aaj mujh say kisi nay kaha keh sharab is liye haram hai keh woh aap kay hosh khatam kar daiti hai... isi liye agar aap itni pi rehay h ain keh hosh nahi khotay to its allowed.... awaiting your replies....

ghalat suna hai apne ke sharab itni pee jaye ke hosh banda hosh mai rahe isliye wo haram nahi...
muje nahi lagtta ke yeh waja hai sharab ke haram hone ki..
sharab mai jo cheezen use hoti hain banate howe wo haram hoti hain..

hosh-o-hawas mai to banda neend mai bhi nahi rehta..is tarha neend to nahi haram ho gaee..

thanks for the reply... zara aur khul kar answer ho jata to buhat asaani hoti

khul ke to buhat sari baten hain mere zehan mai jo suni hain maine...lekin phir socha Abu Adnan bhae ka wait karte hain wohi akey explain kare ge .

maine sharab ke hawale se aik bat suni thee pehley dont know its true or not...ke agar hum sharab mai finger bhi dip kare to us finger ko cut karne ka hukum hai...aur 2nd yeh ke maine suna hai ke sharab sale karna bhi sharab piney jitna hi gunah hai...

haan nahi woh sharab ka hukam to quran main ha keh sharab bananay wala baichnay wala laadnay wala lay kar anay wala peenay wala pilanay wala sub jhanumi hain

jab aap ko yeh sab pata hai to iss post ka maqsad kia hai


sharaab (drinking alcohol) haraam hai. har woh nashay waali shai jiski kaseer miqdaar hosh o hawaas kho denay ka sabab banay, iskay aik drop bhi HARAM hai.

sharaab /alcohol sirf peenay ki had tak haraam hai. iska deger use haraam nahi as yeh chemical labs aur chemical industries maiN kaseer paimaanay par use hoti hai. yeh perfumes etc maiN bhi use hoti hai, jiska use haraam nahi go kuch scholars issay haraam kahtay haiN magar iss par ittefaaq (ajmaa.e.ummat) nahi. homeopathy medicine totally taur par alcohol maiN banti hai, lehaza yeh haraam hai.\

alcohol / sharaab sirf 3 soorat maiN HARAM nahi

1. haalatay izteraar maiN yaani bhook say jaan jaarahi ho aur khanay peenay k liyeh sharaab ya sharaab say bani shai k elawah kuch aur nah dastyaab ho.

2. bandah kissi marz maiN iss tarah mubtala ho k oski zindagi aur maut ka maslah darpesh ho, aur jaan bachanay wali medicine maiN sirf alcohol related medicine hi say oski jaan bach sakti ho aur yeh roy kissi muslim baa.amal tabeeb ki ho.

3. koi zabardasti, gun point par sharaab piladay.

huramat ko to main bhi maanta hoon.. magar jis say meri behas ho rahi thi unka kehna yeh tha keh har cheez ki aik wajah hoti hai sharab is liye haram hai keh hosh o hawas kho deta hai banda... s agar itni miqdaar pi jaye keh hosh qaim rehain to allowed hai... please is par roshni daliyay ga

yeh sab shaitaani khayaalaat haiN k har cheez ki aik wajah hoti hai aur jab wajah nah rahay to...... deen o mazhab maiN wajah saanwi cheez hoti hai (agar ho to) asal cheez hai hukm... jab Allah aur Allah k Rasool ka hukm maujood hai k .... jiss cheez ki kasrat hosh o hawaas say begaana kar day, oska aik drop bhi haraam hai .... this is final verdict..

ab aa jayain bahas baraye bahas ki taraf ... k sharab iss liyeh haram hai k woh hosh kho deti hai lehaza agar sharaab hosh khonay ka sabab nah banay to woh haram nahi honi chahiyeh........... iss shaitani khayaal k jawaab yeh hai k .... quran maiN Allah nay rozay ki farziat ka hukm dia aur iski wajah yeh bayaan ki ... taakay tim muttaqi ban sako... goya rozah insaan ko muttaqi banataa hai (as per quran) ... lehaz a yahaaN pay shaitaani khayaal yeh aa sakta hai k jab Allah k rasool SAW already muttaqi thay to onhaiN to rozay ki 'zaroorat' hi nahi thee. goya rozah onn par farz nah thaa. phir woh rozay kiyouN rakhtay thay........ bay shak rozay ki gharz o ghayat apni jagah durust hai. magar asal wajah yehi hai k yeh allah ka hukm hai jo nabi saw jaisay logouN par bhi farz hai.

omeed hai k aap ko logic samajh agayee hogi aur aap issay agay bhi convey karsakengay.

