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*RAJA*
QUOTE(hussain mavia1 @ May 29 2008, 09:07 PM) *
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bhai yeh sari book main nay ahlayhaq par load kar diay odher say page otha lain.......... beshak........
50 page hain book kay taqriban.............
Gambler1
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ May 30 2008, 03:25 PM) *
bhai yeh sari book main nay ahlayhaq par load kar diay odher say page otha lain.......... beshak........
50 page hain book kay taqriban.............


Assalam-o-alaikum

Raja bhai ager app k pass yeh book scane hai or pages munasib size main mojoodh hain tu plzz yahaan share kara dayin Hc ko
Shadeed zarorat parh chuki hai abb eski ..

Allah pak Jaza-e-khair ata farmayin ameen ..
khan_amer
Munkareen-e-Hadees key definatin kiya hay?

woh log ju her hadees ko ka rad kertay haiN ya woh log ju ahadeees ko un key asnaad aur matan key bunyaad per rd kertay haiN?

Sani-uz-Zikr maiN, Sheikh Al-Hadees Imam Bukhari ka naam bhi ata hay, Ibn-eHajr, Ibn-e-Jozi aur Ibn-e-Hanbal bhi iss qabeelay main shumaar hotay haiN! issi liya iss key explaination buhat zaroori hay.


Hamaray ma'ashray maiN, balkay Mazhab naiN Br'dasht bilkul bhi nahi hay, bunyadi tor per maiN nay "Maizan" ka raasta chor ker intay'pasandi apna lee hay, jin say ham aqeedat rakhtay haiN un key her baat ko bila sochay samjhay tasleem kertay haiN aur jin say anaad rakhtay haiN un key kisi bhi baat per tehqeeq kerna tu kuja uss ko sunnay kay rawadaar nahi haiN.

Iss mein dilchasp amr yeh hay kay Ulema, apnay ham'mazhabooN ( jin kay nazriyaat thoray say mukhtalif hooN) say shadeed nafrat kertay haiN, jab kay ghair mazhab kay logooN say un key muhabat kay darya hamesha bharay rehtay haiN? never knew why! iss comment kay jawab maiN yahaaN per mojood log taweelat talb karaiN gey, un key khidmat main arz hay kay Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...
*RAJA*
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Aug 9 2008, 10:35 AM) *
Munkareen-e-Hadees key definatin kiya hay?

woh log ju her hadees ko ka rad kertay haiN ya woh log ju ahadeees ko un key asnaad aur matan key bunyaad per rd kertay haiN?

Sani-uz-Zikr maiN, Sheikh Al-Hadees Imam Bukhari ka naam bhi ata hay, Ibn-eHajr, Ibn-e-Jozi aur Ibn-e-Hanbal bhi iss qabeelay main shumaar hotay haiN! issi liya iss key explaination buhat zaroori hay.


Hamaray ma'ashray maiN, balkay Mazhab naiN Br'dasht bilkul bhi nahi hay, bunyadi tor per maiN nay "Maizan" ka raasta chor ker intay'pasandi apna lee hay, jin say ham aqeedat rakhtay haiN un key her baat ko bila sochay samjhay tasleem kertay haiN aur jin say anaad rakhtay haiN un key kisi bhi baat per tehqeeq kerna tu kuja uss ko sunnay kay rawadaar nahi haiN.

Iss mein dilchasp amr yeh hay kay Ulema, apnay ham'mazhabooN ( jin kay nazriyaat thoray say mukhtalif hooN) say shadeed nafrat kertay haiN, jab kay ghair mazhab kay logooN say un key muhabat kay darya hamesha bharay rehtay haiN? never knew why! iss comment kay jawab maiN yahaaN per mojood log taweelat talb karaiN gey, un key khidmat main arz hay kay Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...



Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...


MMA ...............MAIN KITNI JIMAAT SHAMIL HAIN khan bhai aap kay ilam main hai?
muhtraum acha hota.. aap topic per baat kartay. keh post karda imge main ju batin ki ghai hain wu theaq nehi...........os per ap koi baat nehi kar rehay
khiar yad rehyeh anbiya as kay ilwa koi masooom nehi ( yeh aap ka biyan hai) HC per..
khan_amer
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Aug 9 2008, 01:07 AM) *
Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...
MMA ...............MAIN KITNI JIMAAT SHAMIL HAIN khan bhai aap kay ilam main hai?
muhtraum acha hota.. aap topic per baat kartay. keh post karda imge main ju batin ki ghai hain wu theaq nehi...........os per ap koi baat nehi kar rehay
khiar yad rehyeh anbiya as kay ilwa koi masooom nehi ( yeh aap ka biyan hai) HC per..


