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1st April - a day when people lie, play jokes and mock in the name of entertainment. This ugly practice of lying, which is considered to be merely a humor, is known to have caused great harm to many. Even trauma and deaths. Still this dishonest tradition is not only practiced among the common masses, but also newspapers and magazines participate in it by publishing false news and untrue stories on the first day of April!
Much is said about the origin of this practice, however what concerns the most to the Muslims is that it is a tradition which directly contradicts the teachings and morals of Islam.
Lying is a characteristic of hypocrisy and Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) strictly forbade lying at all times. He (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: "Let he who truly believes in Allah and the Last Day speak good or be silent." [Saheeh al-Bukharee] Moreover, he (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) has specifically cursed the person who lies to make people laugh, he said: "Woe be on one who speaks and lies in order to make people laugh, woe be on him." [Abu Dawood]
The above Ahaadeeth show the gravity of participating in the false tradition of April Fool, which the Western tradition appreciates and encourages claiming that it brings joy and amusement, whereas the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) forbade lying and deceiving even if the intention of the person is to amuse people.
Abd al-Rahman Ibn Abi Laylaa said: "The companions of the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) told us that they were traveling with the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam). A man among them fell asleep and some of them went and took his arrows. When the man woke up, he got alarmed (because his arrows were missing) and the people laughed. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: "What are you laughing at?" They said, "Nothing, except that we took the arrows and he got alarmed." The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: "It is not permissible for a Muslim to frighten another Muslim." [Abu Dawood (5004) and Musnad Ahmad.]
He (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) described the severe punishments for the liars and said: "I saw (in a dream), two men came to me. They said, 'The person, the one whose cheek you saw being torn away (from the mouth to the ear) was a liar and used to tell lies and the people would report those lies on his authority till they spread all over the world. So he will be punished like that till the Day of Resurrection.'" [Saheeh al-Bukharee (vol. 8, no: 118)]
May Allah protect us from indulging ourselves in such dishonest activities and may He give us the strength to withstand such practices when they tend to infect our Muslim Society. Ameen!
Much is said about the origin of this practice, however what concerns the most to the Muslims is that it is a tradition which directly contradicts the teachings and morals of Islam.
Lying is a characteristic of hypocrisy and Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) strictly forbade lying at all times. He (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: "Let he who truly believes in Allah and the Last Day speak good or be silent." [Saheeh al-Bukharee] Moreover, he (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) has specifically cursed the person who lies to make people laugh, he said: "Woe be on one who speaks and lies in order to make people laugh, woe be on him." [Abu Dawood]
The above Ahaadeeth show the gravity of participating in the false tradition of April Fool, which the Western tradition appreciates and encourages claiming that it brings joy and amusement, whereas the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) forbade lying and deceiving even if the intention of the person is to amuse people.
Abd al-Rahman Ibn Abi Laylaa said: "The companions of the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) told us that they were traveling with the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam). A man among them fell asleep and some of them went and took his arrows. When the man woke up, he got alarmed (because his arrows were missing) and the people laughed. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: "What are you laughing at?" They said, "Nothing, except that we took the arrows and he got alarmed." The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: "It is not permissible for a Muslim to frighten another Muslim." [Abu Dawood (5004) and Musnad Ahmad.]
He (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) described the severe punishments for the liars and said: "I saw (in a dream), two men came to me. They said, 'The person, the one whose cheek you saw being torn away (from the mouth to the ear) was a liar and used to tell lies and the people would report those lies on his authority till they spread all over the world. So he will be punished like that till the Day of Resurrection.'" [Saheeh al-Bukharee (vol. 8, no: 118)]
May Allah protect us from indulging ourselves in such dishonest activities and may He give us the strength to withstand such practices when they tend to infect our Muslim Society. Ameen!
thanks Diy@ and abu adnan
thanx.............nice sharing 
(mary pass kuch ye story ha)
April Fool , Christistas ka Tehwar hai jo k 1st April ko manaya jata hai , Spain me 1000 Muslim scholars ko 1st april ko fool banaya tha , Ghernataq( spain ) me un say kaha gia k unhain samandar par ek aisi jagah bheja ja raha jaha wo apni reserach complete k lingy or phr mar dia gia ...isi khushi me april fool manaya jata ai , wo muslims ko fool smjhtay hain ...pls fwd this App apna mazaq khud mat urao
April Fool , Christistas ka Tehwar hai jo k 1st April ko manaya jata hai , Spain me 1000 Muslim scholars ko 1st april ko fool banaya tha , Ghernataq( spain ) me un say kaha gia k unhain samandar par ek aisi jagah bheja ja raha jaha wo apni reserach complete k lingy or phr mar dia gia ...isi khushi me april fool manaya jata ai , wo muslims ko fool smjhtay hain ...pls fwd this App apna mazaq khud mat urao
Mein sooch bhi nahi sakti thi ke is din ke peeche itni afsoosnaak history hogi... Thank u so much Bhai ke aap ne meri tarha bahot se anjaan Muslims ki help ki aur unko is din ki asal history ke bare mein bataya...
