FATIMA4U
Jun 19 2008, 05:07 PM
Salam to All !......... i hope so u all r getting on well by the Grace of ALLAH(SWT).... actually mujhay ek masla puchna hai in the light of HOLY QUR'AN, SUNNAH...................... daiikhney mein aaya hai kissi melaad ya kahin dua log kerte hein tow woh apni dua mein waastah daltae hein for exmple keh "YA, ALLAH AONE SOHN-E-HABIB DE SADQAE MERI YEAH DUA QABOOL FERMANA .."....... ya phir ....YA ALLAH tujhae apne Rasool (PBUH) kaa wastah meri duaein qabool ferma ......kya yeah tareeq-e-car sahi hai dua mangnae kaa ....kuch log apni naiki kaa hawala bhi dette hein k mere naik aamal k badle mein duaein qabool ferma ....so mujhay iss ki clearification chahie ....humein kissterhaa se dua mein ilfaz isstamal kerna chahiein aur jo log yeah hawaly dete hein is it right ? ?
shehzada salman
Jun 19 2008, 06:38 PM
dear fatima
Allah Tala farmatay hain k
"mujh hi se mango main hi qabool karnay wala hon"
"main kabhi tumhari duaon ko rad nahi karon ga"
"or main tumhari shehrag say bhi ziyada qareeb hon" lekin duain qubool nahi hotin
asal main hum gunnah gar log duniya ki lalchon main uljhay huay
hum ek dusre ki burayan kar rahe hen
hum maa baap k ehteram nahi kartay
hum peetay hain sharab
isliyen hum nay ALLAH ki rehmaton ko apnay say door to kiya boht door kar rakha hay
itne gunahon k bawujood bhi hamain apni maslay Allah subhanaoo tala say hal karwanay hain -- right? to hamain apni ilteja aisie logon k dilon main dalna parti hay Allah Tala haqeeqat main jin logon k qareeb hain
ye sab batain meri logic se hain
lekin ap ko ek shia book "hukm e aza" refer karta hon ap study karain ye sab confusion ap k zehn say khatam hojain gi - inshallah
main sirf shia books hi study karta hon ab mujhay complete n clear islam nazar ata hay
asal main hum ne ahl'y bait(a.s) ka daman chor diya hay islien boht sari confusion jama hogayee hain islam main
jab k islam is completly universal realigion
FATIMA4U
Jun 21 2008, 01:39 PM
QUOTE(sisaktey lab @ Jun 21 2008, 01:28 PM)

Ya Ali tera haseen naam bhala lugta hay
teri nisbat say yeah islam bhala lugta hay
log kehtay hain teray ishq may kafir mujhko
aur mujhko yeah ilzaam bhala lugta hay
app log kya likh rahay ho such mein mujhay kuch samjh nahin aa raha ....mein ne DUA K ILFAZ KAA PUCHA HAI ? ?
sisaktey lab
Jun 21 2008, 02:07 PM
Avoid irrevelnt posts,,,, this is warning for u
Namaaz_Deen_Ka_Sutoon_Hei
Jul 31 2008, 09:32 AM
QUOTE(FATIMA4U @ Jun 21 2008, 01:39 PM)