Raja Bhai, app key respect sirf iss liya key jatee hay kay app HC kay founder members maiN say eak haiN, nahi tu aaj tak ap key baatooN maiN na tu mantaq ka guzr howa aur na daleel say app nay koy baat key. MMA jaisi jamataiN Ulema key hawas-e-iqtaydaar ka munh bolta saboot haiN, bilkul Aniya kay illawa koy masoom nahi,

Baqi raha topic tu app nay as usual topic parha hi nahi, tu app ko relevant reply kahaaN nazr aaye ga.
*RAJA*
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Aug 10 2008, 03:37 AM) *
Raja Bhai, app key respect sirf iss liya key jatee hay kay app HC kay founder members maiN say eak haiN, nahi tu aaj tak ap key baatooN maiN na tu mantaq ka guzr howa aur na daleel say app nay koy baat key. MMA jaisi jamataiN Ulema key hawas-e-iqtaydaar ka munh bolta saboot haiN, bilkul Aniya kay illawa koy masoom nahi,

Baqi raha topic tu app nay as usual topic parha hi nahi, tu app ko relevant reply kahaaN nazr aaye ga.


muhtraum bhai kiay main nay eysi baat ki keh ? respesct etc............?
rehi baat mantaq daleel...................
tu jiab hai lol
abu jahil sub koch dekhnay kay baad bhi abu jahil raha........

mma ka hilwa kiyoun diya?main nay

aap kay ilfaz...plz

dekhain.....
Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...
yeh thyeyh aap kay ilfaz main any os per koch baat ki...........
chalin quran or hadis say sabit kar dain keh america etc jana bora hai mana hai kufer hai
plz
plz
apni sui ko aik taf TU rakhain ta keh baat karnyeh main asani ho............

Imranrana1977
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khan_amer
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Aug 10 2008, 12:21 AM) *
muhtraum bhai kiay main nay eysi baat ki keh ? respesct etc............?
rehi baat mantaq daleel...................
tu jiab hai lol
abu jahil sub koch dekhnay kay baad bhi abu jahil raha........

mma ka hilwa kiyoun diya?main nay

aap kay ilfaz...plz

dekhain.....
Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...
yeh thyeyh aap kay ilfaz main any os per koch baat ki...........
chalin quran or hadis say sabit kar dain keh america etc jana bora hai mana hai kufer hai
plz
plz
apni sui ko aik taf TU rakhain ta keh baat karnyeh main asani ho............



Very Funny Raja bhai,

MMA kis key takhleek thee aur yeh sab Ulema ( inhay ulema kehlatay howay sharm aani chahiyee) sirf kursi kay chakar maiN ikhatay howay thay, aur iss power sharing kay chaker nay inhay apnay deeni ikhtaylafaat ko pas-e-pusht dalnay per majboor kiya.

App kay yeh naam nihaad ulema, munafqat key behtreen misaal banay rahay, saRkooN per Go Musharaf Go kay naray lagatay rahay aur Assembly maiN Musharaf kay haath mazboot kertay rahay.

Jab sari Parties eak point per mutafiq howeeN tu app kay Molaza Fazlo urf Diesal rang main bhang dalnay puhanch gey. Yeh thee in kay aapus maiN mil baithnay key wajaah, na kay Islam key tarveej aur Pakistan key fikr.

Misaal bhi dee tu kin key,

Ab zara topic per bhi baat ker laiN, meray comments/sawal ka app nay abhi tak kisi bhi topic maiN jawab nahi diya aur yahaaN per MMA jaisay munafiqooN ko example bana diya, agr yeh log app kay liya mashal-e-rah haiN tu sirf app kay liya dua hi key ja saktee hay, na kay behas.
Imranrana1977
back to the topic..
asim10
[quote name='khan_amer' date='Aug 8 2008, 05:35 PM' post='3013241']
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Munkareen-e-Hadees key definatin kiya hay?

woh log ju her hadees ko ka rad kertay haiN ya woh log ju ahadeees ko un key asnaad aur matan key bunyaad per rd kertay haiN?

khan amar bahi app buhat achee tarah samjhtay hain kay yeh topic kis say mutalik hay.
her hadith ko rad karna aour asnad ya matan ke bunyad per rad karna,do alaihda alaihda mozo hain.
pehlay tabkay kay tehat ,pervaiz and compnay atee hay.jo her hadith ko apnee aqal ke bunyad per rad kartay hain
aour dosray tabkay kay tehat ulema aour mohaditheen ka woh tabqa ata hay.jo in ahdith ke jaanch parta kata tha.aour un ke authenticity batata tha.
is leyai app ka yeh pochna bara ajeeb sa laga.
agar to yeh topic agay barhanay kay leyai sawal thay to buhat ache baat hay.
aour agar yeh app kay naziyat ke akasi hay to main
yeh kahoon gha
kay shayad app bhee kisi na kisi had tak pervaiz sahib ke taleemat say mutasir hain
abb is ke wazahat app khud kar saktay hain.

