Extract from the book of a populer historian.Suun to sahi jahaN mein hey tera fasana kya?
Biographers and publishers of M.A. Jinnah’s life must thank L.K. Advani for reviving sales of books long gone out of circulation. To him also goes the credit of encouraging new authors to write on the subject — among them is Jinnah — Secular & Nationalist by Ajeet Jawed, a first venture by a new publishing house, Faiz Books. From her name, it appears the author is a Sikh married to a Muslim. She teaches political science in Satyawati College, Delhi, and in 1988, wrote Left Politics in Punjab (1935-1947).
There is little about Jinnah that remains unknown. Ajeet Jawed has nothing new to add as her version is entirely based on secondary sources. Nevertheless, it is a valuable addition to Jinnah’s bibliography since it clearly brings out the three phases of his political career: the nationalist, regarded as the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity, leader of the Muslim League, who sowed the seeds of Partition, and the man who lived to regret what he had created.
Comparisons between Nehru and Jinnah are pertinent. Both were nationalists and indifferent to their religions. Nehru, born a Hindu, was an agnostic and never visited temples. Jinnah was
a Shia Muslim who never went to a mosque, did not know how to perform the namaaz and never fasted during Ramazan. Both ignored religious taboos against certain kinds of food and drink. Nehru ate all kinds of meat with a glass of wine and a cigarette to follow. Jinnah liked a glass of sherry with a ham sandwich, followed by a Havana cigar. After he lost his wife, Nehru had several lady friends. Jinnah married a Parsi and made an indifferent husband. Many maulanas condemned him as a kafir. Both men were trained to be lawyers. Nehru did not bother to set up legal practice and became a full-time politician. Law was Jinnah’s first love, politics came second. He loved to win cases. He won the argument in favour of the creation of Pakistan.
Nehru and Jinnah had one thing in common — they hated each other. Nehru did his best to steal Muslim masses from Jinnah’s Muslim League in favour of the Congress. He failed miserably and agreed to let Jinnah get his Pakistan to be rid of him. Jinnah was landed with the baby he had sired but really did not want. He wanted to live in his mansion in Bombay. Both men thought once Muslims got the State they wanted, both India and Pakistan would be freed of communal tension and live at peace with each other. Both men were woefully wrong in reading the future. Millions were rendered homeless, over a million died for the blunder they’d made
Full Version: Jinnah
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Jinnah, What the world says
Hmmm...ye to aik shakhs ke bayanaat hain, warna har shakhsiyyat ke mutallik jahan positive mode mein books milti hain wahan negative mode mein bhi milti hain lehaza isko ye nahin kehna chaahiye ke what world says about him.
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Jinnah — Secular & Nationalist
Kitab ka naam hi author ki zehniyyat ko depict ker raha hai...
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Comparisons between Nehru and Jinnah are pertinent. Both were nationalists and indifferent to their religions.
In what way the author can call him nationalist, saari jang hi nationalism aur islam ki thi........Agar Jinnah nationalist hota to kabhi india ko taqseem na kerta.
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did not know how to perform the namaaz and never fasted during Ramazan.
What r the author's sources?? ye sirf aik koshish hai muslims ke liye Jinnah ke khilaaf kuch jazbaat paida kerna,well it seems a big lie when we read the speeches of Jinnah.
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Jinnah married a Parsi
Another lie, his wife was parsi but before marriage with Jinnah she embraced Islam.Aur jab wo musalmaan ho gayi to pichlay religion ka hawala de ker usko parsi kehna kisi aqalmand ka kaam nahin.........kya koi keh sakta hai ke Hazrat Abu Bakr(RA) ke baad logon ne nauzbillah aik mushrik ko khalifa bana diya kyunke Hazrat Umer(RA) islam laanay se pehlay mushrik thay..........najane hum logon ki aisi buri aadatein kab jaain gi.....yahi kuch humne imran khan ke saath kya ke baar baar shor daali rakha ke usne aik yahoodi aurat se shadi ki hai......
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Millions were rendered homeless, over a million died for the blunder they’d made
BHala aik hindu zehan ya aik "mazhabi" zehan, "Deen" ke takazon ko kya samjhay...
I do not agree with u Daylight.Jinnah was neither muslim nor had any will to establish a separate country.It was English plan to keep sub-continent in-tact.Thus they did that by forming Common wealth.They used Jinnah as tool.
