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FATIMA4U
SALAM TO ALL !

Kahtay Hain Kay Aurat Ke Sharm-o-Haya Us Ke Ankh Main Hote Hai.Lakin Aaj Kal Halat Is Kay Bilkul Bar Aks Hain.Kal Tak Jo Larki Nazrain Jhuka Kar Baat Karte The.Aaj Ankh Main Ankhon Main Ankhain Daal Kar Ghair Mardon Say Is Terah Baat Karte Hai Kay Sunnay Wala Laja Jay Or Nazrain Jhukanay Per Majboor Ho Jay.
Kal Tak Jo Larki Dupata Orhay Dunya Ke Nazron Say Khud Ko CHupa Kar Rakha Karte The Aaj Is Sharm-o-Haya Tanqeed-e-Nigah Say Dekha Jata Hai. Or Jo Larke Bare Be Bake Say Ankhon Ke Zaban Bolay,Apni Numaish Ke Khatir Dupat-e-Ko Pas-e-Pusht Daal Day,Apnay Libas Ke Tarash Kharash Is Terha Ke Jate Hai Kay Anser Baqe Rahay.Is Ko Jiddat Kaha Jata Hai.

Kuch Logon Kay Khayal Main Is Jiddat Ko Zamanay Kay Hisab Say CHilnay Ka Maqola Kaha Jata Hai.Zara Sahib-e-Aqal Logon Say Poocha Jay Kay Apnay Jismane Aza Ke Namood-o-Numaish Ke Khatir Apni Ikhlaqi Or Islami Qadron Ke Pamali Jiddat Hai ya Fahashi..?

Olad Ko Beja Azadi Dainay Ka Sab Say Ziada Zimay Daar Waldain Hain,Jo Apni Olad Ko Is Rawish Per Chalnay Say Nahin Roktay.Aisay Waldain Jo Zamanay Kay Sath Chalnay Kay Chakar Main Apni Ankhon Per Behayae Ke Pati Bandh Laitay Hain Un Ko Aaj Ke Dunya Main Parhe Likhe Modern Family Kaha Jata Hai.
Who Log Jo Zamanay Kay Sath Chalnay Ke Dor Main Shamil Hotay Hain,Aisay Log Aksar Mun Kay Bal Girtay Hain Or Apni Akhrat Bhe Kharab Kartay Hain.Jay Kay Who Log Zamanay Kay Sath Chaltay Huay Bhe Apni Qadron Ko Sath Rakhay Huay Hain.Un Ko Tang Nazar Kaha Jata Hai. Jab Kay Dar Haqeeqat Aisay Log Jo Dunya Ke Namod-o-Numaish Main Gum Ho Kay Apni Akhrat Ko Bhooltay Nahin Hain Balkay Deen Or Dunya Sath Lay Kar Chaltay Hain Un Ko Akhrat Main Bohot Ajar Milay Ga.

"AISA FASHION JO MERD KI MERDANGI AUR AUR KI ZANANGII KI TAZLEEL KARAY BAIS-E-SHERMINDAGI HAI"

HAYYA NAHIN HAI ZAMAN-E-KII AANKH MEIN BAQI
KHUDA KARAY TERI JAWANII RAHAY BAY-DAGH
MERI ZINDAGI KA MAQSAD MERE DEEN KII SERFARAZII
MEIN ISSI LIEY MUSLMAAN MEIN ISSI LIEY NAMAZII ..
Kashif
sahi kaha hay
ALLAH hum sab ko apni values ki hifazat karnay ki taufeeq dey (Aamin)
Wisdom
Dear Fatima,
Asalam-0-alaqum...

I liked the article you wrote.
It is true that women should use eye contact with other people but in Modern society.
You know Fatima (I love your name) eyes have their own language, & eyes always show the feelings deep inside your heart. If a person male or female has really faith on Allah & has fear of Allah then you can see their eyes have shine of truth & not fake shine. Fatima in my life few years back I was a very very shy personality & never talked to men with bold eye contact, but I realized that people thought I am a personality with no confidence & I cannot do anything, even my teachers talked to my parents that she is a very shy personality.......I have to suffer with many difficulties because I was old type person......

When I came here at US.....people criticized my culture & thought perhaps women are not treated well in our culture thats why I dont have any confidence......I decided to change myself.......Here I dress up according to our Islamic traditions but I talk to people with eye to eye contact. I have believe on Allah....that your inner strength & faith is always our shine of eyes...... I see people listen you & respect your ideas.

If you have purity in your heart then it changes the attitude of other people. Showing off your fake confidence & talking more about stupid things ruin the image of strong & intelligent personality. We should follow some good things from other cultures but knowing the depth of that attitude or fashion but never ever leave your values.
FATIMA4U
QUOTE(Wisdom @ Jun 16 2008, 11:42 PM) *
Dear Fatima,
Asalam-0-alaqum...