Dil se dua nikal rahi hay aap keliye ...Bahot shukrya Bhai hamesha khush rehye
Dil se dua nikal rahi hay aap keliye ...Bahot shukrya Bhai hamesha khush rehye
MJB bhai if u view this post do u have any historical background ?
i have something lets read.
As April draws near, non believers around the globe celebrate a holiday on the first of the month known as April Fool’s Day. The traditional practice of this day is to play some sort of practical joke on someone and make him the “April Fool”.
Pranks performed on this day range form the simple, (such as saying, “your shoes are untied!”) to the elaborate. Whatever the prank, the trickster usually ends it by yelling to his victim, “April fool!”
The history of April Fool’s Day is not totally clear. No exact date can be found pinpointing the first official celebration of the holiday. There are, however, many narrations regarding the reason the tradition is practiced. One narration states that it is a day the Spanish celebrate in remembrance of the day that they defeated the Muslims and swept them from power in lower Spain. According to this narration, the Christian army could not conquer the Muslims there and sent spies to discover why. They discovered that the Muslims were strong on faith and obedient to Allah. The tradition goes on saying that the Christians sent in alcohol and tobacco, which the Muslims used and became the means in which they lost their obedience to Allah. Then the Christian army invaded lower Spain and conquered the Muslims on the first of April and began celebrating April Fool’s Day ever since. As this story has been circulating between our Muslim brothers strengthening their beliefs about the history of this day I deemed it appropriate to clarify a few points about the history of April Fool’s Day. The truth of the matter is that this story is not true in many aspects.
First, let us confirm the historic fact that Muslim rule in Spain ended on the 12th of January in the Christian year of 1492 A.D. April Fool’s Day was not heard of until over sixty years later. The most authentic reports according to Christian historical books such as Encyclopedia Britannica as well as many others trace the roots of the holiday back to 16th century France. Prior to the year 1582, the new year was celebrated for eight days, starting with the 25th of March. The celebration culminated on April 1st. With the reform of the Christian calendar under King Charles IX, through the influence of Pope Gregory, the Gregorian calendar was introduced, and New Years Day was moved to the first of January. However, due to lack of communications in those days, many people did not receive the news for several years. Others, the most obstinate crowd, refused to accept the new calendar and continued to celebrate the New Year on April 1. These backward people were classified as “fool” by the general public and were often subject to some ridicule. Hence, the tradition of April Fool’s Day began.
Second, we should acknowledge the fact that tobacco products were not even invented until after the time of the fall of Muslims in Spain. According to the State College in Framingham, they quote that smoking of any kind did not exist in Spain until after it was brought back from the New World in the times after King Ferdinand of Spain had come to power. Tobacco use did not become widespread until the 19th century.(Introduction to human biology, Framingham State College, Roger N. Morrissette, Ph.D.)
So regarding the rumor claiming that April Fool’s Day is a celebration of the take over of Muslim Spain, it is clear the whole thing is a fabricated story. It is in fact a lie made by the nonbelievers to mislead Muslims and in realty create a “Muslims Fool Day”! True Muslims would never propagate lies especially when it comes to the history of Islam. It is our duty to educate our brothers on these kinds of topics.
Regardless of the history of April Fool’s Day or not, there still isn’t any sort of a reason for a Muslim to practice such a foolish tradition. It is a in reality a holiday created by the enemies of Allah to prove how really foolish they are by denying the truth revealed to the world through the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). As Muslims it is our job to avoid imitating the nonbelievers in all aspects of life and this includes celebration of their holidays. No matter how hard you try to please them you will always fail unless you become one of them. And to become one of them is to earn Allah’s wrath. And to earn Allah’s wrath is to condemn oneself. Allah says in the Qur’an, “And never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you until you follow their millat (traditions, ways, religion, etc.).”(Chapter 2, verse 122)
Dear readers! Know that Islam is the only religion, which is free from faults and innovations. Such an easy religion to follow is Islam. The Prophet said, “Indeed religion is easy”(Bukhari). Allah just asks that we obey Him and His messenger sallalahu alaihi wasallam. Yet we try to go out of our ways to be obedient to those cursed people who have shown disobedience to Allah. What a pity for him who chooses to enjoy the pleasures of the world over the pleasures of the hereafter. By imitating the nonbelievers, all we do is show people that we are one of them and that they are beloved to us as we to them. The Holy Prophet said, “ A person will be raised on the Day of Judgment with whom he loves.” So whom do we prefer to be raised with, the Noble Prophet sallalahu alaihi wasallam and his companions or the celebrators of April Fool’s Day? The answer is obvious to all. In this age of innumerous trails and tribulations, we must try our hardest to stay steadfast on the straight path shown to us by our Beloved Prophet sallalahu alaihi wasallam, which is the only path with guaranteed success from Allah. In the long run, he will be successful who avoids such useless practices that are nothing more then a waste of time. May Allah keep us pure from such deceptions and avoid making us the “April Fool”. Ameen.
i have something lets read.
As April draws near, non believers around the globe celebrate a holiday on the first of the month known as April Fool’s Day. The traditional practice of this day is to play some sort of practical joke on someone and make him the “April Fool”.
Pranks performed on this day range form the simple, (such as saying, “your shoes are untied!”) to the elaborate. Whatever the prank, the trickster usually ends it by yelling to his victim, “April fool!”