Who told you that jinnah knew Namaz????On the first Eid after partition,he kept asking his ADC,during Eid prayer"What next? What next?".
Not only his wife was Parsi,but his daughter married a Parsi too !!
WE all know that Jinnah,Liuaqat and Iqbal all were fond of wine,but we do do not accept it.In the words of Faiz v don't have:-
Shoqe Thqeeq or Jurat-e Inkar
[font=Arial]Dunya ka sub sey bara jhoot yeh hey k Pakistan Islam k liye bana tha.Bahar hal jo hona tha ho chuka.In my opinion Jinnah may be all,but not a muslim politician.
Who told you that jinnah knew Namaz????On the first Eid after partition,he kept asking his ADC,during Eid prayer"What next? What next?".
Not only his wife was Parsi,but his daughter married a Parsi too !!
WE all know that Jinnah,Liuaqat and Iqbal all were fond of wine,but we do do not accept it.In the words of Faiz v don't have:-
Shoqe Thqeeq or Jurat-e Inkar
[font=Arial]Dunya ka sub sey bara jhoot yeh hey k Pakistan Islam k liye bana tha.Bahar hal jo hona tha ho chuka.In my opinion Jinnah may be all,but not a muslim politician.
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Jinnah was neither muslim nor had any will to establish a separate country.
Well how can u say he wasnt a muslim?? shaaid musalmaan nahin thay issi liye apni har taqreer mein wo Quran ki baat kertay thay........Jahan tak baat hai ke wo british tool thay to ye bata hoti to pakistan ke saath na-insafiyaan na ki jaati british rulers ki jaanib se........
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Who told you that jinnah knew Namaz????On the first Eid after partition,he kept asking his ADC,during Eid prayer"What next? What next?".
What is ur source that he said whats next??? Sirf aik suni sunai baat!!!! Jinnah ke mukhalfeen ki taarf se urayi gayi propaganda baat.
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Not only his wife was Parsi,but his daughter married a Parsi too !!
Again i will say she was parsi but embraced islam before marriage...........iskay bawajood kisi musalmaan ko islam qabool kerne ke baad bhi ghair muslim kehna achhi baat nahin .
Jahan tak unki beti ki baat hai to wo to Hazrat Noah(AS) ka beta bhi kaafir tha to kya iss mein hazrat Noah(AS) kasoor waar thehraye jaa saktay hain?? unki beti ne kisi parsi se shadi ki iska matlab ye nikalna ke jinnah aur unki wife dono ghair muslim thay kahan ka insaaf hai??
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WE all know that Jinnah,Liuaqat and Iqbal all were fond of wine
Liaquat Ali Khan ke baaray mein to mein kuch nahin keh sakta, jinnah aur iqbal par ye ilzaam lagana kaafi jurrat ki baat hai khaas taur par jab suni sunai baat ko iss tarha phailaya jaaye.......bilfarz wo aisa kertay bhi thay to kya aisa kernay se wo kaafir ban jaatay hain??? Aapko shaaid yaad nahin ke hazrat Umar(RA) ke zamanay mein unhon ne abu muhjan naam ke sahabi ko ghar mein qaid ker rakha tha sharab noshi ke ilzaam mein , aisay mein jang shuru hui to unhon ne qaid se niakl ker bahaduri ke aisay johar dikhaye ke unkay uss jurm ko maaf ker diya gaya..........laikin hum hain ke Jinnah ke itnay baray ehsaan ke baad bhi ehsan faramosh ban ker kehna shuru ker detay hain ke ji jinnah ke ghar mein to jaye namaz nahin thi,unki namaz nahin aati thi,cigar peetay thay sharab peetay thay etc etc..........
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Dunya ka sub sey bara jhoot yeh hey k Pakistan Islam k liye bana tha
Meine suna hai ke koi bhi kisi ka dil cheer ker uski niyyat nahin jaan sakta......kya aap bata saktay hain ke jinnah ke baar baar islam aur Quran ka naam lena kis tarha unkay dil ki awaz nahin balkeh aik saazish thi.....any proof ke unki sab taqreerein jhoot par mabni thi.
I agree to Daylight.Dunya ki har qoum apnay founding fathers ko ghair mutnazah heros qaraar daiti hai aur unki respect karti hai.Ham ajeeb qoum hain ke ghairoon ki baatoon main aa kar apnay quaid ko mutnazah banatay rahtay hain.
