what do u think about amin fahim?

aur wo aaj kal jo mulaqaatain kar raha hain uss ka picha kya asbab hain?

پیپلز پارٹی کے اندر وزارتِ عظمی کے امیدوار کی نامزدگی کا مسئلہ ڈرائنگ روموں اور میڈیا کی حدود سے نکل کر اب سڑکوں کی طرف بڑھنے لگا ہے۔

seedhi baat hai jahan tak suna hai to i dislike him.... hum jana churanay ki koshish kar rehay hain establishment say aur yahan unka fav. banda prime minister ban raha hai... yeh "soochain gay" type kay banday hain magar pakistan ko abhi "yeh karna hai" type ka banda chahiyay

so u consider him as a stablishment person. laken sawal yeh paida hoota hai ka ameen fahim sahab ko aaj tak itna moqa mila unhoon na wafa dari change nahi ki.. kahain aaj party mai unn ka saath zaidti to nahi hoo rahi, yeh bhi too hoosakta hai ka unn ko side line karna ki koosish ho rahi hoo

buhat achi baat kahi aap nay.... ho to sakta hai aisa ho... magar yeh bhi to dekhiyay keh jub tak BB theen us waqt tak jis nay party chori woh dar badar ho gaya... mushkil say hi koi bacha hai... aur jub tak woh theen agar ameen sahib chortay to kafi protest hota...magar ab jitnay bhi log hain PPP main koi itna powerfull nahi hai... magar yeh bhi dkehain keh ameen jaisa thanda banda is tarha kay bayaan kyun dainay lag gaya hai... woh jaantay hain keh unko party ka president sirf is wajah say banaya gaya tha cuz BB pakistan main nahi theen... unhoon nay kuch zayda hi serious lay liya hai apni seat ko

1. zardari family say qabl BB ka silsilah makhdoom family say chal raha thaa aur BB makhdoom family ki ho bhi jateeN agar irani nazaad shia nusrat bhutto (mother of benazir) interfere karkay BB ka 'silsilah' zardari family say nah joR deti. youN zardari makhdoom ko apna 'raqeeb' samajhtay haiN. aur raqeebay-roo-seyaah ko (apni party k) sufaid o seyaah ka maalik kaun banaanaa pasand karta hai

2. makhdoom ameen faheem aik sunni family say hai. benazir aur bhutto sunni thay.... iss seyasi family maiN aik shia nusrat bhutto enter howee aur oss nay bhutto k bachoun adha shia bana dia aur benazir ki shadi aik shia gharanay zardari say karkay amalan bhutto k seyaasi wursaa ko shia bana Dalaa..... ab zardari k liyeh yeh golden chance hai k ppp k shia lobby k zariyeh ppp / mulk ki qayadat shia lobby k hawalay karay. lehaza yaa to woh khuf PM banega yaa punjaab say kissi shia ppp leader ko banayega jaisay usuf raza geelani... ahmad mukhtara k baray maiN bhi pata chala hai k woh qaadyaani hai. aur yeh pm bhi ban sakta hai aur sadar bhi (mush k jaanya k baad) agar mush ko jaanaa hi paRgaya to woh khushi say ahmad mukhtar ko qasray sadarat soNp kar jayega. iss tarah sadarat ki kursi, ghar ki ghar maiN hi rahegi.

3. musharraf waalay ameen faheem ko pm iss liyeh dekhna chahtay haiN k iss tarah onhaiN aik 'be-zarar' pm mil jayega jo qaaf league ko bhi iqtedaar maiN accomodate karega aur mush phir say pahlay ki tarah tawanaa hojayega. mush establishment aaj bhi ameen faheem par work kar rahi hai.... ameen faheem k liyeh bhi yeh last chance hai... iss k baad iska seyasi khatema hojayega. ab dekhna yeh hai k ameen faheem zardari ko support karta hai yaa mush establishment ki madad say moqaablay par khara hokar pmship hasil karta hai....... ameen faheem k aanay say mush bhi maujood rahega aur mazboot bhi.... agar mush say har qeemat par chuTkara paanaa hai to phir zardari-nawaz alliance ko support karna hoga. iss alliance maiN nawaz to as 'sleeping partener' hi hoga. aur zardari ppp samait mulk ki baag door shia lobby k kulli hawalay kardega.

