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Karbala Ke Shuhuda , Ku Shaheed Kis Ne Kia
Yazeed (R.A) Ya Shimar Ne ?
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Full Version: Jawab Chiaye?
i guess shimr nay
QUOTE(sunny_prince2020 @ Jul 6 2008, 05:14 AM) [snapback]2959199[/snapback]
i guess shimr nay
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Magar Aur Kisi Ne Reply Nahi Kia Hai ?
mene kahin perha hai k shimar ne
QUOTE(classic @ Jul 6 2008, 04:23 PM) [snapback]2959509[/snapback]
mene kahin perha hai k shimar ne
g shimar nay nahin aik aour shakhs tha sannan bin annas jo kisi zamanay main sydna ali rz ka shia hota tha.aour us ka baap bhee sydna ali rz ke faouj ka sipahee tha.
yazeed baichara to shia kay jhoot ka shikar ho gaiya,aour shia nay yeh jhoot itna ziyda bola kay sunni bhee apnay is tabayee ko zalim kehnay lagay .
hmm let more see
for comments
for comments
asa
asal main to yazeed ke history say pata chalta hay kay woh apnay waqat ka muslmanoon ka hero tha. kowee usay KHATEEB AL ASHDAK (BA ASSAR KHATEEB)kehta tha, kowee usay FATAA AL ARAB(ARABOO KA FAKHAR YA JAWAN) kehta tha.magar baichara shioon kay hath char gaiya aour hum bhee usay zalim kehnay lagay . allah humain sahih rah dekha aiy. ameen suma ameen
asal main to yazeed ke history say pata chalta hay kay woh apnay waqat ka muslmanoon ka hero tha. kowee usay KHATEEB AL ASHDAK (BA ASSAR KHATEEB)kehta tha, kowee usay FATAA AL ARAB(ARABOO KA FAKHAR YA JAWAN) kehta tha.magar baichara shioon kay hath char gaiya aour hum bhee usay zalim kehnay lagay . allah humain sahih rah dekha aiy. ameen suma ameen
Baat
aa gaee hai. Meraa sawaal yeh hai keh kya hum her Arab ko role model tasleem karte hoay usski parawi karne ke paaband haiN? Kya Islam sirf ArbooN ke liye utra tha? Kya Arabs (jo guzar gaey) ma fooq.ul.bashar the? Kya woh ghalatiyouN se mubarra the? Kya hum unki ma'ashrat, taur tareeqay, jahaalat, qabaaeeli masaail, khaandani jhagray .. apne ooper lagoo karne ke paaband haiN? Kya non-arab tehzeebooN ne koi qaabil.e.qadar aalim paida nahi kiya ... aur agar kiya hai tu kya uss ne Islam ki ghalat tashreeh ki hai?
Mujhe lagta hai keh tareekhi sadmay hamaiN (musalmanooN) ko jaan.bar nahi hone daiNge.
Agar mazkora khatoot per koi behas ya guftago maqsood ho tu maiN isse new topic meiN change kardooNga.
asim bhai jab sara wakeya ho gaya tha to kia tab bhi yazeed par haqeeqat nahi khuli ???????
mere bhai yahan yazeed ki bhi koi baat na kijiye ga esi jesi ap loog amoman kartey hain warna may us par bhi ALhumdulilah hawaloon ka dhair laganey ki salahiyat rakhta hon
yazeed nay qatilon k khilaf koi action kiun nahi lia ????
or bhi bari batain hain abi to fatawa ibn timiyya sey bhi bouhat niklain gey
lakin mere khayal sey behter ye hi ho ga k is topic par baat na ki jaye
mere bhai yahan yazeed ki bhi koi baat na kijiye ga esi jesi ap loog amoman kartey hain warna may us par bhi ALhumdulilah hawaloon ka dhair laganey ki salahiyat rakhta hon
yazeed nay qatilon k khilaf koi action kiun nahi lia ????
or bhi bari batain hain abi to fatawa ibn timiyya sey bhi bouhat niklain gey
lakin mere khayal sey behter ye hi ho ga k is topic par baat na ki jaye
QUOTE(Khalish @ Jul 7 2008, 01:29 AM) [snapback]2960439[/snapback]
Baat
aa gaee hai. Meraa sawaal yeh hai keh kya hum her Arab ko role model tasleem karte hoay usski parawi karne ke paaband haiN? Kya Islam sirf ArbooN ke liye utra tha? Kya Arabs (jo guzar gaey) ma fooq.ul.bashar the? Kya woh ghalatiyouN se mubarra the? Kya hum unki ma'ashrat, taur tareeqay, jahaalat, qabaaeeli masaail, khaandani jhagray .. apne ooper lagoo karne ke paaband haiN? Kya non-arab tehzeebooN ne koi qaabil.e.qadar aalim paida nahi kiya ... aur agar kiya hai tu kya uss ne Islam ki ghalat tashreeh ki hai?
Mujhe lagta hai keh tareekhi sadmay hamaiN (musalmanooN) ko jaan.bar nahi hone daiNge.
Agar mazkora khatoot per koi behas ya guftago maqsood ho tu maiN isse new topic meiN change kardooNga.
go bahas maqsood naheeN magar yahaaN bainul satoor yeh tassur obhartaa hai k ... arab hi sab kuch naheeN, hum ajami bhi bahoot kuch haiN.... lehaza 'hamaiN' bhi role model tasleem kia jaye.... ser g baray adab say arz karnay ki jasarat karouNga k islam maiN ... role model to sirf aik hi hai aur woh ARAB hi hai yaani Hazrat Muhammad PBUH.... aur onkay baad jo chand mustanad role models haiN, jinki tasdeeq khud nabi.e.kareem saw nay ki woh aap k sahabah karaam RA hain aur yeh bhi ittefaq say sab k sab ARAB thay............ in 2 categories k baad k log sirf ossi soorat mai qaabilay qabool hongay agar woh in ARABS say match karengay. agar koi ajami in arabs (nabi saw & sahabah RA) say match nah karay to yeh role models naheeN.... goaya kissi non-arab k liyeh role model bannay ki sanad bhi arabs hi say milegi......... aap ka jin arbouN k saath othna baithna hai... inki khamiyouN ki binaa par aap ARABS ko islam say separate nahi karsaktay, negate nahi karsaktay.... islam maiN SANAD arabi aur arab hi haiN... badqismati say jo non-arab muslims in arbouN k saath baras haa baras say qayaam pazeer haiN... in maiN say 99 % arabic zoban say naabalad haiN.... aur communication gaps k baaes arabs ko apnay dil ki baat nah samjha saktay haiN nah onkay dil ki baat samajh saktay haiN........... lekin jo aik feesad non-arabs far.far arabi bol saktay hain, arbouN ki tarah..... aisay log bil.amoom maujoodah arbouN say etnay shaaki nahee jetnay k doosray log.
hum ajami being a muslim nah sirf yeh k apni deeni zobaan arabic say naawaaqif haiN balkay jinhaiN arab society maiN barsouN rahnay ka moqah milta hai woh bhi khud ko arabic zobaan say door hi rakhna pasand kartay haiN. yeh hamari badqismati hai aur kuch naheeN.
yeh hamari kotaah.nazri hogi agar hum yeh tasleem nah karaiN k:
1. aaj bhi dunyaa bhar maiN jiss jagah sab say zeyadah islam ka amli namoonah maujood hai, woh aik arab society hi hai i.e. saudia arabia
2. 100% islam to aaj sirf aur sirf kitabouN maiN mahfooz hai aur woh bhi arabi kitabouN maiN i.e. quran o ahaadees. aur 100% islam ka amali namoonah bhi hamaiN aik arab society hi maiN milega jahaaN nabi.e.kareem saw aur onkay sahabah ki khilafat maujood thee.
3. poori islami tareekh maiN aisee koi society / tahzeeb nahi guzree jahaaN existing arab society say zeyadah islam naafiz ho.... shayad hi koi aisee kissi reyasat ki nisahndahi karsakaiN jo non-arab ho ... magar apnay hi daur k jumlah arab tahzeebouN say zeyadah islami ho.
islam ka arab aur arabi say gahraa naataa hai. yeh rishtah kamzore karnay walay yahoodi o nasaraa aur onkay hum.khayaal daanish.wer haiN. jinhaiN amerika aur europe maiN to islam bahoot zeyadah nazar aataa hai magar islam k core place, aik arab society maiN khaamiyaaN hi khamiyaaN nazar aati haiN.
1. aaj bhi dunyaa bhar maiN jiss jagah sab say zeyadah islam ka amli namoonah maujood hai, woh aik arab society hi hai i.e. saudia arabia
2. 100% islam to aaj sirf aur sirf kitabouN maiN mahfooz hai aur woh bhi arabi kitabouN maiN i.e. quran o ahaadees. aur 100% islam ka amali namoonah bhi hamaiN aik arab society hi maiN milega jahaaN nabi.e.kareem saw aur onkay sahabah ki khilafat maujood thee.
3. poori islami tareekh maiN aisee koi society / tahzeeb nahi guzree jahaaN existing arab society say zeyadah islam naafiz ho.... shayad hi koi aisee kissi reyasat ki nisahndahi karsakaiN jo non-arab ho ... magar apnay hi daur k jumlah arab tahzeebouN say zeyadah islami ho.
islam ka arab aur arabi say gahraa naataa hai. yeh rishtah kamzore karnay walay yahoodi o nasaraa aur onkay hum.khayaal daanish.wer haiN. jinhaiN amerika aur europe maiN to islam bahoot zeyadah nazar aataa hai magar islam k core place, aik arab society maiN khaamiyaaN hi khamiyaaN nazar aati haiN.
QUOTE(Abu Adnan @ Jul 7 2008, 12:30 PM) [snapback]2961193[/snapback]
go bahas maqsood naheeN magar yahaaN bainul satoor yeh tassur obhartaa hai k ... arab hi sab kuch naheeN, hum ajami bhi bahoot kuch haiN.... lehaza 'hamaiN' bhi role model tasleem kia jaye.... ser g baray adab say arz karnay ki jasarat karouNga k islam maiN ... role model to sirf aik hi hai aur woh ARAB hi hai yaani Hazrat Muhammad PBUH.... aur onkay baad jo chand mustanad role models haiN, jinki tasdeeq khud nabi.e.kareem saw nay ki woh aap k sahabah karaam RA hain aur yeh bhi ittefaq say sab k sab ARAB thay............ in 2 categories k baad k log sirf ossi soorat mai qaabilay qabool hongay agar woh in ARABS say match karengay. agar koi ajami in arabs (nabi saw & sahabah RA) say match nah karay to yeh role models naheeN.... goaya kissi non-arab k liyeh role model bannay ki sanad bhi arabs hi say milegi......... aap ka jin arbouN k saath othna baithna hai... inki khamiyouN ki binaa par aap ARABS ko islam say separate nahi karsaktay, negate nahi karsaktay.... islam maiN SANAD arabi aur arab hi haiN... badqismati say jo non-arab muslims in arbouN k saath baras haa baras say qayaam pazeer haiN... in maiN say 99 % arabic zoban say naabalad haiN.... aur communication gaps k baaes arabs ko apnay dil ki baat nah samjha saktay haiN nah onkay dil ki baat samajh saktay haiN........... lekin jo aik feesad non-arabs far.far arabi bol saktay hain, arbouN ki tarah..... aisay log bil.amoom maujoodah arbouN say etnay shaaki nahee jetnay k doosray log.
hum ajami being a muslim nah sirf yeh k apni deeni zobaan arabic say naawaaqif haiN balkay jinhaiN arab society maiN barsouN rahnay ka moqah milta hai woh bhi khud ko arabic zobaan say door hi rakhna pasand kartay haiN. yeh hamari badqismati hai aur kuch naheeN.
hum ajami being a muslim nah sirf yeh k apni deeni zobaan arabic say naawaaqif haiN balkay jinhaiN arab society maiN barsouN rahnay ka moqah milta hai woh bhi khud ko arabic zobaan say door hi rakhna pasand kartay haiN. yeh hamari badqismati hai aur kuch naheeN.
