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Jo dost bhee sahaba rz say mohabat rakhtay hoon un ko to kam az kam yeh topic zaroor pasand aa aiy gha. aour jin kay dioon main buhgzay sahaba ho gha woh apnay daant hee paseejtay rahaain ghay.main ziyda tamheed bandnay ke baja aiy apna topic shoro karta hoon.

Najanay muje aisa kyun lagta hai k iss post k mandarjaat Allama Tamanna Eemadi ki kitabon se haasil kiye gaye hain jinko aap khud doosray topics mein subb-o-shitam ka nishana banatay rahay hain Challiye der aaid darust aaid......

Now i will quote some golden words from the above article























Kisi ne kya khoob kaha hai k Akhir kaar fatah such ki hoti hai aur jo loag insaaf aur such ka saath nahin detay kisi na kisi mauqay par unhein uss such ko maan-na hi parta hai WOhi kuch yahan hua hai........

Asim ne mere khilaaf beshumaar ilzamaat lagaye k daylight ne ye kaha aur wo kaha , lekin jo jo ilzam mujh par lagaye wohi kuch yahan khud pesh kar diya aur wo inn opar waalay quotes mein majood hai....... Bil-akhir fatah such ki hi hui Aur asim k mujh par ilzamaat ki haqeeqat bhi saamne aa gayi Opar jo baatein quote ki hain wohi kuch jab main kehta tha aur kehta hon to asim bhai aag bhagola ho kar kabhi muje shaitan aur kabhi munkir e hadith aur kabhi gumrah qaraar detay hain........ Aaj inko wo saray alqabaat wapis


Great post

Asa
daikhain day light main nay ap say kayee dafa kaha hay kay maira ap say kowee ikhtilaf nahin .magar jab main ap ka ahdith ko rad karnay ka tareeqa dekhta hoon to phir aag bhagoola hota hoon.
jo batain main nay kahee hain yeh maira nahin bulkay mohadathin kay aqwal hain jo app bhee paish kartay hain.magar mujh main app faraq yeh hay kay app in usooloon main aqal ko bhee lain atay hain aour main in usooloon kay ander rehtay howay hee ahadith ko parakh ta hoon.
waisay main is mazmaoon kay basic points aik arabic kitab "AL SAIF AL MASLOOL ALLA MAN SUB ASHAB ER RASOOL SAW" say leyai howa hain .aour baqi batain isi silsilay main mukhtalif kutab say akhaz shuda hain.

main khud aqal kay istaemal ka qail hoon magar deeni mamlat main nahin tareekhee mamlat main , aour tareekhi mamlat main to main aksar o baishtar aqal kee istaimal karta hon

Aap mujh se bilkul ikhtalaf rakhein muje iss se koi masla nahin, magar ilzam tarashiyun se parhez lazim hai aur sub se aham cheez k meri jis baat par aap aitraz kartay hain wohi cheez aap khud pesh farma detay hain, ya to khud bhi uss se ijtenaab karein.......

Maslan aap ne kaha k daylight ka "Sahaba(RA) se mansoob 3 karamtein" wala topic naqabil e ishaat tha...... uss mein 3 TAREEKHI waqayat bayan kiye gaye thay yani jinka zikar tarikh ki kitabon mein aya hai, mene un waqayaat ko aqal ki roo se aur phir unki asnaad k hawalay se ghalat sabit kiya,

jis par aap ne shadeed ghussay mein reply kiya aur kafi kuch sunanay k baad irshad farmaya k aisay ye waqayaat radd nahin hotay, yani jab mene 3 tareekhi waqayaat, asnaad par lambi behas aur aqli lehaz se ghalat thehraye to aap ne usko maan-ne se inkar kiya k aisay ye waqayaat radd nahin hotay aur meri post ko naqabil e ishaat qaraar dia, aur ab khud asnaad aur aqal se tarekhi waqaya ko radd kar rahay hain ???

Mera aitraz ye nahin k aap mujh se mukhtalif view point rakhtay hain, mera aitraz ye hai k jo kaam aap khud kartay hain aur usko sahi samajhtay hain to jab wohi kaam main karta hon to tab mujh par kyun charh daurtay hain ???