Well said Abu-Adnan Hukm.e.Ilaahi ke baad taveelaat ki justajo meiN zehni.ghoray douraana apne aap per zulum karna hai.. yahaan sirf aur sirf believe and practice ka qanoon naafiz hota hai.

buhat buhat shukriya itnay detail jawab ka sub clear ho gaya shukriya

Kasay hain. Bhai yeh to who hi baat ho gai. Kay Agar app kisi ko Goli maratay ho aur adalat main pash honay kay bad app bolo kay Mujhko chor do admi mara to nai hai na sirf goli hi lagi hai....

Kia khayal hai app ka....

thanks GOd...u got ..thx 4 making such a nice thread

its realy nice to know about diz ....great information

nice, kaafi koch clear hogea

thank u VrS for starting juz a acha topic, n thank u Adnan bhai baat clear karne ka, coz yaha b colleauges k saht ik do baar behas ho chuki hai

@ziddi and life

bilkul sehi aaj kal to logon ko apni ghalati justify karnay ka bahana chahiyay... yaad nahi jo aik movie release howi thi abhi... us say poocha jata hai alim sahib say keh muslim aurat ka gair muslim say nikkah ho sakta hai to he said "na-pasandeeda" hai magar napasandeeda to shaarab bhi hai aur log peetay hain.... bolay to unhoon nay kaha keh jo marzi kartay raho

App nay sahi kaaha. Jub main nay yeh movie (jis ki app baat kar rahay ho) main nay appnay frndz kay sath dakhi thi.
Aur jub movie khatam howi to aik bola kay hum sub ajj kay bad yeh to kahain gey kay Music karam nai. Lakin koi Fawad Khan ki baat nai bolay ga kay " MUJH MAIN AIK QAMI THI KAY MAIN NAMAZ NAI PARTA THA....." Aur yeh sun kar main to sharam kay maray kuch bhi na bol saka.

sharab ko kis shidat say mana kiya gya hai is ka andaza aap is waqia say laga sktay hain

(mujhay yaad nahi k ye hazoor paak s.a.w nay kaha tha ya kisi aur sahaba nay xplain kiya tha .. mai mafhoom likh raha houn)
agr sharab ka aik qatra aik talaaab mai mila diya jaye aur us talaab ka paani aik bhains p lay to us bhains ka DUDH aur GOSHT dono haram hain

Can u please specify the source of the above statement

Assalam-o-alaikum

Bhai Apko Jisnay Kaha Kahin Wo "Goher Shahi" Fitnay ka Shikar Tu Nahi ?? Ihtiyaat Kareyhga

Gober Shahi Apni book "Yadgaar Lamhat" Main dance charus or sharab Halal likhta hai ...


Ziyada tar Nashay Ko Halal Kehnay Walay Log Sehwan waghera or dosray Mazaroon say yeh
bakwas seekh k atay hain k Nasha jaez hai etc ...

charus peenay walay police waloon ya apnay circle main ager app khi k hain tu asani say
es baat ka mushahida karsaktay hain unki nazar main halal hai ..

Acha hoa Soldier apnay apna sawal Jawaid ahmad ghamdi say nahi kia kiuon k wo he os movie ka scprit writer hai Shoaib Mansoor just kath putli hai..

Islam k Khilaf Tamam ter Script Al-mawrid nay faraham kia hai jo k Dr Jawaid Ahmad Ghamdi ki hai
or osnay Bharpoor moawinat ki hai shoaib mansoor ki..

Allah Pak Ghamdiyat say bhi sabko mehfooz farmayin Ameen..

waisay aap nay yeh baat note nahi ki keh ghamdi ko media say kitni help mil rahi hai... un say 1000 time zayda popular Dr. Israr ka program nahi chalta ghamdi ka chalta hai

ji bhai Abb 250rp tv cable k pay karayin or deen seekhayin lolzz

Amir liaqat
dr tahirul padri
dr jawaid ahmad ghamdi
azhri mazhri
pata nahi kaun kaun a k kia kia bolta rehta hai huh !

Al-hamdulilah meray yahaan tv he nahi ..