Dear Abu-Adnan:
Meri jis tehreer ke awaleen hisse ko aap ne nishaan zadah kiya hai ussmeiN aap aik key word ko note karna bhool gaye haiN .. maiN ne likha tha keh:kya hum her Arab ko role model tasleem karte hoay usski parawi karne ke paaband haiN?
Jo kuch aap ne farmaaya mujhe uss se qataee inkaar.o.ikhtilaaf nahi hai. Lekin maiN phir apni baat per israar karooNga keh HER ARAB ko role model tasleem nahi kiya jaa sakta. Meraa ishaara hargiz hargiz Rehbar.e.Kamil SAW aur khulafa.e.rashideen aur sahaba kiraam ki jaanib na tha.
Kis ne kis ko qatal kya, zimme.daar jo bhi ho woh tu mar khab gaya, kya zaroori hai keh hum maskh tareekh, bilkhasoos iss ma'amle meiN, jo keh yaqeenan Arabs ne he likha hai, sar.phutawwal karte phiraiN.
O Hoo ... Mein Ne Tu Is Sawal Ka Jawab Pocha Hai ...
Ke Karbala Ke Shuhuda , Ku Shaheed Kis Ne Kia ?
app loog tu baat kahein aur lay gye hain ..
Ke Karbala Ke Shuhuda , Ku Shaheed Kis Ne Kia ?
app loog tu baat kahein aur lay gye hain ..
QUOTE(Khalish @ Jul 7 2008, 02:29 AM) [snapback]2960439[/snapback]
Baat
aa gaee hai. Meraa sawaal yeh hai keh kya hum her Arab ko role model tasleem karte hoay usski parawi karne ke paaband haiN? Kya Islam sirf ArbooN ke liye utra tha? Kya Arabs (jo guzar gaey) ma fooq.ul.bashar the? Kya woh ghalatiyouN se mubarra the? Kya hum unki ma'ashrat, taur tareeqay, jahaalat, qabaaeeli masaail, khaandani jhagray .. apne ooper lagoo karne ke paaband haiN? Kya non-arab tehzeebooN ne koi qaabil.e.qadar aalim paida nahi kiya ... aur agar kiya hai tu kya uss ne Islam ki ghalat tashreeh ki hai?
Mujhe lagta hai keh tareekhi sadmay hamaiN (musalmanooN) ko jaan.bar nahi hone daiNge.
Agar mazkora khatoot per koi behas ya guftago maqsood ho tu maiN isse new topic meiN change kardooNga.
[size="4"][b]bilkul kuch samjh nahin ayee is post ka is topic say kiya taluk hay.[size]
QUOTE(sunny_prince2020 @ Jul 7 2008, 03:18 PM) [snapback]2961182[/snapback]
asim bhai jab sara wakeya ho gaya tha to kia tab bhi yazeed par haqeeqat nahi khuli ???????
mere bhai yahan yazeed ki bhi koi baat na kijiye ga esi jesi ap loog amoman kartey hain warna may us par bhi ALhumdulilah hawaloon ka dhair laganey ki salahiyat rakhta hon
yazeed nay qatilon k khilaf koi action kiun nahi lia ????
or bhi bari batain hain abi to fatawa ibn timiyya sey bhi bouhat niklain gey
lakin mere khayal sey behter ye hi ho ga k is topic par baat na ki jaye
mere bhai yahan yazeed ki bhi koi baat na kijiye ga esi jesi ap loog amoman kartey hain warna may us par bhi ALhumdulilah hawaloon ka dhair laganey ki salahiyat rakhta hon
yazeed nay qatilon k khilaf koi action kiun nahi lia ????
or bhi bari batain hain abi to fatawa ibn timiyya sey bhi bouhat niklain gey
lakin mere khayal sey behter ye hi ho ga k is topic par baat na ki jaye
asa
sunny bahi mujhay app say gila nahin jab humray baray baray ulema kay yazeed kay khilaf fatway hain too aik aam admi ka kowee qasoor nahin. app nay kaha kay app app is mamalay main hawaloon kay dair laga saktay hain.mujhay is baat ka bhee achee tarha pata hay kay app aisa kar saktay hain.laikin main nay jo baat kee woh yazeed say kisi hamdardee kay taour per nahin kahee jo thora buhat mujhay ilm kay us kay motabiq kahee.main app ke tarha ref kay dair to nahin laga sakta magar kuch hawala jat to main bhee paish kar sakta hoon.
rahee yeh baat kay yazeed nay mazkoora shakhs ko saza kiuon na dee.to bahi app zara kisi bhee mustanid tareekh say yeh sabit kar dain kay sydna hussain rz ko kis nay shaheed kiya.to jis nay shaheed ,saza to us ko milni chaheya thee.na kay her kisi ko yazeed saza daita phirta.woh aik hukmaran tha kowee jallad nahin. aour kisi ko bhee bilawajah saza daina bhee khilafay islam hay.
app nay kaha is topic per baat na karoon bhai ilm main izafa isi tarha ho ta hay na kay sirf itefaqee batoon per aik dosray ke tayeed kar kay.
QUOTE(Khalish @ Jul 7 2008, 03:37 PM) [snapback]2961292[/snapback]
Dear Abu-Adnan:
Meri jis tehreer ke awaleen hisse ko aap ne nishaan zadah kiya hai ussmeiN aap aik key word ko note karna bhool gaye haiN .. maiN ne likha tha keh:kya hum her Arab ko role model tasleem karte hoay usski parawi karne ke paaband haiN?
Jo kuch aap ne farmaaya mujhe uss se qataee inkaar.o.ikhtilaaf nahi hai. Lekin maiN phir apni baat per israar karooNga keh HER ARAB ko role model tasleem nahi kiya jaa sakta. Meraa ishaara hargiz hargiz Rehbar.e.Kamil SAW aur khulafa.e.rashideen aur sahaba kiraam ki jaanib na tha.
Kis ne kis ko qatal kya, zimme.daar jo bhi ho woh tu mar khab gaya, kya zaroori hai keh hum maskh tareekh, bilkhasoos iss ma'amle meiN, jo keh yaqeenan Arabs ne he likha hai, sar.phutawwal karte phiraiN.
Meri jis tehreer ke awaleen hisse ko aap ne nishaan zadah kiya hai ussmeiN aap aik key word ko note karna bhool gaye haiN .. maiN ne likha tha keh:kya hum her Arab ko role model tasleem karte hoay usski parawi karne ke paaband haiN?
Jo kuch aap ne farmaaya mujhe uss se qataee inkaar.o.ikhtilaaf nahi hai. Lekin maiN phir apni baat per israar karooNga keh HER ARAB ko role model tasleem nahi kiya jaa sakta. Meraa ishaara hargiz hargiz Rehbar.e.Kamil SAW aur khulafa.e.rashideen aur sahaba kiraam ki jaanib na tha.
Kis ne kis ko qatal kya, zimme.daar jo bhi ho woh tu mar khab gaya, kya zaroori hai keh hum maskh tareekh, bilkhasoos iss ma'amle meiN, jo keh yaqeenan Arabs ne he likha hai, sar.phutawwal karte phiraiN.
100% true
pasay tahreer: arbouN maiN achay log bhi thay /haiN aur boray log bhi thay /hain..... aur ismaiN arbouN ki koi 'qaid' naheeN... yeh kulya to har qaum par lagoo hota hai ... magar islam, asal islam ki talsh k liyeh hum arab aur arbouN ko negate nahi karsaktay yeh kah kar k ajam maiN bhi baRay baRay aalim aur wali Allah paida howay.
QUOTE(Khalish @ Jul 6 2008, 08:29 PM) [snapback]2960439[/snapback]
Baat
aa gaee hai. Meraa sawaal yeh hai keh kya hum her Arab ko role model tasleem karte hoay usski parawi karne ke paaband haiN? Kya Islam sirf ArbooN ke liye utra tha? Kya Arabs (jo guzar gaey) ma fooq.ul.bashar the? Kya woh ghalatiyouN se mubarra the? Kya hum unki ma'ashrat, taur tareeqay, jahaalat, qabaaeeli masaail, khaandani jhagray .. apne ooper lagoo karne ke paaband haiN? Kya non-arab tehzeebooN ne koi qaabil.e.qadar aalim paida nahi kiya ... aur agar kiya hai tu kya uss ne Islam ki ghalat tashreeh ki hai?
Mujhe lagta hai keh tareekhi sadmay hamaiN (musalmanooN) ko jaan.bar nahi hone daiNge.
Agar mazkora khatoot per koi behas ya guftago maqsood ho tu maiN isse new topic meiN change kardooNga.