app log kya likh rahay ho such mein mujhay kuch samjh nahin aa raha ....mein ne DUA K ILFAZ KAA PUCHA HAI ? ?
Duaa Sirf Allah Tala Se Hi mangna Chahei Kyun K Allah Ko Waseela Se Kisi Ko Denain Ki Zaroorat Nahin Aur Ager Waseela bHi To Un LogoN ka Jo is DUniya main mojood Nahin hein Allah Se Direct Bra e rahst mangein Woh Khush Hota Hei...... Kyun K Woh Toi HUmari Dilon Ki Baton Se Agaah Hei HUmain Us Se Ro Ro Kar Apnee Duaa Mangein Be Shuck Woh Qabol karnain Wala Hei AUr Bus Woh Hi Qabool Karnain Wala Hei.... Dusra Koi Nahin.... HUmein Bus Deen Main Utna HI Kaam Karnaa Hei Jitnaa Humain bataya Gaya hei Na Us Se Ziyada Na Us Se Kum.... Ager Waseelei Ka Kuch Chaker Hota To Zaroor Mohmmad(SAW) Is Ka Ziker Kartei Aur Quran Main 20 Se Ziyaada Duain mangee gein Hein har Nabe Nain Museebat Main Zaroorat Main Duaa mangee Mager brah E Rastg Mangee Aur Humain Bhi Brah E Rast Hi mangnee Chahei.....
[Hum Se Abdullah Bin Muslima Qanbee Nain Biyaan Kiya' In Se Imam Malik (Reh) Nain 'In Se Ibn Shahaab nain ' In Se Abu Salma Abdurehman Aur Abu Abdulllah Aghrr Nain Aur IN Donon Hazrat Se Abuhuraira(RA) Nain K Rasool Allah (SAW) Nain Farmiyaa K Humara Perwerdigar Buland Barkat Wala Her Raat Ko Is Waqt Asmaan Duniyaa Per Ataa Hei Jub Raat ka Akhri Tehaai Hissa Reh Jata Hei. Woh Kehtaa Hei Koi Mujh Se Dua karnain Wala Hei K Min Is Ki Duaa Qabool Karoon' Koi Mujhe Se Mangnain Wala Hei K Main Isse Doon Koi Mujhe Se Bakhshish Talab Karnain Wala Hei K Main Is Ko Bakhshish Doon.{Bukhareef Shareef Jild #: 2 Hadith #: 1145}]
Reehab
Jul 31 2008, 11:07 AM
I agreed dua sirf aur sirf ALLAH (ST) say hi mangni chayeh. han wasilla DAY SAKTY HIEN .US KAY SAKY MAY MERI DUA KABOOL KI JAYE YEH HO SAKTA HAY
Namaaz_Deen_Ka_Sutoon_Hei
Jul 31 2008, 01:13 PM
QUOTE(Imranrana1977 @ Jul 31 2008, 11:07 AM)

I agreed dua sirf aur sirf ALLAH (ST) say hi mangni chayeh. han wasilla DAY SAKTY HIEN .US KAY SAKY MAY MERI DUA KABOOL KI JAYE YEH HO SAKTA HAY
Quran Se Sabit karein ya Sahee Hadith .............
Namaaz_Deen_Ka_Sutoon_Hei
Jul 31 2008, 01:16 PM
QUOTE(FATIMA4U @ Jun 21 2008, 01:39 PM)