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Sani-uz-Zikr maiN, Sheikh Al-Hadees Imam Bukhari ka naam bhi ata hay, Ibn-eHajr, Ibn-e-Jozi aur Ibn-e-Hanbal bhi iss qabeelay main shumaar hotay haiN! issi liya iss key explaination buhat zaroori hay.

main nay kuch explain nation kar dee maira khiyal hay kay is say app mutafiq hee hoon ghay.inshallah

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Hamaray ma'ashray maiN, balkay Mazhab naiN Br'dasht bilkul bhi nahi hay, bunyadi tor per maiN nay "Maizan" ka raasta chor ker intay'pasandi apna lee hay,

plz app maacharay per to yeh ilzam laga saktay hain mazhab ya deen per nahin.
aour mairay bahi jab tak app kisi cheez ke inteha tak nahin punchay app us ke haqeeqi rooh nahin pa saktay .

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jin say ham aqeedat rakhtay haiN un key her baat ko bila sochay samjhay tasleem kertay haiN aur jin say anaad rakhtay haiN un key kisi bhi baat per tehqeeq kerna tu kuja uss ko sunnay kay rawadaar nahi haiN.

g yeh baat to app ke bilkul theek hay aour aisa nahin hona chaheya.

CODE
Iss mein dilchasp amr yeh hay kay Ulema, apnay ham'mazhabooN ( jin kay nazriyaat thoray say mukhtalif hooN) say shadeed nafrat kertay haiN, jab kay ghair mazhab kay logooN say un key muhabat kay darya hamesha bharay rehtay haiN? never knew why! iss comment kay jawab maiN yahaaN per mojood log taweelat talb karaiN gey, un key khidmat main arz hay kay Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...

abb app mazhab say siyasat ke taraf chalay gaiya.jo kay theek nahin.plz jab mazhab ke baat ho miyar mazhab he hona chahyai
aour jab siyasat ke baat ho to siysat he honee chaheya
humara masala yeh kay kay hum her us shakhs ko jo apnay app ko alim kehta hay aik miyar bana kar islam ko naptay hain.aour agar us alim sahib ke kowee baat ghalt kaheen nazar aa ja aiy to ,us shakhs ke mazkoora ghaltee ko isalm say relate kar diya jata hay kay yeh molvi to hotay hee aisay hain
laikin yeh aik intehayee ghalt rawish hay jo ajj humaray moasharay main aam ho chukee hay.ulema ka aik moqam hota hay ,aour her shakhs ko us moqam per rakh kar ulema ke bayizatee karna achee baat nahin
inshallah baqi baat app kay jawab kay baa ho ghee.


Imranrana1977
asim bahye eap nay bilkul sahi kaha. eih abid ( ibadet kernay wala) jo sari rat ibadet kary aur eik alim jo sirf so raha hoo woh alim us abid per ziyada fokyet me ho ga. kiuoon kay us ky pass ilm hey . is liye ulimaye haque per ungliyan uthana kitna bara gunaah ho ga
*RAJA*
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Aug 9 2008, 10:35 AM) *
Munkareen-e-Hadees key definatin kiya hay?

woh log ju her hadees ko ka rad kertay haiN ya woh log ju ahadeees ko un key asnaad aur matan key bunyaad per rd kertay haiN?

Sani-uz-Zikr maiN, Sheikh Al-Hadees Imam Bukhari ka naam bhi ata hay, Ibn-eHajr, Ibn-e-Jozi aur Ibn-e-Hanbal bhi iss qabeelay main shumaar hotay haiN! issi liya iss key explaination buhat zaroori hay.


Hamaray ma'ashray maiN, balkay Mazhab naiN Br'dasht bilkul bhi nahi hay, bunyadi tor per maiN nay "Maizan" ka raasta chor ker intay'pasandi apna lee hay, jin say ham aqeedat rakhtay haiN un key her baat ko bila sochay samjhay tasleem kertay haiN aur jin say anaad rakhtay haiN un key kisi bhi baat per tehqeeq kerna tu kuja uss ko sunnay kay rawadaar nahi haiN.

Iss mein dilchasp amr yeh hay kay Ulema, apnay ham'mazhabooN ( jin kay nazriyaat thoray say mukhtalif hooN) say shadeed nafrat kertay haiN, jab kay ghair mazhab kay logooN say un key muhabat kay darya hamesha bharay rehtay haiN? never knew why! iss comment kay jawab maiN yahaaN per mojood log taweelat talb karaiN gey, un key khidmat main arz hay kay Pakistan samait duniya bhr kay Muslmaan alim apnay ham'mazhab kay saath tu nahi baith saktay lakin Europe aur America janay kay liya ghantooN line maiN kharay rehtay haiN...



kiya quran pak main ziker hai keh yeh hadis theaq hai ya hadis ki books main hai keh yeh hadis tehaq hai....
yeh sub kis nay hamin bitya kiya wu masoom thyeh?
jinab aap apni aik terer karda baat kay ander phnas ghyeh hain............ bar bar pochta houn koi jiwab nehi milta aap ki taruf say ..........

