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Abu Adnan
Q: Was Hazrat Ayesha RA a six-year-old Bride?

Ans: I have to say something before talking on the subject.

@@@ual relationship with younger or imature girl is not strange in the human history. Irrespective it is declared as legal or illegal, men of every ages had been involved in @@@ual relationship with younger girl in all nations of the world. Historical records also confirm that it is a common trends for men, specially those having wealth and power, to marry with younger and beautiful girls. Even today, in all (so called) developed countries, men are (offcourse illegally) involved having @@@ with imature girls too. Official reports confirm that today it is rare to find any 'bachelor girl' in the secondary classes of usa schools. Isn't mean that @@@ with younger girls are common even now a days?

Islam doesn't believe on hypocrisy or double standard. That's why Islam allow men to marry (i.e. only a 'legal-@@@ual relationship') all ages of girls. Marriage, in islam, is a social contract between a male and female in the presence of at least two adult men as witness. For marriage in islam, it is compulsory that 1) both male and female are willingly agreed 2) father or legal patron of female is agreed too. 3) If girl is too younger /immature, willing of her father / patron alone is enough 4) similarly if female is re-marrying (in case of widow or dovorced lady) her alone will is enough 4) At least two respectable muslim adult men are agreed to witness that marriage 5) male agree to pay such marrige-gift (called mahar) which is acceptable to female.

Every one can see that in islam, though it is allowed to marry with younger girl, but Almighty God has put several conditions, and without fulfiling these condition no man can marry any younger girl. And marriage in islam is always take place in open meeting. If parents dont want to marry their younger girls, no one can force them to do so. But if they agree, no one is allowed to interfere into the marriage of a younger girl even with a aged man.

Now let's see the permission of Almighty Allah (God), allowing such marriages. Quran clearly says.

1. O you who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them before you have @@@ual intercourse with them, no iddah (divorce prescribed period) have you to count in respect of them. So give them a present, and set them free (i.e. divorce), in a handsome manner. (Al-Ahzab-49)

2. And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed periods), if you have doubt (about their period), is three months, and for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they laydown their burden, and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him. (Talaq-4)

In second verse Allah mentions 'iddah periods' for divorce is three months for such girl who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). And in first verse, Allah says that there is no 'iddah periods' if you divorce without @@@ual intercourse. It means that a man can have @@@ual intercourse with his younger or immature wife.

Now let's see the marriage case of Muhammad (peace be upon him) with hazrat Ayesha RA. Though it is not confirmed that her age at the time of marriage (rukhsati) was just six. some also says that she was nine or 11 at that time. But for the sake of argument, we agree that her age was six. Then what is wrong with it. Quran allows such marriage. Hazrat Abu bakar siddiq RA willingly married his daughter Ayesha RA with his friend and prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This marriage was took place openly and no one opposed it. Was it a illegal or unethical act by any means? This is another story that why Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) decided to marry with younger Ayesha RA. Our Prophet knew that he was not only sent towards men but towards women too. Being a men, HE (pbuh) can not easily convey Almighty God's message to women community. And HE (pbuh) also knew that after His death, only younger hazrat Ayesha RA can convey islam's message to women community for a longer period. That's why HE (pbuh) decided to have a younger wife. Other wise at the young age of 25 our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) chose a widfow of 40 years (hazrat Khadeejah tul kubraa RA) to marry. Muhammad (pbuh) was a man of character in that corrupted society. And this was witnessed by His several enemies as well.

We muslim should not feel guilty for any act of our prophet (peace be upon him). He is a role model of all muslim ummat. We should proud the sunnah life style.


[PS: Above question was replied by me at another forum]
Khalish
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Now let's see the marriage case of Muhammad (peace be upon him) with hazrat Ayesha RA. Though it is not confirmed that her age at the time of marriage (rukhsati) was just six. some also says that she was nine or 11 at that time. But for the sake of argument, we agree that her age was six. Then what is wrong with it. Quran allows such marriage. Hazrat Abu bakar siddiq RA willingly married his daughter Ayesha RA with his friend and prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This marriage was took place openly and no one opposed it. Was it a illegal or unethical act by any means? This is another story that why Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) decided to marry with younger Ayesha RA. Our Prophet knew that he was not only sent towards men but towards women too. Being a men, HE (pbuh) can not easily convey Almighty God's message to women community. And HE (pbuh) also knew that after His death, only younger hazrat Ayesha RA can convey islam's message to women community for a longer period. That's why HE (pbuh) decided to have a younger wife. Other wise at the young age of 25 our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) chose a widfow of 40 years (hazrat Khadeejah tul kubraa RA) to marry. Muhammad (pbuh) was a man of character in that corrupted society. And this was witnessed by His several enemies as well.