4. khufia haathouN ka "kamaal" yehi hai k seyasi besaat aisee bich gayee hai k aagay khayee hai to peechay...... jeet har soorat maiN us alliance ki hogi aur maat islam pasand mohibbay watan pakistani qaum ki..... yeh inki planning hai... magar Allah ki planning kia hai woh wohi jaanta hai. beshak Allah sab say bara aur behter planner hai
aagay aagay dekhiyeh hota hai kia

iss barey main aap zara tahqeeq ker lain,,, kion ke merey khyal ke mutabiq wo bhi shia family thi,,,, aur wikipedia main jo inn pe article hey,,, wahan pe bhi shia hi declare kya gya hua hey

benazir nay apni khud.nawisht maiN likha hai k meray papa sunni thay aur mom shia thee. aur iss qism ki shia-sunni shadiyaan (as per her statement) marriages pakistan maiN common haiN. benazir ki zardari say shadi aik allama nay 70-clifton main shia tareeqay say paRhayee thee .... jabkay oski tadfeen ... bhutto k abaayee elaqay gaRhee khuda bakhsh maiN sunni tareeqay say aik sunni molvi nay paRhayee thee as wahaaN all bhutto families related log sunni thay aur zardari wahaN par kissi shia aalim ko janazah paRhanay k liyeh call karnay ka RISK nahi lay sakta thaa.... wazah rahay k indo pak ki shia families maiN nikah o janazah kabhi sunni molvi nahi paRhatay nah hi sunni families maiN yeh kaam shia allama sar anjaam detay haiN. albattah 'mixed' families ki baat aur hai. yahaaN dounoun tarahj say kaam chalta hai. jaisa BB k case maiN howa.

wallah o alam bissawab

waisey net pe iss barey main kuch bhi clear nahin hey,,, lekin overall uskey shia honey ke ziada links miltey hain aur sunni honey ka koi nahin,,, sunni honey ka wahid source BB ki autobiographyhey,,,,, lekin mujhey achi tarah se yaad hey ke BB zardari shadi se pahley bhi Imam bargah jaya kerti thi,,, aur Zia dour main jab bhi lahore aati thi,,, tu Imam bargah main lazmi hazri dainey ke illawa mut'adid baar qyam bhi kya hey,,,, pahli jilawatni ke baad jab 1986 main jab wapis aie thi,,, tab bhi imam bargah main hi gai thi

yeah 2 links bhi daikh lain
pakistans-transition-from-shia-to-sunni-leadership
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/lofiversion/...php/t36471.html

second waley link ko thora parhna parey ga,,, aur sab iss baat pe muttafiq hain hey Bhutto aur BB ke dour main shias ko faida pohanchaya gya

Mjb bhai, aap na pehla link dia uss mai comments user ka hain kuch i gone through it there are some intresting comments, first one

"Benazir bhutto was not shiite by faith and her father z.a bhutto too was not shiite but a hanfi sunni (brailvi) even z.a bhutto’s 2nd wife was a Iranian Shiite but he was a sunni.
z.a Bhutto,shanawaz, murtaza and benazir namaz jinaza was done by a sunni brailvi mullah name mufti ibrahim iskandri and his late father who was a sunni mullah too.
If bhuttos were Shiite then sunni mullah would never have done(funaral prayer) namaz jinaza of them.
If one visit the graveyard of Bhutto family can see the names of 4 companions abu bakar,umar,usman and ali are written on the graves which is not the Shiite tradition.
During the z.a bhutto’s government a sunni hanafi(brailvi) Maulana Kausar Niazi (1934-1994) was a most powerful federal minister in Pakistan during the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s government was made minister of religious affairs not any Shiite.
If any one have any doubt about Bhutto family being a Shiite, must contact the Pakistan government officially where all the information’s about this issue can be find."

second comment from the same user is even more important

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7122701722.html

"Raleigh, N.C.: Please explain Muslim burial customs and how they relate to the funeral today. Also, what was Bhutto’s relationship to Islam? She was Sunni, right? What branch, etc.?

Syeda Abida Hussain: She was a Sunni Muslim and in the Muslim way the dead body is bathed and cleaned and wound in a white sheet and the sheet is placed in a casket which is lowered into the ground. She was buried beside her father in the family mausoleum.

Benazir, to the best of my knowledge, was a firmly believing Muslim. She was not ritualistic but she had great faith in the creator of the universe in his infinity and in his goodness and in his mercy."

bhai BB (including other bahan bhai) to bachpan hi say nusrat bhutto ka haath thaamay imaam baargaah jaati rahi haiN. mahaz zardari say shadi k baad woh shia maslak say 'affected' nahi howeeN. shia mother pahlay hi ossay musharraf bah shia karchuki thee. bhutto ko deen say koi laga'o nahi thaa. he was just a secular person. aur waisay bhi woh politics maiN etna busy thaa k ossay apnay bachouN k deen o mazhab ki chandaaN fikar nah thee. agar aisa hota to kia woh aik shia say shadi karta.