Maghrabi dunya aur hindu to chahtay hi yehi hain ke Jinnah ko unki effort ki saza di jaye.Isi liyay woh quaid ki zindagi ke unhi pahluon ko ujagar karnay ki koshish kartay rahtay hain jin se ta'asur yeh banay ke woh muslim nahin thay.
Ham kiyun nahin samajhtay ke aik fard jo muslim qoumiat ko wazah kar raha hai,jo pakistan ko islam ka qila kah raha hai,jo apni taqareer main quraan ka hawala de raha hai;woh islam ko achi tarah jaanta hai.
ham ne yeh kiyun tasawur kar liya hai ke sirf jubba-o-dastaar se hi islam ka ta'aluq hai.Kitni ajeeb baat hai ke jo log "Pakistan" ko "paleedistan" kahtay rahay aur baad main intihaai dhitai se yahan rahtay bhi rahay ,unhain koi ghalat nahin kahta laikin jis ne muslims ki ba'izat zindagi ke liyay apni jan ki bhi parwa nahin ki un par ilzamaat lagay ja rahay hain.
Pakistan ka wajood nahin balke founder of pakistan par ilzamaat maghrabi sazish hai.
Maghrabi dunya aur hindu to chahtay hi yehi hain ke Jinnah ko unki effort ki saza di jaye.Isi liyay woh quaid ki zindagi ke unhi pahluon ko ujagar karnay ki koshish kartay rahtay hain jin se ta'asur yeh banay ke woh muslim nahin thay.
Ham kiyun nahin samajhtay ke aik fard jo muslim qoumiat ko wazah kar raha hai,jo pakistan ko islam ka qila kah raha hai,jo apni taqareer main quraan ka hawala de raha hai;woh islam ko achi tarah jaanta hai.
ham ne yeh kiyun tasawur kar liya hai ke sirf jubba-o-dastaar se hi islam ka ta'aluq hai.Kitni ajeeb baat hai ke jo log "Pakistan" ko "paleedistan" kahtay rahay aur baad main intihaai dhitai se yahan rahtay bhi rahay ,unhain koi ghalat nahin kahta laikin jis ne muslims ki ba'izat zindagi ke liyay apni jan ki bhi parwa nahin ki un par ilzamaat lagay ja rahay hain.
Pakistan ka wajood nahin balke founder of pakistan par ilzamaat maghrabi sazish hai.
Sari bateN hi suni sunai hein mere dost.Tareekh kya hey ek taweel rivayat !Hum upney mushaheer ko bara maniN MAGAR UN Ko deuta na banaiN.Un ki bashari kamzoryoN or siyasi ghalatuN ka zikar or iqrar na kern bhi ghalati hey.[/font
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Thanx Zapk7 for ur nice reply.
My dear friend,Koi unko devta nahin maanta, wakayi bashri kamzoriyaan aur siyaasi ghaltiyaan honay ka imkaan unse wakayi hai aur ki bhi hon gi.Ab jahan tak bashri kamzoriyun ka talluk hai to wo to har aik mein hoti hain,usko baghair kisi zaroorat ke mashoor kerna aur kisi ko bad-naam kerna kya sahi hai??? Maslan ye keh dena ke iqbal ke huqqay mein afyoon hoti thi, wo sharabi thay, jinnah ke ghar jai namaz nahin thi,england mein reh ker wo najane kin kin clubs mein jaa ker kya kya kertay rahay,uski biwi aisi thi aur beti aisi hai aur damaad aisa..........Sawaal ye hai ke kya inn sab baaton se koi faida hai???Kya inka maqsad sirf unki tazleel kerna nahin.......Ya to koi solid reason ho maslan kisi ne unko mehdi ya nabi maan liya ho to aap keh saktay hain ke uss mein falan falan burayi thi......laikin jab iss baat ka koi faida hi nahin aur na hi unka amal kisi ke liye sanad hai to inn sab baaton se bhala kya faida???
Aur jahan tak siyaasi ghaltiyun ki baat hai to haan aap keh saktay hain ke falan falan jaga par jinnah se ghaltiyaan hui,taqseem ke wakt ye ye ghaltiyaan hui, ya east aur west paksitan ke darmiyaan ka aik raasta pakistan ke hissay mein aana chahaiye tha etc etc to tab to baat theek hai........laikin baghair kisi wajah ke keh dena ke wo angraiz ka aala-e-kaar tha, wo musalmaan nahin tha aur na hi usko islam se koi talluk tha bilkul la-yani si baat hai........