We muslim should not feel guilty for any act of our prophet (peace be upon him). He is a role model of all muslim ummat. We should proud the sunnah life style.


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Glalat baat for the 'sake of argument' kis tarah discuss ki jaa sakti hai aur usske haq meiN dalaail kaise paish kiye jaa sakte haiN?
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(Khalish @ Mar 31 2008, 10:06 AM) [snapback]2798675[/snapback]
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Glalat baat for the 'sake of argument' kis tarah discuss ki jaa sakti hai aur usske haq meiN dalaail kaise paish kiye jaa sakte haiN?


yeh Dr. zakir Naik ko copy kia hai maiN nay.... jab koi fard apnay 'maf.roozay' par bazidd ho to ossay 'dalail' k zariyeh 'satisfy' karneka yeh aik andaaz hai. bilkhasoos agar madday moqaabil islam ka 'naaqid' ho...... waisay aap ki baat bhi bahar.haal wazni hai. ab maiN yaa to aapki baat par amal karoun ya dr sb ki.... bayak waqt dounouN ki baat par kaisay amal karouN. icon_peace.gif
tihami
was it 6 or 9 ---- what I have read is that her age was 9 ./
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(tihami @ Mar 31 2008, 04:28 PM) [snapback]2799157[/snapback]
was it 6 or 9 ---- what I have read is that her age was 9 ./


actually sawaal aik non-muslim ka tha k: Q: Was Hazrat Ayesha RA a six-year-old Bride?

rewayatouN maiN mukhtalif age likhe howee miltee hai.... kuch ka kahna hai k nikaah 6 yrs maiN howa thaa aur rukhsati 9 main jabkay baaz rewayat maiN rukhsati 11 yrs main bhi likhee howee milti hai. iss liyeh six aur nine dounouN mash'hoor haiN.

by da way sab say kam omer mother ka record kia hai. mujhay yaad parta hai k (ghaleban) 80s maiN shayad china maiN 8yrs old girl mother bani thee. jang karachi maiN news bhi aayee thee k new born baby ki dekh bhal oski grandmother kar rahi hai k mother khud khail kood maiN rahti hai. medical science maiN sab say kamsin mother ki age kia milti hai. any idea?
tihami
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Mar 31 2008, 12:44 PM) [snapback]2799172[/snapback]
actually sawaal aik non-muslim ka tha k: Q: Was Hazrat Ayesha RA a six-year-old Bride?

rewayatouN maiN mukhtalif age likhe howee miltee hai.... kuch ka kahna hai k nikaah 6 yrs maiN howa thaa aur rukhsati 9 main jabkay baaz rewayat maiN rukhsati 11 yrs main bhi likhee howee milti hai. iss liyeh six aur nine dounouN mash'hoor haiN.

by da way sab say kam omer mother ka record kia hai. mujhay yaad parta hai k (ghaleban) 80s maiN shayad china maiN 8yrs old girl mother bani thee. jang karachi maiN news bhi aayee thee k new born baby ki dekh bhal oski grandmother kar rahi hai k mother khud khail kood maiN rahti hai. medical science maiN sab say kamsin mother ki age kia milti hai. any idea?



1939: Lina Medina of Paurange, Peru gave birth to a 2.7 kg son (5.9 lb), Gerardo, by caesarean section on May 14, 1939 in Lima at the age of 5 years, 7 months and 21 days. Her parents, who assumed their daughter had a tumor, took her to a hospital, where she was determined to be seven months pregnant.
Forever Green
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Mar 31 2008, 04:44 AM) [snapback]2799172[/snapback]
actually sawaal aik non-muslim ka tha k: Q: Was Hazrat Ayesha RA a six-year-old Bride?

rewayatouN maiN mukhtalif age likhe howee miltee hai.... kuch ka kahna hai k nikaah 6 yrs maiN howa thaa aur rukhsati 9 main jabkay baaz rewayat maiN rukhsati 11 yrs main bhi likhee howee milti hai. iss liyeh six aur nine dounouN mash'hoor haiN.

by da way sab say kam omer mother ka record kia hai. mujhay yaad parta hai k (ghaleban) 80s maiN shayad china maiN 8yrs old girl mother bani thee. jang karachi maiN news bhi aayee thee k new born baby ki dekh bhal oski grandmother kar rahi hai k mother khud khail kood maiN rahti hai. medical science maiN sab say kamsin mother ki age kia milti hai. any idea?