jesa keh main nay pehlyeh bola tha kiya waqai aap khan hain ya just suliman khan amir khan ya shah rukh khan ki tara hai .....................................
khan bain jinab.....................bhalyeh say changhaiz khan ban jain sanu ki poster_oops.gif
khan_amer
[quote name='asim10' date='Aug 11 2008, 01:49 PM' post='3016165']


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khan amar bahi app buhat achee tarah samjhtay hain kay yeh topic kis say mutalik hay.
her hadith ko rad karna aour asnad ya matan ke bunyad per rad karna,do alaihda alaihda mozo hain.
pehlay tabkay kay tehat ,pervaiz and compnay atee hay.jo her hadith ko apnee aqal ke bunyad per rad kartay hain
aour dosray tabkay kay tehat ulema aour mohaditheen ka woh tabqa ata hay.jo in ahdith ke jaanch parta kata tha.aour un ke authenticity batata tha.
is leyai app ka yeh pochna bara ajeeb sa laga.
agar to yeh topic agay barhanay kay leyai sawal thay to buhat ache baat hay.
aour agar yeh app kay naziyat ke akasi hay to main
yeh kahoon gha
kay shayad app bhee kisi na kisi had tak pervaiz sahib ke taleemat say mutasir hain
abb is ke wazahat app khud kar saktay hain.


Na hi maiN janta hooN kay app kay dil maiN kya hay? na'hi assume kernay key koshish kertay hooN, aur na'hi logooN kay propoganday say mutasir ho ker kisi kay baray maiN koy raye kayem kerta hooN, Quran-e-Pak maiN aya hay kay, Aay Ahl-e-Iman, Bd'gumaniyooN say bacho, kyoN buhat c Bd'gumaniyaan kufr tk lay jateeN haiN, chooNkay maiN app key aur app kay ahbaab key batooN per ankhaiN band ker kay aitbaar kerta, shayad issi liya app ko gumaan guzra kay maiN pervaizi hooN, app kay gumaan app ko mubarik ho, Kaash kay app nay mera reply parh ker samjhnay key bhi koshish key hoti, per meray khayal say ( ju kay ghalat bhi ho sakta hay, per app kay above reply kay nateejay main qayam howa) app nay meray pervaizi honay key raye iss liya banaye kay imranrana aur aiasy membran say main ay Sunni mazhab kay mutaliq kuch sawalaat ker liya jin kay jawabaat in say na bn paRay aur yeh mujh per lanat malaamaat aur tanz kernay lagay.



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plz app maacharay per to yeh ilzam laga saktay hain mazhab ya deen per nahin.
aour mairay bahi jab tak app kisi cheez ke inteha tak nahin punchay app us ke haqeeqi rooh nahin pa saktay .


tu app kehna chahtay haiN kay hamara mashara buhat mo'tadil ra'viya ka hamil hay? baat sunnay kay rawadaar nahi, ju assumption qayem ker laiN uss kay khilaaf daleel anay per sekh'pa hona, dala'el paish kernay walay ko pervaizi kehna ya samjhna, ya ussay kafir qarar dayna yeh sab eak normal society maiN tu mumkin nahi, haaN agr app nay NORMAL-SOCIETY key deifnation change ker dee hay tu aur baat hay.

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g yeh baat to app ke bilkul theek hay aour aisa nahin hona chaheya.


app ka amal app key baat say mail nahi khata! ( uper apni hi post daikh laiN)


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abb app mazhab say siyasat ke taraf chalay gaiya.jo kay theek nahin.plz jab mazhab ke baat ho miyar mazhab he hona chahyai
aour jab siyasat ke baat ho to siysat he honee chaheya
humara masala yeh kay kay hum her us shakhs ko jo apnay app ko alim kehta hay aik miyar bana kar islam ko naptay hain.aour agar us alim sahib ke kowee baat ghalt kaheen nazar aa ja aiy to ,us shakhs ke mazkoora ghaltee ko isalm say relate kar diya jata hay kay yeh molvi to hotay hee aisay hain
laikin yeh aik intehayee ghalt rawish hay jo ajj humaray moasharay main aam ho chukee hay.ulema ka aik moqam hota hay ,aour her shakhs ko us moqam per rakh kar ulema ke bayizatee karna achee baat nahin
inshallah baqi baat app kay jawab kay baa ho ghee.[/b]


Aalim agr haqeei ho tu society kay rehmat hota hay nahi tu Azaab-e-Illahi, app nay kaha kay ulema ko syasat maiN na ghaseetooN, meray bhai, kiya MMA maiN Ulema shamil nahi thay, iss say bhi peechay chalaiN ulema-e-karam Pakistan tak kay mukhalif thay , kyoN kay issay eak Clean Shave nay propose kiya tha aur dosra CLEAN SHAVE issay bana raha tha, iss say bhi peechay chalaiN tu Khilafat ko malookiyat banannay maiN in ka kirdaar koy dhaki chupi baat nahi hay. Imam Bukhari nay eak mukhtasir arsay maiN lakhooN key tadaad maiN ahadees ko modo'o keh kr zada ker diya, kiya yeh zayad shuda ahadees ulema ka hi product nahi theeN? Syasat khastor per Islami Riyasat maiN mazhab syasat say door nahi rek saktee, kyoN kay Islam mukamal mazhab hay, nay kay koy infaraadi issue.