The history of April Fool’s Day is not totally clear. No exact date can be found pinpointing the first official celebration of the holiday. There are, however, many narrations regarding the reason the tradition is practiced. One narration states that it is a day the Spanish celebrate in remembrance of the day that they defeated the Muslims and swept them from power in lower Spain. According to this narration, the Christian army could not conquer the Muslims there and sent spies to discover why. They discovered that the Muslims were strong on faith and obedient to Allah. The tradition goes on saying that the Christians sent in alcohol and tobacco, which the Muslims used and became the means in which they lost their obedience to Allah. Then the Christian army invaded lower Spain and conquered the Muslims on the first of April and began celebrating April Fool’s Day ever since. As this story has been circulating between our Muslim brothers strengthening their beliefs about the history of this day I deemed it appropriate to clarify a few points about the history of April Fool’s Day. The truth of the matter is that this story is not true in many aspects.
First, let us confirm the historic fact that Muslim rule in Spain ended on the 12th of January in the Christian year of 1492 A.D. April Fool’s Day was not heard of until over sixty years later. The most authentic reports according to Christian historical books such as Encyclopedia Britannica as well as many others trace the roots of the holiday back to 16th century France. Prior to the year 1582, the new year was celebrated for eight days, starting with the 25th of March. The celebration culminated on April 1st. With the reform of the Christian calendar under King Charles IX, through the influence of Pope Gregory, the Gregorian calendar was introduced, and New Years Day was moved to the first of January. However, due to lack of communications in those days, many people did not receive the news for several years. Others, the most obstinate crowd, refused to accept the new calendar and continued to celebrate the New Year on April 1. These backward people were classified as “fool” by the general public and were often subject to some ridicule. Hence, the tradition of April Fool’s Day began.
Second, we should acknowledge the fact that tobacco products were not even invented until after the time of the fall of Muslims in Spain. According to the State College in Framingham, they quote that smoking of any kind did not exist in Spain until after it was brought back from the New World in the times after King Ferdinand of Spain had come to power. Tobacco use did not become widespread until the 19th century.(Introduction to human biology, Framingham State College, Roger N. Morrissette, Ph.D.)
So regarding the rumor claiming that April Fool’s Day is a celebration of the take over of Muslim Spain, it is clear the whole thing is a fabricated story. It is in fact a lie made by the nonbelievers to mislead Muslims and in realty create a “Muslims Fool Day”! True Muslims would never propagate lies especially when it comes to the history of Islam. It is our duty to educate our brothers on these kinds of topics.
Regardless of the history of April Fool’s Day or not, there still isn’t any sort of a reason for a Muslim to practice such a foolish tradition. It is a in reality a holiday created by the enemies of Allah to prove how really foolish they are by denying the truth revealed to the world through the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). As Muslims it is our job to avoid imitating the nonbelievers in all aspects of life and this includes celebration of their holidays. No matter how hard you try to please them you will always fail unless you become one of them. And to become one of them is to earn Allah’s wrath. And to earn Allah’s wrath is to condemn oneself. Allah says in the Qur’an, “And never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you until you follow their millat (traditions, ways, religion, etc.).”(Chapter 2, verse 122)
Dear readers! Know that Islam is the only religion, which is free from faults and innovations. Such an easy religion to follow is Islam. The Prophet said, “Indeed religion is easy”(Bukhari). Allah just asks that we obey Him and His messenger sallalahu alaihi wasallam. Yet we try to go out of our ways to be obedient to those cursed people who have shown disobedience to Allah. What a pity for him who chooses to enjoy the pleasures of the world over the pleasures of the hereafter. By imitating the nonbelievers, all we do is show people that we are one of them and that they are beloved to us as we to them. The Holy Prophet said, “ A person will be raised on the Day of Judgment with whom he loves.” So whom do we prefer to be raised with, the Noble Prophet sallalahu alaihi wasallam and his companions or the celebrators of April Fool’s Day? The answer is obvious to all. In this age of innumerous trails and tribulations, we must try our hardest to stay steadfast on the straight path shown to us by our Beloved Prophet sallalahu alaihi wasallam, which is the only path with guaranteed success from Allah. In the long run, he will be successful who avoids such useless practices that are nothing more then a waste of time. May Allah keep us pure from such deceptions and avoid making us the “April Fool”. Ameen.
Thank u Saima sis... For sharin all dis.Khush rehye
This is from wikipedia.... n I can't find any ref to Muslims Humiliation in this.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day#Origin
Origin
The origins of this custom are complex and a matter of much debate. It is likely a relic of the once common festivities held on the vernal equinox, which began on the 25th of March, old New Year's Day, and ended on the 2nd of April.
Though the 1st of April appears to have been observed as a general festival in Great Britain in antiquity, it was apparently not until the beginning of the 18th century that the making of April-fools was a common custom. In Scotland the custom was known as "hunting the gowk," i.e. the cuckoo, and April-fools were "April-gowks," the cuckoo being a term of contempt, as it is in many countries.
One of the earliest connections of the day with fools is Chaucer's story the Nun's Priest's Tale (c.1400), which concerns two fools and takes place "thritty dayes and two" from the beginning of March, which is April 1. The significance of this is difficult to determine.