App Agher Isko OffTopic Bana Dain Tou MAin Kuch Kah Nai Sakta Aap Say Oper Tak Jitnay Bhi Reply Hain Topic Ky Mutabic Hain Baat Yazeed Shimer Ki He hoo Rahe Hy Unky Kirdaar Ki Hoo Rahe Hy
Baherhaal
Najnay Ki U Mujko Aap ki Batoo Say Bagawat Ki Bu Atte Hy Islam Saay Bagawat Ki Agher Zara Saa Aqal Say Sochain Tou aap Ki Batain Bai maeene lagain gee aise dohri batain hain ky jinko jis matlab main chahoo dhal loo jaisa aap ny fermaya '' Ham Her Arab Ko role Model Samjhty Hooway Uski Pairavee Kerain Gain ''
Tou Bhai Qasoor Kiska Hy Iss Main Islam Tou Arab Saay He Nikla Tou Iss Liyay Hamko Unki Pairavee Tou Kerni He Hooge Derasal Islam Kay Ahkamaat Hain Kia Issko Samjhna hooga Misaal Hy aap ko hamko Namaaz Kisny Sekha'ee Ab Quran Main Tou bass itna he likha hy Namaaz Qaeem Keroo yay jo ham namaz perhty hain kis ny bataya Nabi Pak Salalaho alaihe wasal ny aisay namaz perhi yay hamko kis ny bataya Ahadees ny ahadees kis ny Quote ki Imam Bukhaire ny ( aur buhat saay hain main sirf samjhny ky liyay inka tazkera ker raha hon )
tou masael kis ny biyaan kiyay imam abu hanifa ny imam shab ny apnay pass saay tou nahi na biyaan kerdiyay Quran Aur Hadees saay he liyay na agher apnay pass saay biyan kiyay hoon tou baat bhi hy agher main imam abu hanifa ka fatwa maan raha hoon tou naooozbilah main koi imam shab ko nabi nahi man raha bulkay unka fatwa iss liyay maaan raha hoon ki u kay mujko pata hy ky unho ny sahaba saay ilm hasil kiya hy unki rasa'ee motaber hy iss liyay unka fatwa manliya aaj ham main aik baat aa gaee hy Molvi ki nahi manty DR ki maan laity hain halaky jitne Sakht aik alim ki Training hote hy Dr ki nahi hote per hamko DR ki baat ka aitabar hy Molvi ki baat ka nahi
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jul 7 2008, 11:27 AM) [snapback]2961353[/snapback]
asa
sunny bahi mujhay app say gila nahin jab humray baray baray ulema kay yazeed kay khilaf fatway hain too aik aam admi ka kowee qasoor nahin. app nay kaha kay app app is mamalay main hawaloon kay dair laga saktay hain.mujhay is baat ka bhee achee tarha pata hay kay app aisa kar saktay hain.laikin main nay jo baat kee woh yazeed say kisi hamdardee kay taour per nahin kahee jo thora buhat mujhay ilm kay us kay motabiq kahee.main app ke tarha ref kay dair to nahin laga sakta magar kuch hawala jat to main bhee paish kar sakta hoon.
rahee yeh baat kay yazeed nay mazkoora shakhs ko saza kiuon na dee.to bahi app zara kisi bhee mustanid tareekh say yeh sabit kar dain kay sydna hussain rz ko kis nay shaheed kiya.to jis nay shaheed ,saza to us ko milni chaheya thee.na kay her kisi ko yazeed saza daita phirta.woh aik hukmaran tha kowee jallad nahin. aour kisi ko bhee bilawajah saza daina bhee khilafay islam hay.
app nay kaha is topic per baat na karoon bhai ilm main izafa isi tarha ho ta hay na kay sirf itefaqee batoon per aik dosray ke tayeed kar kay.
sunny bahi mujhay app say gila nahin jab humray baray baray ulema kay yazeed kay khilaf fatway hain too aik aam admi ka kowee qasoor nahin. app nay kaha kay app app is mamalay main hawaloon kay dair laga saktay hain.mujhay is baat ka bhee achee tarha pata hay kay app aisa kar saktay hain.laikin main nay jo baat kee woh yazeed say kisi hamdardee kay taour per nahin kahee jo thora buhat mujhay ilm kay us kay motabiq kahee.main app ke tarha ref kay dair to nahin laga sakta magar kuch hawala jat to main bhee paish kar sakta hoon.
rahee yeh baat kay yazeed nay mazkoora shakhs ko saza kiuon na dee.to bahi app zara kisi bhee mustanid tareekh say yeh sabit kar dain kay sydna hussain rz ko kis nay shaheed kiya.to jis nay shaheed ,saza to us ko milni chaheya thee.na kay her kisi ko yazeed saza daita phirta.woh aik hukmaran tha kowee jallad nahin. aour kisi ko bhee bilawajah saza daina bhee khilafay islam hay.
app nay kaha is topic per baat na karoon bhai ilm main izafa isi tarha ho ta hay na kay sirf itefaqee batoon per aik dosray ke tayeed kar kay.
lashker ky qooloo fail ka zimaidaar uska Supah Salaar hota hy
Her kisi saay uski Raeeyat ky baray main sawal kiya ja;ay ga yay tou Allah ka Qanoom hy
Issi terha Merd apnay Gher ka Hukmaran hy ussay uss baray main sawal kiya ja'ay ga
Yay Allah Tahla Ny Qiyamat Walay Din Pochna Hy Agher Yazeed Yaha Kuch Nahi Ker Sakta Tou
Pata Nahi Akhirat Main Kia Haal Hoga
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App Agher Isko OffTopic Bana Dain Tou MAin Kuch Kah Nai Sakta Aap Say Oper Tak Jitnay Bhi Reply Hain Topic Ky Mutabic Hain Baat Yazeed Shimer Ki He hoo Rahe Hy Unky Kirdaar Ki Hoo Rahe Hy
Baherhaal
Najnay Ki U Mujko Aap ki Batoo Say Bagawat Ki Bu Atte Hy Islam Saay Bagawat Ki Agher Zara Saa Aqal Say Sochain Tou aap Ki Batain Bai maeene lagain gee aise dohri batain hain ky jinko jis matlab main chahoo dhal loo jaisa aap ny fermaya '' Ham Her Arab Ko role Model Samjhty Hooway Uski Pairavee Kerain Gain ''
Tou Bhai Qasoor Kiska Hy Iss Main Islam Tou Arab Saay He Nikla Tou Iss Liyay Hamko Unki Pairavee Tou Kerni He Hooge Derasal Islam Kay Ahkamaat Hain Kia Issko Samjhna hooga Misaal Hy aap ko hamko Namaaz Kisny Sekha'ee Ab Quran Main Tou bass itna he likha hy Namaaz Qaeem Keroo yay jo ham namaz perhty hain kis ny bataya Nabi Pak Salalaho alaihe wasal ny aisay namaz perhi yay hamko kis ny bataya Ahadees ny ahadees kis ny Quote ki Imam Bukhaire ny ( aur buhat saay hain main sirf samjhny ky liyay inka tazkera ker raha hon )
tou masael kis ny biyaan kiyay imam abu hanifa ny imam shab ny apnay pass saay tou nahi na biyaan kerdiyay Quran Aur Hadees saay he liyay na agher apnay pass saay biyan kiyay hoon tou baat bhi hy agher main imam abu hanifa ka fatwa maan raha hoon tou naooozbilah main koi imam shab ko nabi nahi man raha bulkay unka fatwa iss liyay maaan raha hoon ki u kay mujko pata hy ky unho ny sahaba saay ilm hasil kiya hy unki rasa'ee motaber hy iss liyay unka fatwa manliya aaj ham main aik baat aa gaee hy Molvi ki nahi manty DR ki maan laity hain halaky jitne Sakht aik alim ki Training hote hy Dr ki nahi hote per hamko DR ki baat ka aitabar hy Molvi ki baat ka nahi
Baherhaal
Najnay Ki U Mujko Aap ki Batoo Say Bagawat Ki Bu Atte Hy Islam Saay Bagawat Ki Agher Zara Saa Aqal Say Sochain Tou aap Ki Batain Bai maeene lagain gee aise dohri batain hain ky jinko jis matlab main chahoo dhal loo jaisa aap ny fermaya '' Ham Her Arab Ko role Model Samjhty Hooway Uski Pairavee Kerain Gain ''
Tou Bhai Qasoor Kiska Hy Iss Main Islam Tou Arab Saay He Nikla Tou Iss Liyay Hamko Unki Pairavee Tou Kerni He Hooge Derasal Islam Kay Ahkamaat Hain Kia Issko Samjhna hooga Misaal Hy aap ko hamko Namaaz Kisny Sekha'ee Ab Quran Main Tou bass itna he likha hy Namaaz Qaeem Keroo yay jo ham namaz perhty hain kis ny bataya Nabi Pak Salalaho alaihe wasal ny aisay namaz perhi yay hamko kis ny bataya Ahadees ny ahadees kis ny Quote ki Imam Bukhaire ny ( aur buhat saay hain main sirf samjhny ky liyay inka tazkera ker raha hon )
tou masael kis ny biyaan kiyay imam abu hanifa ny imam shab ny apnay pass saay tou nahi na biyaan kerdiyay Quran Aur Hadees saay he liyay na agher apnay pass saay biyan kiyay hoon tou baat bhi hy agher main imam abu hanifa ka fatwa maan raha hoon tou naooozbilah main koi imam shab ko nabi nahi man raha bulkay unka fatwa iss liyay maaan raha hoon ki u kay mujko pata hy ky unho ny sahaba saay ilm hasil kiya hy unki rasa'ee motaber hy iss liyay unka fatwa manliya aaj ham main aik baat aa gaee hy Molvi ki nahi manty DR ki maan laity hain halaky jitne Sakht aik alim ki Training hote hy Dr ki nahi hote per hamko DR ki baat ka aitabar hy Molvi ki baat ka nahi
Jiss baat se aap ko baghawat ki boo aati hai maiN usski wazahat Abu-Adnan
ko reply karte hoay kar chuka hooN. Meri kahi baat ya tashweesh ka aap shayed ahaata nahi kar sake ya phir maiN apni baat dhang se na keh saka. Accha chand baateiN haiN jinka tashaffi bakhsh jawaab darkaar hai?(1) Kya Islam sirf ArbooN ke liye utra tha ya phir yeh iss aalam ke tamaam insanooN ke liye utaara gaya hai .. (agar aap isse sirf aur sirf arbooN ke liye samajhte haiN .. tu phir yaqeenan behas ka mooqa banta hai).
(2) Kya ArbooN ka culture tamaam musalmanooN per lago hota hai? Agar aap ka jawaab haaN meiN hai tu phir kal se hamaiN pakistan meiN kam az kam joint family system khatam kar deyna chahiye ...
Aur bhi buhot si baateiN poochi jaa sakti haiN. Jiss baat ne mujhe initial reply ke liye majboor kiya woh yehi thi .. keh aaya hum ghalat riwayaat .. jinka ka sar pair nahi hai aur jo yaqeenan arbooN he se riwayat hoi haiN aaNkhaiN band karke amal kar sakte haiN? Abu-Adnan
iss nuktay ki wazahat bhi kar chuke haiN keh yeh kuch sirf arbooN tak he mehdood nahi hai her mashray meiN hota hai aur jhoot/such her koi apni iste'daar ke mutabiq likh deyta hai .. aur 100/200 saal baad woh fitna sar uthaata hai jo boone waala baray aaraam se bo gaya tha.. AB HUM ISLAM KO FOLLOW KARAIN YA TAREEKH KO?? This is the key question.
eysayeh siwaloun par khamoshi behter hai...............
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(1) Kya Islam sirf ArbooN ke liye utra tha ya phir yeh iss aalam ke tamaam insanooN ke liye utaara gaya hai .. (agar aap isse sirf aur sirf arbooN ke liye samajhte haiN .. tu phir yaqeenan behas ka mooqa banta hai).
Is Main Koi Shak Nahi Hy Islam Pori Insaniyat Ky Liyay Utra Hy
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(2) Kya ArbooN ka culture tamaam musalmanooN per lago hota hai? Agar aap ka jawaab haaN meiN hai tu phir kal se hamaiN pakistan meiN kam az kam joint family system khatam kar deyna chahiye ...
