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shehzada salman
Allah Tala per Iman

Do you regard Allah as Aalam (knowledgeable) or Aleem (possessor of infinite knowledge)? If Aalam, then your greatest book after the Qur'an, "Sahih al Bukhari" Volume 6 hadith number 371

"The Prophet (saws) said, "The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: 'Are there any more (to come)? till Allah puts his foot over it and it will say 'Qat! Qat!" (Enough! Enough!)"

I ask, while creating Hell, did Allah under estimate its size to such an extent that he deemed it necessary to place his leg in to expand it at a later date?
MJB
Please aap spaming na karain,,,,, aur jo sawal due hain,,,,, pahley unka jawab de dain,,,,, mera bhi 1 chota sa sawal due hey,,,, uska jawab bhi de dain,,,, apki yad-dast ke liye yahan pe bhi post ker raha hoon

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sawal main yahan bhi repeat ker daita hoon,,,,,,, wazah rahey ke aap Hazrat Umar ko Sahabi aur momin manney se inkar chukey hain,,,, ussi ke tanazur main yeah sawal hey.......


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tu phir Hazrat Ali RZA ne inko apna ameer mantey huey bait kion ki,,,,,,kion 10 saal ke dour-e-khilafat main Hazrat Umar RZA ki itta'at ki,,,,,,,,,Hazrat Ali RZA jo Haider they,,,,, Ilm ka Darwaza they,,,,, Hussain AS ke walid they,,,,,,,,, Unhon ne inkaar kion na kiya,,,,, baghawat kion na ki,,,,,, kafir ke khilaf jihad kion na kiya

Agar Hazrat Ali RZA jaisa aalim Hazrat Umar ko momin aur ameer mantey they,,,, tu ham jaisey kam-aqal logon ki kya majal,,,, jo kissi sahabi ke imaan pe ungli utha sakain

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Hanibal
QUOTE(shehzada salman @ Jun 24 2008, 01:48 PM) *
Allah Tala per Iman

Do you regard Allah as Aalam (knowledgeable) or Aleem (possessor of infinite knowledge)? If Aalam, then your greatest book after the Qur'an, "Sahih al Bukhari" Volume 6 hadith number 371

"The Prophet (saws) said, "The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: 'Are there any more (to come)? till Allah puts his foot over it and it will say 'Qat! Qat!" (Enough! Enough!)"

I ask, while creating Hell, did Allah under estimate its size to such an extent that he deemed it necessary to place his leg in to expand it at a later date?




Bhai app sawal per sawal kiya ja rahay hain , jawab milnay per aisay bhagtay hain kay mur kr bhi nahi daikhtay, khud kisi sawal ka jawab app day nahi paa rahay.

anyway app say sawal ka jawab yeh hay.

Quran main mazkoor hay aur App (SAW) key zindagee say proved hay, kay tashbeehaat ka istaymaaal Arabic language main aam hay, infact urdu zuban bhi iss say mubra nahi, 2ndly speaking, jub kisi ko kuch samjhana maqsood ho tu, ussay aisi hi misaal dee jatee hay ju kay uss kay taswur main gher ker sakay.

e.g. agr app college going hein, tu app ko kuch bhi samjhanay kay liya zaroori hay kay main app ko college say related ya jitni duniya app nay dekhi hay uss hisab say misaal doon, corporate world key misaal ya tu app kay ser per say guzr jaye gee ya phir app mujhay hi ghalat samjhna shoroo ho jayain gey.

Bukhari kay case mein bhi yehi situation hay, yahaan per Allah tala aur Nabi (SAAW) do cheezoon key tarf ishara ker rahay hain,

1) Insaan ko bataya ja raha kay kisi bhi taraah iss ghalat fehmi main palna kay agr eak gunnah socially common ho jaye tu Allah tala kay pass jagah parh saktee hay. Jannat key taraah Jahanum bhi her us insaan ko accomodate ker saktee hay jisay Allah tala uss mein phaink dain.