Tv Barbad karaha Musharaf k 7yr say mulk main deen ko mukamal tabaha karany ki koshish ki hai in sab nay ..

Sharab k baray mein Quran ne wazeh keh diya hai k Sharab se bacho....... iskay baad ye kehna k itni ya itni pee ja sakti hai ghalat ho ga, haan iski wajoohaat ya reasoning zaroor dekhni aur dhoondi chaahiye lekin agar reasoning na bhi milay to iska ye matlab nahin ho ga k sharab halal ho gai

Javed ahmad ghamdi ka yahan kis liye zikr ?? usne kya kabhi kaha k sharab halal hai?? if not then what an idiotic irrelevant comment u have posted in this topic

Mere bhai aisay hi to kisi bhi qaul ko Quran ki ayat nahin qarar dena chahiye k Quran mein ye aya hai......... Jab k pooray Quran mein aisa kahin nahin aya,

Ye ek hadith hai, aur kisi hadith k baray mein ye kehna k ye Quran mein aya hai ghalat hai........ be careful next time while referring something to Quran.

sharaab bananay main angoor istemaal hota hai or angoor haraam nahi hai.

in dono ko ghamdi say kiyu'n mila rahe ho.... Do you have any problem with these two? If yes, explain it.

Haan Jinaab Bohat Bari Problem Hai In Say Or Un Baqi Hazraat Say Bhi Jin K Naam Leyh
I Have A Big Problem Tasalli Rakheyh InshahAllah Sab Pay Baat Ho Gi New Topics Bana K Yeh
Sharab Ka Topic Hai Sharabiuon Bhang pee k Nachnay waloon ka nahi warna yahi baat kartay .
Ajj Kal Time Bhi Kam Hai warna baat shoroo kardayta Intezar Karyin plzz sab Ahbab ..

Tc
AllahHafiz

dono shia hain
dono k batil aqaid hain gamdi k bhi batil aqaid hain
dono shaba par tabara kartey hain
batil may koi farak nai wo dosrey tarikey sey kartey hain wo dosrey tarikey sey kaam aik hi hay

mujeh yeh ayat number chaiytee,jis mein yeh baat like hain ,hamaree aik buhat ache dost hain jos aik gas station mein kaam kertee hain,unke mutabik sharab sirf peena haram hain ,bechna nahin !

@ OP,
to is angle se to premarital @@@ bhi allowed hoo jani chahyee,kion ke jab ourane samanee mein family planning,abortion, pills aur dna testing naam ki koi cheez nahin they , aur yeh hi sari main proeblems they jis ki wajah se shai s epehle @@@ ka mana kiya gaya tha, to is twisted logic ke zariyee to yeh sab bhi halal hoo jana chahiyee!

dr tahir ul qadri aur amir liuaqat hussain shia hain???

Gambler bhai, jab aap Quran k iss hukam k doosron ko buray naamo se na pukaro ki khullam khulla khilaf warzi kar rahay hain to aapko kya haq hai k islam ki tableegh karein? Kya islam ki tableegh doosron k naam bigarnay se hoti hai?? dosron k naam bigarnay se insan ka apna moonh hi bigar jata hai kisi aur ko iss se farq nahin parta.......



From da last dimension, ye baat kisi ayat mein nahin hai, vrsoldiers ne yahan ghalati ki hai...... haan aisi ek hadith hai aur muje uska reference nahin maloom, talash karna kuch khas mushkil nahi but i have come here for a vey short time

Bhai Mainay Padri Ko Padri Bola Hai Or Padriuon ko He Padri Kehta Hoon

khir App yeh Batyain k As A Muslim Hum "Chirtsmas" Celebrate karsaktay hain ??
"marry Chirstmas" Bol saktay hain ??

ap ko aaj pata chala hay
amir layaqat maloon ki to video bhi hay utube par sahaba par tabbarey ki

jis cheez ka naam le k osse haram kah diaa ho .. os main kya kam ya ziada daikhna?

boundry halki halki cross kar k kidher k religious rahein ge? apni bana'ne se bahtar hai k jo rules hain onhain follow karain ..

must consult Sura-al-Baqara which gives the message as:
"sure there are benifits therein (the liquour) for the people, but the harm and destruction likely to be caused by it, is many times greater than the benifits thereof." Just try to understand a thing. The man is a machine manufacutred by Almighty Allah and a 'Manual' has been gifted with this machinary to understand the mode of operating it. That Manual is "Quran". I am sure if an electronic device is inoperable without its manual, the man is likewise unmanageable without its manual i.e. Quran. So act upon what Quran advises, not for the purpose of reward rather for your own betterment and rectification.
Mustahsan (cynosure38)

yara jub hadis pak main agay hai to pichay koi baat rah jati hai kia?