I don't know kay app bhi Gambler, RAJA aur Imranrana key tarah mujh per tanz, aur lanat aur malamat , ya bay-sar.o.pa jawabat day ker time hi zaya kerna chahtay haiN ya topic chalana chahtay haiN, app kay ju bhi irada hay kindly uss sy agaah ker daiN, ta'kay maiN iss topic maiN participate kernay ya na kernay ka decision lay sakooN.
khan_amer
QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Aug 12 2008, 01:13 AM) *
kiya quran pak main ziker hai keh yeh hadis theaq hai ya hadis ki books main hai keh yeh hadis tehaq hai....
yeh sub kis nay hamin bitya kiya wu masoom thyeh?
jinab aap apni aik terer karda baat kay ander phnas ghyeh hain............ bar bar pochta houn koi jiwab nehi milta aap ki taruf say ..........

jesa keh main nay pehlyeh bola tha kiya waqai aap khan hain ya just suliman khan amir khan ya shah rukh khan ki tara hai .....................................
khan bain jinab.....................bhalyeh say changhaiz khan ban jain sanu ki poster_oops.gif


App say yeh umeed bhi hargiz nahi thee kay app uper pochi gayee kisi bhi baat ka jawab day sakaiN gey,

baraye mehrbani zaatiyaat say perhaiz karaiN, yeh iss amr key daleel hay kay ab app kay pass aur koy bi jawab nahi bacha. shia bhi zatiyaat per buhat kam utartay haiN, app tu shayad un say bhi do haath agay nikal gey haiN.
Imranrana1977
lo gi post kerny say pehly iek kissa suno mery father in law ka kissa hay.
meray father in law. joi kay saudia me mukeem hien. pehly theek thak tahy per aj kal woh ajeeb mazdhab kay taref chaly gaye hien. woh her baat me kiuoon (why) lagaty hien yeh kahan kaba kiuoon hay yeh quran me kiuoon yeh likha hay yeh insan merna kay baad kiuoon zinda hota hay etc.etc.. un jessi soch kay bandy aaj her jaga per hine. yeh hay shtan ki chalien. ab may apny father in law ko samjhaoon to mujh ko kiuoon mme uljah dettty hien jis ka mery pass koyee jawab nahi hota. kiuoon nahi hota. kiuoon kay woh kiuoon jiss ko ALLAh nay na pasend fermaya hay . kay sawal per sawal jis ka jawab na ban paye. me to un kay liya dua hi kerta hoon.
yahee haal amer bahye ka hay. kiuoon. je han kiuoon. in ko yeh nahi pata kay hum biddet say door ambia (AS) say piyar shaba kram say piyar taba tabyeen say piyar. shirk say door. kiya yeh sabit ker sakty hien imam abu hanifa nay biddet ki taref mail kiya shirk ko tarweej banaya. apan alag deen banaya to in ka kaiya haque hay beghier kissi bat kay un say bughz rakhan .in ko koyee haque nahi kay un per tankeed kary ager koye masla hay apny alim kay pass jaien.
oh alim. me nay kaha na kay assey insaan khud hi alim bany bethy hoty hien. jo faltoo books perh ker alim ban bethy. poster_oops.gif

sorry yaroon kiya karoon kissi ki toheen berdasht nahi hoti na eusa_dance.gif
asim10
asa
app bhee tashadad pasnd he niklay.
apnay mairee post ka jawab to baray ghusay main diya hay per shayad sahih nahin diya. app kehtay hain.
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Na hi maiN janta hooN kay app kay dil maiN kya hay? na'hi assume kernay key koshish kertay hooN, aur na'hi logooN kay propoganday say mutasir ho ker kisi kay baray maiN koy raye kayem kerta hooN,

aour yeh app nay mairee is post ko code karnay kay baad likha
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khan amar bahi app buhat achee tarah samjhtay hain kay yeh topic kis say mutalik hay.
her hadith ko rad karna aour asnad ya matan ke bunyad per rad karna,do alaihda alaihda mozo hain

abb main nahin samjhta kay app itnay sada insann hain kay app ko pata he na chala kay yeh topic kis say mutaliq hay.yeh baat main is leyai keh raha hoon kay app nay apni aik post main likha tha.
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Munkareen-e-Hadees key definatin kiya hay?

woh log ju her hadees ko ka rad kertay haiN ya woh log ju ahadeees ko un key asnaad aur matan key bunyaad per rd kertay haiN?