2) yahaan per yeh batana bhi maqsood hay, infact Quran aur Hadees kay talib-e-ilm iss cheez say waqif hain kay jahaan jahaan Allah kay ghaiz o ghazab ka zikr hai, waheen per Allah tala nay jumla apni rehmat ka hawala day ker mukamal kiya hay. yehi case iss hadees kay saath bhi hay.


per agr app issay bughaz key ainak ( ju kay shayad ab lens ban chukay hain) say daikhain gey tu app ko kuch bhi samajh nahi aye ga, aur mujhay qavi umeed hay kay ya tu app ko baat key samajh hi nahi lagni aur lag gayee tu app say hazm nahi honi and iss topic say bhi faraar ho jayain gey... ho sakta hay iss bar khandan main kisi key shaadi ka bahana bana lain 1-bachondunia.gif
shehzada salman
ji Sir i m here now
A'Salam
Ameer ul Momineen(as) Ali ibn e abi talib Allah tala ki taraf say banaye gaye allah k wali hen, rasool allah(saw) k bad un k wasi hain
or musalmanon k pehlay khalifa jinhon nay kabhi kisi ghair e masoom k hath per bayet nahi ki...

or tum rasool allah(saw) k ghadeeri hokum ko nahi mantay ho?
Ye pura waqea pehlay bhi bayan kar chukka hon k post main
Ab sirf refrences
Sahih Bukhari vol.9 no.329
Bukhari volume 5, Book 59 Number 637

Rasool Allah said “jis jis ka main mola hon aj say us ka ali(as) bhi mola hay”
Or tumhari kitabon sae sabit hay k jis ne us din nahi mana us per allah ka azab nazil hua

ap logon ko kuch shiyion se ghalat fehmiyan wahabiyat k fasad ki wajah se hain k shia hazrat ashab e rasool(saw) ko nahi mantay jab k aisa har giz nahi hay...
hamain tareekh main milta hay k kuch logon ne pesa kamanay or takht o taj hasil karne k liyen islam qabool kiya tha hum un ko nahi mantay jab k wo log bhi ashab e rasool(saw) main atay hain
hum un ka naam lekar unhen bura nahi kehna chahtay kiun k kam ilmi ki wajah say jin logon k dilon main un ki mohabbatain beth gayee hen un ka bhi dil na dukhay or is amal ko shia TAQAYYA kehtay hain jo QURAN se sabhit hay
Hanibal
QUOTE(shehzada salman @ Jun 24 2008, 04:16 PM) *
ji Sir i m here now
A'Salam
Ameer ul Momineen(as) Ali ibn e abi talib Allah tala ki taraf say banaye gaye allah k wali hen, rasool allah(saw) k bad un k wasi hain
or musalmanon k pehlay khalifa jinhon nay kabhi kisi ghair e masoom k hath per bayet nahi ki...

or tum rasool allah(saw) k ghadeeri hokum ko nahi mantay ho?
Ye pura waqea pehlay bhi bayan kar chukka hon k post main
Ab sirf refrences
Sahih Bukhari vol.9 no.329
Bukhari volume 5, Book 59 Number 637

Rasool Allah said “jis jis ka main mola hon aj say us ka ali(as) bhi mola hay”
Or tumhari kitabon sae sabit hay k jis ne us din nahi mana us per allah ka azab nazil hua

ap logon ko kuch shiyion se ghalat fehmiyan wahabiyat k fasad ki wajah se hain k shia hazrat ashab e rasool(saw) ko nahi mantay jab k aisa har giz nahi hay...
hamain tareekh main milta hay k kuch logon ne pesa kamanay or takht o taj hasil karne k liyen islam qabool kiya tha hum un ko nahi mantay jab k wo log bhi ashab e rasool(saw) main atay hain
hum un ka naam lekar unhen bura nahi kehna chahtay kiun k kam ilmi ki wajah say jin logon k dilon main un ki mohabbatain beth gayee hen un ka bhi dil na dukhay or is amal ko shia TAQAYYA kehtay hain jo QURAN se sabhit hay


oh bhai pehlay pehli wali baat ka tu jawab do, kay main samjhoon kay app uss silsilay main la-jawab ho gey hain aur ab naya mozo shoro kerna chahtay hain. app kay is sawal ka jawab mil jaye ga, per at least eak brave shia key tarah yeh admit karain kay pehla point clear ho gaya hay.