Europe may have derived its April-fooling from the French.[1] French and Dutch references from 1508 and 1539 respectively describe April Fools' Day jokes and the custom of making them on the first of April. France was one of the first nations to make January 1 officially New Year's Day (which was already celebrated by many), by decree of Charles IX. This was in 1564, even before the 1582 adoption of the Gregorian calendar (See Julian start of the year). Thus the New Year's gifts and visits of felicitation which had been the feature of the 1st of April became associated with the first day of January, and those who disliked or did not hear about the change were fair game for those wits who amused themselves by sending mock presents and paying calls of pretended ceremony on the 1st of April. In France the person fooled is known as poisson d'avril (April fish). This has been explained as arising from the fact that in April the sun quits the zodiacal sign of the fish. The French traditionally celebrated this holiday by placing dead fish on the backs of friends. Today, real fish have been replaced with sticky, fish-shaped paper cut-outs that children try to sneak onto the back of their friends' shirts. Candy shops and bakeries also offer fish-shaped sweets for the holiday.
Some Dutch also celebrate the 1st of April for other reasons. In 1572, the Netherlands were ruled by Spain's King Philip II. Roaming the region were Dutch rebels who called themselves Geuzen, after the French "gueux," meaning beggars. On April 1, 1572, the Geuzen seized the small coastal town of Den Briel. This event was also the start of the general civil rising against the Spanish in other cities in the Netherlands. The Duke of Alba, commander of the Spanish army could not prevent the uprising. Bril is the Dutch word for glasses, so on April 1, 1572, "Alba lost his glasses." The Dutch commemorate this with humor on the first of April.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day#Origin
Origin
The origins of this custom are complex and a matter of much debate. It is likely a relic of the once common festivities held on the vernal equinox, which began on the 25th of March, old New Year's Day, and ended on the 2nd of April.
Though the 1st of April appears to have been observed as a general festival in Great Britain in antiquity, it was apparently not until the beginning of the 18th century that the making of April-fools was a common custom. In Scotland the custom was known as "hunting the gowk," i.e. the cuckoo, and April-fools were "April-gowks," the cuckoo being a term of contempt, as it is in many countries.
One of the earliest connections of the day with fools is Chaucer's story the Nun's Priest's Tale (c.1400), which concerns two fools and takes place "thritty dayes and two" from the beginning of March, which is April 1. The significance of this is difficult to determine.
Europe may have derived its April-fooling from the French.[1] French and Dutch references from 1508 and 1539 respectively describe April Fools' Day jokes and the custom of making them on the first of April. France was one of the first nations to make January 1 officially New Year's Day (which was already celebrated by many), by decree of Charles IX. This was in 1564, even before the 1582 adoption of the Gregorian calendar (See Julian start of the year). Thus the New Year's gifts and visits of felicitation which had been the feature of the 1st of April became associated with the first day of January, and those who disliked or did not hear about the change were fair game for those wits who amused themselves by sending mock presents and paying calls of pretended ceremony on the 1st of April. In France the person fooled is known as poisson d'avril (April fish). This has been explained as arising from the fact that in April the sun quits the zodiacal sign of the fish. The French traditionally celebrated this holiday by placing dead fish on the backs of friends. Today, real fish have been replaced with sticky, fish-shaped paper cut-outs that children try to sneak onto the back of their friends' shirts. Candy shops and bakeries also offer fish-shaped sweets for the holiday.
Some Dutch also celebrate the 1st of April for other reasons. In 1572, the Netherlands were ruled by Spain's King Philip II. Roaming the region were Dutch rebels who called themselves Geuzen, after the French "gueux," meaning beggars. On April 1, 1572, the Geuzen seized the small coastal town of Den Briel. This event was also the start of the general civil rising against the Spanish in other cities in the Netherlands. The Duke of Alba, commander of the Spanish army could not prevent the uprising. Bril is the Dutch word for glasses, so on April 1, 1572, "Alba lost his glasses." The Dutch commemorate this with humor on the first of April.[citation needed]
thanks for ur shring saima sis,, i also dont believe it,, logically agar christians ne aisa kya hota,,,, tu iss pe books pe books mojood hoti,,, kion ke uskey baad se musalmanoon ka zawal aur europe ka urooj start hota hey,,, aur urooj hasil kerti hui qoumain,,, apney chotey karnamey bhi barha charha ke biyan kerti hain,,,, na ke chupa ke maskook andaaz se tasheer kerti hain,,, unn ko kiss baat ka dar hona tha,,, musalmanoon ki mazeed tazheek kerney ka,,, balkey yeah tu 1 acha moqa tha,,,, mazeed zaleel kerney ka