Hmmmz Ismain Kafi Batain Hain Jaisay Takhno Saay Uper Shalwar Kerna
Ab Arab Main Takhno Saay Nechay Shalwar Kerkay Ghomna Takabur Ki Nishani Hy
Ab Asain Main Aisa Nahi Hy Takhno Saay Nechay Hoo ya Oper Yaha Koi Khass Matlab Nahi
Liya Jata Per Ham sab Kerty Hain Ab yay Waha Ka Culture Hy Rewaaj hy
Aslamalikum. may nay sub perh liya hay per abhi comments nahi doon ga kissi kokuch poochna hay may hazir hoon.
ASSALAM O ALAYKUM
Yahan kafi batain ho chuki hain magar bhaiyoon aur behno asal masla ya nahi hay k Hazrat Hussain rza ko shaheed kis nay kia hamaray aur app k sochnay ki baat ya hay k aakhir Hazrat Hussain rza karbala gey kyun thay woo kia halat thay jo Hazrat rza ko karbala jana para aur kia ajj k halat us say zayada kharab nahi hain??????? agar hain to Hussaini kirdar ka ham say kia takaza hay???????????
Allah pak samajhnay ki taufeeq aata farmain(Ameen)
Jazak Allah
Yahan kafi batain ho chuki hain magar bhaiyoon aur behno asal masla ya nahi hay k Hazrat Hussain rza ko shaheed kis nay kia hamaray aur app k sochnay ki baat ya hay k aakhir Hazrat Hussain rza karbala gey kyun thay woo kia halat thay jo Hazrat rza ko karbala jana para aur kia ajj k halat us say zayada kharab nahi hain??????? agar hain to Hussaini kirdar ka ham say kia takaza hay???????????
Allah pak samajhnay ki taufeeq aata farmain(Ameen)
Jazak Allah
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ASSALAM O ALAYKUM
Yahan kafi batain ho chuki hain magar bhaiyoon aur behno asal masla ya nahi hay k Hazrat Hussain rza ko shaheed kis nay kia hamaray aur app k sochnay ki baat ya hay k aakhir Hazrat Hussain rza karbala gey kyun thay woo kia halat thay jo Hazrat rza ko karbala jana para aur kia ajj k halat us say zayada kharab nahi hain??????? agar hain to Hussaini kirdar ka ham say kia takaza hay???????????
Allah pak samajhnay ki taufeeq aata farmain(Ameen)
Jazak Allah
Yahan kafi batain ho chuki hain magar bhaiyoon aur behno asal masla ya nahi hay k Hazrat Hussain rza ko shaheed kis nay kia hamaray aur app k sochnay ki baat ya hay k aakhir Hazrat Hussain rza karbala gey kyun thay woo kia halat thay jo Hazrat rza ko karbala jana para aur kia ajj k halat us say zayada kharab nahi hain??????? agar hain to Hussaini kirdar ka ham say kia takaza hay???????????
Allah pak samajhnay ki taufeeq aata farmain(Ameen)
Jazak Allah
asa
hussain mavia bahi app kay sawal ka main nay jawab diya to buhat say loog mujh say naraz ho jaa ain ghay kay tum nay sydna hussain rz ke shan main ghustakhee kee hay.magar haqeeqat yeh hay kay sydna hussain rz talb aiy hakoomat kay leyai kofa gayai thay , kisi mazhabi fareezay ke adaigee kay leyai nahin . agar pora waqiya app ke nazar main ho to app bhee yhee kahain ghay.
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asa
hussain mavia bahi app kay sawal ka main nay jawab diya to buhat say loog mujh say naraz ho jaa ain ghay kay tum nay sydna hussain rz ke shan main ghustakhee kee hay.magar haqeeqat yeh hay kay sydna hussain rz talb aiy hakoomat kay leyai kofa gayai thay , kisi mazhabi fareezay ke adaigee kay leyai nahin . agar pora waqiya app ke nazar main ho to app bhee yhee kahain ghay.
hussain mavia bahi app kay sawal ka main nay jawab diya to buhat say loog mujh say naraz ho jaa ain ghay kay tum nay sydna hussain rz ke shan main ghustakhee kee hay.magar haqeeqat yeh hay kay sydna hussain rz talb aiy hakoomat kay leyai kofa gayai thay , kisi mazhabi fareezay ke adaigee kay leyai nahin . agar pora waqiya app ke nazar main ho to app bhee yhee kahain ghay.
Tumhara demagh durst nahi shayad ..
hussain bhai k sawal karnay say tumhara bughaz tu numayaan hoaa ehl-e-bait k leyh jahil insan tum tu shiyat say bhi 2 hath
agay ho ..
Jinab-e-Rusool Allah(saw) k Nawasay ko (rz) ko tum etna gira hoa sumhajtay ho k wo Iqtidaar Ki talb rakhtay thay?(naaozubillah).
who the hell r u ?? Apna aqeeda yahaan beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum kis bunyaad pay tumnay etna bara bohtan bandha
Hussain(rz) ko Huzoor(saw) jannati jawanoo ka sardar kahayin or tu unhay bolta hai k wo Iqtidaar k leyh gayy thay ??
Teray kehnay k mutabiq k unka wahaan jana Iqtidaar k leyh tha tu means k Unki Tu Shahadat he nahi hoee tu hai kaun ??
Tera tu Nabi(saw) pay he etimaad nahi ..
Apna yahaan aqeeda beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum..
Ager la ilmi ki bunyad pay yeh baat ki tu foran tauba karoo ..
Nahi tu yahaan puri baat tamam waqeyaat ko authentic source k sath paesh karoo...
Ajj ya baat bhi sach hotay howay dekh li k Hazrat ali(rz) say mouhabbat may tajawuz ki waja say aik giroh jahanum may jay gaa aur aik un say bughaz ki waja say sunna to tha magar ajj ALLAh nay apni aakhoon say dekha diya us grouh ka chera..
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Tumhara demagh durst nahi shayad ..
hussain bhai k sawal karnay say tumhara bughaz tu numayaan hoaa ehl-e-bait k leyh jahil insan tum tu shiyat say bhi 2 hath
agay ho ..
Jinab-e-Rusool Allah(saw) k Nawasay ko (rz) ko tum etna gira hoa sumhajtay ho k wo Iqtidaar Ki talb rakhtay thay?(naaozubillah).
who the hell r u ?? Apna aqeeda yahaan beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum kis bunyaad pay tumnay etna bara bohtan bandha
Hussain(rz) ko Huzoor(saw) jannati jawanoo ka sardar kahayin or tu unhay bolta hai k wo Iqtidaar k leyh gayy thay ??
Teray kehnay k mutabiq k unka wahaan jana Iqtidaar k leyh tha tu means k Unki Tu Shahadat he nahi hoee tu hai kaun ??
Tera tu Nabi(saw) pay he etimaad nahi ..
Apna yahaan aqeeda beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum..
Ager la ilmi ki bunyad pay yeh baat ki tu foran tauba karoo ..
Nahi tu yahaan puri baat tamam waqeyaat ko authentic source k sath paesh karoo...
Ajj ya baat bhi sach hotay howay dekh li k Hazrat ali(rz) say mouhabbat may tajawuz ki waja say aik giroh jahanum may jay gaa aur aik un say bughaz ki waja say sunna to tha magar ajj ALLAh nay apni aakhoon say dekha diya us grouh ka chera..
hussain bhai k sawal karnay say tumhara bughaz tu numayaan hoaa ehl-e-bait k leyh jahil insan tum tu shiyat say bhi 2 hath
agay ho ..
Jinab-e-Rusool Allah(saw) k Nawasay ko (rz) ko tum etna gira hoa sumhajtay ho k wo Iqtidaar Ki talb rakhtay thay?(naaozubillah).
who the hell r u ?? Apna aqeeda yahaan beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum kis bunyaad pay tumnay etna bara bohtan bandha
Hussain(rz) ko Huzoor(saw) jannati jawanoo ka sardar kahayin or tu unhay bolta hai k wo Iqtidaar k leyh gayy thay ??
Teray kehnay k mutabiq k unka wahaan jana Iqtidaar k leyh tha tu means k Unki Tu Shahadat he nahi hoee tu hai kaun ??
Tera tu Nabi(saw) pay he etimaad nahi ..
Apna yahaan aqeeda beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum..
Ager la ilmi ki bunyad pay yeh baat ki tu foran tauba karoo ..
Nahi tu yahaan puri baat tamam waqeyaat ko authentic source k sath paesh karoo...
Ajj ya baat bhi sach hotay howay dekh li k Hazrat ali(rz) say mouhabbat may tajawuz ki waja say aik giroh jahanum may jay gaa aur aik un say bughaz ki waja say sunna to tha magar ajj ALLAh nay apni aakhoon say dekha diya us grouh ka chera..
Aap jo kuch kehna chahte haiN usska mafhoom waazeh hai. LEKIN JO LAB.O.LEHJA AAP NE IKHTIYAAR KIYA HAI WOH HC KE LIYE QAABIL.E.QABOOL NAHI HAI. Mujhe ummeed hai keh aap aainda iss ka khaas khayyal rakhaiNge.
Shukriya
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Aap jo kuch kehna chahte haiN usska mafhoom waazeh hai. LEKIN JO LAB.O.LEHJA AAP NE IKHTIYAAR KIYA HAI WOH HC KE LIYE QAABIL.E.QABOOL NAHI HAI. Mujhe ummeed hai keh aap aainda iss ka khaas khayyal rakhaiNge.
Shukriya
Ji Khalish bhai Baat yeh hai k Jab bhi Kabhi Huzoor(saw) k Sathiuon pay kise nay zuban Darazi ki Bohtan Bandha Allah(swt)
nay Unho Alfaz main unka Difa Kia or Hazrat Jibreel-e-ameen(as) K Zareyh Apna Pegham Peghamber(saw) tak Pohanchaya .
Yeh SunnatulAllah k Nabi(saw) unki Ehl-e-Bait(rz) or Tamam Sahaba(rz) wa Sahabiya(rz) ka Difa kia Jay osi Andaz main
jis Andaz main koe Un pay Zuban Darazi karay ya bohtan lagay ya Kise k martabay ko agay karay ya Kise ko peechay
Karay ..
Yeh kitna Bara Bohtaan lagaya hai esnay Mujhsay Bardashat Nahi Hoa main kia karsakta hoon ??
App ko agar lagay k yeh yeh andaz mera theek nahi tu app wohi kareyhga jo apka Forum rulez hain main app k leyh
Apnay dil main buraee nahi laonga InshahAllah k app nay najez kia meray sath app apni jaga majboor main apni..
Hub-e-Sahab(rz) Rehmatullah
Bughaz-e-Sahaba(rz) Lanatullah
shimar ny
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Aslamualikum ,
Mujey Salman Say Pochna Hai Ke ?
