 10 chapters to the original Holy Qur'an.
Response: Not true. I have checked many times Holy Qur'an kept in Shia homes and mosques. I still find it the same as the original Holy Qur'an. More recently, I took care of an Iranian lady patient hospitalized here. I saw a copy of the Holy Qur'an by her side. I borrowed it from her and browsed through cover-to-cover. In Arabic it was the same as our Holy Qur'an. Of course, since I did not know the Persian language, I can't say much about the translation. It is a sin to even say that the Holy Qur'an can be changed or added to by Shia when Almighty God protects it.
  • Misconception #2: Some Shia considers Ali ibn Abu Talib as God.
Response: Not true. It is disbelief to even think of such a thing. During the time of Ali ibn Abu Talib, some pagan groups called Gholat did consider Ali ibn Abu Talib as Lord. When he found out, they were burned to death.
  • Misconception #3: Shias have different declarations of faith and they add to the call to prescribed prayer.
Response: The declaration to become a Muslim, as administered to non-Muslims, is the same. Some Shia add to themselves, "Ali ibn Abu Talib is a friend of God or Ali ibn Abu Talib is a spiritual leader of God," after the call to prescribed prayer, but not as part of the call to prescribed prayer.
  • Misconception #4: Shias do not perform Sunnah prayers. Sunnah prayers are non-obligatory prayers performed by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Response: Shias do perform non-obligatory prayers, 36 cycles per day in total, but call it Nawafil and not Sunnah.
  • Misconception #5: Some Shia believes the Angel Gabriel made a mistake and prophet hood was meant for Ali ibn Abu Talib and not Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Response: Not true. No Shia thinks of such false claims. "Only demented minds think of such questions."
  • Misconception #6: Shias slander and ridicule the first three caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman) and Prophet Muhammad's wife, Ayesha.
Response: Shia considers the first three caliphs as companions and administrators, but not spiritual leaders (Imams). Imam Jafar as Sadiq (peace be upon him), whose mother and grandmother came from the line of Abu Bakr, said of Abu Bakr, "He gave me birth twice." Ayesha is respected by Shias as the "Mother of Believers," as Ali ibn Abu Talib respected her when he sent her back from Basra to Madinah after the Battle of the Camel. If some Shia do slander the three caliphs and Ayesha, they do it out of ignorance and should ask God's forgiveness. (As we have witnessed how Imam Khomeini, The Shia bravely declared death of Salman Rushdie - The author of Satanic Verses who abused the wife of Prophet Ayesha and Shia Leader declared blasphemy, just for his Fatwa the whole western countries became against Iran. See how much price did Shia pay to defend Ayesha - while Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE etc. etc. as the Sunni government were silent they did not defend Ayesha. Now who loves Ayesha?)
  • Misconception # 7: Shias combine all five prayers into one prayer in the evening.
Response: Not true. In Shia mosques, whether in Iran or the USA, all five daily prayers are performed. Shia do combine noon and afternoon and evening and night, but Shia scholars recommend performing them separately. Such combinations may not be ideal, but better than not praying at all. How can a Sunni who does not pray at all be better than a Shia who combines prayers?
  • Misconception # 8: Shias do not pay zakat (poor-due).
Response: Not true. They not only pay 2.5% left over from savings as zakat, but also an additional 20% as Khums or general charity. However, they prefer to pay directly to the needy rather than corrupt Sunni government.
  • Misconception #9: Shias practice temporary marriages (Mutah).
Response: Temporary marriages (Mutah) was allowed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he himself practiced it. Ibn Zubayr was born out of the temporary marriage. Later on Caliph Umar prohibited it due to social reasons as the Islamic world was rapidly expanding. Shias discourage Mutah but do not consider it prohibited. Some do abuse this. As a temporary privilege during travel, it is better than adultery.
  • Misconception #10: They consider Imams infallible and above the Prophets.
Response: Not true. All prophets are born Prophet but as mentioned in the Holy Qur'an about Abraham that after passing the test, a prophet becomes a leader (Imam). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Prophet (Nabi), Messenger (Rasul) and leader (Imam). Imams are carriers of the message of Islam. Shias consider Ali ibn Abu Talib only as an Imam and not prophet. With the little knowledge I have, I tried to do my best as a Sunni in defending my Shia brothers in Islam with the hope and prayer to God Almighty that He will "instill love in the heart of the believers" and bring us closer to each other so that we jointly can fight our common enemy, Satan and his followers.