Salaam Bhai...

At once ...i was very confused about dis issue and wanted to clear ma mind... i read too many books for dat (sorry dont remember references at dis time) and it was confirmed dat Nikah held wen She was only Six, n den waited for her Islamic maturity age for Rukhsati which was 9.
saima56
QUOTE(Forever Green @ Mar 31 2008, 09:09 PM) [snapback]2799409[/snapback]

Salaam Bhai...

At once ...i was very confused about dis issue and wanted to clear ma mind... i read too many books for dat (sorry dont remember references at dis time) and it was confirmed dat Nikah held wen She was only Six, n den waited for her Islamic maturity age for Rukhsati which was 9.


u r right here is the reference.

Forever Green
QUOTE(saima56 @ Mar 31 2008, 11:15 AM) [snapback]2799507[/snapback]
u r right here is the reference.




Thank u Sis....JazakAllah
IrrAtionaL MethanE
know what. it's excellent sharing. I had the vdo of Dr.Zakir nayek about this issue and now you copied the text and shared it with us .. it's really excellent sharing for all those who were confused about this issue.
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(tihami @ Mar 31 2008, 05:03 PM) [snapback]2799190[/snapback]
1939: Lina Medina of Paurange, Peru gave birth to a 2.7 kg son (5.9 lb), Gerardo, by caesarean section on May 14, 1939 in Lima at the age of 5 years, 7 months and 21 days. Her parents, who assumed their daughter had a tumor, took her to a hospital, where she was determined to be seven months pregnant.


thanks bhai. iska matlab hai k islam deenay fitrat hai. jiss nay laRki ki shadi ki koi fix age moqar.rar nahi ki. aur choTi baRi har omar maiN shadi ko allow kia hai. aur issay kulyatan parents par choR dia hai k woh jab chahaiN apni beTiyouN ki shadi kar saktay haiN albatta balooGhat ki age ko pahochnay k baad jald shadi ki talqeen /hadayat zaroor ki hai.
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(IrrAtionaL MethanE @ Apr 1 2008, 02:23 AM) [snapback]2799773[/snapback]
know what. it's excellent sharing. I had the vdo of Dr.Zakir nayek about this issue and now you copied the text and shared it with us .. it's really excellent sharing for all those who were confused about this issue.


meri reply ka asal maqsad to non-muslims k on ilzaamaat ka jawaab dena tha jo woh hamaray piyaray Nabi saw ki hazrat Ayesha RA ki shadi par kartay haiN. zimnan muslims par bhi yeh wazah karna thaa k kamsin laRki ki 'shadi' (legal or illegal) dunya k har qaum maiN aur har ahad maiN raaij rahi hai aur as tihami bhai mentioned in his reply... dunya ki sab say kamsin mother aik non-muslim hai jo pooray 6 years ki bhi nah thee. aur aghlab imkaan yehi hai k oski 'shadi' illegal hi howi hogi.

islam nay issay (kamsin gals ki marriage) ko 'legal' qarar detay howay iskay wazah sharait moqar.rar kiyeh haiN. jinko follow kartay howay koi kissi laRki par 'zulm' nahi karsakta. oss say zabardasti 'shadi' nahi karsakta. yaani (if she is adult) laRki ki azaadanah marzi + laRki k wali ki azaadanah marzi + kam az kam 2 aadil baaligh muslim mard ki iss shadi k liyeh gawahi ki razamandi + mahar ki offered raqam par laRki aur oskay parents ki razamandi= yeh sab kuch mumkin ho tab hi kisi muslim laRki ki islam maiN shadi qanoonan jaiz hosakti hai. in sab bunyaadi sharait k saath shadi maiN agar kissi wajah say mard ki age zeyadah hai aur mutalleqah fareeqain ko (kissi bhi wajah say) iss par etraaz nahi to society /state ko iss par etraaz ka koi haq nahi.
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(saima56 @ Mar 31 2008, 11:15 PM) [snapback]2799507[/snapback]
u r right here is the reference.



hadees bamah sanad pesh karneka shukarya. aap ki reply say post ki ahmiat mustanad hogayee. jazak Allah.
Sham_99
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Apr 1 2008, 03:04 AM) [snapback]2799899[/snapback]
meri reply ka asal maqsad to non-muslims k on ilzaamaat ka jawaab dena tha jo woh hamaray piyaray Nabi saw ki hazrat Ayesha RA ki shadi par kartay haiN. zimnan muslims par bhi yeh wazah karna thaa k kamsin laRki ki 'shadi' (legal or illegal) dunya k har qaum maiN aur har ahad maiN raaij rahi hai aur as tihami bhai mentioned in his reply... dunya ki sab say kamsin mother aik non-muslim hai jo pooray 6 years ki bhi nah thee. aur aghlab imkaan yehi hai k oski 'shadi' illegal hi howi hogi.