Karbala Ke Shuhuda , Ku Shaheed Kis Ne Kia
Yazeed (R.A) Ya Shimar Ne ?
Just Tell me That ?
Mujey Salman Say Pochna Hai Ke ?
Karbala Ke Shuhuda , Ku Shaheed Kis Ne Kia
Yazeed (R.A) Ya Shimar Ne ?
Just Tell me That ?
yazeed k sath (R.A) nhi likha jaata
mind it MR.........
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Tumhara demagh durst nahi shayad ..
[b]asa
bahi demagh to maira darust hay .magar chunkay app history of nahin jantay ya jantay hain ,magar sydna hussain rz ke shakhsiyat kay samnay app un ke ghaltee ko tasleem nahin karna chahtay .
app jo lab o lehja estaimal kiya main to is say bhee ziyada ke tawaqa kar raha tha. magar app nay to phir bhee narmee bartee ,main app ke baat ka mura nahin manaya. is leyai mai admin say bhee kahoon gha kay app kuch na kahain.shukria
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hussain bhai k sawal karnay say tumhara bughaz tu numayaan hoaa ehl-e-bait k leyh jahil insan tum tu shiyat say bhi 2 hath
agay ho ..
agay ho ..
plz thoree see ahlay bait ke tareef bhee kar dain to baat agay karoon .
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Jinab-e-Rusool Allah(saw) k Nawasay ko (rz) ko tum etna gira hoa sumhajtay ho k wo Iqtidaar Ki talb rakhtay thay?(naaozubillah).
bahi sirf yeh bata do agar app history jantay hoo kay phir sydna aqeel ko kofa kis leyai behja tha.aour sydna aqeel wahan ja kar kiya kartay rahay.
aour plz yeh bata dain iqtidar ke talb karnay say kowee admin kis tarah gir sakta hay.kiya iqtiar ke khawahish kowee ghair islami fail hay..
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who the hell r u ?? Apna aqeeda yahaan beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum kis bunyaad pay tumnay etna bara bohtan bandha
Hussain(rz) ko Huzoor(saw) jannati jawanoo ka sardar kahayin or tu unhay bolta hai k wo [color=#FF0000]Iqtidaar[/color] k leyh gayy thay ??
Hussain(rz) ko Huzoor(saw) jannati jawanoo ka sardar kahayin or tu unhay bolta hai k wo [color=#FF0000]Iqtidaar[/color] k leyh gayy thay ??
plz yeh bata dain kiya kowee janatee shakhs ghaltee nahin kar sakta.aour rahee iqtidar ke baat to woh main pehlay hee poch chuka hoo.
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Teray kehnay k mutabiq k unka wahaan jana [color=#FF0000]Iqtidaar [/color]k leyh tha tu means k Unki Tu [color=#FF0000]Shahadat[/color] he nahi hoee tu hai kaun ??
bahi app plz ja kar apnay kisi madrisay main sirf pora waqiya karbal perh lain .app ko mairee baat main wazan nazar aa yai gha.
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Tera tu Nabi(saw) pay he etimaad nahi ..
Apna yahaan aqeeda beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum..[/b]
Apna yahaan aqeeda beyaan karoo k kis firqay k ho tum..[/b]
maira aqeedah quran o sahih hadith or amal aiy sahaba hay.jo amal in 3 sources say milay lay loo jo na milay chor doo.
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Ager la ilmi ki bunyad pay yeh baat ki tu foran tauba karoo ..
main nay poree zimadaree say yeh baat kee hay .
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Nahi tu yahaan puri baat tamam waqeyaat ko authentic source k sath paesh karoo...
admin say pooch loo aour mujhay thora time dain main her baat ref kay sath paish kar doon gha. inshallah
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[color=#4169E1][b]Ajj ya baat bhi sach hotay howay dekh li k Hazrat ali(rz) say mouhabbat may tajawuz ki waja say aik giroh jahanum may jay gaa aur aik un say bughaz ki waja say sunna to tha magar ajj ALLAh nay apni aakhoon say dekha diya us grouh ka chera..[/b][/color]
bahi yahan sydna ali rz ke baat kahan ho rahee hay.
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asa
hussain mavia bahi app kay sawal ka main nay jawab diya to buhat say loog mujh say naraz ho jaa ain ghay kay tum nay sydna hussain rz ke shan main ghustakhee kee hay.magar haqeeqat yeh hay kay sydna hussain rz talb aiy hakoomat kay leyai kofa gayai thay , kisi mazhabi fareezay ke adaigee kay leyai nahin . agar pora waqiya app ke nazar main ho to app bhee yhee kahain ghay.
hussain mavia bahi app kay sawal ka main nay jawab diya to buhat say loog mujh say naraz ho jaa ain ghay kay tum nay sydna hussain rz ke shan main ghustakhee kee hay.magar haqeeqat yeh hay kay sydna hussain rz talb aiy hakoomat kay leyai kofa gayai thay , kisi mazhabi fareezay ke adaigee kay leyai nahin . agar pora waqiya app ke nazar main ho to app bhee yhee kahain ghay.
oper mera aik reply hai eysi batoun par khamoshi behter....................
par jinab kay reply par khamoshi theaq nehi
aap nay janaat kay sardaroun par tohmaat lighai hai oun ko talib hakomaat............... bola hai......
mardood kiay janaat ka sardar talib hakomaat ho sakta hai?
pora waqia teri beybay nay tujyeh sunya tha?
jis ki wu chasahm deed ghiwa thi?
dushmanaan e ahlay bait par lanaat beshumar...............
zazeed shahabi nehei tha jab keh wu (ra) shbahi (ra) thyeh................
itna kafi hai isharoun main jinab kay liyeh
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Ji Khalish bhai Baat yeh hai k Jab bhi Kabhi Huzoor(saw) k Sathiuon pay kise nay zuban Darazi ki Bohtan Bandha Allah(swt)
nay Unho Alfaz main unka Difa Kia or Hazrat Jibreel-e-ameen(as) K Zareyh Apna Pegham Peghamber(saw) tak Pohanchaya .
Yeh SunnatulAllah k Nabi(saw) unki Ehl-e-Bait(rz) or Tamam Sahaba(rz) wa Sahabiya(rz) ka Difa kia Jay osi Andaz main
jis Andaz main koe Un pay Zuban Darazi karay ya bohtan lagay ya Kise k martabay ko agay karay ya Kise ko peechay
Karay ..
Yeh kitna Bara Bohtaan lagaya hai esnay Mujhsay Bardashat Nahi Hoa main kia karsakta hoon ??
App ko agar lagay k yeh yeh andaz mera theek nahi tu app wohi kareyhga jo apka Forum rulez hain main app k leyhaik bandey kay binayeh hoyeh
Apnay dil main buraee nahi laonga InshahAllah k app nay najez kia meray sath app apni jaga majboor main apni..
Hub-e-Sahab(rz) Rehmatullah
Bughaz-e-Sahaba(rz) Lanatullah
nay Unho Alfaz main unka Difa Kia or Hazrat Jibreel-e-ameen(as) K Zareyh Apna Pegham Peghamber(saw) tak Pohanchaya .
Yeh SunnatulAllah k Nabi(saw) unki Ehl-e-Bait(rz) or Tamam Sahaba(rz) wa Sahabiya(rz) ka Difa kia Jay osi Andaz main
jis Andaz main koe Un pay Zuban Darazi karay ya bohtan lagay ya Kise k martabay ko agay karay ya Kise ko peechay
Karay ..
Yeh kitna Bara Bohtaan lagaya hai esnay Mujhsay Bardashat Nahi Hoa main kia karsakta hoon ??
App ko agar lagay k yeh yeh andaz mera theek nahi tu app wohi kareyhga jo apka Forum rulez hain main app k leyhaik bandey kay binayeh hoyeh
Apnay dil main buraee nahi laonga InshahAllah k app nay najez kia meray sath app apni jaga majboor main apni..
Hub-e-Sahab(rz) Rehmatullah
Bughaz-e-Sahaba(rz) Lanatullah
Forum rulez ........................lol
aik bandyeh kay binayeh hoyeh.......................
oun rulez ki fiker karni chaiyain jin ko bandey ko binayeh walyeh nay binayeh hoyeh ho(INSHALLAH)
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Forum rulez ........................lol
aik bandyeh kay binayeh hoyeh.......................
oun rulez ki fiker karni chaiyain jin ko bandey ko binayeh walyeh nay binayeh hoyeh ho(INSHALLAH)
aik bandyeh kay binayeh hoyeh.......................
oun rulez ki fiker karni chaiyain jin ko bandey ko binayeh walyeh nay binayeh hoyeh ho(INSHALLAH)
Jee Raja Bhai
iss se barh kar tu koi rule nahi ho sakta 
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Ji Khalish bhai Baat yeh hai k Jab bhi Kabhi Huzoor(saw) k Sathiuon pay kise nay zuban Darazi ki Bohtan Bandha Allah(swt)
nay Unho Alfaz main unka Difa Kia or Hazrat Jibreel-e-ameen(as) K Zareyh Apna Pegham Peghamber(saw) tak Pohanchaya .
Yeh SunnatulAllah k Nabi(saw) unki Ehl-e-Bait(rz) or Tamam Sahaba(rz) wa Sahabiya(rz) ka Difa kia Jay osi Andaz main
jis Andaz main koe Un pay Zuban Darazi karay ya bohtan lagay ya Kise k martabay ko agay karay ya Kise ko peechay
Karay ..
Yeh kitna Bara Bohtaan lagaya hai esnay Mujhsay Bardashat Nahi Hoa main kia karsakta hoon ??
App ko agar lagay k yeh yeh andaz mera theek nahi tu app wohi kareyhga jo apka Forum rulez hain main app k leyh
Apnay dil main buraee nahi laonga InshahAllah k app nay najez kia meray sath app apni jaga majboor main apni..
Hub-e-Sahab(rz) Rehmatullah
Bughaz-e-Sahaba(rz) Lanatullah
nay Unho Alfaz main unka Difa Kia or Hazrat Jibreel-e-ameen(as) K Zareyh Apna Pegham Peghamber(saw) tak Pohanchaya .
Yeh SunnatulAllah k Nabi(saw) unki Ehl-e-Bait(rz) or Tamam Sahaba(rz) wa Sahabiya(rz) ka Difa kia Jay osi Andaz main
jis Andaz main koe Un pay Zuban Darazi karay ya bohtan lagay ya Kise k martabay ko agay karay ya Kise ko peechay
Karay ..
Yeh kitna Bara Bohtaan lagaya hai esnay Mujhsay Bardashat Nahi Hoa main kia karsakta hoon ??
App ko agar lagay k yeh yeh andaz mera theek nahi tu app wohi kareyhga jo apka Forum rulez hain main app k leyh
Apnay dil main buraee nahi laonga InshahAllah k app nay najez kia meray sath app apni jaga majboor main apni..
Hub-e-Sahab(rz) Rehmatullah
Bughaz-e-Sahaba(rz) Lanatullah
Aap ka mere msg ko acknowledge karna he kaafi hai. Baat through ho gaee hai, aap khud samajhdaar haiN.