abb aik aam fehm admi bhee is topic ko dekh kar bata sakta hay yeh kis say mutaliq hay.
app kay pervaizi honay ka main nay nahin kaha bulkay app say pocha hay kay kaheen app us say mutsir too nahin
haan app ka jawab agar un dostoon nay nahin diya to is ka yeh matalb nahin kay app kay sawaloon ka jawab hee nahi hay kisi kay pass.
abb apnay sawal kiya hain yeh to mujhay nahin pata magar fiqhi swalat per jhagara karna hum nay apnay apnay ulema say sikha hay , aour apnay ulema ke is harkat per main to kam az kam buhat sharminda hoon(dono taraf kay ulema say )
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tu app kehna chahtay haiN kay hamara mashara buhat mo'tadil ra'viya ka hamil hay? baat sunnay kay rawadaar nahi, ju assumption qayem ker laiN uss kay khilaaf daleel anay per sekh'pa hona, dala'el paish kernay walay ko pervaizi kehna ya samjhna, ya ussay kafir qarar dayna yeh sab eak normal society maiN tu mumkin nahi, haaN agr app nay NORMAL-SOCIETY key deifnation change ker dee hay tu aur baat hay

yehee to main nay kaha hay kay humara maoshara humree islami taleemat kay mutabik nahin.pata nahin app nay kis baat ka jawab diya. hay.
khan sahib app ko pata he nahin hota kay app kiay likha rahay hain bus likhtay jatay hain .
daikhain main nay kiya likha
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abb app mazhab say siyasat ke taraf chalay gaiya.jo kay theek nahin.plz jab mazhab ke baat ho miyar mazhab he hona chahyai
aour jab siyasat ke baat ho to siysat he honee chaheya

aour app is ka kiya jawab daitay hain
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Aalim agr haqeei ho tu society kay rehmat hota hay nahi tu Azaab-e-Illahi, app nay kaha kay ulema ko syasat maiN na ghaseetooN,

yeh dono ke mukhtalif batain hain , app nay maira kowee na kowee jawab daina tha is leyai kuch na kuch likh diya.warna to main nay yeh baat hee nahi kee jo app keh rahay hain
aour app to phir wohee baat kar rahay hain kay shakhsiyat ko miyar bana kar islam per baat kar rahay hain.
asim10
[quote name='khan_amer' date='Aug 17 2008, 12:09 PM' post='3021960']
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, iss say bhi peechay chalaiN tu Khilafat ko malookiyat banannay maiN in ka kirdaar koy dhaki chupi baat nahi hay.

plz apni is baat wazahat karain.
kiuon kay jis daour ke baat app kar rahay hain us daour main kowee aour nahin tha sahaba rz thay.
aour malookiyat main kowee burayee ho to bata dain plz quran o sunnat ke roo say.

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Imam Bukhari nay eak mukhtasir arsay maiN lakhooN key tadaad maiN ahadees ko modo'o keh kr zada ker diya, kiya yeh zayad shuda ahadees ulema ka hi product nahi theeN?

app ka yeh kehna kay "aik mukhtasir arsa main ",aik tanziya jumla hay .aour yeh aitraz aam taour per pervaizii hee kiya kartay hain.
plz kiya app imam bukhari ke woh statement dikha saktay hain jis main unhoon ,un ahdith ko modo keh kar chor diya hoo.
g nahin yeh ulema ke product nahin theen.us daour main to her skakhs hadith sunna nay laga tha ,isi leyai too ilm rijaal maa'razay wajood main aya.
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Syasat khastor per Islami Riyasat maiN mazhab syasat say door nahi rek saktee, kyoN kay Islam mukamal mazhab hay, nay kay koy infaraadi issue.

khan g app ko shayad pata he nahin app kiya keh rahay hoo.
app ajj ke mma ke siyasat ko sahaba aour mohaditheen kay daour say mila rahay hoo.
khan g khair to hay.
khan_amer
QUOTE(asim10 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:02 PM) *
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app bhee tashadad pasnd he niklay.
apnay mairee post ka jawab to baray ghusay main diya hay per shayad sahih nahin diya. app kehtay hain.
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Na hi maiN janta hooN kay app kay dil maiN kya hay? na'hi assume kernay key koshish kertay hooN, aur na'hi logooN kay propoganday say mutasir ho ker kisi kay baray maiN koy raye kayem kerta hooN,

aour yeh app nay mairee is post ko code karnay kay baad likha
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khan amar bahi app buhat achee tarah samjhtay hain kay yeh topic kis say mutalik hay.
her hadith ko rad karna aour asnad ya matan ke bunyad per rad karna,do alaihda alaihda mozo hain

abb main nahin samjhta kay app itnay sada insann hain kay app ko pata he na chala kay yeh topic kis say mutaliq hay.yeh baat main is leyai keh raha hoon kay app nay apni aik post main likha tha.
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Munkareen-e-Hadees key definatin kiya hay?