abb Allah janey,, ke yeah kissi christian ka garha hua waqya hey,,, ya kissi musalmaan ne hi apni jag-hansai kerwai hey
abb Allah janey,, ke yeah kissi christian ka garha hua waqya hey,,, ya kissi musalmaan ne hi apni jag-hansai kerwai hey
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thanks for ur shring saima sis,, i also dont believe it,, logically agar christians ne aisa kya hota,,,, tu iss pe books pe books mojood hoti,,, kion ke uskey baad se musalmanoon ka zawal aur europe ka urooj start hota hey,,, aur urooj hasil kerti hui qoumain,,, apney chotey karnamey bhi barha charha ke biyan kerti hain,,,, na ke chupa ke maskook andaaz se tasheer kerti hain,,, unn ko kiss baat ka dar hona tha,,, musalmanoon ki mazeed tazheek kerney ka,,, balkey yeah tu 1 acha moqa tha,,,, mazeed zaleel kerney ka
abb Allah janey,, ke yeah kissi christian ka garha hua waqya hey,,, ya kissi musalmaan ne hi apni jag-hansai kerwai hey
abb Allah janey,, ke yeah kissi christian ka garha hua waqya hey,,, ya kissi musalmaan ne hi apni jag-hansai kerwai hey
aap na bikul dursut farmaya magar yeh kuch hamera loog bhi hoosakta hain jo muslmanoon mai jazba barhana ka lia khani ko twist karta hain.. aur bhut si misalain hain aise
anyway april fool apni jagah aik ghalat rasam hai, abu adnan bhai na aik article behja hai jo aik alim ka hai uss mai mere khayal sa history sahi bayan ki gaye hai. let see
asal maiN april fool ki 2/3 pasay manzar bataye jatay haiN. aur beshtar against muslims hi rewayat ki jati haiN. lekin western official sites to zahr hai k yeh nahi batayee jasakti k hum yeh muslims ka mazaq oranay ki gharz say manatay haiN..... bilkul issi tarah jaisay basant ki mash'hoor tareen theory /pasay manzar muslims k khelaaf bayaan kiyeh jatay haiN. magar iskay mananay walay 'official reason' kuch aur hi bayaan kartay haiN.
asal qissa khaah kuch hi ho.... lekin yeh tay hai k basant, valentine day, april fool ... yeh sab ki sab islam k raasaty say haTi howee cheezaiN haiN jo sara sar khelaafay islam haiN. inkay mananay k dauraan islami taleemaat ki khullam khulla khelaaf warzi hi hoti hai.
asal qissa khaah kuch hi ho.... lekin yeh tay hai k basant, valentine day, april fool ... yeh sab ki sab islam k raasaty say haTi howee cheezaiN haiN jo sara sar khelaafay islam haiN. inkay mananay k dauraan islami taleemaat ki khullam khulla khelaaf warzi hi hoti hai.
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asal maiN april fool ki 2/3 pasay manzar bataye jatay haiN. aur beshtar against muslims hi rewayat ki jati haiN. lekin western official sites to zahr hai k yeh nahi batayee jasakti k hum yeh muslims ka mazaq oranay ki gharz say manatay haiN..... bilkul issi tarah jaisay basant ki mash'hoor tareen theory /pasay manzar muslims k khelaaf bayaan kiyeh jatay haiN. magar iskay mananay walay 'official reason' kuch aur hi bayaan kartay haiN.
asal qissa khaah kuch hi ho.... lekin yeh tay hai k basant, valentine day, april fool ... yeh sab ki sab islam k raasaty say haTi howee cheezaiN haiN jo sara sar khelaafay islam haiN. inkay mananay k dauraan islami taleemaat ki khullam khulla khelaaf warzi hi hoti hai.
asal qissa khaah kuch hi ho.... lekin yeh tay hai k basant, valentine day, april fool ... yeh sab ki sab islam k raasaty say haTi howee cheezaiN haiN jo sara sar khelaafay islam haiN. inkay mananay k dauraan islami taleemaat ki khullam khulla khelaaf warzi hi hoti hai.
west waloon ne khakey chap liye,,,, afghanistan,,, aur Iraq ka satiyanaas ker liya,,,,, tu yeah bataney main unko kaisa daar,,,,,,,, aur basant ka bhi aghaz haqeeqat roy se bohat pahley ka hey,,,, mahmood ghaznavi ke zamaney main bhi iska tazkara milta hey
kissi cheez ka khilaf-e-islam hona aur baat hey,,, aur uska wajah-e-aghaz ko islam ke sath jorna aur baat hey
April Fool aur valentine day ki basics hi khilaf-e-islam hey,,, iss liye yeah tu manana ghalat hey,,, lekin basant ki basics ghalat nahin hey,,, albata iska mojooda tor-tareeqa ghalat hey
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west waloon ne khakey chap liye,,,, afghanistan,,, aur Iraq ka satiyanaas ker liya,,,,, tu yeah bataney main unko kaisa daar,,,,,,,, aur basant ka bhi aghaz haqeeqat roy se bohat pahley ka hey,,,, mahmood ghaznavi ke zamaney main bhi iska tazkara milta hey
kissi cheez ka khilaf-e-islam hona aur baat hey,,, aur uska wajah-e-aghaz ko islam ke sath jorna aur baat hey
April Fool aur valentine day ki basics hi khilaf-e-islam hey,,, iss liye yeah tu manana ghalat hey,,, lekin basant ki basics ghalat nahin hey,,, albata iska mojooda tor-tareeqa ghalat hey
kissi cheez ka khilaf-e-islam hona aur baat hey,,, aur uska wajah-e-aghaz ko islam ke sath jorna aur baat hey
April Fool aur valentine day ki basics hi khilaf-e-islam hey,,, iss liye yeah tu manana ghalat hey,,, lekin basant ki basics ghalat nahin hey,,, albata iska mojooda tor-tareeqa ghalat hey
basant yaqeenan poorana tehwar hai magar hinduana tehwaar hai basant panchami aaj bhi manaye jati hai, jahan tak Basant ka moqa per kite flying hai woo as from historical book jiss mai 2 books mai hi iss ki history bayan ki gaye hai aik ghair muslim writer ki hai aur aik muslim writer ki donoo iss baat per mutafiq hai ka yeh haqiqaat raye ki waja sa shuru hui..