Bilkul pesh karta hon, lekin apko us par aitraz hota hai......... to phir ab aap khud wohi kuch kyun kar rahay hain ?? Meri wo 3 karamton wali post dekh lijiye k mene wahan muhaddiseen k hi aqwaal lagaye thay mukhtalif raaviyun k baaray mein. Wo topic aur apkay alfaaz aaj bhi online majood hain.




Good Rawayaat ya ahadith ko 2 tareekay se jaancha jata hai ek asnaad se jisko "rawayat" kehtay hain aur doosray tareekay ko kehtay hain "Darayat" yani aqli lehaz se bhi usko judge kiya jaaye......... Kya aap ne kabhi "Rawayat o Darayat" k alfaaz nahin sunay ??? Topic "Mullah Tactics mein mene Leader bhai k reply mein Shah Abdul Azeez aur Imam Ibn e Jozi k asool e hadith pesh kiye thay jin mein se ek asool aqli taur par sahi hona bhi hai........Tamam muhaddiseen ka iss asool par ittefaq hai aur agar aap akele ko muhaddiseen k iss asool se inkar hai to main kya keh sakta hon.......
Maain apko kayi misaalein de sakta hon, maslan Hazrat Abu Huraira(RA) se ek hadith hai k Rasool(PBUH) ne farmaya " Aag par paki hui cheez khanay se wuzu toot jata hai", Hazrat Abdullah ibn e Abbas(RA) ne ye sun kar fauran farmaya " Phir to garam pani peenay se wuzu toot jana chahiye"..... Yani Hazrat Abdullah Ibn e Abbas(RA) ne apni aqal se uss hadith ko fauran reject kar diya kyunke Rasool(PBUH) kuch aisa farma nahin saktay thay jo aqli lehaz se ghalat ho....... Iski ek aur misaal bhi hai k Sahi Muslim ki hadith hai k Hazoor(PBUH) ne farmaya k paani agar 2 qillay ho to wo kisi najasat k girnay se napaak nahin hota, iss hadith par Imam Abu Hanifa bolay k agar 2 qilla pani kisi matkay mein ho aur uss mein rafa haajat kar di jaye to kya wo napaak nahin ho ga ?? Main apko aisi beshumaar misaalein de sakta hon jahan fuqaha aur muhaddiseen hi nahin balkeh Sahaba(RA) bhi aqal se kaam le kar rawayaat ko ghalat thehratay thay.......Sahi bukhari ki ek hadith k shuru k alfaaz hain k "Jab mulk shaam se hazrat abu sufyan(RA) k inteqal ki khabar ayi........" jab k unka inteqal shaam mein nahin makka mein hua tha, iss par ibn e hajar asqalani likhtay hain ye raavi ka waham ho ga k shaam se khabar ayi...... Mujhe uss muhadith ka naam aur uskay banaye huay asool bata dein jis ne kaha ho k rawayaat ki janch partaal mein darayat ya aqal se kaam nahin liya jaye ga.......
Wese bhi aisa takreeban na honay k barabar hai jab mene sirf aqal se kisi rawayat ko ghalat thehraya ho aur sath mein Quran ko bataur saboot pesh na kiya ho, kyunke Quran se jo rawayat takraati ho wo naqabil e qabool hai...... zara wo hadith pin point karein jisko mene sirf aqal k lehaz se ghalat sabit kiya ho (agarchay aqal ya darayat ki roshni mein dekhna bhi muhaddiseen k asoolon mein shaamil hai) so show me if u r true !!!

Jis maslay par aap ne post ki hai kya ye deen ka maamla nahin ??? Aap ne yahan likha k agar iss maamlay mein sahi bukhari aur sahi muslim ki ahadith ko bhi radd kar diya jaye to koi muzaiqa nahin aur phir bhi ye deen ka maamla nahin ?? Aur agar ye Deen ka maamla nahin balkeh Tareekh ka maamla hai to isko Deen (Islam) k section ki bajaye Tareekh (History) k section mein post kijiye na

Aap iss topic mein likhtay hain...





Lekin topic "Sahaba(RA) se mansoob 3 karamtein" mein jab mene bilkul yahi baat ki thi k rawayaat ko Quran ki kasauti par parakhna chaahiye to aap ne iss se inkar kartay huay aur iski shadeed mukhalfat kartay huay kaha tha k Quran se saabit karo iss baat ko.......... Wahan ye baat mene kahi to aap mukhalif huay aur aaj meri hi baat jis par aap aitraz kar chukay thay yahan duhra di ???