waisay jab bhutto nay nusrat say shadi ki thee to bhutto k baap sir shaahnawaz nay bhutto ko ghar say 'nikaal bahar' kia thaa magar baad maiN logoun ki modaakhlat par bhutto / bahoo ko qabool kia.... u r rite k bhutto aur BB k daur maiN shias ko bahoot faida pohanchaya gya... magar aisaa pahlay 'khatoonay awwal-nusrat' ki wajah say howaa aur BB k adwaar maiN 'mister awwal' ki wajah say ... dounouN shia thay lehaza onka kirdar fitree aur 'logically' durust thaa. also see below article in HC history section

bhutto-nusrat shadi par sir shahnawaz sakht barham howay

saima sis,,, we cant say with sertainity about Bhutto or BB,,, then how can we say about molana,,, that whether he is sunni aur shia. as it is mentioned that BB tried to portray herself sunni,,,, then its not a big deal to write the names of 4 caliphs after her claims.

this article was written during her life,,,, also in wikipedia,,, it is mentioned,,, why she or they dont any step against it ???

as far as her interaction with imam bargah is concerned,,, i know this personaly as it was close to my home

well explained saima sis

hum kah saktay haiN k khandani etbaar say bhutto 'sunni' maslak say talluq rakhta tha. aur chouNkay nasal baap say chalti hai lehaza BB bhi nasli etbaar say 'sunni' thee. albatta ab BB ki aulaad laazman shia hai k inka baap zardari shia hai..... iss osool k tehat k kissi fard ka wohi 'mazhab o maslak' hota hai jo oskay baap-dada ka ho... illa yeh k woh apnay baap-dada k mazhab/maslak choRnay ka alal elaan iqrar karay. jo nah to bhutto nay kia (nusrat say shadi k bawajood) nah BB nay kia zardari say shadi k bawajood..... waisay amalan ... qaulan o failan ... mazhab o maslak nah to bhutto k liyeh koi maani rakhta thaa nah BB k liyeh. wallah o alam bissawab

iss liyeh k maslak to darkinaar mazhab o deen bhi onki amali zindagi maiN koi maani nahi rakhta thaa. ossay iss say koi gharz nahi thee k woh muslim hai, shia hai yaa sunni.... albatta ossay iss baat ka khayaal thaa k woh pakistani awaam ko lead kar rahi hai lehaza pakistan maiN woh Dopatta-tasbeeh zaroor sambhaal.ti theeN. pakistan say bahr onka life-style kia tha, all of us know very well.

ji main ne yeah post parhi hui thi,,, aur iss main is baat ka tazkara kahin nahin ke shahnaw bhutto 1 shia se shadi ki wajah se naraz huey,,, balkey iss main yeah kaha gya hey ke choonkey bhutto phaley se shadi shuda they,,, iss liye khandani begam ke hotey huey doosri shadi pe tha (yeah aur baat hey ke khud inki doosri begam 1 hindu thi,,, jo muslim ho gai thi,,, aur unn se hi ZA Bhutto aur Mumtaz they).

sochney ki baat hey ke bhutto family waley shias main hi shadiaan kion kertey hain,,, bhutto ki bahan mumtaz ki shadi Brigadier Sahibzada Sidi Muhammad Mustafa Khan Bahadur se hui thi,,, aur unki family main bhi baqi naamoon ko chor ke 1 naam NAJAF ALI KHAN,,, clearly shia naam hey,,,, mera nahin khyal ke najaf ali khan kissi sunni ka naaam ho sakta hey

khair ab nah to bhutto hai nah benazir... albattah bhutto ki seyasi waaris BB ki aulaad / shauhar maujood hai jo 100% shia hai aur PPP k zariyeh pooray pakistan ko 'control' kar rahay haiN.... zaahir hai woh ameen fahim ko kaisay pm bandengay yaa ppp k leader banay rahnay dengay.... (asal topic ki taraf aatay howay)

lekin kya aap ke khyal main Mumtaz ki shadi bhi shia family main hona iss baat ki nishan-dahi nahin kerta ke Bhutto family shia hi hey,,, aur yeah shia family main hi shadi kertey aye hain,,,,

aur aisi soorat main ho sakta hey ke BB-Makhdoom shadi ka inkaar makhdoon family se hua ho,,, aur makhdoon family ko 1 shia bahu qabool na rahi ho

i can't confirm it bhai..... hosakta hai k aap ki baat durust ho.... albattah mash'hoor yehi hai k bhutto aur sir shahnawaz ka khandani maslak sunni thaa jinhouN nay shia gharanay maiN bhi shadiyaaN ki. 1977 ki tahreek k dauran to bhutto ka shajrah.e.nasab photostat (jo oss zamanay main pak maiN nayaa nayaa thaa) hokar khoob bika, g haaN bika thaa. jiss maiN oski hindu maaN k hawalay say issay bhi hindu qarar dia gaya thaa aur bhutto ka aik hindu naam bhi mention tha jo shayad oski maaN nay rakha ho... bhutto ko 'indian' bhi qarar dia gaya thaa k ghaleban 50s maiN bhutto nay kissi indian jayedaad k hasool k liyeh bombay high court maiN pesh hokar khud ko bharti aur iss jayedaad ka waaris kaha thaa....... ab Allah hi jaanay haqeeqat kia hai