woh log ju her hadees ko ka rad kertay haiN ya woh log ju ahadeees ko un key asnaad aur matan key bunyaad per rd kertay haiN?

abb aik aam fehm admi bhee is topic ko dekh kar bata sakta hay yeh kis say mutaliq hay.
app kay pervaizi honay ka main nay nahin kaha bulkay app say pocha hay kay kaheen app us say mutsir too nahin
haan app ka jawab agar un dostoon nay nahin diya to is ka yeh matalb nahin kay app kay sawaloon ka jawab hee nahi hay kisi kay pass.
abb apnay sawal kiya hain yeh to mujhay nahin pata magar fiqhi swalat per jhagara karna hum nay apnay apnay ulema say sikha hay , aour apnay ulema ke is harkat per main to kam az kam buhat sharminda hoon(dono taraf kay ulema say )
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tu app kehna chahtay haiN kay hamara mashara buhat mo'tadil ra'viya ka hamil hay? baat sunnay kay rawadaar nahi, ju assumption qayem ker laiN uss kay khilaaf daleel anay per sekh'pa hona, dala'el paish kernay walay ko pervaizi kehna ya samjhna, ya ussay kafir qarar dayna yeh sab eak normal society maiN tu mumkin nahi, haaN agr app nay NORMAL-SOCIETY key deifnation change ker dee hay tu aur baat hay

yehee to main nay kaha hay kay humara maoshara humree islami taleemat kay mutabik nahin.pata nahin app nay kis baat ka jawab diya. hay.
khan sahib app ko pata he nahin hota kay app kiay likha rahay hain bus likhtay jatay hain .
daikhain main nay kiya likha
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abb app mazhab say siyasat ke taraf chalay gaiya.jo kay theek nahin.plz jab mazhab ke baat ho miyar mazhab he hona chahyai
aour jab siyasat ke baat ho to siysat he honee chaheya

aour app is ka kiya jawab daitay hain
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Aalim agr haqeei ho tu society kay rehmat hota hay nahi tu Azaab-e-Illahi, app nay kaha kay ulema ko syasat maiN na ghaseetooN,

yeh dono ke mukhtalif batain hain , app nay maira kowee na kowee jawab daina tha is leyai kuch na kuch likh diya.warna to main nay yeh baat hee nahi kee jo app keh rahay hain
aour app to phir wohee baat kar rahay hain kay shakhsiyat ko miyar bana kar islam per baat kar rahay hain.


App key sari post paRhnay kay baad maiN issi nateejay per puhancha hooN kay app key posts ka jawab kam us kam maiN nahi day sakta, iss key kuch wajhoohat haiN, jin maiN say sar-e-fehrisht yeh hay kay app jab bhi reply quote kertay haiN tu ussay sayaq.o.sabaaq baghair daikhtay haiN, ab yeh ya tu app jan bojh per kertay haiN ( kay agr puri baat ko quote karaiN tu app key post nahi bantee) ya phir app haiN hi aisay, MMA key jis baat ko app hujt bana rahay aur mujh per Ilzaam laga rahay haiN kay maiN MMA ko sahaba kay dor say mila raha hooN, iss say baRa mazaak aur koy ho nahi sakta, kal bhi app nay mujh per jhottay ilzaamaat lagaye aur pochnay baghlaiN jhanknay lagay, aaj bhi apni samajh kay hisab say ulta seedha bayan ker rahay haiN, pata nahi app key adat hay ya phir app jan boojh per aisa ker rahay haiN, ju bhi case hay, app ko reply ker kay maiN apna waqt barbaad nahi kerna chahta, as yeh baat tu yahaaN issi forum per sabit ho chuki hay kay app aur app kay jumla ahbaab, kisi ILMI nuktay per behas kernay kay kabil nahi haiN, haaN ayaiN bayaiN shayaiN kernay maiN aur dosrooN kay ghair-muslim qaraar daynay maiN eak dosray say sabqat lay janay key koshish maiN rehtay haiN.

HC per maiN pehlay bhi sirf sangeeda mubahisooN maiN hi hisa liya kerta tha, aur ab bhi yehi karooN ga, ghalati yehi howi kay maiN nay app logooN key posts nahi paRheeN theeN agr paRheeN hoti tu qata'n app logooN ko quote kernay key ghalati na kerta, app say iltaymaas hay app ju bhi samjhaiN, jaisa bhi samjhaiN aur jahaaN bhi samjhaiN, agr app kay mutaliq ho tu ussay jaisay marzi paRhaiN, likhaiN ya ju marzi ayr karaiN, agr kisi aur meray baray maiN hu tu zara tol ker baat key jiye ga. kyoN kay app say logooN say ab maiN behas nahi karooN ga balkay case bana ker admins ko forward ker dooN ga. aur jaisay Jhootay ilzaamaat app log laga chukay haiN, uss per phir woh janay aur app.