May God forgive my mistakes in this article and this book (Amin).

"Knowledge is better than wealth because it protects you while you have to guard wealth. It decreases if you keep on spending it but the more you make use of knowledge, the more it increases. What you get through wealth disappears as soon as wealth disappears but what you achieve through knowledge will remain even after you."

Courtesy: Sunni Shia Unity, A lecture By: Shaykh Ahmad Deedat



SIS you are 100% right and posted original Lecture by AHMAD DEDAAT

here is youtube link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kzZwfIjs2mo
BuZar
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Feb 3 2008, 06:11 PM) [snapback]2701252[/snapback]
aik sawal post shoro kanyeh walyeh say .................. agher koi aap ki walida majida ko ghali dey oss ko bazari oraat bolyeh....
oss kay sath betho gheyh?
oss kay sath itihaad karo ghyeh.........
oss kay sath rishta karo ghyeh?....
kiya salouk karo ghyeh oss kay sath?
sub say phelyh eh lay tashi kay mutalik malomaat lo un kay mutalik janoo tab koi baat karna?



Meraa app say SAWAL hay k appp nay kia kaabi Kisi BAMMAL Shia say yea saab baatain aor haarkat suuni yaa dekhii hain ??

yaa phir suuni sunaai baatoon par yaqeen karliyaa ??

can you figure out how many shia's you listened saying this ???

Gambler1
Bazur yeh videos dekhyeh Shayad Imaan jagay apka ..

Jo bhi user deakhay plzz kasrat say Astaghfar parhay..


Just Click On The Link And See The SHia's KuFr

SHIA KAY KUFRIYA VIDEO SABOOT.
BISMILLAHEREHMANERAHEEEM

yaha shiao ke kufar ke video sabooot hai jo is liye me yaha de raha ho ke jo hazraat shia ko kafir nahi mantay wo khud dekh sakte hai .......kitabo ki baat alag hai lekin yaaha yee dekh kar asli chehra nazar ajaega....

1st VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJZ91W_MrYw
ALLAH KI ZAAAT KI TAUHEEN EK SHIA ZAKIR KAR RAHA HAI.

2nd VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LknHUBBCLbA
HAZRAT UMER RAZEALLAHOUNHO KI TAUHEEN AUR ISLAMI AHKAMAT KA KAZAQ.

3rd VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVIosselEc
SAHABA KARAM KI GUSTAKI AUR MUSALMANO KI GUSTAKI.
*RAJA*
QUOTE(BuZar @ Feb 5 2008, 06:55 PM) [snapback]2703825[/snapback]
Meraa app say SAWAL hay k appp nay kia kaabi Kisi BAMMAL Shia say yea saab baatain aor haarkat suuni yaa dekhii hain ??

yaa phir suuni sunaai baatoon par yaqeen karliyaa ??

can you figure out how many shia's you listened saying this ???

muhtarm........  main keh sakta houn main nay kafi batin sunani or dekhi hain.............
kal INSHALLAH Aaap  ko tafsail say   bita daoun gah........
ho sakta hai  main aap ki books kay sal page  idher post kar daoun  INSHALLAH
asim10
QUOTE(BuZar @ Feb 5 2008, 01:55 AM) [snapback]2703825[/snapback]
Meraa app say SAWAL hay k appp nay kia kaabi Kisi BAMMAL Shia say yea saab baatain aor haarkat suuni yaa dekhii hain ??

