kia koi jaanta hai keh islam mein sufism ki kiy aaimhimyat hai ?
sufi islam ki idealogy kya hai ?
woh kis baat per yaqeen rakhttey hain ?
high school mein mera aik teacher hoota tah MSA (muslim student alliance) ko spnsor kerta tha, apnee aap ko sufi muslin kehta tha magar kabhi namaz nahin perhta tha jo jumme ki hootee they !
sufism in islam ki bunyad kahan se parr?i
Full Version: Sufi Islam? Sufi Muslim
mera apko mashwara hey ke aap Islam section ke puraney topics ko achi tarah parh lain,,,, sufism aur deegar topics pe aap ko bohat detail se posts mil jain gi
shukeria
shukeria
QUOTE(MJB @ Jul 6 2008, 02:19 PM) 
mera apko mashwara hey ke aap Islam section ke puraney topics ko achi tarah parh lain,,,, sufism aur deegar topics pe aap ko bohat detail se posts mil jain gi
shukeria
shukeria
main ne search ki they islam sec mein , koi khass knowledge nahin mil sakee, agar aap kuch jaantee hain to zaroor share kijiyee plz?. Ilm baatne se berhtaa hi hai :D
Asalam u A'likum
sufi tasawuf sey nikla hay islah e nafs aam ilfaz may keh lain
ye bhi islam hi ka aik hisa hay zayada tar sufi sil siley seedhey ja kar hazrat Ali RA sey miltey hain
is may islah e nafs ki taraf zayada tawaja di jati hay or jo sufi hotey hain wo buraiyon k chortey hain or naik kaam kartey hain
misal k tor par sufiya ankhon ko gair mehram sey bachaney par bouhat zayada zoor detey hain
lakin ap ka jo teacher tha wo shayad tahirul qadri jesa sufi tha
sufiya naik kamoon par zor detey hain to ye bilkul galat hay k namaz na parhna
ese shaks ka apney ap ko sufi kehna bilkul galat hay or is sey sufiya ko galat matlab dia jata hay
for more detail
ap www.khanqah.org visit karain umeed hay ap ko faida ho ga
sufi tasawuf sey nikla hay islah e nafs aam ilfaz may keh lain
ye bhi islam hi ka aik hisa hay zayada tar sufi sil siley seedhey ja kar hazrat Ali RA sey miltey hain
is may islah e nafs ki taraf zayada tawaja di jati hay or jo sufi hotey hain wo buraiyon k chortey hain or naik kaam kartey hain
misal k tor par sufiya ankhon ko gair mehram sey bachaney par bouhat zayada zoor detey hain
lakin ap ka jo teacher tha wo shayad tahirul qadri jesa sufi tha
sufiya naik kamoon par zor detey hain to ye bilkul galat hay k namaz na parhna
ese shaks ka apney ap ko sufi kehna bilkul galat hay or is sey sufiya ko galat matlab dia jata hay
for more detail
ap www.khanqah.org visit karain umeed hay ap ko faida ho ga
QUOTE(from_da_lost_dimension @ Jul 6 2008, 10:17 AM)
kia koi jaanta hai keh islam mein sufism ki kiy aaimhimyat hai ?
sufi islam ki idealogy kya hai ?
woh kis baat per yaqeen rakhttey hain ?
high school mein mera aik teacher hoota tah MSA (muslim student alliance) ko spnsor kerta tha, apnee aap ko sufi muslin kehta tha magar kabhi namaz nahin perhta tha jo jumme ki hootee they !
sufism in islam ki bunyad kahan se parr?i
sufi islam ki idealogy kya hai ?
woh kis baat per yaqeen rakhttey hain ?
high school mein mera aik teacher hoota tah MSA (muslim student alliance) ko spnsor kerta tha, apnee aap ko sufi muslin kehta tha magar kabhi namaz nahin perhta tha jo jumme ki hootee they !
sufism in islam ki bunyad kahan se parr?i
asa
bahi pehlay to yeh tay ho kay tasawaf hay kiya . sofee kaoun hotay hain.aour phir is kay baad yeh dekh jaa aiy gha. kay kiya tasawaf ka islam taluq hay ya nahin.
jitna maira ilm hay us kay mutabiq to apnay app ko her waqat ibadat main mashgool rakhnay ka naam tasawaf hay , aour jitna main nay parha hay sofiya hazrat ebadatain to kartay hain magar in ebadatoon ka islam main kowee zikar nahin. jaisay 14 saal tak ulta kooain main latkna,13 saal tak aik tang per pani main kharay rehna,soraj ko zameen per bula kar ghoost pakana waghaira , is qisam ke batain tasawaf he kay baab main milti hain. aour kisi jagha nahin.