Eak aur arz hay kay, meray topics aur reply ko quote na key'jiye ga, as yeh app key samajh kay level say uper hotay haiN, 2ndly app sangeeda reply kernay say aari haiN aur ab say maiN ghair sanjeeda replies ko ignore kernay key policy per hi karband rahooN ga.

asim10
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khan amar ,app ke batooon say yeh lagta hay kay app kisi khushfehmi ka shikar hay.berh hall aik doo batain ap kay jawab main likhta hoo.
app kehtay hainn
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, iss key kuch wajhoohat haiN, jin maiN say sar-e-fehrisht yeh hay kay app jab bhi reply quote kertay haiN tu ussay sayaq.o.sabaaq baghair daikhtay haiN,

mairee tamam post dekh lain .main taqreeban her her line code tags main likh kar jawab daita hoon ,is kay bawajood bhee yhe kehna bara ajeeb lata hay kay main bay siyaq o sabaq say hat ker baat karta hoon
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HC per maiN pehlay bhi sirf sangeeda mubahisooN maiN hi hisa liya kerta tha, aur ab bhi yehi karooN ga, ghalati yehi howi kay maiN nay app logooN key posts nahi paRheeN theeN agr paRheeN hoti tu qata'n app logooN ko quote kernay key ghalati na kerta, app say iltaymaas hay app ju bhi samjhaiN, jaisa bhi samjhaiN aur jahaaN bhi samjhaiN, agr app kay mutaliq ho tu ussay jaisay marzi paRhaiN, likhaiN ya ju marzi ayr karaiN, agr kisi aur meray baray maiN hu tu zara tol ker baat key jiye ga. kyoN kay app say logooN say ab maiN behas nahi karooN ga balkay case bana ker admins ko forward ker dooN ga. aur jaisay Jhootay ilzaamaat app log laga chukay haiN, uss per phir woh janay aur app.

aour mujh say yeh ghalti howee kay app jaisay shakhs say behs karnay baith gaiya jis ko kisi ko mukhtib karna ka tareeqa bhee nahin ata
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Eak aur arz hay kay, meray topics aur reply ko quote na key'jiye ga, as yeh app key samajh kay level say uper hotay haiN, 2ndly app sangeeda reply kernay say aari haiN aur ab say maiN ghair sanjeeda replies ko ignore kernay key policy per hi karband rahooN ga.

sanjeeda topic kis qisam kay hotay hain plz zara is ke wazahat kar dain.

asal main app jaisay insan ka masala yeh hay kay app ghusa main kuch likh jatay hain ,aour jab us baray main pocha ja aiy to lajawab honay ke wajah say app ghusa main aa jatay hain.
aour phir jawab dainay ke baja aiy ,apnay mukhalif per batoon say apni bartaree sabit kar kay ,rah aiy farar ekhtiyar kar laitay hain.
app kay sath bhee yehee howa hay. main ghalti say ,app he ke dee howee quotation per kuch sawal kar baitha aour abb un ka jawab dainay ke bajaiy, yeh sub kuch likh diya.main nay app say abb tak 3 sawal poch hain
1.ap nay kaha sunni hilal kay nishan ko mutbarak samjhta hain,aour main nay is ke daleel mang lee.wahan app nay jawab nahin diya.
2.isi post main app nay malookiyat ko ulema ke siyasat qara diya ,main is ka ref mang liya ,to app nay jawab nahin diya.
3.app nay bukhari kay mutalik likha kay aik mukhtasir arsa main itni hadithain jama bhee kar leen aour phir un main say kayee lakh ko mojo qarar diya.main is sisilay main ap say ref mang liya per app nay wahan bhee jawab nahin diya

aour is ke bajaiay is post main apna ghusa niklanay per ektifa kiya. bher hall mera maqsad na app say laraye hay na main kisi bher bilwajah sawal kar ta hoon , agar app hum logon say behs nahin karna chahtay to phir hum bhee app say kowee baat nahin karain ghay ,inshallah
*RAJA*
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Aug 18 2008, 05:11 AM) *
App say yeh umeed bhi hargiz nahi thee kay app uper pochi gayee kisi bhi baat ka jawab day sakaiN gey,

baraye mehrbani zaatiyaat say perhaiz karaiN, yeh iss amr key daleel hay kay ab app kay pass aur koy bi jawab nahi bacha. shia bhi zatiyaat per buhat kam utartay haiN, app tu shayad un say bhi do haath agay nikal gey haiN.



aap pochain or main na pochoaun?
kis hadis mian hai or kis ayaat main..............
kiya aap masoom hain?
jiwab aap nay kisi bhi meri bat ka nehi diya......................
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QUOTE(*RAJA* @ Aug 20 2008, 02:58 AM) *
aap pochain or main na pochoaun?
kis hadis mian hai or kis ayaat main..............
kiya aap masoom hain?
jiwab aap nay kisi bhi meri bat ka nehi diya......................
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