BAAMAL lol.kis baat per amal, muta per ,taqiya per ,tabbara per kis cheez per BAAMAL hain shia.aour masla to yeh hay kay app loog jab humaray samnay atay hain to buhat he naik shareef ban jatay hain magar jab apni mehfiloon main hotay hain to phir ap kay hallat daikhnay walay hotay hain.
chalain main tasleem karta hoon kay ap yeh sub kaan nahin kartay . laikin saree shia ummat jo yeh kaam kar rahee hay us kay mutaliq app kiya kahain ghay. agar poree ummat shia main say app jaisay 2 3 loog hon to aisa her jagha mumkin hay . kuch loog her ummat main apnay aqaid say ikhtilaf rakhtay hoon . magar woh ginay too usee umat main jatay hain .
BuZar
QUOTE(asim10 @ Feb 5 2008, 03:49 PM) [snapback]2704459[/snapback]
BAAMAL lol.kis baat per amal, muta per ,taqiya per ,tabbara per kis cheez per BAAMAL hain shia.aour masla to yeh hay kay app loog jab humaray samnay atay hain to buhat he naik shareef ban jatay hain magar jab apni mehfiloon main hotay hain to phir ap kay hallat daikhnay walay hotay hain.
chalain main tasleem karta hoon kay ap yeh sub kaan nahin kartay . laikin saree shia ummat jo yeh kaam kar rahee hay us kay mutaliq app kiya kahain ghay. agar poree ummat shia main say app jaisay 2 3 loog hon to aisa her jagha mumkin hay . kuch loog her ummat main apnay aqaid say ikhtilaf rakhtay hoon . magar woh ginay too usee umat main jatay hain .



appp nay naa tu kaabib shia believes ko study kia hay

aor naa hi karain gay i think.

app ussi par yaqeen kartay hain jooo brainwash kar k app k mind main daal diya gayaa hay

kia app nay IRAN, LABNAN k shiyooon par research ki hay??

yaa phir pakistan k kuch nasamaj shiyoon , aor biikaay howay zakiroon k bayaanat par poori shia sect ko yea hi label lagayeein gay

Zara aqal ka tu isstimall karain ??

issi liye main appp say i saab baatoon ka jooo app bar bar ilzaam laga rahay hain

keh raha hoon k

KISI mashoooor ALIM , AYAATUALLAH ka prove dain k unn hooon nay yea saab kaha hay.???



BuZar
QUOTE(Gambler1 @ Feb 5 2008, 05:01 AM) [snapback]2704031[/snapback]
Bazur yeh videos dekhyeh Shayad Imaan jagay apka ..

Jo bhi user deakhay plzz kasrat say Astaghfar parhay..
Just Click On The Link And See The SHia's KuFr

SHIA KAY KUFRIYA VIDEO SABOOT.
BISMILLAHEREHMANERAHEEEM

yaha shiao ke kufar ke video sabooot hai jo is liye me yaha de raha ho ke jo hazraat shia ko kafir nahi mantay wo khud dekh sakte hai .......kitabo ki baat alag hai lekin yaaha yee dekh kar asli chehra nazar ajaega....

1st VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJZ91W_MrYw
ALLAH KI ZAAAT KI TAUHEEN EK SHIA ZAKIR KAR RAHA HAI.

2nd VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LknHUBBCLbA
HAZRAT UMER RAZEALLAHOUNHO KI TAUHEEN AUR ISLAMI AHKAMAT KA KAZAQ.

3rd VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVIosselEc
SAHABA KARAM KI GUSTAKI AUR MUSALMANO KI GUSTAKI.



1st Video in not clear.
so far what i get is
as "ALI" is one of names of ALLAH (SWT)
dont say i am saying this for HAZRAT ALI (AS) we have a clear difference in our mind
that ALLAH (SWT) is creator and ALI (AS) as well as all others are created (makhlooq)
clear kia ????


2nd Video , 3rd Video
What if these Riwayaat are there in Suuni books and these
bikaay howay / trator ZAKIRs exploting these things in history ??


thats y i am asking about PROVE that
BRING VIDEO , AUDIO of ANY FAMOUS ALLAMA , AYAATULLAH for your prove.

dont bring these Zakirs anymore.

we all follow ayyatullah's , alims not these trators


BuZar
QUOTE(SuNsHiNe* @ Jan 30 2008, 11:58 PM) [snapback]2695079[/snapback]
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seriously, agar apnay recommend ki hai to may net par dhondogi..... 1-afsana.gif

or haanji may yeh chahti hu k hamaray dilon k faslay mit jaen....or hum musalmaan ek ho jaen....Bas is liye hi mainay yeh post ki.... duas.gif


SISTER here is link where you can Get this book

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http://www.al-islam.org/guided/
Khalish
Jiss din yeh post shuru hoi thi mujhe usse din se andaaza tha keh iss per kya hone waala hai.

Jo kuch ho chuka hai, zaroorat se ziyaadah hai ... let's move on to some other topic.


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