Kya ye baat saabit nahin karti k aap jaan ka maqsad sirf mujh par tanqeed baraye tanqeed tha k bus ye baat daylight ne kahi h ai to sahi ho ya ghalat mene to iski mukhalfat hi karni hai.......


Aap iss topic mein mazeed likhtay hain k...






Topic "Mullah Tactics" ko zyada din nahin guzray, apki yaad-dasht zaroor sath de gi..... Yaad kijiye k yahi mauqaf mera aur MJB ka tha topic "Mullah Tactics" mein k sub se awwal darja Quran ka hai uskay b aad ahadith ka, tab aap ne iss baat ki shadeed mukhalfat ki thi aur munkir e hadith aur najanay kya kya alqabaat se nawaza tha aur apka mauqaf tha k nahin dono ka darja barabar hai.......... Aur aaj sirf chand din baad apko yaad agaya k nahin sahi muslim aur sahi bukhari ka darja Quran jesa nahin !!!!!! Herat dar herat hai.........

Tum chalo zameen chalay aasman chalay
Main chalon to saya bhi mera na sath de !!!

Itni na insafi ??? Itni andha dhund mukhalfat ??? Mujhse itni chirh ??? Tanqeed baraye tanqeed ki inteha ??? Jab main aisa kahon to main munkir e hadith aur gumrah aur aap aisa kaho to aap momin ???

Aur Mullah tactics mein to behas hi ye chal rahi thi k sub se pehlay Quran ka number aata hai phir baqiyun ka, uss par na sirf aitraz balkeh Admin k naam post mein aap ne kaha k wo topic naqaabil e ishaat tha.......... to aaj wohi kuch yahan kehne par apka topic kyun nahin naqabil e ishaat ????

Uskay baad Aap iss topic mein likhtay hain...







Aam taur par munkir e hadith ussay kehtay hain jo sahi bukhari ya sahi muslim ki kisi hadith par aitraaz karay, Ex-President Jamiyyat Ehl e Hadith janab Maulana Muhammad Ismail apnay risalay "jamat e islami ka nazarriya e hadith" mein farmatay hain k sahi bukhari ya sahi muslim ki kisi hadith ka inkar kufar hai "........

Aap doosron par munkir e hadith aur kufar k ilzamat lagatay nahin thaktay lekin khud jab apni baari aayi to sahi bukhari aur sahi muslim ki ahadith ko radd karne ki baat bhi kar di ?? Kya ye tareeka munkir e hadith wala nahin ?? Kya aap ko aisa kehne par munkir e hadith k laqab se na nawaza jaaye ???

Aap apnay ek topic "Istalahat e hadith" mein ahadith ki istalahaat de kar farmatay hain

" YAHAN PER AIK SAWAL PAIDA HOTA HAY KAY KIYA ITNAY MARAHAL SAY GHUZRNAY KAY BAAD BHEE KOWE SAHIH HADITH BATIL HO SAKTEE HAY."

To kya aap k nazdeek Sahi Bukhari aur Sahi Muslim mein jo ahadith majood hain wo inn marahil se nahin guzari gai ??? Dosron ko naseehat karna k "ye sochnay ka muqaam hai" aur khud uskay ulat kar dena ??? Pal mein tola pal mein maasha ??


Phir aap likhtay hain......



Ye bilkul exact word by word mere alfaaz hain k Quran aur Sahaba(RA) k khilaf kahin bhi koi bhi baat ho gi ussay reject kar diya jaye ga, aur topic "Mullah Tactics" mein mene iski ek misaal bhi di thi jis par aag bhagola ho kar aap ne "Admin k naam post" mein uss topic ko naqabil e ishaat qarar diya tha....... Jab ye baat main kahon to iss par apko aitraz aur jab aap kahein to Subhan Allah aur Masha Allah ???

yahaN par Asim bhai clean bowled ho gayay haiN

Asim bhai nay yahaN same to same wohi baateiN ki hain ...jaisa ka DL bhai apni posts mein reference pesh kartay hain
I wondered kay same to same words about the person Hisham ....jo DL nay bhi music walay topic mein pesh kiyay thay ....aur bhi who baatein jo DL nay quote ki hain ...wohi baatein DL bhai jab kehtay hain to Asim unhain samajhnay ki bajayay un ko radd kar detay hain

yahaN par aik sawal meray zehen mein paida hota hay kay jab aisay mamlat hooN samnay .....aur Quran-o-Hadis ki tashreeh mein ...ulma mein ikhtilaf paya jata ho to wahaN aik aam banda kya karay?