islam nay issay (kamsin gals ki marriage) ko 'legal' qarar detay howay iskay wazah sharait moqar.rar kiyeh haiN. jinko follow kartay howay koi kissi laRki par 'zulm' nahi karsakta. oss say zabardasti 'shadi' nahi karsakta. yaani (if she is adult) laRki ki azaadanah marzi + laRki k wali ki azaadanah marzi + kam az kam 2 aadil baaligh muslim mard ki iss shadi k liyeh gawahi ki razamandi + mahar ki offered raqam par laRki aur oskay parents ki razamandi= yeh sab kuch mumkin ho tab hi kisi muslim laRki ki islam maiN shadi qanoonan jaiz hosakti hai. in sab bunyaadi sharait k saath shadi maiN agar kissi wajah say mard ki age zeyadah hai aur mutalleqah fareeqain ko (kissi bhi wajah say) iss par etraaz nahi to society /state ko iss par etraaz ka koi haq nahi.


EXACTLY gud.gif adnan bhai aap nay bilkul theek kaha........actually yeh rang ba-rangi NGO's ko Pakistan say nikal dia jaye 1-history.gif to bohat sakoon ho jaye hamaray mulk main duas.gif
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(Sham_99 @ Apr 1 2008, 09:33 AM) [snapback]2800034[/snapback]
EXACTLY gud.gif adnan bhai aap nay bilkul theek kaha........actually yeh rang ba-rangi NGO's ko Pakistan say nikal dia jaye 1-history.gif to bohat sakoon ho jaye hamaray mulk main duas.gif


yeh NGOs to shaitaan k nomainday haiN jo hamaray imaan k imtehaan k liyeh banayee jaati haiN. ab shaitan yaa onkay nomaaindouN ko bay.dakhal to kia nahi jasakta. bus onki chaaloun say aagahi rakhtay howay onkay bichaye howay jaal say bachtay rahna hi kaamyaabi ki kunji hai. Allah hum sab ko shitani phandoun say mahfooz rakhay aur den ka sahi ilm ata karay. aamen.
Sham_99
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Apr 1 2008, 05:33 AM) [snapback]2800075[/snapback]
yeh NGOs to shaitaan k nomainday haiN jo hamaray imaan k imtehaan k liyeh banayee jaati haiN. ab shaitan yaa onkay nomaaindouN ko bay.dakhal to kia nahi jasakta. bus onki chaaloun say aagahi rakhtay howay onkay bichaye howay jaal say bachtay rahna hi kaamyaabi ki kunji hai. Allah hum sab ko shitani phandoun say mahfooz rakhay aur den ka sahi ilm ata karay. aamen.