I liked the article you wrote.
It is true that women should use eye contact with other people but in Modern society.
You know Fatima (I love your name) eyes have their own language, & eyes always show the feelings deep inside your heart. If a person male or female has really faith on Allah & has fear of Allah then you can see their eyes have shine of truth & not fake shine. Fatima in my life few years back I was a very very shy personality & never talked to men with bold eye contact, but I realized that people thought I am a personality with no confidence & I cannot do anything, even my teachers talked to my parents that she is a very shy personality.......I have to suffer with many difficulties because I was old type person......

When I came here at US.....people criticized my culture & thought perhaps women are not treated well in our culture thats why I dont have any confidence......I decided to change myself.......Here I dress up according to our Islamic traditions but I talk to people with eye to eye contact. I have believe on Allah....that your inner strength & faith is always our shine of eyes...... I see people listen you & respect your ideas.

If you have purity in your heart then it changes the attitude of other people. Showing off your fake confidence & talking more about stupid things ruin the image of strong & intelligent personality. We should follow some good things from other cultures but knowing the depth of that attitude or fashion but never ever leave your values.




Wasalam .....well said ....kaffi appealing explanation app nay di .....i already have an idea about this vision .....but yeah jo ooper mein ne likhaa hai ......iss mein ek point thaa jo skip hai ..the point was that ....k app ki taraf uthane walli her nigah app ki khair khawah nahin hotti ...kuyn k shikari bhi shikar ko pyar ki nazer se daikhta hai ....teak hai confident hona requirement hai ...u cant survive in this sociey ager app eye contact failure ho ....but kahbhi app ne observe kiya k kuch logon ki nigha ya nazer jo app ki taraf uth rahi hotti hai uss mein app k liey respect nahin hotti ....cunning si nazrein hoti hein ....heyya se khalii .....i posted that in this context ......ager heart he important hai tow phir islam ne kuch zabate ya pabandian kuyn aurat ko di kuyn hijab ka hukam sadir kiya ek baat likh rahi hoon sorry 4 harsh wording but yeah words iss post ka main idea explain ker daein gey ....ager dil ka saaf hona he zarori thaa tow janab phir log kapray kuyn pehntae hein ....kuch taqazay hein jo humein nibhana hein werna on the other hand i put Islamic exmple in fron of u ...HAZRAT HADEEJA (RZA) woh tow NABI PAK (PBUH) k sath tijarat kiya kerti thii .....tow aurat aaj kal asli heyya k taqazay bhool chuki hai ....most of them.....body show off hein rather than inner...meri khud sis ...she is living in canada ...woh wahan hijab kerti hein n also doing job ......sherm-o-heyya ka mada rukhasat ho raha hai jo pehle aurat ki nature mein tha aur nazron mein that was the basic point in that .....
Wisdom
Aray Fatima....
No Fiker yaar...

First of all I never mind any right thing....Whatever you said its perfectly right.
Many times I have to argue some of my pakistani friends here that inner & outer modest behavior is important in our religion. & I never meant that ONLY inner modesty is important.

I was just saying that one should be courageous but look modest.

I have seen & met people like that as you mentioned in your post...I usually never critisized people but tried to show them what is right. I feel proud that I belongs to Pakistan & women of Pakistan are having great values, having great intellect, education & also caring for their family.
FATIMA4U
QUOTE(Wisdom @ Jun 17 2008, 01:13 AM) *
Aray Fatima....
No Fiker yaar...

First of all I never mind any right thing....Whatever you said its perfectly right.
Many times I have to argue some of my pakistani friends here that inner & outer modest behavior is important in our religion. & I never meant that ONLY inner modesty is important.

I was just saying that one should be courageous but look modest.

I have seen & met people like that as you mentioned in your post...I usually never critisized people but tried to show them what is right. I feel proud that I belongs to Pakistan & women of Pakistan are having great values, having great intellect, education & also caring for their family.



[b]thanx 4 nice sharing ....... a common saying is that ...................knowledge always speaks n wisdon always listen .....
here .................wisdom speaks n mashaallah.gif ahum ahum u should know better than me ....[/b]
Shahid Sarfrosh

Bohat he Umda tehreer hey, , rose.gif rose.gif

Is mein tabsaray ki gunjaish nahin, ,

Laikan eik mashwara zaroor hey, K agar ap ye Topic FTM ya FG mein post kertin tu ziyada munasib tha,

Topic k eitbaar se ap ne sahi section choose kiya, , But hadaf ye hona chahiye tha k ziyada se ziyada log is se mustafeed hoon, ,

n wo 2 sections mauzu tareen hein, q k wahan users ki aamad ziyada hey.