Janab Ghamdi nay sharab halal to nahi ki abhi tak magar us nay sharab ki shari saza ka inqar kafi arsay pehlay hi kar diya tha is liya us ko bola to jay gaa na

O really then give the reference.

app nay naam ko galat likkha hai.
its

Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri.

U should apologise.

yeh pics 2006 ki hain

Source : Tahiri Firqa ki Oficial website www.minhaj.org

Or Yeh Pics 2007 Ki hain

source : www.minhaj.org




ek Baat Note Karlo Dost K Qadri Ko Padri Kehna Maqsood Nahi Mera Mera Matlab or Wazay Matlab Nakam Dr Nakam Leader Nakam wakeel Tahirul Padri Ko he Padri Kehna Hai
Main Esko Behropiya Shia Ko Qadriya Silsila Badnam Nahi Karnay Day sakta Ryt Bro

Es ki Dance Partyz Waghera Deakhni Hoon Tu "Youtube" Pay Search marlo Es ka Naam dal
K ..

Main Na Tu Shia Hoon Na Biddati Padri Ko Padri He Kahongaaa Or Qadri Ko Qadri
Dont worry..


Take Care
AllahHafiz

halwa khor mulwiyoun kay yehi kaam hain

kiya koi bita sakta hai minhaj waloun ka koi aik banda kashmir ghiya ho afghanistan ghiya ho iraq ghiya ho....

(sear sipata kay liyeh nehi) jihad kay lieh

ya ain ka jihad buss dawatoun par hota hai ya kisi kay marnay par

ya koi meray ilam maain izafa kar dey

minhaj waloun nay kitni books qadiyani rad par likhain isayaat kay rad par inn ka kitna kaam hai?

Good to know...

[quote name='Abu Adnan' date='May 5 2008, 10:41 AM' post='2856601']
yeh sab shaitaani khayaalaat haiN k har cheez ki aik wajah hoti hai aur jab wajah nah rahay to...... deen o mazhab maiN wajah saanwi cheez hoti hai (agar ho to) asal cheez hai hukm... jab Allah aur Allah k Rasool ka hukm maujood hai k .... jiss cheez ki kasrat hosh o hawaas say begaana kar day, oska aik drop bhi haraam hai .... this is final verdict..

jee...sawal main hi jawab maujood ho to phir bhi reasoning/explanation mangna...there's evil in it somewhere

Ya lain janab reference aur abb to Gamdi ko manna chor dain

perveaz shaib ki shara main koi siza nehi.............
kiyoun keh perveaz shaib bhi chotay rafzi hain..... shbha ko ju nehi mantay

Hahahahaha Really zabardast reference pesh kiya hai, daad dene ko jee chahta hai :d wese such such batana apko issay reference kehtay huay ya pesh bhi kartay huay zara c bhi hansi nahin aayi k main kis cheez ko reference keh raha hon??

Kisi ki poori baat mein se ek balkeh aadha sentence uchak lena aur pesh kar dena as a reference ek intehayi bogus tareeka hai,

Aain main apko poora article dikhaon aur agar aap zara bhi insaf pasand huay to apni ghalati tasleem karein gey....

Sharab Noshi ki saza ko hadd mein shumaar kiya jata hai jabke Ghamdi sahib ka kehna hai k ye hadd nahin balkeh taazeer ki saza hai, ghamdi ne ye bilkul nahin kaha k sharab peenay walay ko saza nahin deni chaahiye, balkeh masla hadd aur taazeer ka hai........ hadd wo hoti hai jiski ek saza muqarrar hoti hai maslan chori ki saza ya zana ki saza, lekin bribery, gambling aur drinking ko Islam mein mana to kiya gaya hai lekin iski koi sharayi saza muqarrar nahin ki balkeh apnay apnay zamanay mein Hazoor(PBUH) aur khulafa mukhtalif sazaain detay rahay, not a fixed punishment. Jo zahir karti hai k sharab ki saza hadd nahin tazeer hai...... Aap iss baat se to ikhtalaf kar saktay hain k nahin ye tazeer nahin hadd hi hai lekin ye kehna k wo siray se iski saza k hi khilaf hai jhot aur bad-diyanti ka fazool muzahira hai aur islam aisi harkaton ki sakhti se mukhalfat karta hai.