one can not explain tasawwuf...only that person can do this who has experienced it....its is not world of words..it is about feelings...which can never be explained..........u can only disscuse ...it gives u motivation
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jul 7 2008, 04:34 AM)
asa
bahi pehlay to yeh tay ho kay tasawaf hay kiya . sofee kaoun hotay hain.aour phir is kay baad yeh dekh jaa aiy gha. kay kiya tasawaf ka islam taluq hay ya nahin.
jitna maira ilm hay us kay mutabiq to apnay app ko her waqat ibadat main mashgool rakhnay ka naam tasawaf hay , aour jitna main nay parha hay sofiya hazrat ebadatain to kartay hain magar in ebadatoon ka islam main kowee zikar nahin. jaisay 14 saal tak ulta kooain main latkna,13 saal tak aik tang per pani main kharay rehna,soraj ko zameen per bula kar ghoost pakana waghaira , is qisam ke batain tasawaf he kay baab main milti hain. aour kisi jagha nahin.
bahi pehlay to yeh tay ho kay tasawaf hay kiya . sofee kaoun hotay hain.aour phir is kay baad yeh dekh jaa aiy gha. kay kiya tasawaf ka islam taluq hay ya nahin.
jitna maira ilm hay us kay mutabiq to apnay app ko her waqat ibadat main mashgool rakhnay ka naam tasawaf hay , aour jitna main nay parha hay sofiya hazrat ebadatain to kartay hain magar in ebadatoon ka islam main kowee zikar nahin. jaisay 14 saal tak ulta kooain main latkna,13 saal tak aik tang per pani main kharay rehna,soraj ko zameen per bula kar ghoost pakana waghaira , is qisam ke batain tasawaf he kay baab main milti hain. aour kisi jagha nahin.
janab jin ibadaat ka ap bata rahey hain un ibadaat ka sufiyat sey koi taluq nahi hay please apni tasawuf pa kam ilmi ki waja sey sufiya ki taraf galat batain mansoob na karain
QUOTE(sunny_prince2020 @ Jul 11 2008, 02:38 AM)
janab jin ibadaat ka ap bata rahey hain un ibadaat ka sufiyat sey koi taluq nahi hay please apni tasawuf pa kam ilmi ki waja sey sufiya ki taraf galat batain mansoob na karain
BAHI SAHIB APP KAM AZ KAM TASAWAF TEE KOWEE TAREEF TO KARAIN,KIYA JIN LOGON KE HARKATOON KA MAINAY ZIKAR KIYA HAY WOH SUFIYA KE NAHIN.
KIYA LAL SHABAZ QALANDAR SOFEE NAHIN. KIYA SHAMS TABRAIN SOFEE NAHIN. KIYA MADHOO LAL SOFEE NAHIN.KIA BAREE MAM SAHIB SOFEE NAHIN, KIYA GHANJ SHAKAR KO APP SOFEE TASLEEEM NAHIN KARTAY ,
SUNNI BAHI AP NAY SHAHAD ABHEE TAK SOFIYA KAY MUTALIK YA PARHA NAHIN YA AP TASAWAF KAY KARNAMAY CHUPANA CHAHTAY HAIN.
RAHEE JAHAN TAK KAY SOFIYA NAIK KAMOON KA HUKAM DAITAY HAIN AOUR BURA EEYOON SAY ROKTAY HAIN TO MAIRAY BAHI YEH TO ISLAM HAY TASAWAF NAHIN . KOWEE AIK SOFEE BATA DAIN JIS KE TALEEM MAIN AMAR BIL MAROOF HO AOUR NAHI AN AL MUNKIR HOO.
QUOTE(asim10 @ Jul 13 2008, 02:40 PM)
BAHI SAHIB APP KAM AZ KAM TASAWAF TEE KOWEE TAREEF TO KARAIN,KIYA JIN LOGON KE HARKATOON KA MAINAY ZIKAR KIYA HAY WOH SUFIYA KE NAHIN.