app log kya likh rahay ho such mein mujhay kuch samjh nahin aa raha ....mein ne DUA K ILFAZ KAA PUCHA HAI ? ?
zaroori nahin dua sirf namaaz main hi mangee jai dua har waqt maang sukei hein behter hei k duaa yad kar lein jo quran majeed main nabee Alihi Wasslam nain jaga jaga mangeeh ei jeisse adadm alhi wasslam nain...."Allah humma Anta Subhanaka Inni Kuntum Minazualimeen" aur bhi duain hein aur apnain lafzon main bhimaang suktei hei aur Allah to mangneni se khush hota hei aur brhaei rast hi us Allah ko pukarein kyun k woh humaree bat sunsuktaa hei ............
Mula Madad
Jul 31 2008, 05:47 PM
OFFERINGS IN THE NAME OF ALLAH
If we make an offering not in the name of Allah, but for someone else, whether he be dead or alive, or if we include him with the name of Allah, even if he is an Imam or his son, the offering is not valid. If this is done deliberately and knowingly then it is evident polytheism, as is clear from the verse, "...and not join anyone in the service of his Lord." (18:110) Shia jurists agree that to make an offering in the name of any person, including Prophets or Imams, is wrong. If it is done intentionally, it is polytheism. An offering must be made in the name of Allah, although we are authorized to do it whenever we like. For instance, if someone in the name of Allah takes a goat to a particular house or place of worship or to the tomb of an Imam or son of an Imam and sacrifices it, there is no harm in it. Also, if he pledges and gives money or clothes in the name of Allah to a certain Seyyed, a descendant of the Prophet, or gives alms to an orphan or beggar, there is no harm in it. Of course, if he pledges to make an offering simply for the sake of the Prophet or an Imam, a son of an Imam, or for some other person, it is forbidden. If done intentionally, it is polytheism. It is the duty of every prophet or religious authority to admonish people as the Holy Qur'an says, "Say: Obey Allah and obey the Apostle; but if you turn back, then on him rests that which is imposed on him and on you rests that which is imposed on you...." (24:54)
It is people's duty to hear what the Prophet of Allah says and to act upon it. If, however, someone does not care to follow divine precepts and does not act on them, it does not harm the faith or the principles in which the faith is founded.
HIDDEN POLYTHEISM:
MAKING A DISPLAY OF PRAYERS
The second kind of polytheism is hidden polytheism, such as making a display of our prayers or other forms of obedience to Allah. The difference between this polytheism and polytheism in prayers is that in the case of polytheism in prayers we associate some other thing or being with Allah. If someone directs his attention towards anything other than Allah, in the ritual prayer, or if, by the suggestion of shaitan, he has a picture of a false deity in his mind, or if his guide is the center of his attention, then he is a polytheist. Nothing except Allah, should be the object of attention in our worship. The Prophet said that if someone does a good deed and makes someone else a partner with Allah in it, then his whole deed is for the partner. Allah hates that action as well as its doer. It has also been reported that the Holy Prophet said that if someone offers the ritual prayer, observes a fast, or performs the Pilgrimage and has the idea that by his doing so the people will praise him, "then verily, he has made a partner with Allah in his action."
It has also been reported from Imam Ja'far Sadiq that if someone performs an action for fear of Allah, or for the recompense in the hereafter, and includes in it the pleasure of a human being, then the doer of that action is a polytheist.
POLYTHEISM REGARDING CAUSATION
One kind of polytheism is that which relates to causation since most people base their hopes and fears on secondary causes. This is also polytheism, but it is pardonable. Polytheism means to think that power lies intrinsically in secondary causes. For instance, the sun nourishes many things in the world, but if one considers this power to be inherent in the sun, then this is polytheism. However, if we believe that the power of the sun is given to it by Allah, and that the sun is only a secondary means of His munificence, then this is never polytheism. It is rather a form of worship since to pay attention to the signs of Allah is a prelude to attending to Allah. A reference has been made in the verses of the Holy Qur'an to the fact that we should ponder the signs of Allah since this leads the attention toward Allah. In the same way, reliance on secondary causes (a tradesman's attention to trade, or a farmer's attention to his farm) make one a polytheist if he thereby diverts his attention from Allah.
Based on the above explanation of polytheism, which of the examples cited do you consider to be applicable to Shias? In what way, from the point of view of prayer, faith, or the Shia traditions that you have seen, can they be charged with polytheism?
Hafiz: I admit that all you have said is correct, but if you would just take the trouble to think for a moment, you will agree that to rely on the imams is polytheism. Since we should not seek any human means of approach to Allah, we should invoke Allah directly for help.
WHY PROPHETS SOUGHT HELP FROM PEOPLE
Well-Wisher: It is strange that you ignore what I have been saying here all along. Is it polytheism to make requests of other people for the fulfillment of our desires? If this were true, the whole of humanity is polytheistic. If to seek help from others is polytheism, why did the Prophet seek help from people? You should study the verses of the Holy Qur'an so that you may know what is true and correct. The following verses are worth attention: "He said: 'O chiefs which of you can bring to me her throne before they come to me in submission?' One audacious among the Jinn said: 'I will bring it to you before you rise up from your place; and most surely I am strong (and) trusty for it.' One who had the knowledge of the Book said: 'I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye.' Then when he saw it settled beside him, he said: 'This is of the grace of my Lord....'" (27:38-40)
The bringing of the throne of Bilqis (Queen of Sheba) to Solomon was impossible for every creature. Admittedly, it was unusual, and the Prophet Solomon, despite his knowing that it required divine power, did not ask Almighty Allah to bring the throne but asked mere creatures to help him. This fact shows that seeking others' help is not polytheism. Allah, the first cause, is the Creator of the causes of this world. Polytheism is a matter of the heart. If a man asks for someone's help and does not consider him Allah or His partner, it is not forbidden. This situation is common everywhere. People go to the houses of others and ask them for help without taking the name of Allah. If I go to a physician and ask him to cure me, am I a polytheist? Again, if a man is drowning, and he cries for help, is he a polytheist? So please be fair and do not misconstrue facts. The whole Shia community believes that if anyone considers the descendants of the Prophet as being Allah or partners in His Self, he is surely a polytheist. You might have heard Shias in trouble crying, "O Ali, help me!" "O Husain, help me!" This does not mean that they are saying "O Allah Ali, help me!" "O Allah Husain, help me!" But the fact is that since the world is a house of secondary causes, we consider them the means of deliverance from troubles. We seek the help of Allah through them.
Hafiz: Instead of invoking Allah directly, why do you invoke the means?
Well-Wisher: Our permanent attention regarding our desires, distresses, and anguish is fixed upon Allah, the Absolute. But the Holy Qur'an says that we should reach Almighty Allah, through some means of approach. "O you who believe! Do your duty to Allah and seek the means of approach to Him." (5:38)
Reehab
Aug 1 2008, 01:40 AM
QUOTE(Namaaz_Deen_Ka_Sutoon_Hei @ Jul 31 2008, 12:13 PM)