sum ameen duas.gif
Gambler1
asim10
asa
yeh aik bara he purana aitraz hay jo aksar ghair muslimoon ke taraf say hum per hota rehta hay aour hum sir dhar ke bazi laga daitay hain is kee tojeeh paish karnay kay leyai.halankay masalla yeh hay kay syda aisha ke umar bawaktay nikah 16 say ya is say kuch ziyda thee . aour is kay intehayee mazboot dalail mojood hain. laikin chonkay yeh riwyat bukhari main aa chukee hay is leyai hum isay na chahtay howay bhee qbool kartay hain. agar kisi nay hakeem niyaz alim ke kitab parhee ho is mamlay main to us main saaf taur per dalail say yeh sabit kiya gaiya hay kay app rz ke umar bawaqatay nikah 16 say ziyda the.
mera yeh dawa hay kay agar app ke umar us waqat 6 thee to jo loog ajj humain is baat ka tanna daitay hain woh lazim tha kay us waqat bhee yehe tana daitay ,laikin app ko un kuffa ke taraf say her qisam ka aitraz milta hay yeh aitraz nahin milta.yeh swal ajj uthaya jata hay .jis ka wazeh matalb yehee hay kay app rz ke umar waqatay nikah 6 nahin 16 thee.warana yahood us waqat bhee muslamanoon ko yeh aitraz kar kay jeenay na daitay.
*RAJA*
abu adnan bhai yeh eysa sawal hai...................
jis ko ghair mazhab bohat ochalteh hain(aapni kam ilmi ki waja say)
agher koi eysai  sawal kareh tu oss say bolain baible main kiay mana hai iss omer main shadi karna?
oss say yeh pochain hazraat maryam as ki omer kiya thi shadi kay time?
koi la deen pochyeh tu... oss say since  ka saboot maanghain keh eysa karna theaq nehi
hindo etc  nehi poch sakteh  wu tu aab tak eysa kar rheyh hain
har ilaqayeh ki  Aab ho hawa eysi hoti hai jis main larkiyan jald jiwan ho jati hain kehain baad main
aaj kal uk europ main pehyeh number par hai...
bekh bbc ki aik raport bitati hai.... keh aab tu 10/11 saal ki bachain bhi   balgh ho rehi hain europ main
mera iin sawaloun say taqriban roz wasta parta hai
or baat  aajat hai keh 53 saal ka old banda 11 saal ki larki say shadi  kesyeh kar sakta hai?
aap yaqaeen janin mera kafi new muslim italin say rabta hai  wu bikul iss baat ko bora nehi samjteh
(zahir hai ounhoun nay mutala kar kay islam qabool kiya tha)
na keh meri tara pedaishi musalman 1-baatcheet.gif
asal main kafroun ko or koch nehi milta  islam kay mutaliq tu yeh sawal kar deth hain
main INSHALALH aap ki link daoun gha jis main hazraat maryam as ki omer bitai ghai thi shadi kay time
khod  pak o hind main 50 saal phleyh bohat kam omri main shadi kar di jati thi
or aaj banda  bijli ko tars raha hai shadi kidher kareh poster_oops.gif
ya youn keh lain na 9 maan  oil ho gha  na radha nachyeh ghi(daounon qasoor war hain)
*RAJA*
QUOTE(Sham_99 @ Apr 2 2008, 03:33 AM) [snapback]2800034[/snapback]
EXACTLY gud.gif adnan bhai aap nay bilkul theek kaha........actually yeh rang ba-rangi NGO's ko Pakistan say nikal dia jaye 1-history.gif to bohat sakoon ho jaye hamaray mulk main duas.gif

mulk say niklna hamri zimndari tu nehi  na awam itni himaat pateh hain
yeh kar sakteh hain aapnyeh mohlyeh gher etc main  iin ko ghusanyeh na diya jayeh
gov aapni zimedari  nehbati hai ya nehi aawam tu aapni jagh ju kar sakti hai wu kareh
Abu Adnan
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Apr 2 2008, 03:38 PM) [snapback]2802520[/snapback]
abu adnan bhai yeh eysa sawal hai...................
jis ko ghair mazhab bohat ochalteh hain(aapni kam ilmi ki waja say)
agher koi eysai  sawal kareh tu oss say bolain baible main kiay mana hai iss omer main shadi karna?
oss say yeh pochain hazraat maryam as ki omer kiya thi shadi kay time?
koi la deen pochyeh tu... oss say since  ka saboot maanghain keh eysa karna theaq nehi
hindo etc  nehi poch sakteh  wu tu aab tak eysa kar rheyh hain
har ilaqayeh ki  Aab ho hawa eysi hoti hai jis main larkiyan jald jiwan ho jati hain kehain baad main
aaj kal uk europ main pehyeh number par hai...
bekh bbc ki aik raport bitati hai.... keh aab tu 10/11 saal ki bachain bhi   balgh ho rehi hain europ main
mera iin sawaloun say taqriban roz wasta parta hai
or baat  aajat hai keh 53 saal ka old banda 11 saal ki larki say shadi  kesyeh kar sakta hai?
aap yaqaeen janin mera kafi new muslim italin say rabta hai  wu bikul iss baat ko bora nehi samjteh
(zahir hai ounhoun nay mutala kar kay islam qabool kiya tha)
na keh meri tara pedaishi musalman 1-baatcheet.gif
asal main kafroun ko or koch nehi milta  islam kay mutaliq tu yeh sawal kar deth hain
main INSHALALH aap ki link daoun gha jis main hazraat maryam as ki omer bitai ghai thi shadi kay time
khod  pak o hind main 50 saal phleyh bohat kam omri main shadi kar di jati thi
or aaj banda  bijli ko tars raha hai shadi kidher kareh poster_oops.gif
ya youn keh lain na 9 maan  oil ho gha  na radha nachyeh ghi(daounon qasoor war hain)


well said ... jaisay sawaal karnay wala ho, waisa hi ossay jawaab dia jasakta hai. thanx a lot
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