Aur aakhri baat devta samajhne waali to jahan tak Allama Iqbal ki baat hai to kisi ne unko as a source of islam nahin samjha, kisi ne unkay amal ko taqleed ka zarriya nahin banaya balkeh unkay kuch khayalaat par shadeed tanqeed bhi hui, maslan unhon ne tasawwuf ke baaray mein jo kaha uss par tanqeed hui iskay ilawa unki shairi ke kuch muqamaat par bhi tanqeed hoti rehti hai.......Jahan tak Jinnah ka talluk hai to wahan bhi yahi soorat e haal hai.......Kisi ne unki kisi baat ko khudai sanad nahin de rakhi........na hi kabhi kisi islami maamlay mein unki kisi baat ka reference diya hai........Haan ye baat such hai ke unki jitni taqareer hum tak pouhanchi hain un mein se meine jitni bhi parhi hain mujhe un mein koi aisi baat nazar nahin aayi jo khilaaf e Quran ho........balkeh har har taqreer mein wo Quran ki baala-dasti ki baat kertay rahay.......
Iqbal aur Jinnah ka jo muqaam logon ke dilon mein hai wo sirf sur sirf Respect aur ehsaan mandi ka hai.......unhon ne hamein hinduon aur unki maashrat se alag ker ke hum par ehsan kya aur issi liye unki respect ki jaati hai.........Mein apnay waalid ki respect kerta hon,iss par koi mujhe kahay ke tumhara baap to jhoota hai,dagha baazi bhi kerta hai, usne kabhi namaz nahin parhi to kya mein apnay baap ki respect kerna chhor doon ke uss mein kuch bashri kamzoriyaan bhi hai thi aur kya sar e bazaar apnay waalid ke kartooton ka dhandora peet-ta phiron ke wo bay namazi hai,sharabi hai etc etc.........
Kuch loag jab koi bara kaam kertay hain to unkay zaati afaal ko nahin unkay uss baray kaam ko dekha jaata hai.........maslan ab koi newton aur einstien ko iss liye gaaliyaan deta phiray ke un mein falan falan zaati buraiyaan thi to kya ye sahi ho ga??? hamein jis cheez se dilchaspi hai wo unka wo kaam hai jis se hamein faida pouhancha baki un mein agar koi zaati buraiyaan thi to ye unka aur Allah ka maamla hai unse mujhe kya.........
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Sari bateN hi suni sunai hein mere dost.Tareekh kya hey ek taweel rivayat !Hum upney mushaheer ko bara maniN MAGAR UN Ko deuta na banaiN.Un ki bashari kamzoryoN or siyasi ghalatuN ka zikar or iqrar na kern bhi ghalati hey
My dear friend,Koi unko devta nahin maanta, wakayi bashri kamzoriyaan aur siyaasi ghaltiyaan honay ka imkaan unse wakayi hai aur ki bhi hon gi.Ab jahan tak bashri kamzoriyun ka talluk hai to wo to har aik mein hoti hain,usko baghair kisi zaroorat ke mashoor kerna aur kisi ko bad-naam kerna kya sahi hai??? Maslan ye keh dena ke iqbal ke huqqay mein afyoon hoti thi, wo sharabi thay, jinnah ke ghar jai namaz nahin thi,england mein reh ker wo najane kin kin clubs mein jaa ker kya kya kertay rahay,uski biwi aisi thi aur beti aisi hai aur damaad aisa..........Sawaal ye hai ke kya inn sab baaton se koi faida hai???Kya inka maqsad sirf unki tazleel kerna nahin.......Ya to koi solid reason ho maslan kisi ne unko mehdi ya nabi maan liya ho to aap keh saktay hain ke uss mein falan falan burayi thi......laikin jab iss baat ka koi faida hi nahin aur na hi unka amal kisi ke liye sanad hai to inn sab baaton se bhala kya faida???