Quran Se Sabit karein ya Sahee Hadith .............
aCTUALLY BROTHER KUCH BANDY ALLAH (ST) KAY BAHUT KHAAS BANDY HOTTY HIEN JIN KO DUNIYA BHI MANTI HAY FOR EXAMPLE. HUMARY NABI PAK(PBUH)SAHABA KARAM(RA)OLIYA KRAM. HUM DIRECT UN SAY NAHI MANGTY HUM YEH KEH SAKTY HIEN KAY ALLH TALLAH HUM GUNEHGAR HEIN IS KAY TUFAIL HUMARI BAKHSISH FERMA. YA IS KAY WSELLY SAY.
YEH DHIYAN RAKHAN KAY JIS KI KABER PER GAYE HO WOH KITNA KAHLSI HAY SAHEE IMAAN WALA THA. HUM AKSER NABI KO HI WASTA BANATY HIEN. WOH SACH HAY HAQUE HAY. BAKI LALLO PANJOON KI KABROON PER TOMAY JATA HI NAHI.
Mula Madad
Aug 2 2008, 05:15 AM
QUOTE(Imranrana1977 @ Aug 1 2008, 01:40 AM)

aCTUALLY BROTHER KUCH BANDY ALLAH (ST) KAY BAHUT KHAAS BANDY HOTTY HIEN JIN KO DUNIYA BHI MANTI HAY FOR EXAMPLE. HUMARY NABI PAK(PBUH)SAHABA KARAM(RA)OLIYA KRAM. HUM DIRECT UN SAY NAHI MANGTY HUM YEH KEH SAKTY HIEN KAY ALLH TALLAH HUM GUNEHGAR HEIN IS KAY TUFAIL HUMARI BAKHSISH FERMA. YA IS KAY WSELLY SAY.
YEH DHIYAN RAKHAN KAY JIS KI KABER PER GAYE HO WOH KITNA KAHLSI HAY SAHEE IMAAN WALA THA. HUM AKSER NABI KO HI WASTA BANATY HIEN. WOH SACH HAY HAQUE HAY. BAKI LALLO PANJOON KI KABROON PER TOMAY JATA HI NAHI.
yeah baqi laloo panjo sai ap ka kia murad hai (ASTAGFIRULLAH HA RABI)
nai jatey na sahi jana bhi maat kiun kai app jaisa wahan jayee yeh kisee ko berdasht nahi ho ga mager in oliyah wali ullah kai barey mai sult lang use na keroo
Khalish
Aug 2 2008, 07:50 AM
QUOTE(Mula Madad @ Aug 2 2008, 03:15 AM)