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bahi demagh to maira darust hay .magar chunkay app history of nahin jantay ya jantay hain ,magar sydna hussain rz ke shakhsiyat kay samnay app un ke ghaltee ko tasleem nahin karna chahtay .
History hamaray liya hujjat nahi hay Bari hairat ki baat hay jin k liya Immam Abu Hinefa hujjat nahi hain ajj un k liya History hujjat hoo gai hay
Think about it
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app jo lab o lehja estaimal kiya main to is say bhee ziyada ke tawaqa kar raha tha. magar app nay to phir bhee narmee bartee ,main app ke baat ka mura nahin manaya. is leyai mai admin say bhee kahoon gha kay app kuch na kahain.shukria
Admin apna kam khub jantain hain app ko un ki ya hamari fikar nahi honi chahiya
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bahi sirf yeh bata do agar app history jantay hoo kay phir sydna aqeel ko kofa kis leyai behja tha.aour sydna aqeel wahan ja kar kiya kartay rahay.
aour plz yeh bata dain iqtidar ke talb karnay say kowee admin kis tarah gir sakta hay.kiya iqtiar ke khawahish kowee ghair islami fail hay..
aour plz yeh bata dain iqtidar ke talb karnay say kowee admin kis tarah gir sakta hay.kiya iqtiar ke khawahish kowee ghair islami fail hay..
Zara is par bhi gor farmain k mahz iqtadar ki khatir koai apnay bewi bachoon aur puray qumbay ko shaheed nahi karwata
aur ya jo app iqtadar iqtadar ki raat laga rahay hain to zara ya batain k mahz history ko base bana kar app apna aqeeda majority say alag kis tarhan rakh saktain hain majority say mayri murad woo muktadar shaksiyat hain jo is dunya say rukhsat hoo gain hain yani auliya
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plz yeh bata dain kiya kowee janatee shakhs ghaltee nahin kar sakta.
Kisi jannati shaks ki galati bantanay k liya app nay kahan say digree li zara ya bhi bata dain????????QUOTE
maira aqeedah quran o sahih hadith or amal aiy sahaba hay.jo amal in 3 sources say milay lay loo jo na milay chor doo.
main nay poree zimadaree say yeh baat kee hay .
main nay poree zimadaree say yeh baat kee hay .
abb zara poree zimadaaree say Quran, Hadees aur amal-e-Sahaba rza say ya sabit karoo k woo iqtadar k liya gaay thay kyun k tum pehlay hi apna aqeeda bayan kar chukay hoo aur apnay aqeeday k bar'aks baat History ki kar rahay hoo ajeeb tazad hay
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admin say pooch loo aour mujhay thora time dain main her baat ref kay sath paish kar doon gha. inshallah
Apnay aqeeday k mutabak ref... hona chahiya History nahi
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oper mera aik reply hai eysi batoun par khamoshi behter....................
par jinab kay reply par khamoshi theaq nehi
aap nay janaat kay sardaroun par tohmaat lighai hai oun ko talib hakomaat............... bola hai......
mardood kiay janaat ka sardar talib hakomaat ho sakta hai?
pora waqia teri beybay nay tujyeh sunya tha?
jis ki wu chasahm deed ghiwa thi?
dushmanaan e ahlay bait par lanaat beshumar...............
zazeed shahabi nehei tha jab keh wu (ra) shbahi (ra) thyeh................
itna kafi hai isharoun main jinab kay liyeh
par jinab kay reply par khamoshi theaq nehi
aap nay janaat kay sardaroun par tohmaat lighai hai oun ko talib hakomaat............... bola hai......
mardood kiay janaat ka sardar talib hakomaat ho sakta hai?
pora waqia teri beybay nay tujyeh sunya tha?
jis ki wu chasahm deed ghiwa thi?
dushmanaan e ahlay bait par lanaat beshumar...............
zazeed shahabi nehei tha jab keh wu (ra) shbahi (ra) thyeh................
itna kafi hai isharoun main jinab kay liyeh
yaar raja bahi masallah yeh hay kay app loog abb kisi bhee baat ka jawab nahin day ghay.
app nay mujhay bura bhala to keh diya. magar mairay kisi bhee sawal ka jawab nahin diya.
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yazeed shahabi nehei tha jab keh wu (ra) shbahi (ra) thyeh................
yaar yahan kiya sydna hussain rz aour yazeed ka moqabala ho raha hay jo app ko ghusa aa gaiya.
yeh to aik tareekhee waqiya hay .is say ziyda kuch nahin .phir is main itna ghusa hona ke kiya baat .aik mukhtasir sa sawal,
kiya sahaba kisi fasiq fajir aour bay deen shakhs ke baiyat kar saktay hain,nahin her giz nahin .to phir akhir sahaba nay yazeed ke bait kiuon kee..
name='hussain mavia1' date='Jul 15 2008, 10:43 PM' post='2977239']
History hamaray liya hujjat nahi hay
bahi jab mamal kowee fiqhee ho gha to pehlay hum quran o sunnat o amalay sahaba ko daikhain us kay baad kisi imam ko follow karain ghay.
magar jab baat kisi historical event ke ho ghee to hum history he ko check karain ghay.zara ghaour karain hussain bahi app loog yazeed ko bura bhala bhee history ke buniyad per he kehtay hain.kisi quran o hadith ke roo say nahin. aour waisay bhee imam abu hanifa ka qaoul hay is mamlay main khamoshee behtar hay . to app loog is fatwa per amal kiuon nahin kartay .
bahi woh to is leyai gaiya thay apnay kunbay ko laikar kay sydna aqeel rz nay unko khata likha tha kay yahan loog bait kay leyai tiyar hain.app yahan aa ja ain.abb main ap say pochta hoon bait kis leyai kee jatee hay.
bahi sahib ap plz zara kuch mashhoor maroof logon ka naam bata jin ka aqeedah app say milta julta ho.yani jo yazeed ko fasiq o fajir kehtay hoon.
bahi sahib ghaltee kowee ghaibee amal hota hay jo nazar nahin ata.agar kowee ghaltee karta hay to samnay nazar a jatee hay , kisi say pochnay ke zaroorat mehsos nahin hotee.
yeh history ka mamla hay ammal ka nahin .to ref history say hee diya jaa aiy gha.
History hamaray liya hujjat nahi hay
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Bari hairat ki baat hay jin k liya Immam Abu Hinefa hujjat nahi hain ajj un k liya History hujjat hoo gai hay
bahi jab mamal kowee fiqhee ho gha to pehlay hum quran o sunnat o amalay sahaba ko daikhain us kay baad kisi imam ko follow karain ghay.
magar jab baat kisi historical event ke ho ghee to hum history he ko check karain ghay.zara ghaour karain hussain bahi app loog yazeed ko bura bhala bhee history ke buniyad per he kehtay hain.kisi quran o hadith ke roo say nahin. aour waisay bhee imam abu hanifa ka qaoul hay is mamlay main khamoshee behtar hay . to app loog is fatwa per amal kiuon nahin kartay .
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Zara is par bhi gor farmain k mahz iqtadar ki khatir koai apnay bewi bachoon aur puray qumbay ko shaheed nahi karwata
bahi woh to is leyai gaiya thay apnay kunbay ko laikar kay sydna aqeel rz nay unko khata likha tha kay yahan loog bait kay leyai tiyar hain.app yahan aa ja ain.abb main ap say pochta hoon bait kis leyai kee jatee hay.
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aur ya jo app iqtadar iqtadar ki raat laga rahay hain to zara ya batain k mahz history ko base bana kar app apna aqeeda majority say alag kis tarhan rakh saktain hain majority say mayri murad woo muktadar shaksiyat hain jo is dunya say rukhsat hoo gain hain yani auliya
bahi sahib ap plz zara kuch mashhoor maroof logon ka naam bata jin ka aqeedah app say milta julta ho.yani jo yazeed ko fasiq o fajir kehtay hoon.
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Kisi jannati shaks ki galati bantanay k liya app nay kahan say digree li zara ya bhi bata dain
bahi sahib ghaltee kowee ghaibee amal hota hay jo nazar nahin ata.agar kowee ghaltee karta hay to samnay nazar a jatee hay , kisi say pochnay ke zaroorat mehsos nahin hotee.
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Apnay aqeeday k mutabak ref... hona chahiya History nahi
yeh history ka mamla hay ammal ka nahin .to ref history say hee diya jaa aiy gha.
kuch sawal hain app dostoon say
1.sydna hussain rz nay yazeed ke bait nahin kee,(aour shia kay mutabiq isi leyai yazeed nay unhain qatal karwa diya.)is doran sydna hussain taqreeban 4 mahinay say ziyda makka main rahay ,to phir yazeed nain unhain akhir un ko itni din kuch kiuon nahin kaha.
2.sydna hussain rz nay apnay chacha zaad sydna aqeel rz ko kofa kis leyai behja tha.
3.agar sydna hussain rz batil say moqbila kay leyai niklay thay to batil yani yazeed to damishq main tha kofa main nahin . to phir sydna hussain rz kofa kiya karnay ja rahay thay.
4.sydna hussain rz say aik bhee jumla yazeed kay kirdar kay khilaf dekha dain.
5.syda zainab ,sydna hussain rz ke saghee behn , waqiya karbala ke chasham deed gawah , nay waqiya karbala kay bad apnee baqee zindagee kahan ghuzaree thee.
6.sydna zain ul abeedeen yazeed ko kiya keh kar mukhatib kiya kartay thay.
plz yeh sawal shia hazarat say nahi is leyai woh jawab na dain.shukria.
1.sydna hussain rz nay yazeed ke bait nahin kee,(aour shia kay mutabiq isi leyai yazeed nay unhain qatal karwa diya.)is doran sydna hussain taqreeban 4 mahinay say ziyda makka main rahay ,to phir yazeed nain unhain akhir un ko itni din kuch kiuon nahin kaha.
2.sydna hussain rz nay apnay chacha zaad sydna aqeel rz ko kofa kis leyai behja tha.
3.agar sydna hussain rz batil say moqbila kay leyai niklay thay to batil yani yazeed to damishq main tha kofa main nahin . to phir sydna hussain rz kofa kiya karnay ja rahay thay.
4.sydna hussain rz say aik bhee jumla yazeed kay kirdar kay khilaf dekha dain.
5.syda zainab ,sydna hussain rz ke saghee behn , waqiya karbala ke chasham deed gawah , nay waqiya karbala kay bad apnee baqee zindagee kahan ghuzaree thee.
6.sydna zain ul abeedeen yazeed ko kiya keh kar mukhatib kiya kartay thay.
plz yeh sawal shia hazarat say nahi is leyai woh jawab na dain.shukria.