ya phir admit karain kay app shia chat say yeh saray topics paste ker rahay hain aur app ko pata bhi nahi kay what all this thing means.
MJB
QUOTE(shehzada salman @ Jun 24 2008, 02:46 PM) *
ji Sir i m here now
A'Salam
Ameer ul Momineen(as) Ali ibn e abi talib Allah tala ki taraf say banaye gaye allah k wali hen, rasool allah(saw) k bad un k wasi hain
or musalmanon k pehlay khalifa jinhon nay kabhi kisi ghair e masoom k hath per bayet nahi ki...

or tum rasool allah(saw) k ghadeeri hokum ko nahi mantay ho?
Ye pura waqea pehlay bhi bayan kar chukka hon k post main
Ab sirf refrences
Sahih Bukhari vol.9 no.329
Bukhari volume 5, Book 59 Number 637

Rasool Allah said “jis jis ka main mola hon aj say us ka ali(as) bhi mola hay”
Or tumhari kitabon sae sabit hay k jis ne us din nahi mana us per allah ka azab nazil hua

ap logon ko kuch shiyion se ghalat fehmiyan wahabiyat k fasad ki wajah se hain k shia hazrat ashab e rasool(saw) ko nahi mantay jab k aisa har giz nahi hay...
hamain tareekh main milta hay k kuch logon ne pesa kamanay or takht o taj hasil karne k liyen islam qabool kiya tha hum un ko nahi mantay jab k wo log bhi ashab e rasool(saw) main atay hain
hum un ka naam lekar unhen bura nahi kehna chahtay kiun k kam ilmi ki wajah say jin logon k dilon main un ki mohabbatain beth gayee hen un ka bhi dil na dukhay or is amal ko shia TAQAYYA kehtay hain jo QURAN se sabhit hay

sir agar aap ne merey sawal ka jawab diya hey,,, tu mujhey nihayat afsos ke sath kahna parta hey ke mujhey apney sawal ka jawab kahin nazar nahin aya

i repeat

ke Hazrat Ali RZA ne Hazrat Umar RZA ki khilafat kion qabool ki,,, unkey hath pe kion bait ki,,,,, mazeed jo kuch batain

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tu phir Hazrat Ali RZA ne inko apna ameer mantey huey bait kion ki,,,,,,kion 10 saal ke dour-e-khilafat main Hazrat Umar RZA ki itta'at ki,,,,,,,,,Hazrat Ali RZA jo Haider they,,,,, Ilm ka Darwaza they,,,,, Hussain AS ke walid they,,,,,,,,, Unhon ne inkaar kion na kiya,,,,, baghawat kion na ki,,,,,, kafir ke khilaf jihad kion na kiya

Agar Hazrat Ali RZA jaisa aalim Hazrat Umar ko momin aur ameer mantey they,,,, tu ham jaisey kam-aqal logon ki kya majal,,,, jo kissi sahabi ke imaan pe ungli utha sakain


isko ghor se parh ke to the point jawab dain,,,,,, agar aap to the point jawab na de sakey,,,,, tu main aap ko logical jawab de doon ga,,,,, jo sheeshey ki taraf aar paar dikhey ga,,,,, lekin uskey baad aap ko manna ho ga,,,, kion ke aap apni baat clear kerney main nakam ho chukey hoon gey
hussain mavia1
Salman sahab app par kafi sawal due hain zara abb koai idher udher ki post karnay k bajay app un sawaloon k jawab day dain

HulChul
Chaloo Is Per Bhi Baat KErty Hain Iss Hadees Ki Sanad Anayat Kigi'ay
shehzada salman
QUOTE(shehzada salman @ Jun 24 2008, 05:46 PM) *
ji Sir i m here now
A'Salam
Ameer ul Momineen(as) Ali ibn e abi talib Allah tala ki taraf say banaye gaye allah k wali hen, rasool allah(saw) k bad un k wasi hain
or musalmanon k pehlay khalifa jinhon nay kabhi kisi ghair e masoom k hath per bayet nahi ki...

or tum rasool allah(saw) k ghadeeri hokum ko nahi mantay ho?
Ye pura waqea pehlay bhi bayan kar chukka hon k post main
Ab sirf refrences
Sahih Bukhari vol.9 no.329
Bukhari volume 5, Book 59 Number 637