yeah baqi laloo panjo sai ap ka kia murad hai (ASTAGFIRULLAH HA RABI)
nai jatey na sahi jana bhi maat kiun kai app jaisa wahan jayee yeh kisee ko berdasht nahi ho ga mager in oliyah wali ullah kai barey mai sult lang use na keroo
Yahaan laloo panjo se muraad woh maqabir haiN jinke muta'aliq yehi khabar nahi keh issmeiN kon dafan hai? .. mujawar 'business point of view' se nit naee baateiN 'so-called sahib.e.qabr' ke muta'aliq phailaate rehte haiN ... dosri muraad yeh bhi ho sakti hai keh jin maqabir ke makeenooN ke raast per hone per shak ho.. aur yeh ikhtiyaari amal hai iss per kisi ki zoor zabardasti nahi hoti.
Namaaz_Deen_Ka_Sutoon_Hei
Aug 2 2008, 09:12 AM
QUOTE(Imranrana1977 @ Aug 1 2008, 01:40 AM)

aCTUALLY BROTHER KUCH BANDY ALLAH (ST) KAY BAHUT KHAAS BANDY HOTTY HIEN JIN KO DUNIYA BHI MANTI HAY FOR EXAMPLE. HUMARY NABI PAK(PBUH)SAHABA KARAM(RA)OLIYA KRAM. HUM DIRECT UN SAY NAHI MANGTY HUM YEH KEH SAKTY HIEN KAY ALLH TALLAH HUM GUNEHGAR HEIN IS KAY TUFAIL HUMARI BAKHSISH FERMA. YA IS KAY WSELLY SAY.
YEH DHIYAN RAKHAN KAY JIS KI KABER PER GAYE HO WOH KITNA KAHLSI HAY SAHEE IMAAN WALA THA. HUM AKSER NABI KO HI WASTA BANATY HIEN. WOH SACH HAY HAQUE HAY. BAKI LALLO PANJOON KI KABROON PER TOMAY JATA HI NAHI.
Yar Humein deikhnaa chahei k humare salifeen ye sub kuch kiya hei mohmmad(SAW) 1 hadith to parhee hogi aapo nain k maire baad maire khulfa e rashideen ko sunnat ko apnana maire bhai kisi Khulfaa e rashideen nain waseela nahin mangaa haan waseela apnain naik amaal ka dei suktei hein mager kisi insan ka is arhaan naan quran se sabit hei naan hadith se sabit hei insha'Allah amal k waseelei wali hadith mein aap ko doongga.......
khan_amer
Aug 17 2008, 02:17 PM
QUOTE(Namaaz_Deen_Ka_Sutoon_Hei @ Aug 2 2008, 07:12 AM)

Yar Humein deikhnaa chahei k humare salifeen ye sub kuch kiya hei mohmmad(SAW) 1 hadith to parhee hogi aapo nain k maire baad maire khulfa e rashideen ko sunnat ko apnana maire bhai kisi Khulfaa e rashideen nain waseela nahin mangaa haan waseela apnain naik amaal ka dei suktei hein mager kisi insan ka is arhaan naan quran se sabit hei naan hadith se sabit hei insha'Allah amal k waseelei wali hadith mein aap ko doongga.......
MiaN nay Imam Yousaf key eak kitab main paRha tha kay, Imam Abu Hanifa ka mazhab waseelay kay silsilay maiN kuch youN hay:
Waseela sirf Allah tala kay NaamooN/Safaat ka diya ja sakta hay, iss kay liya kisi bhi makhlooq ko batoor waseela use kerna shirk kay dairay maiN aata hay. Ab pata nahi kay ahnaaf Imam Abu Hanifa key iss baat per kiay tojeeh paish kertay haiN.
Agr meri above statement jinhay bhi ghalat lagay, woh Imam Abu Hanifa ka mazhab Dua'ooN maiN waselay kay hawalay say yahaaN per post ker daiN.
Baqi JahaaN tak baat dua kay ilfaaz key hay, sab say behtreen ilfaaz wohi haiN jis maiN Allah key hamd'o'sana ho, jis maiN Allah tala key safaat bayaan key gayeeN hon aur phir unhi kay waseelay say dua mangi gayee ho.
FATIMA4U
Aug 18 2008, 01:08 AM
QUOTE(Namaaz_Deen_Ka_Sutoon_Hei @ Jul 31 2008, 09:32 AM)