Agar ap ko munasib lagay tu MODs se request ker k move kerwa dein.

Khush Rahain !



FATIMA4U
QUOTE(Shahid Sarfrosh @ Jun 17 2008, 01:32 PM) *
Bohat he Umda tehreer hey, , rose.gif rose.gif

Is mein tabsaray ki gunjaish nahin, ,

Laikan eik mashwara zaroor hey, K agar ap ye Topic FTM ya FG mein post kertin tu ziyada munasib tha,

Topic k eitbaar se ap ne sahi section choose kiya, , But hadaf ye hona chahiye tha k ziyada se ziyada log is se mustafeed hoon, ,

n wo 2 sections mauzu tareen hein, q k wahan users ki aamad ziyada hey.

Agar ap ko munasib lagay tu MODs se request ker k move kerwa dein.

Khush Rahain !


well dear thanx 4 ur comments+suggestion .................i also want to put it there .............but useless hai aik 2 post hotti hein koi bhi aacha topic jo thought provoking hai, issue hai n related to our values n life +realistic n practicle based hai ..........woh 2 din ki maar hai yahan ...2 , 4 log bhoolay se share kerte hein vision n topic gumghushta ....mostly want to put their posts in the way of slangs ...n using too much of slangs +jugalbandi ...n want to share sum sort of entertainment....they feel so boring jab aise topic display hoon .....thats the only cause k humari society khabi nahin sudher sakti ..... backward he rahay gii ...well my moto is ....k jo issue hein un ko high light kerna ...users readout ker lein ...thats my concerning point ...............aur waise bhi mein akeli he kaffi hoon .. poster_oops.gif
FATIMA4U
QUOTE(Wisdom @ Jun 16 2008, 11:42 PM) *
Dear Fatima,
Asalam-0-alaqum...

I liked the article you wrote.
It is true that women should use eye contact with other people but in Modern society.
You know Fatima (I love your name) eyes have their own language, & eyes always show the feelings deep inside your heart. If a person male or female has really faith on Allah & has fear of Allah then you can see their eyes have shine of truth & not fake shine. Fatima in my life few years back I was a very very shy personality & never talked to men with bold eye contact, but I realized that people thought I am a personality with no confidence & I cannot do anything, even my teachers talked to my parents that she is a very shy personality.......I have to suffer with many difficulties because I was old type person......

When I came here at US.....people criticized my culture & thought perhaps women are not treated well in our culture thats why I dont have any confidence......I decided to change myself.......Here I dress up according to our Islamic traditions but I talk to people with eye to eye contact. I have believe on Allah....that your inner strength & faith is always our shine of eyes...... I see people listen you & respect your ideas.

If you have purity in your heart then it changes the attitude of other people. Showing off your fake confidence & talking more about stupid things ruin the image of strong & intelligent personality. We should follow some good things from other cultures but knowing the depth of that attitude or fashion but never ever leave your values.





well i just want to say thanx .................app ne buhat aache views share kiye hein ....mujhay maza aa gaya post kaa ...really very approching n appealing hai app k way of thinking .......mujhay ek sir yad aa gaye ...DR, MUSHTAQ-UR-REHMAN SIDIQQI ......PUNJAB UNIVERSOITY KA 40 yrs ka experience hai n kaffi knowledge gain kiya un se ,....so app ne un ki yad dila di ...u guide just in that way what i want ....keep on posting ....
*DhanaK*
QUOTE(Wisdom @ Jun 16 2008, 06:42 PM) *
Dear Fatima,
Asalam-0-alaqum...

I liked the article you wrote.
It is true that women should use eye contact with other people but in Modern society.
You know Fatima (I love your name) eyes have their own language, & eyes always show the feelings deep inside your heart. If a person male or female has really faith on Allah & has fear of Allah then you can see their eyes have shine of truth & not fake shine. Fatima in my life few years back I was a very very shy personality & never talked to men with bold eye contact, but I realized that people thought I am a personality with no confidence & I cannot do anything, even my teachers talked to my parents that she is a very shy personality.......I have to suffer with many difficulties because I was old type person......

When I came here at US.....people criticized my culture & thought perhaps women are not treated well in our culture thats why I dont have any confidence......I decided to change myself.......Here I dress up according to our Islamic traditions but I talk to people with eye to eye contact. I have believe on Allah....that your inner strength & faith is always our shine of eyes...... I see people listen you & respect your ideas.