jahan tak April fool ka taluq to historical point of view jo books mai bayan hua hai authentic uss mai iss ka muslmanoon ssa door door tak taluq nahi, iss per mai agree karti hoon.
QUOTE(MJB @ Apr 3 2008, 06:27 PM) [snapback]2804245[/snapback]
west waloon ne khakey chap liye,,,, afghanistan,,, aur Iraq ka satiyanaas ker liya,,,,, tu yeah bataney main unko kaisa daar,,,,,,,, aur basant ka bhi aghaz haqeeqat roy se bohat pahley ka hey,,,, mahmood ghaznavi ke zamaney main bhi iska tazkara milta hey
kissi cheez ka khilaf-e-islam hona aur baat hey,,, aur uska wajah-e-aghaz ko islam ke sath jorna aur baat hey
April Fool aur valentine day ki basics hi khilaf-e-islam hey,,, iss liye yeah tu manana ghalat hey,,, lekin basant ki basics ghalat nahin hey,,, albata iska mojooda tor-tareeqa ghalat hey
kissi cheez ka khilaf-e-islam hona aur baat hey,,, aur uska wajah-e-aghaz ko islam ke sath jorna aur baat hey
April Fool aur valentine day ki basics hi khilaf-e-islam hey,,, iss liye yeah tu manana ghalat hey,,, lekin basant ki basics ghalat nahin hey,,, albata iska mojooda tor-tareeqa ghalat hey
chalaiN hum aap ki baat maan letay haiN k in sab ka aghaz woh nahi jo bayaan kia jata hai... aur aap ki iss baat say ittefaaq kartay haiN k maujoodah sooratay haal maiN jiss tarah yeh teenouN 'tehwaar' manaye jatay haiN woh sara sar 'ghair islami' hai. jiss baat par ittefaaq hai, issi par amal kar laiN to yehi kaafi hai. yaani muslims in tehwarouN ki maujoodah tor tareeqouN maiN involve nah houN aur jo involve haiN onhaiN mana karaiN. Jazak allah
QUOTE(saima56 @ Apr 3 2008, 03:50 PM) [snapback]2804260[/snapback]
basant yaqeenan poorana tehwar hai magar hinduana tehwaar hai basant panchami aaj bhi manaye jati hai, jahan tak Basant ka moqa per kite flying hai woo as from historical book jiss mai 2 books mai hi iss ki history bayan ki gaye hai aik ghair muslim writer ki hai aur aik muslim writer ki donoo iss baat per mutafiq hai ka yeh haqiqaat raye ki waja sa shuru hui..
jahan tak April fool ka taluq to historical point of view jo books mai bayan hua hai authentic uss mai iss ka muslmanoon ssa door door tak taluq nahi, iss per mai agree karti hoon.
jahan tak April fool ka taluq to historical point of view jo books mai bayan hua hai authentic uss mai iss ka muslmanoon ssa door door tak taluq nahi, iss per mai agree karti hoon.