KIYA LAL SHABAZ QALANDAR SOFEE NAHIN. KIYA SHAMS TABRAIN SOFEE NAHIN. KIYA MADHOO LAL SOFEE NAHIN.KIA BAREE MAM SAHIB SOFEE NAHIN, KIYA GHANJ SHAKAR KO APP SOFEE TASLEEEM NAHIN KARTAY ,
SUNNI BAHI AP NAY SHAHAD ABHEE TAK SOFIYA KAY MUTALIK YA PARHA NAHIN YA AP TASAWAF KAY KARNAMAY CHUPANA CHAHTAY HAIN.
RAHEE JAHAN TAK KAY SOFIYA NAIK KAMOON KA HUKAM DAITAY HAIN AOUR BURA EEYOON SAY ROKTAY HAIN TO MAIRAY BAHI YEH TO ISLAM HAY TASAWAF NAHIN . KOWEE AIK SOFEE BATA DAIN JIS KE TALEEM MAIN AMAR BIL MAROOF HO AOUR NAHI AN AL MUNKIR HOO.
KIYA LAL SHABAZ QALANDAR SOFEE NAHIN. KIYA SHAMS TABRAIN SOFEE NAHIN. KIYA MADHOO LAL SOFEE NAHIN.KIA BAREE MAM SAHIB SOFEE NAHIN, KIYA GHANJ SHAKAR KO APP SOFEE TASLEEEM NAHIN KARTAY ,
SUNNI BAHI AP NAY SHAHAD ABHEE TAK SOFIYA KAY MUTALIK YA PARHA NAHIN YA AP TASAWAF KAY KARNAMAY CHUPANA CHAHTAY HAIN.
RAHEE JAHAN TAK KAY SOFIYA NAIK KAMOON KA HUKAM DAITAY HAIN AOUR BURA EEYOON SAY ROKTAY HAIN TO MAIRAY BAHI YEH TO ISLAM HAY TASAWAF NAHIN . KOWEE AIK SOFEE BATA DAIN JIS KE TALEEM MAIN AMAR BIL MAROOF HO AOUR NAHI AN AL MUNKIR HOO.
mere bhai
ap ajeeb insan hain
jo batain brelvi un ki taraf mansoob kartey hain ap un ko bech may na lain
brelviyon may bouhat kam sufi hotey hain ap ko baat khatam karney ki bajaye bigarney ka shoq hay
ap esa karain yahan par kitaab karamat e ahlehadith post kar dain or bataiye ga us sey kia esa ho sakta hay ya nahi
www.khanqah.org pehley bhi ye site di thi lakin ap pata nahi kiun ignore kar saktey hain
is may ap ko amar bil maroof or nahi anil munkir hi miley ga
QUOTE(sunny_prince2020 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:01 AM)
mere bhai
ap ajeeb insan hain
jo batain brelvi un ki taraf mansoob kartey hain ap un ko bech may na lain
brelviyon may bouhat kam sufi hotey hain ap ko baat khatam karney ki bajaye bigarney ka shoq hay
ap esa karain yahan par kitaab karamat e ahlehadith post kar dain or bataiye ga us sey kia esa ho sakta hay ya nahi
www.khanqah.org pehley bhi ye site di thi lakin ap pata nahi kiun ignore kar saktey hain
is may ap ko amar bil maroof or nahi anil munkir hi miley ga
ap ajeeb insan hain
jo batain brelvi un ki taraf mansoob kartey hain ap un ko bech may na lain
brelviyon may bouhat kam sufi hotey hain ap ko baat khatam karney ki bajaye bigarney ka shoq hay
ap esa karain yahan par kitaab karamat e ahlehadith post kar dain or bataiye ga us sey kia esa ho sakta hay ya nahi
www.khanqah.org pehley bhi ye site di thi lakin ap pata nahi kiun ignore kar saktey hain
is may ap ko amar bil maroof or nahi anil munkir hi miley ga
bahi lar main to nahin raha main to taswaf ke tareef pooch raha hoon .akhir tasawaf hay kiya . is ke taleemat kiya hay.is ke asal kiya hay.kuch akabareen tasawf ke tareef bhee kar dain.
mujhay jitna pata tha utni bat main nay kar dee app wazahat kar dain.
hmmm....
jo baat asim10 ne ki hai woh mujhe shamajh aaate hia ..aagee paata nahin !
abhi tak meri jitni shamajh ahi aur jo mera sufi loogoon se interaction raha hai uss se to yehi shamajh aaya hai keh yeh loog conventional ibbadat jaisee keh namaz roozaa wagira per itnaa zoor nahin deetee jitnaa keh roohani ibaddat aur roooh ko allah se ya ambiyaa se direct connect kern eper deete hian !
jo baat asim10 ne ki hai woh mujhe shamajh aaate hia ..aagee paata nahin !
abhi tak meri jitni shamajh ahi aur jo mera sufi loogoon se interaction raha hai uss se to yehi shamajh aaya hai keh yeh loog conventional ibbadat jaisee keh namaz roozaa wagira per itnaa zoor nahin deetee jitnaa keh roohani ibaddat aur roooh ko allah se ya ambiyaa se direct connect kern eper deete hian !