Poora article Ghamdi ki website renaissance.com aur studyislam.com par majood hai im copy pasting it.

1. The Punishment of Drinking

The answer to the first question is that the punishment of drinking was fixed at eighty stripes by ‘Umar (rta) after he in his capacity of a Caliph had consulted the members of his Shura. In the time of the Prophet (sws), this offence was punished by punching and kicking the offender, and by beating him with twisted sheets of cloth or with twisted pieces of date-palms. The Caliph Abu Bakr (rta) had decreed that this crime be punishable by forty stripes, and then the Caliph ‘Umar (rta) in his own times increased it to eighty stripes when he saw that people were not desisting from it. In the words of Ibn Rushd:3

فعمدة الجمهور تشاور عمر والصحابة لما كثر في زمانه شرب الخمر واشارة على عليه بان يجعل الحد ثمانين قياسًا على حد الفرية فانه كما قيل عنه رضى الله عنه إذا شرب سكر وإذا سكر هذى وإذا هذى افتري

The general opinion in this regard is based on the consultation of ‘Umar (rta) with the members of his Shura. The session of this Shura took place during his period when people started indulging in this habit more frequently. ‘Ali (rta) opined that, by analogy with the punishment of Qadhf, its punishment should also be fixed at eighty stripes. It is said that while presenting his arguments, he had remarked: ‘When he [– the criminal –] drinks, he will get intoxicated and once he gets intoxicated, he will utter nonsense; and once he starts uttering nonsense, he will falsely accuse other people’.

It is evident from this, that the punishment of drinking is not part of the Shari‘ah. It is only the prerogative of the Prophet (sws) to regard anything as part of the Shari‘ah, and if he has done so in a particular case, Abu Bakr (rta) or ‘Umar (rta) can in no way alter it. Had this punishment been part of the Shari‘ah, Abu Bakr (rta) would never have replaced it with forty stripes, nor would ‘Umar (rta) have increased it to eighty stripes. It is clear that if the Prophet (sws) punished such criminals by beating them, he did so not in the capacity of a law-giver but in the capacity of a Muslim ruler. His successors punished such criminals by whipping them with forty and eighty stripes respectively in their capacity as rulers. Consequently, it can be safely said that the punishment of drinking is not a Hadd; it is a Ta‘zir, which the parliament of an Islamic State can adopt and if needed legislate afresh in this regard.

Ooper akhri sentence ghaour se parhiye jo saari behas ka nichor hai, aur jisko aap urra kar apnay maqsad ka aadha sentence as a "reference" utha laaye.......

Another irrelevent and idiotic comment, insan ko jhoot boltay huay aur wo bhi islam section mein jhoot boltay huay zara c sharam ya apni umar ka lehaaz hi kar lena chaahiye, iss umar mein bhi aap jhoot bolain gey to apnay bachon ko kya sikhain gey ?? Reference pesh kijiye zara.....

Haan Fiqah Hanfi wo azeem fiqah hai jisne Sharab ki saza to door sharab ko hi halal qarar denay ka order jaari kiya hua hai, lekin iss par kisi ki nazar nahin jaaye gi aur jaye gi to aqeedat ki patti k sath aur phir ankhein chura li jaain gi....... ye hoti hai andhi taqleed.....

Fiqah hanfi ki mashoor kitab Hidaya k page 493 par fatwa darj hai "Jo sharab gandum, jau, shehad aur makayi se banayi jaaye to imam abu hanifa k nazdeek wo halal hai aur uskay peenay waalay ko hadh nahin lagayi jaye gi chahay peenay waalay ko nasha hi kyun na aa jaye"

(Laholwalaquwwat)

Phir issi book mein ek aur fatwa mulahiza kijiye, sahib e hidaya irshad farmatay hain

"Issi tarha khajoor aur mankay ki nabeez ko pakanay k baad agar uss mein nasha bhi paida ho jaye to imam abu hanifa aur imam abu yousaf k nazdeek halal hai".

Inn dono aqwaal ko Hidaya k pages k sath kal pesh karon ga, ek aadha fiqra uchak kar nahin balkeh poora page pesh kar k.

Ab batao kon hai raafzi aur paadri ???