we already had discussed about basant history,,, and there is no other refernce other than
Punjab under the later Mughals (1707-1759) by Bakhshihs singh nijar
all qoute him,,, and its again quite strange that no refernce is availble for about 400 years until the book of bakhshih singh,,,, if u have some other refernce,,, then do share,,, i have also requested it before
anyway basant is off topic,,, and ur answer was due on basant topic both about refernce and other things,,, if u wish,,, u can answer there
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Apr 3 2008, 04:07 PM) [snapback]2804275[/snapback]
chalaiN hum aap ki baat maan letay haiN k in sab ka aghaz woh nahi jo bayaan kia jata hai... aur aap ki iss baat say ittefaaq kartay haiN k maujoodah sooratay haal maiN jiss tarah yeh teenouN 'tehwaar' manaye jatay haiN woh sara sar 'ghair islami' hai. jiss baat par ittefaaq hai, issi par amal kar laiN to yehi kaafi hai. yaani muslims in tehwarouN ki maujoodah tor tareeqouN maiN involve nah houN aur jo involve haiN onhaiN mana karaiN. Jazak allah
lekin 1 ghalat baat aur tareekh ki tasheer ker ke ham kya ker rahey hain,,, kya yeah jhoot main nahin aati,,, aur baat ki tasdeeq kiye baghair agay barhaney main nahin aati,,,, yeah bhi utni hi ghalat baat hey,,,, jitna april fool khud,,,,,,,, iss barey main aapka kya khyal hey
QUOTE(MJB @ Apr 3 2008, 07:11 PM) [snapback]2804280[/snapback]
lekin 1 ghalat baat aur tareekh ki tasheer ker ke ham kya ker rahey hain,,, kya yeah jhoot main nahin aati,,, aur baat ki tasdeeq kiye baghair agay barhaney main nahin aati,,,, yeah bhi utni hi ghalat baat hey,,,, jitna april fool khud,,,,,,,, iss barey main aapka kya khyal hey
ab yeh doosri bahas k zariyeh aap april-fool, valentine day aur basant ki 'hamayat' maiN karna chaah rahay hain to aur baat hai
bilkul fazlur rahman ki tarah jo ch iftikhar ki bahali k sawaal par kahtay haiN k insay zeyadah aham dr qadeer ki rehayee hai. iss baray maiN meri zati koi tahqeeq nahi..... bahoot say achchay aur deen.daar muslims ki 'tahqeeq' hai k yeh sab muslims k khelaaf thee aur hai.... inn 'ghair islami tehwaarouN' ko mananay walay 'muslims+ non-muslims' kahtay haiN k iska 'muslim mokhalfat' say koi talluq nahi'.... ab maiN agar pahlay group ki baat ko aagay baRhata houn aur aap doosray group ki batouN ko.... lekin 'qadray mushtarik' hum dounouN maiN yeh hai k iskay maujoodah tor tareeqay ghair islami haiN... lehaza aham tareen baat jo qadr mushtarak hai, ossi par qaaim rahaiN to Allah ajar dega. aap ko bhi aur mujhay bhi.... lekin agar aap bahmi ikhtelafi amoor ko ojagar karkay asal baat ko pasay manzar maiN lana chahatay haiN to aap ki marzi.
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Apr 3 2008, 04:22 PM) [snapback]2804292[/snapback]
ab yeh doosri bahas k zariyeh aap april-fool, valentine day aur basant ki 'hamayat' maiN karna chaah rahay hain to aur baat hai bilkul fazlur rahman ki tarah jo ch iftikhar ki bahali k sawaal par kahtay haiN k insay zeyadah aham dr qadeer ki rehayee hai.
iss baray maiN meri zati koi tahqeeq nahi..... bahoot say achchay aur deen.daar muslims ki 'tahqeeq' hai k yeh sab muslims k khelaaf thee aur hai.... inn 'ghair islami tehwaarouN' ko mananay walay 'muslims+ non-muslims' kahtay haiN k iska 'muslim mokhalfat' say koi talluq nahi'.... ab maiN agar pahlay group ki baat ko aagay baRhata houn aur aap doosray group ki batouN ko.... lekin 'qadray mushtarik' hum dounouN maiN yeh hai k iskay maujoodah tor tareeqay ghair islami haiN... lehaza aham tareen baat jo qadr mushtarak hai, ossi par qaaim rahaiN to Allah ajar dega. aap ko bhi aur mujhay bhi.... lekin agar aap bahmi ikhtelafi amoor ko ojagar karkay asal baat ko pasay manzar maiN lana chahatay haiN to aap ki marzi.
bilkul fazlur rahman ki tarah jo ch iftikhar ki bahali k sawaal par kahtay haiN k insay zeyadah aham dr qadeer ki rehayee hai. iss baray maiN meri zati koi tahqeeq nahi..... bahoot say achchay aur deen.daar muslims ki 'tahqeeq' hai k yeh sab muslims k khelaaf thee aur hai.... inn 'ghair islami tehwaarouN' ko mananay walay 'muslims+ non-muslims' kahtay haiN k iska 'muslim mokhalfat' say koi talluq nahi'.... ab maiN agar pahlay group ki baat ko aagay baRhata houn aur aap doosray group ki batouN ko.... lekin 'qadray mushtarik' hum dounouN maiN yeh hai k iskay maujoodah tor tareeqay ghair islami haiN... lehaza aham tareen baat jo qadr mushtarak hai, ossi par qaaim rahaiN to Allah ajar dega. aap ko bhi aur mujhay bhi.... lekin agar aap bahmi ikhtelafi amoor ko ojagar karkay asal baat ko pasay manzar maiN lana chahatay haiN to aap ki marzi.
april fool, valentine day aur basant ke barey main merey intahi saaf nazriye aur byan ke baad bhi agar aap aisa samjhtey hain tu main kuch nahin kah sakta.