maslan main aik aam aadmi hooN ...koi scholar nahin.......mera DEEN ka ilm ulma ki books par ya apnay barroN say suni huwi baatoN par munhasiir hay .....main Arabic ka aalim bhi nahin hooN ....ab meray samnay mukhtalif ulma ki mukhtalif baatein jab aayein gi kisi mamlay say mutaliq......to main kaisay kisi ko radd karoN ......mera ilm to un sab say bohat kamm hay .....jaisa kay biyan kiya gaya kay Maudoodi sahab say bhi kai Ahadis ko khilaf-e-aqal kehtay huway unhain tasleem karnay say inkaar kar diya ....laikin kia main apni aqal ko wohi muqam dey sakta hooN jo kisi aalim say sari zindagi kay ilm kay baa'd diya ?

aik aam banda to itni confusing cheezein dekh kar prashan ho jata hya........us kay pass kya waja honi chahiyay kay woh kisi aalim ki baat ko maanay aur doosray ki na maanay?

Bouhat achha aur aham sawal hai k jab koi aam shakhs do ya teen mukhtalif rai sunay ya parhay to wo kis ko sahi janay...... Iss mein ye hai k sub se pehle wo do ya teeno rai dene waalon k dalaail ko ghaour se sunay/parhay uskay baad apnay dil ki sachayi k sath Allah ko hazir nazir jaan kar faisla karay k inn mein se konsi baat zyada sahi hai.....aur ye faisla karnay mein wo na to ye sochay k mera faida kis mein hai aur na hi ye sochay k mere firqay ki taleemaat iss baray mein kya hain..... sirf haq aur insaf k sath sochay aur faisla karay........Agar iss tarha sachay dil se faisla karnay par bhi uss se ghalat faisla hota hai to ye ek khata ho gi aur Allah jo dil k haal janta hai yakeenan uss khata ko maaf kar de ga...... Allah ki rehmat ki dua har waqt kartay rehna chahiye.......


Jahan tak topic ki baat hai to hamein aaj inn chakkaron mein parnay ki zarorat hi nahin hai k Ayesha(RA) sahi thi ya Ali(RA), Muaviyah(RA) sahi thay ya Ali(RA) etc etc, Hamein sub k baray husn e zann se kaam letay huay achhay khyalaat hi rakhnay chaahiye kyunke agar humne kisi k baray mein sirf tareekh ki kitabon ka bharosa kar k ghalat alfaaz kahay aur wo shakhs ghalat na hua to hamein gunah milay ga aur agar humne ussay achha jana aur wo asal mein ghalat hua to phir bhi kisi buray k mutallik husn e zan rakhna koi gunah nahin........

Wo loag guzar gaye, unhon ne to jannat mein jaga paa li, ye na ho k unko sahi aur ghalat sabit kartay kartay hum hi dozakh mein pouhanch jain........ lehaza inn masaail mein kuch nahin rakha, jo masaail hamein aam zindagi mein islam k hawalay se pesh aatay hain unhi ko madd e nazar rakhiye aur inn jhagron ko tarikh ki kitabon tak rehne dijiye........ Muaviyah(RA) aur Ali(RA) aur baqi sub azeem loag thay aur yakeenan unko hamari mudafiyat ki zaroorat nahin, unki azmat qaaim thi , hai aur rahay gi....... kisi k apni kitab mein kuch likh dene se koi faraq nahin parta........ Sub k baaray mein husn e zann rakhein aur dilon mein nafraton k beej bonay ki bajaye pyar muhabbat se rahein........

very well said!

ji iss baat par main bhi aap kay sath hooN kay humein sab ki izzat karni chahiyay kiyunke bashri kamzoryaN to insan kay sath haiN magar hum jaisoN say to woh bohat afzal hi hooN gay ...iss liyay hum dil mein bura khyal kiyun rakhein

baqi 1st para mein bhi sahi kaha aap nay...........jab mukhtalif baatein samnay hooN to kisi aik par to agree karna hoga aur apnay lihaz say jo aqal o shaoor ko behtar lag raha hoga us ko maan liya jayay ga
jahaN