Rasool Allah said “jis jis ka main mola hon aj say us ka ali(as) bhi mola hay”
Or tumhari kitabon sae sabit hay k jis ne us din nahi mana us per allah ka azab nazil hua

ap logon ko kuch shiyion se ghalat fehmiyan wahabiyat k fasad ki wajah se hain k shia hazrat ashab e rasool(saw) ko nahi mantay jab k aisa har giz nahi hay...
hamain tareekh main milta hay k kuch logon ne pesa kamanay or takht o taj hasil karne k liyen islam qabool kiya tha hum un ko nahi mantay jab k wo log bhi ashab e rasool(saw) main atay hain
hum un ka naam lekar unhen bura nahi kehna chahtay kiun k kam ilmi ki wajah say jin logon k dilon main un ki mohabbatain beth gayee hen un ka bhi dil na dukhay or is amal ko shia TAQAYYA kehtay hain jo QURAN se sabhit hay




or kon si hadees ki sanad mang rahe ho
sanad ka matlab to samjhao zara urdu he ya arabic?
shehzada salman
QUOTE(shehzada salman @ Jun 24 2008, 05:46 PM) *
ji Sir i m here now
A'Salam
Ameer ul Momineen(as) Ali ibn e abi talib Allah tala ki taraf say banaye gaye allah k wali hen, rasool allah(saw) k bad un k wasi hain
or musalmanon k pehlay khalifa jinhon nay kabhi kisi ghair e masoom k hath per bayet nahi ki...

or tum rasool allah(saw) k ghadeeri hokum ko nahi mantay ho?
Ye pura waqea pehlay bhi bayan kar chukka hon k post main
Ab sirf refrences
Sahih Bukhari vol.9 no.329
Bukhari volume 5, Book 59 Number 637

Rasool Allah said “jis jis ka main mola hon aj say us ka ali(as) bhi mola hay”
Or tumhari kitabon sae sabit hay k jis ne us din nahi mana us per allah ka azab nazil hua

ap logon ko kuch shiyion se ghalat fehmiyan wahabiyat k fasad ki wajah se hain k shia hazrat ashab e rasool(saw) ko nahi mantay jab k aisa har giz nahi hay...
hamain tareekh main milta hay k kuch logon ne pesa kamanay or takht o taj hasil karne k liyen islam qabool kiya tha hum un ko nahi mantay jab k wo log bhi ashab e rasool(saw) main atay hain
hum un ka naam lekar unhen bura nahi kehna chahtay kiun k kam ilmi ki wajah say jin logon k dilon main un ki mohabbatain beth gayee hen un ka bhi dil na dukhay or is amal ko shia TAQAYYA kehtay hain jo QURAN se sabhit hay




or kon si hadees ki sanad mang rahe ho
sanad ka matlab to samjhao zara urdu he ya arabic?
Hanibal
QUOTE(shehzada salman @ Jun 25 2008, 08:09 PM) *
or kon si hadees ki sanad mang rahe ho
sanad ka matlab to samjhao zara urdu he ya arabic?


Sanad urdu ka hi lafz hay, yeh tu haal app key maloomat ka, aur chalain hain muslmanon ko tanqeed ka nishana bananay.


anyway, app kay dhol ka poll tu pehli hi post mein khul gaya tha, yeh bhi evident hay kay app sirf copy-paster hain, aur yeh bhi haqeeqat kay jhootay key tarah app kay paoon nahi.


aur app say iss waqt almost sab nay hi koy na koy sawal ( app kay hi start kiya howay topics main) ker rakha hay, per app eak dheet hadi hain ju kay sirf topic hi post kertay ja rahay hain kisi bhi kisam kay jawab ya comments kernay kay qabil nahi.