agar koi baat ghalat lagti hey,,, jaisa ke april fool ke hawaley se spain ke musalmanoon ki,,, jo ke suni sunai baat hey,,,, aur iskey barey main tasdeeq kiye baghair isko phailatey hain,,,,, tu kya yeah baat khilaf-e-islam nahin,,, sirif yahi nahin,,,, kissi bhi hawaley se koi suni sunai baat ko baghair tasdeeq kiye,,, phailaney ke barey main Islam kiya kahta hey,,, islam ke barey main apka ilm mujh se ziada hey,,, iss liye aap bahter jantey hoon gey
April fool main bhi yahi hota hey na ke jhoot bola jata hey,,, aur isko phailaya jata hey,,, baghair kissi tasdeeq ke
QUOTE(MJB @ Apr 3 2008, 07:09 PM) [snapback]2804278[/snapback]
we already had discussed about basant history,,, and there is no other refernce other than
Punjab under the later Mughals (1707-1759) by Bakhshihs singh nijar
all qoute him,,, and its again quite strange that no refernce is availble for about 400 years until the book of bakhshih singh,,,, if u have some other refernce,,, then do share,,, i have also requested it before
anyway basant is off topic,,, and ur answer was due on basant topic both about refernce and other things,,, if u wish,,, u can answer there
Punjab under the later Mughals (1707-1759) by Bakhshihs singh nijar
all qoute him,,, and its again quite strange that no refernce is availble for about 400 years until the book of bakhshih singh,,,, if u have some other refernce,,, then do share,,, i have also requested it before
anyway basant is off topic,,, and ur answer was due on basant topic both about refernce and other things,,, if u wish,,, u can answer there
ok. but one last thing that we have'nt find any other history. even i know that
wikipedia is not so authentic but the article there also present two historical point of view one is quotaing from veda and other is from the book which u mentioned.
u can check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basant
so there are historical references . so we cannot say that if someone is trying to told the history which he read from books that its completly baseless. this is last reply in this post as far as basant issue is concern
QUOTE(saima56 @ Apr 3 2008, 04:32 PM) [snapback]2804298[/snapback]
ok. but one last thing that we have'nt find any other history. even i know that
wikipedia is not so authentic but the article there also present two historical point of view one is quotaing from veda and other is from the book which u mentioned.
u can check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basant
so there are historical references . so we cannot say that if someone is trying to told the history which he read from books that its completly baseless. this is last reply in this post as far as basant issue is concern
wikipedia is not so authentic but the article there also present two historical point of view one is quotaing from veda and other is from the book which u mentioned.
u can check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basant
so there are historical references . so we cannot say that if someone is trying to told the history which he read from books that its completly baseless. this is last reply in this post as far as basant issue is concern
yes what i says,,, that we get this only in 1 book which was first published in 1968,,, no other reference,,,, so there great chances to be just a story to link-up an ancient story,,, about vedas,, and panchami i had already replied in detail
QUOTE(MJB @ Apr 3 2008, 07:39 PM) [snapback]2804301[/snapback]
yes what i says,,, that we get this only in 1 book which was first published in 1968,,, no other reference,,,, so there great chances to be just a story to link-up an ancient story,,, about vedas,, and panchami i had already replied in detail
http://punjabgovt.nic.in/CULTURE/fairs.htm
mai behas nahi karoon gi magar for basant there are some background and april fool there is no backgorund. so aik jaga links mai sachi nazar aarahi aur april fool ka case mai nahi arahi so they are 2 different issues. so dont compare both
QUOTE(saima56 @ Apr 3 2008, 04:58 PM) [snapback]2804312[/snapback]
http://punjabgovt.nic.in/CULTURE/fairs.htm
mai behas nahi karoon gi magar for basant there are some background and april fool there is no backgorund. so aik jaga links mai sachi nazar aarahi aur april fool ka case mai nahi arahi so they are 2 different issues. so dont compare both
mai behas nahi karoon gi magar for basant there are some background and april fool there is no backgorund. so aik jaga links mai sachi nazar aarahi aur april fool ka case mai nahi arahi so they are 2 different issues. so dont compare both
main ne tu pahley hi kaha hey ke ,,,, agar aap iss pe baat kerna chahti hain,,,, tu original post main mojood apney dew jawabaat dain,,,, yahan off the topic baaat kion ker rahi hain.
aur na tu app ke paas koi solid reference hey,,, aur na hi iss baat ka jawab ke agar yeah hinduana tahwar hey (chahye vedas ho ya haqeeqat roy) tu sikh isko kion manatey hain,,,,, aur sarey hindu isko kion nahin manatey
agar in sawaloon samait baqi sawaloon ke jawab hain,,, tu main original post main apka muntazir rahoon ga
QUOTE(MJB @ Apr 3 2008, 08:24 PM) [snapback]2804347[/snapback]
main ne tu pahley hi kaha hey ke ,,,, agar aap iss pe baat kerna chahti hain,,,, tu original post main mojood apney dew jawabaat dain,,,, yahan off the topic baaat kion ker rahi hain.
aur na tu app ke paas koi solid reference hey,,, aur na hi iss baat ka jawab ke agar yeah hinduana tahwar hey (chahye vedas ho ya haqeeqat roy) tu sikh isko kion manatey hain,,,,, aur sarey hindu isko kion nahin manatey
agar in sawaloon samait baqi sawaloon ke jawab hain,,, tu main original post main apka muntazir rahoon ga
aur na tu app ke paas koi solid reference hey,,, aur na hi iss baat ka jawab ke agar yeah hinduana tahwar hey (chahye vedas ho ya haqeeqat roy) tu sikh isko kion manatey hain,,,,, aur sarey hindu isko kion nahin manatey
agar in sawaloon samait baqi sawaloon ke jawab hain,,, tu main original post main apka muntazir rahoon ga
ok i have answer from hindues websites in that post also . and i will try to re-discuss the issue.
http://www.hulchul.net/HC/index.php?showto...6&st=0&
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