QUOTE(from_da_lost_dimension @ Jul 16 2008, 05:30 AM)
hmmm....
jo baat asim10 ne ki hai woh mujhe shamajh aaate hia ..aagee paata nahin !
abhi tak meri jitni shamajh ahi aur jo mera sufi loogoon se interaction raha hai uss se to yehi shamajh aaya hai keh yeh loog conventional ibbadat jaisee keh namaz roozaa wagira per itnaa zoor nahin deetee jitnaa keh roohani ibaddat aur roooh ko allah se ya ambiyaa se direct connect kern eper deete hian !
jo baat asim10 ne ki hai woh mujhe shamajh aaate hia ..aagee paata nahin !
abhi tak meri jitni shamajh ahi aur jo mera sufi loogoon se interaction raha hai uss se to yehi shamajh aaya hai keh yeh loog conventional ibbadat jaisee keh namaz roozaa wagira per itnaa zoor nahin deetee jitnaa keh roohani ibaddat aur roooh ko allah se ya ambiyaa se direct connect kern eper deete hian !
asa
bilkul app sahih samjhay yeh loog rohani ebadat kay naam per aik naiya tareeqa ejad kar chukay hain aour us ka naam TAREEKAT hay .is tareeqay main app nay apnay rad ko razi karna hay magar apnay tareeqoon say . islam kay bataya howay tareeqoon say nahin . jaisay kay main pehlay hee wazahat kar chuka hoon ,kowee 14 saal kachay dhaaghay say ulta latak kar ebadat karta hay to kowee aik tang per 12saal pani main kharay ho kar ebadat karta hay.aour pata nahin kiya kiya batain hain is sofizm kay andar. allah hum sub ko seedhee rah dekha aiy.
from da lost bhai ap ka pata nahi kis kisam k sufiyon k sath taluq raha hay k jo namaz wagera parhtey nahi or rohani ibadtain to namaz wagera k bagair ho nahi saktin
mere khayal sey ap loog useless discussion karna chahtey hain kisi aik nay bhi wo link nahi dekha jo may nay dia tha agar ap nay wo dekha hota to ap ko pata chalta
mere bhai asim ap imam ghazali or Junaid Baghdadi rehamtullah k barey may kia kahain gey even k khud Gair Muqalid Hazrat mantey hain k tasswuf aik acha silsila hay lakin aj kal k sufi theek nahi
or asim bhai mujey to ap thorey sey khiskey howe lagtey hain
bura na maniye ga lakin esa hi lagta hay
may ap ko pehley bhi bata chuke hon k ye aik tang par kharey honey wali batain ham nahi mantey lakin ap phir bhi kahey ja rahey hain nahi esa hi hay esa hi hay
ye to bilkul wese ho gaya k aik baap beta kahain k ham baap beta hain ap bech may ja kar kahain k nahi tum dono bhai bhai ho baap beta nahi ho
yaar itna to goorr kar lo
mere khayal sey ap loog useless discussion karna chahtey hain kisi aik nay bhi wo link nahi dekha jo may nay dia tha agar ap nay wo dekha hota to ap ko pata chalta
mere bhai asim ap imam ghazali or Junaid Baghdadi rehamtullah k barey may kia kahain gey even k khud Gair Muqalid Hazrat mantey hain k tasswuf aik acha silsila hay lakin aj kal k sufi theek nahi
or asim bhai mujey to ap thorey sey khiskey howe lagtey hain
bura na maniye ga lakin esa hi lagta hay
may ap ko pehley bhi bata chuke hon k ye aik tang par kharey honey wali batain ham nahi mantey lakin ap phir bhi kahey ja rahey hain nahi esa hi hay esa hi hay
ye to bilkul wese ho gaya k aik baap beta kahain k ham baap beta hain ap bech may ja kar kahain k nahi tum dono bhai bhai ho baap beta nahi ho
yaar itna to goorr kar lo
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