If you have purity in your heart then it changes the attitude of other people. Showing off your fake confidence & talking more about stupid things ruin the image of strong & intelligent personality. We should follow some good things from other cultures but knowing the depth of that attitude or fashion but never ever leave your values.


ideas worth reading
thanks wisdom!
Wisdom
QUOTE(FATIMA4U @ Jun 17 2008, 04:38 PM) *
well i just want to say thanx .................app ne buhat aache views share kiye hein ....mujhay maza aa gaya post kaa ...really very approching n appealing hai app k way of thinking .......mujhay ek sir yad aa gaye ...DR, MUSHTAQ-UR-REHMAN SIDIQQI ......PUNJAB UNIVERSOITY KA 40 yrs ka experience hai n kaffi knowledge gain kiya un se ,....so app ne un ki yad dila di ...u guide just in that way what i want ....keep on posting ....


Lerki......You think I am 40 years old.... crying_anim.gif
I have experienced lots of things in my life & I am not thaaaaaaaaaaaat old...... krakrani.gif

Anyhow I was kidding...
You know I also met one of my teacher in my life & he was like that ...like your famous teacher...and I really learned alot from him...he helped me to build up my spiritual strength......He always encouraged me to see the good things in life.....
I want to see happiness & peace in the hearts of my people....& especially strong women.
Wisdom
QUOTE(shafaq @ Jun 17 2008, 06:51 PM) *
ideas worth reading
thanks wisdom!


Thanks shafaq for acknowledgeing my views.
I think we need to explore the world, we need to adopt the ways which are not beyond our religion & also helpful to prosper in this world.
FATIMA4U
QUOTE(Wisdom @ Jun 18 2008, 07:32 AM) *
Lerki......You think I am 40 years old.... crying_anim.gif I have experienced lots of things in my life & I am not thaaaaaaaaaaaat old...... krakrani.gif

Anyhow I was kidding...
You know I also met one of my teacher in my life & he was like that ...like your famous teacher...and I really learned alot from him...he helped me to build up my spiritual strength......He always encouraged me to see the good things in life.....
I want to see happiness & peace in the hearts of my people....& especially strong women.



no no ...ho hye yeah kya ho gaya .... breakface1.gif .. i didnt mean that ....keh u r in 40s./..............what i mean is that ....ji mere woh sir ne jin ka experience 40 yrs ka haii ..woh “PUNJAB UNIVERSITY” mein urdu department n “IER depart ment mein kaffi famous reh chukay hein got retired ..n these days working in govt university…..he wrote also sum books …aur world ki kaffi aachi universities se perh chukay hein n perhaya bhi hai …..app ne jo opine kiya who mujhay itna aacha laga k mein ne app ko un se tashbeeh di hai ….n un ki ek baat yad aa gai ..at that moment when I read ur comments.....ek lecture mein unhon ne kahan tha keh "ek aachae guider kii, ek aachae teacher kii,ek aachae speaker kii, ek aachay listener kii.,,, aur ek aachae insan ki jhagah hamesha khali rehti hai ....means ...k koi naah koi zaror fulfill kerta hai ...so u just explaned ur views in that way ...k app ne fulfill kya iss space ko ....as me a learner, n ofcourse student.....n for every learner ...who wants to learn guds .....n ......WANTS TO nourish+explore his/her of knowledge …..simply says I always welcome n appreciate gud ideas, gud suggestions, gud opinions that always leads me in darkness …aachae aur samjhdar logon se baat ker k mujhay buhat aacha lagta hai ...thats y im here......…
Shahid Sarfrosh
QUOTE(FATIMA4U @ Jun 17 2008, 04:33 PM) *
well dear thanx 4 ur comments+suggestion .................i also want to put it there .............but useless hai aik 2 post hotti hein koi bhi aacha topic jo thought provoking hai, issue hai n related to our values n life +realistic n practicle based hai ..........woh 2 din ki maar hai yahan ...2 , 4 log bhoolay se share kerte hein vision n topic gumghushta ....mostly want to put their posts in the way of slangs ...n using too much of slangs +jugalbandi ...n want to share sum sort of entertainment....they feel so boring jab aise topic display hoon .....thats the only cause k humari society khabi nahin sudher sakti ..... backward he rahay gii ...well my moto is ....k jo issue hein un ko high light kerna ...users readout ker lein ...thats my concerning point ...............aur waise bhi mein akeli he kaffi hoon .. poster_oops.gif



Shukreya, , meray khiyal mein aisi tehreer per REPLIES ki bajay VIEWS pe ghaur kerna chahiye, , n main ne dekha hey k ye topic jahan pehlay tha wahan VIEWS, 15 cross nai ker saka tha, , but yahan ye 140 cross ker gaya hey, , Ap ki awaz kam az kam 100 logon tak tu pohanchi he hey, , Jazak Allah.

Rahi baat replies ki tu, shaid kuch log is topic ko hasaas samjh k behas mein na perna chahtay hoon, , phir bhi neutral sa comment tu diya he ja sakta hey.
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