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:57 PM) [snapback]2977297[/snapback]
yaar raja bahi masallah yeh hay kay app loog abb kisi bhee baat ka jawab nahin day ghay.
app nay mujhay bura bhala to keh diya. magar mairay kisi bhee sawal ka jawab nahin diya.
yaar yahan kiya sydna hussain rz aour yazeed ka moqabala ho raha hay jo app ko ghusa aa gaiya.
yeh to aik tareekhee waqiya hay .is say ziyda kuch nahin .phir is main itna ghusa hona ke kiya baat .aik mukhtasir sa sawal,
kiya sahaba kisi fasiq fajir aour bay deen shakhs ke baiyat kar saktay hain,nahin her giz nahin .to phir akhir sahaba nay yazeed ke bait kiuon kee..
app nay mujhay bura bhala to keh diya. magar mairay kisi bhee sawal ka jawab nahin diya.
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yazeed shahabi nehei tha jab keh wu (ra) shbahi (ra) thyeh................
yaar yahan kiya sydna hussain rz aour yazeed ka moqabala ho raha hay jo app ko ghusa aa gaiya.
yeh to aik tareekhee waqiya hay .is say ziyda kuch nahin .phir is main itna ghusa hona ke kiya baat .aik mukhtasir sa sawal,
kiya sahaba kisi fasiq fajir aour bay deen shakhs ke baiyat kar saktay hain,nahin her giz nahin .to phir akhir sahaba nay yazeed ke bait kiuon kee..
muhtram sory kehnyeh ko dil tu nehi cha raha par keh deta houn............ hc par zimana ghiwa hai main kisi shia kay khilaf eysa lab o lehja nehi istimal kiya......jesa aap kay sath waja buss itni thi wu yeh keh yeh kesa suni hai ju niwasa rasool (saw) ko iqtidar ka bhoka kehta hai) iss waja say para char ghiya
aap nay red text main aik siwal kiay hai........ oss ka jiwab yeh hai .......................
keh aap sahaba (ra) ko kis miyar par rakhtyeh hain?
oun ka har hukam aap manain ghain?
or bait kiuon ki? iss par thora sa ghor farma lain aap ................. jab aap ghor farma lain ghain tu......tab baat ho sakti hai iss masla par.........
mera or aap ka ka nukta nazer algh ho sakta hai................
zahir hai main kisi ka muqalid aap kisi kay muqalid..
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Jee Raja Bhai iss se barh kar tu koi rule nahi ho sakta
iss se barh kar tu koi rule nahi ho sakta la shak
Rab suniyan to hay sahara tery to mangda hay jug sara
meri bakshish par laga way
jado karem kary to ziyada.
bayee logo sub batien choro. mera eik swala hay . is puri kaienta may ALLAh kay siwa koyee aur hay jiss say manga jaye.
jiss say maded li jaye. jiss say dua mangi jaye. ab jo kahe ga kay hay woh to imaan wala na howa. yani us nay naozubillah ALLAH kays ath shirk kiya. ab simple. apny ander jahnkoo choro kitabi batien . fact dekho us kay baad soch ker jawab dena .phir pata chaly ga kaun sacha kon jhoota aur pata hayna jhotty ka moon hamid=sah kala hota hay. so jawab doo.
meri bakshish par laga way
jado karem kary to ziyada.
bayee logo sub batien choro. mera eik swala hay . is puri kaienta may ALLAh kay siwa koyee aur hay jiss say manga jaye.
jiss say maded li jaye. jiss say dua mangi jaye. ab jo kahe ga kay hay woh to imaan wala na howa. yani us nay naozubillah ALLAH kays ath shirk kiya. ab simple. apny ander jahnkoo choro kitabi batien . fact dekho us kay baad soch ker jawab dena .phir pata chaly ga kaun sacha kon jhoota aur pata hayna jhotty ka moon hamid=sah kala hota hay. so jawab doo.
name='*RAJA*' date='Jul 16 2008, 03:52 AM' post='2977449']
main nay to pehlay hee kaha tha kay main her qisam kay hamloon kay leyia tiyar hoon.laikin aik bat bata doon mujhay app say kowee shikwa nahin. jab tak app haqeeqat nahin jannnain ghay yehee ho gha.
raja bahi yaad rakhain yeh aik siyasi masallah hay ,fazeelat ka nahin.agar fazeelat ke baat ke jaa aiy to agar lakhoon yazeed bhee ho to aik hussain rz kay barabar nahin ho saktay .
bahi agar nawasa rasool saw kay mautalik kowee ghlat baat sunnain say app ko ghusa aa gaiya to phir rasool saw kay bhanjay aour saghay banjay yazeed kay mutalik agar kowee ghalt bat kehta hay to app ko ghusa kiuon nahin ata.agar sydna hussain rz nabi akaram saw kay rishtadar hain to yazeed bhee bilkul usee tarha nabi akram saw ka rishtadar hay. dono ka rutba barabar hay phir aik khilaf nafrat kiun akhir.(yaad rakhain yazeed sydna moavia rz ka beta tha aour sydna moavia rz hazoor saw kay sallay thay. yani sydna um habeeba kay saghay bahi. )
main nay sirf aik sawal nahin kiya aour bhee sawal keyai hain. laikin hairat ke baat hay app nay to is ka bhee jawab nahin diya.
bahi main kisi ka moqalid nahin hoon sirf quran sahih hadith or amalay sahaba ka moqalid hoon.
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muhtram sory kehnyeh ko dil tu nehi cha raha par keh deta houn............ hc par zimana ghiwa hai main kisi shia kay khilaf eysa lab o lehja nehi istimal kiya......jesa aap kay sath
main nay to pehlay hee kaha tha kay main her qisam kay hamloon kay leyia tiyar hoon.laikin aik bat bata doon mujhay app say kowee shikwa nahin. jab tak app haqeeqat nahin jannnain ghay yehee ho gha.
raja bahi yaad rakhain yeh aik siyasi masallah hay ,fazeelat ka nahin.agar fazeelat ke baat ke jaa aiy to agar lakhoon yazeed bhee ho to aik hussain rz kay barabar nahin ho saktay .
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waja buss itni thi wu yeh keh yeh kesa suni hai ju niwasa rasool (saw) ko iqtidar ka bhoka kehta hai) iss waja say para char ghiya
bahi agar nawasa rasool saw kay mautalik kowee ghlat baat sunnain say app ko ghusa aa gaiya to phir rasool saw kay bhanjay aour saghay banjay yazeed kay mutalik agar kowee ghalt bat kehta hay to app ko ghusa kiuon nahin ata.agar sydna hussain rz nabi akaram saw kay rishtadar hain to yazeed bhee bilkul usee tarha nabi akram saw ka rishtadar hay. dono ka rutba barabar hay phir aik khilaf nafrat kiun akhir.(yaad rakhain yazeed sydna moavia rz ka beta tha aour sydna moavia rz hazoor saw kay sallay thay. yani sydna um habeeba kay saghay bahi. )
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keh aap sahaba (ra) ko kis miyar par rakhtyeh hain?
oun ka har hukam aap manain ghain?
or bait kiuon ki? iss par thora sa ghor farma lain aap ................. jab aap ghor farma lain ghain tu......tab baat ho sakti hai iss masla par.........
oun ka har hukam aap manain ghain?
or bait kiuon ki? iss par thora sa ghor farma lain aap ................. jab aap ghor farma lain ghain tu......tab baat ho sakti hai iss masla par.........
main nay sirf aik sawal nahin kiya aour bhee sawal keyai hain. laikin hairat ke baat hay app nay to is ka bhee jawab nahin diya.
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mera or aap ka ka nukta nazer algh ho sakta hai................
zahir hai main kisi ka muqalid aap kisi kay muqalid..
zahir hai main kisi ka muqalid aap kisi kay muqalid..
bahi main kisi ka moqalid nahin hoon sirf quran sahih hadith or amalay sahaba ka moqalid hoon.
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name='hussain mavia1' date='Jul 15 2008, 10:43 PM' post='2977239']
History hamaray liya hujjat nahi hay
bahi jab mamal kowee fiqhee ho gha to pehlay hum quran o sunnat o amalay sahaba ko daikhain us kay baad kisi imam ko follow karain ghay.
magar jab baat kisi historical event ke ho ghee to hum history he ko check karain ghay.zara ghaour karain hussain bahi app loog yazeed ko bura bhala bhee history ke buniyad per he kehtay hain.kisi quran o hadith ke roo say nahin. aour waisay bhee imam abu hanifa ka qaoul hay is mamlay main khamoshee behtar hay . to app loog is fatwa per amal kiuon nahin kartay .
bahi woh to is leyai gaiya thay apnay kunbay ko laikar kay sydna aqeel rz nay unko khata likha tha kay yahan loog bait kay leyai tiyar hain.app yahan aa ja ain.abb main ap say pochta hoon bait kis leyai kee jatee hay.
bahi sahib ap plz zara kuch mashhoor maroof logon ka naam bata jin ka aqeedah app say milta julta ho.yani jo yazeed ko fasiq o fajir kehtay hoon.
bahi sahib ghaltee kowee ghaibee amal hota hay jo nazar nahin ata.agar kowee ghaltee karta hay to samnay nazar a jatee hay , kisi say pochnay ke zaroorat mehsos nahin hotee.
yeh history ka mamla hay ammal ka nahin .to ref history say hee diya jaa aiy gha.
History hamaray liya hujjat nahi hay
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Bari hairat ki baat hay jin k liya Immam Abu Hinefa hujjat nahi hain ajj un k liya History hujjat hoo gai hay
bahi jab mamal kowee fiqhee ho gha to pehlay hum quran o sunnat o amalay sahaba ko daikhain us kay baad kisi imam ko follow karain ghay.
magar jab baat kisi historical event ke ho ghee to hum history he ko check karain ghay.zara ghaour karain hussain bahi app loog yazeed ko bura bhala bhee history ke buniyad per he kehtay hain.kisi quran o hadith ke roo say nahin. aour waisay bhee imam abu hanifa ka qaoul hay is mamlay main khamoshee behtar hay . to app loog is fatwa per amal kiuon nahin kartay .
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Zara is par bhi gor farmain k mahz iqtadar ki khatir koai apnay bewi bachoon aur puray qumbay ko shaheed nahi karwata
bahi woh to is leyai gaiya thay apnay kunbay ko laikar kay sydna aqeel rz nay unko khata likha tha kay yahan loog bait kay leyai tiyar hain.app yahan aa ja ain.abb main ap say pochta hoon bait kis leyai kee jatee hay.
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aur ya jo app iqtadar iqtadar ki raat laga rahay hain to zara ya batain k mahz history ko base bana kar app apna aqeeda majority say alag kis tarhan rakh saktain hain majority say mayri murad woo muktadar shaksiyat hain jo is dunya say rukhsat hoo gain hain yani auliya
bahi sahib ap plz zara kuch mashhoor maroof logon ka naam bata jin ka aqeedah app say milta julta ho.yani jo yazeed ko fasiq o fajir kehtay hoon.