Meri HC administration say request hay kay woh aisay posters ko ju sirf bughaz kay liya yahaan per copy paste ker rahay hain, ko ban kya jaye, kyon kay yeh bandar kay haath main machis daynay wali baat hogee, aisay log khud nahi jantay kay woh post kiya ker rahay hain aur iss ka effect kya hoga.

ham batoor muslims Shezada_Salman kay shukr guzar hain kay uss nay aisay shia aqayed ka iqraar kya hay, ju kay inhay islam kay dairay say kharij kertay hain.
HulChul
Salman um ja'oo ja ker jo tum kerty hoo keroo yaha tum hamlogo ka time waste ker rahay hoo ajeeb bandy hoo apni kitabo ko nahi manty apnay mufaseroon ko nahi manty jaoo apna kaam keroo
hussain mavia1
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Ameer ul Momineen(as) Ali ibn e abi talib Allah tala ki taraf say banaye gaye allah k wali hen, rasool allah(saw) k bad un k wasi hain
Janab app logon k saath ya hi to masala hay k app khali wali mantay hain aur ALLHAMDULILLAH ham dunya k tamam walioon ko un k pawoon par lagnay wali matti ka aik zara bhi nahi samaghtay

Ya hay sunniyoon ka manna abb tum bhi hatdharmi chor kar Islam qubool kar loo dawat dayna mayra farz hay


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or musalmanon k pehlay khalifa jinhon nay kabhi kisi ghair e masoom k hath per bayet nahi ki...


Agar un ka 3no khulafa k haath par bayet karna dikha don sunni aur shiya books say to app bataoo sunni honay ka elaan karaoo gey aur kahoo gey shiya kafir hain ????????????

simple han ya nahi may jawab do


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or tum rasool allah(saw) k ghadeeri hokum ko nahi mantay ho?
Ye pura waqea pehlay bhi bayan kar chukka hon k post main
Ab sirf refrences
Sahih Bukhari vol.9 no.329
Bukhari volume 5, Book 59 Number 637
Rasool Allah said “jis jis ka main mola hon aj say us ka ali(as) bhi mola hay”
Or tumhari kitabon sae sabit hay k jis ne us din nahi mana us per allah ka azab nazil hua

Abay is ka Jawab may tum ko day chuka hon agar mayray jawab ko nahi mantay to Arbic lughat say mola ka meaning aaqa sabit karoo
hussain mavia1
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ap logon ko kuch shiyion se ghalat fehmiyan wahabiyat k fasad ki wajah se hain k shia hazrat ashab e rasool(saw) ko nahi mantay jab k aisa har giz nahi hay...
Yahan wahabi masala nahi chal raha jo idhar udhar ki hank rahay hoo jan churanay k liya ya bhot purana hoo gaya shiya ka usool


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hamain tareekh main milta hay k kuch logon ne pesa kamanay or takht o taj hasil karne k liyen islam qabool kiya tha hum un ko nahi mantay jab k wo log bhi ashab e rasool(saw) main atay hain


Tareekh hamaray liya hujjat nahi hay agar app k liya hay to usi tareekh may shiyoon ki ghadariyaan bhi milti hain to manno ya k shiya ghaddar Quoom hay

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hum un ka naam lekar unhen bura nahi kehna chahtay kiun k kam ilmi ki wajah say jin logon k dilon main un ki mohabbatain beth gayee hen un ka bhi dil na dukhay or is amal ko shia TAQAYYA kehtay hain jo QURAN se sabhit hay

Hamay to Hazrat Ali rza un ki tareef kartay howay nazaf aai hain matlab app Nauzubillah Hazrat Ali rza ko kam ilm sabit karna cha rahay hoo

Lanat bhajta hon tumhari ghatya sooch par
asim10
main ne aap ko pahley bhi warning di thi ke alfaz ke istamal main ahtiat karain,,,, aapka warning level barhaya ja raha hey,,,,, agar aab aap ne apni yeah rawish barqarar rakhi tu apkey posting right mo'atal ker diye jain gey
*RAJA*
QUOTE(hussain mavia1 @ Jun 25 2008, 04:17 PM) *
Salman sahab app par kafi sawal due hain zara abb koai idher udher ki post karnay k bajay app un sawaloon k jawab day dain



wu jiwab zaroor dain ghain ghalban oun ka zakir aaj ka chutiyoun par hai.................
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Reehab
Asswl may jwab woh deta hay jin kay pass thos bunyad per malommat hoon in kay pass to ratty rataye jawab hien jo kehty phirty hien. gustakh sahaba na to kabhi jannet may jaien gey na jannet ki shakel dkehine gey. rahi baat in kay dalellonn ki in kay pas skissi bhi kissem ka dallel mojood nahi hay. so beware of the nouncesne concept of shiya
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