Duaa Sirf Allah Tala Se Hi mangna Chahei Kyun K Allah Ko Waseela Se Kisi Ko Denain Ki Zaroorat Nahin Aur Ager Waseela bHi To Un LogoN ka Jo is DUniya main mojood Nahin hein Allah Se Direct Bra e rahst mangein Woh Khush Hota Hei...... Kyun K Woh Toi HUmari Dilon Ki Baton Se Agaah Hei HUmain Us Se Ro Ro Kar Apnee Duaa Mangein Be Shuck Woh Qabol karnain Wala Hei AUr Bus Woh Hi Qabool Karnain Wala Hei.... Dusra Koi Nahin.... HUmein Bus Deen Main Utna HI Kaam Karnaa Hei Jitnaa Humain bataya Gaya hei Na Us Se Ziyada Na Us Se Kum.... Ager Waseelei Ka Kuch Chaker Hota To Zaroor Mohmmad(SAW) Is Ka Ziker Kartei Aur Quran Main 20 Se Ziyaada Duain mangee gein Hein har Nabe Nain Museebat Main Zaroorat Main Duaa mangee Mager brah E Rastg Mangee Aur Humain Bhi Brah E Rast Hi mangnee Chahei.....
[Hum Se Abdullah Bin Muslima Qanbee Nain Biyaan Kiya' In Se Imam Malik (Reh) Nain 'In Se Ibn Shahaab nain ' In Se Abu Salma Abdurehman Aur Abu Abdulllah Aghrr Nain Aur IN Donon Hazrat Se Abuhuraira(RA) Nain K Rasool Allah (SAW) Nain Farmiyaa K Humara Perwerdigar Buland Barkat Wala Her Raat Ko Is Waqt Asmaan Duniyaa Per Ataa Hei Jub Raat ka Akhri Tehaai Hissa Reh Jata Hei. Woh Kehtaa Hei Koi Mujh Se Dua karnain Wala Hei K Min Is Ki Duaa Qabool Karoon' Koi Mujhe Se Mangnain Wala Hei K Main Isse Doon Koi Mujhe Se Bakhshish Talab Karnain Wala Hei K Main Is Ko Bakhshish Doon.{Bukhareef Shareef Jild #: 2 Hadith #: 1145}]
Salam! thank u so much 4 this kindness, yeah mere knowledge mein tha but not very sure so consultaion zarori thii. SHUKERYIA keep me in ur duas as i do .
FATIMA4U
Aug 18 2008, 01:12 AM
QUOTE(khan_amer @ Aug 17 2008, 02:17 PM)

MiaN nay Imam Yousaf key eak kitab main paRha tha kay, Imam Abu Hanifa ka mazhab waseelay kay silsilay maiN kuch youN hay:
Waseela sirf Allah tala kay NaamooN/Safaat ka diya ja sakta hay, iss kay liya kisi bhi makhlooq ko batoor waseela use kerna shirk kay dairay maiN aata hay. Ab pata nahi kay ahnaaf Imam Abu Hanifa key iss baat per kiay tojeeh paish kertay haiN.
Agr meri above statement jinhay bhi ghalat lagay, woh Imam Abu Hanifa ka mazhab Dua'ooN maiN waselay kay hawalay say yahaaN per post ker daiN.
Baqi JahaaN tak baat dua kay ilfaaz key hay, sab say behtreen ilfaaz wohi haiN jis maiN Allah key hamd'o'sana ho, jis maiN Allah tala key safaat bayaan key gayeeN hon aur phir unhi kay waseelay say dua mangi gayee ho.[/color]
[color="#000000"]shukeryiaa! n last 2 lines ...very well said mashallah. khush rahein