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Kisi jannati shaks ki galati bantanay k liya app nay kahan say digree li zara ya bhi bata dain
bahi sahib ghaltee kowee ghaibee amal hota hay jo nazar nahin ata.agar kowee ghaltee karta hay to samnay nazar a jatee hay , kisi say pochnay ke zaroorat mehsos nahin hotee.
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Apnay aqeeday k mutabak ref... hona chahiya History nahi
yeh history ka mamla hay ammal ka nahin .to ref history say hee diya jaa aiy gha.
Janab may to bakool app k apnay Immam sahab k qaoul par hi karband hon mayri sabka tammam posts say app khali yazeed ka naam dikha dain may ya forum hi cho jaoon gaa
tareef ya burai to bhot bad ki baat hay khali Yazeed ka naam dikha dain mayri is say pehlay ki kisi post may. app khud hi matlab aakhaz na kia karoo yahan baat Hazrat Hussain rza ki chal rahi hay Yazeed par to mayri app say baat hay hi nahi aur na may is may hissa layta hon
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Janab may to bakool app k apnay Immam sahab k qaoul par hi karband hon mayri sabka tammam posts say app khali yazeed ka naam dikha dain may ya forum hi cho jaoon gaa
tareef ya burai to bhot bad ki baat hay khali Yazeed ka naam dikha dain mayri is say pehlay ki kisi post may. app khud hi matlab aakhaz na kia karoo yahan baat Hazrat Hussain rza ki chal rahi hay Yazeed par to mayri app say baat hay hi nahi aur na may is may hissa layta hon
tareef ya burai to bhot bad ki baat hay khali Yazeed ka naam dikha dain mayri is say pehlay ki kisi post may. app khud hi matlab aakhaz na kia karoo yahan baat Hazrat Hussain rza ki chal rahi hay Yazeed par to mayri app say baat hay hi nahi aur na may is may hissa layta hon
hussain bahi abb to ap jan chura rahay hain . main janta hoon app deoband maktaba fikar say taluq rakhtay hain. magar bahi quran ka hukam hay jab kowee ap kay pass kowee kahabar lay kar ayai to uper tehqeeq kar loo.
main nay aik baat kahee hay app kam az kam is per tehqeeq to karain.aour main nay kuch sawalat bhee keyai hain un ka jawab bhee darkar hay.
aour yaad rakhain jab bhee sydna hussain rz ke baat ho ghee yazeed ka zikar to zaroor aa yai gha.
aour main nay apna aqeedah bayan kiya tha kay main quran o sahih hadith our amlay sahaba per amal karta hoon.
abb main pehlay to ata hoon quran ke taraf
1 .quran kehta hay kay jab kowee tumharay pass kowee khabar lay kar aayai to us ke tehqeeq kar liya karoo.aour main nay buaht tehqeeq kay baad yeh nateeja nikala kay yazeed per qatlay hussain ka ilzam sara sar ilzam hay .
2.abb ata hoon hadith ke taraf.sahih bukhari ke hadith kay mutabiq qustuntuniya per pehla lashkar jo hamla karay gha.us ke maghfirat ke basharat hay.aour yazeed us lashakar ka ameer tha.to is bisharat kay lehz say yazeed jantee thera na kay lantee.
3.amalay sahaba maira 3 rd makhaz hay.aour jab main nay mukhtalif kutab main say yazeed aour sahaba ka taluk dekhta hoon to kayee sahaba rz yazeed ke tareef kartay nazar atay hain.aour is kay elawa tamam sahaba yazeed ke bait kartay hain. to is lehaz say bhee yazeed per mairee eman sahih sabit hota hay.
bahi app nay pichlee post main maira aqeedah pocha tha.to woh main nay bayan kar diya. aour usee aqeeday kay mutabiq yazeed kay baray main apna nazriya bhee wazeh kar diya.
app say bhee ghuzarish hay kay plz tehqeeq ke koshish karain inshallah sahih rah he pa ain ghay. inshallah.
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aour yaad rakhain jab bhee sydna hussain rz ke baat ho ghee yazeed ka zikar to zaroor aa yai gha.
To PHir Jahan Jahan Nabbi-e-Pakk (SAW) Ka Zikr Ayega . Waha Waha Abu Jahel Or Abu Lahab Ka Bhi Ayega
Jahan Jahan Islam Ka Zikr Ayega , Waha Waha Kuffar Ka Zikr Bhi Ayega...
Kehney ka MaQsad Yee Hai Ke App ki yee Baat Be Wazan Hai ...
Or Abb Jab App Jaan Hi Gaye Hain Ke Hussain BAhi ka TalluQ Deoband Maktab-e-Fikr Se Hai To Sabse PeHLay MEin Appko
Deoband Ka Matlab Bata do
Deoband Means " Woo Jamat Ya Woo GurooH Joo Ummat Ke Sir KasH Or Naa WaQiF DEOOO ko Shariyat Ke Dairay Main
Band Karain woo Kehlatay Hain DEOBAND "
Baray Baray Deo Ko Band Karne Wali Jamat Deoband..
Now : u Think Hussain Bahi BhaG Rahay Hain Appke Sawalo Se , To Yee Appki Ghalat Fehmi Bhi Dour Ho Jayegi insha Allah , Bas Masla Sirf Yee Tha Or Hai Ke Humaray Ulma YazeeD Ke Mamlay Per Bahes Karne Ko Mana Farmatay Hain , Khair ,
Yazeed Ke Baray Main Imam Abn-e-Timiya Rehma Ahlay Ka QooL Bhi Appko PesH Kar diya Jayega
Or Ashab-e-Rasool(Saww) Ke AQwal Bhi PesH Ker Diye Jayengay , Jin Main Hazrat Abu Hureera(ra) Jese JaLiL-uL-Qadar Sahabi-e-Rasool(Saww) ShaMiL hain....
PHir Hum Dekhngay Ke App HaQQ Ko Kis Andaz Se Yaa to Tasleem Karte Hain Yaa Thukratay hain...
SaLam,
Or PHir App Ki TehQeeQ Bhi Loogo Per WaZeH Ho Jayegi
Or Ulma-e-Deoband Ki TehQeeQ Bhi WaZeh Ho Jayegi !!!
Wese Common Sense Ki Baat hai Ke , Shiriyat ke NiFaas Ka Alam Uthane Wala Kabhi iQtadar Ka Bhooka Nahi
Hota.. Allah ki Zameen Per Allah Ka Nizam Nafis Karne Ki Mehnat Kal Agar App Bhi Karenge To Appki Laraie System
Se To Zarur Hogi Lekin App Kaa MaQsad iQtadaar HasiL Karna Nahi Hoga .
Or Yahi MutaLba , Yahi Jaddo Jahed Or Yahi Mehnat Shezada-e-Batool Nawasai-e-Rasool(saww) Hazrat Hussain(Ra) Ki
Thi Ke Jisko Appne Apni Laa HasiL TeHQeeQ Ki Bina Per MazALLah Summa MazALLAh iQtadaar HasiL Karne Se Joor Diya
Inn NaL LiL Laa Hi Waa Inna iLLa hi Raji'youn
Or Ulma-e-Deoband Ki TehQeeQ Bhi WaZeh Ho Jayegi !!!
Wese Common Sense Ki Baat hai Ke , Shiriyat ke NiFaas Ka Alam Uthane Wala Kabhi iQtadar Ka Bhooka Nahi
Hota.. Allah ki Zameen Per Allah Ka Nizam Nafis Karne Ki Mehnat Kal Agar App Bhi Karenge To Appki Laraie System
Se To Zarur Hogi Lekin App Kaa MaQsad iQtadaar HasiL Karna Nahi Hoga .
Or Yahi MutaLba , Yahi Jaddo Jahed Or Yahi Mehnat Shezada-e-Batool Nawasai-e-Rasool(saww) Hazrat Hussain(Ra) Ki
Thi Ke Jisko Appne Apni Laa HasiL TeHQeeQ Ki Bina Per MazALLah Summa MazALLAh iQtadaar HasiL Karne Se Joor Diya
Inn NaL LiL Laa Hi Waa Inna iLLa hi Raji'youn
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Aslamualikum ,
Mujey Salman Say Pochna Hai Ke ?
Karbala Ke Shuhuda , Ku Shaheed Kis Ne Kia
Yazeed (R.A) Ya Shimar Ne ?
Just Tell me That ?
Mujey Salman Say Pochna Hai Ke ?
Karbala Ke Shuhuda , Ku Shaheed Kis Ne Kia
Yazeed (R.A) Ya Shimar Ne ?
Just Tell me That ?
MURDER OF PROMINENT BELIEVERS, LIKE
IMAM HASAN, AMMAR HAJAR BIN ADI
MALIK ASHTAR, AND MUHAMMAD BIN ABI BAKR, ,
BY ORDER OF MU'AWIYA
This holy verse explicitly says that if a man kills a single believer intentionally, he deserves Allah's curse and his abode is in Hell. Wasn't Mu'awiya associated with the murder of believers? Did he not order the killing of Hajar Ibn Adi and his seven companions? Did he not order that Abdu'r-Rahman Bin Hasan Al-Ghanzi be buried alive?
Ibn Asakir and Yaqub Bin Sufyan in their Histories; Baihaqi in his Dala'il; Ibn Abdu'l-Bar in Isti'ab; and Ibn Athir in Kamil have reported that Hajar Bin Adi was one of the eminent companions who, along with seven companions was brutally murdered by Mu'awiya. Their crime was refusing to curse Ali.
Imam Hasan was the elder grandson of the Holy Prophet. Was he not included in Ashab-e-Kisa (people of the mantle)? Was he not one of the two leaders of the youths of Paradise and a believer of exalted rank? According to the reports of Mas'udi, Ibn Abdu'l-Bar, Abu'l-Faraj Ispahani, Tabaqa of Muhammad Bin Sa'd, Tadhkira of Sibt Ibn Jauzi, and other accredited ulema of the Sunnis, Mu'awiya sent poison to Asma' Ju'da and promised her that if she killed Hasan Ibn Ali, he would give her 100,000 dirhams and would marry her to his son Yazid. After the martyrdom of Imam Hasan, he gave her 100,000 dirhams but refused to marry her to Yazid. Would you hesitate to call Mu'awiya accursed? Is it not a fact that in the Battle of Siffin the great companion of the Holy Prophet, Ammar Yasir, was martyred by Mu'awiya's order? All your prominent ulema say with one accord that the Holy Prophet said to Ammar Yasir: "It will not be long before you will be killed by a rebellious and misguided group."
Have you any doubt that thousands of devout believers were killed by Mu'awiya's subordinates? Wasn't the pure and valiant warrior, Malik Ashtar, poisoned by Mu'awiya's order? Can you deny that Mu'awiya's chief officials, Amr Bin As and Mu'awiya Bin Khadij, brutally martyred the Commander of the Faithful's governor, the pious Muhammad Bin Abi Bakr? Not content with that, they put his body into the carcass of a donkey and set it on fire. If I were to give you the details about the believers killed by Mu'awiya and his officials, it would require not one night, but several.
Avoid irrelevent posts,,, thanks
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