Aur jahan tak siyaasi ghaltiyun ki baat hai to haan aap keh saktay hain ke falan falan jaga par jinnah se ghaltiyaan hui,taqseem ke wakt ye ye ghaltiyaan hui, ya east aur west paksitan ke darmiyaan ka aik raasta pakistan ke hissay mein aana chahaiye tha etc etc to tab to baat theek hai........laikin baghair kisi wajah ke keh dena ke wo angraiz ka aala-e-kaar tha, wo musalmaan nahin tha aur na hi usko islam se koi talluk tha bilkul la-yani si baat hai........
Aur aakhri baat devta samajhne waali to jahan tak Allama Iqbal ki baat hai to kisi ne unko as a source of islam nahin samjha, kisi ne unkay amal ko taqleed ka zarriya nahin banaya balkeh unkay kuch khayalaat par shadeed tanqeed bhi hui, maslan unhon ne tasawwuf ke baaray mein jo kaha uss par tanqeed hui iskay ilawa unki shairi ke kuch muqamaat par bhi tanqeed hoti rehti hai.......Jahan tak Jinnah ka talluk hai to wahan bhi yahi soorat e haal hai.......Kisi ne unki kisi baat ko khudai sanad nahin de rakhi........na hi kabhi kisi islami maamlay mein unki kisi baat ka reference diya hai........Haan ye baat such hai ke unki jitni taqareer hum tak pouhanchi hain un mein se meine jitni bhi parhi hain mujhe un mein koi aisi baat nazar nahin aayi jo khilaaf e Quran ho........balkeh har har taqreer mein wo Quran ki baala-dasti ki baat kertay rahay.......
Iqbal aur Jinnah ka jo muqaam logon ke dilon mein hai wo sirf sur sirf Respect aur ehsaan mandi ka hai.......unhon ne hamein hinduon aur unki maashrat se alag ker ke hum par ehsan kya aur issi liye unki respect ki jaati hai.........Mein apnay waalid ki respect kerta hon,iss par koi mujhe kahay ke tumhara baap to jhoota hai,dagha baazi bhi kerta hai, usne kabhi namaz nahin parhi to kya mein apnay baap ki respect kerna chhor doon ke uss mein kuch bashri kamzoriyaan bhi hai thi aur kya sar e bazaar apnay waalid ke kartooton ka dhandora peet-ta phiron ke wo bay namazi hai,sharabi hai etc etc.........
Kuch loag jab koi bara kaam kertay hain to unkay zaati afaal ko nahin unkay uss baray kaam ko dekha jaata hai.........maslan ab koi newton aur einstien ko iss liye gaaliyaan deta phiray ke un mein falan falan zaati buraiyaan thi to kya ye sahi ho ga??? hamein jis cheez se dilchaspi hai wo unka wo kaam hai jis se hamein faida pouhancha baki un mein agar koi zaati buraiyaan thi to ye unka aur Allah ka maamla hai unse mujhe kya.........
Mein aap ki iss bat sey ittifaq kerta hun Daylight k kissi ki shakhsi burayon ka tazkara kerney ka koi faiyda nahin,magar uss waqt khoon khol uthta hey jub dharalley sey jhoot bola jaye or yeh samajh kar k sub bey-waqoof hein,undhey hein bus hum jo keh rahey hein woh such hay.Misal k tor per jub ek maroof private TV channel per yeh kaha jaye k Mohammed Ali jJinnah,"Tahajjud" guzar they to batao dil ka kya hal hoga?Hum yeh to kehtey hein k Aurangzeb muttaqi,perhezgar or pabndey somo-salat tha,magar yeh nahin mantey k us ney apney bap ko qed kerdiya ! Ya us ney apney kisi bhai ko zinda nahiN chora (Iqtidar ki khatir).Yeh bhi to haqeeqat hey........yeh bhi to mano.
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Iqbal aur Jinnah ka jo muqaam logon ke dilon mein hai wo sirf sur sirf Respect aur ehsaan mandi ka hai.......unhon ne hamein hinduon aur unki maashrat se alag ker ke hum par ehsan kya aur issi liye unki respect ki jaati hai.........Mein apnay waalid ki respect kerta hon,iss par koi mujhe kahay ke tumhara baap to jhoota hai,dagha baazi bhi kerta hai, usne kabhi namaz nahin parhi to kya mein apnay baap ki respect kerna chhor doon ke uss mein kuch bashri kamzoriyaan bhi hai thi aur kya sar e bazaar apnay waalid ke kartooton ka dhandora peet-ta phiron ke wo bay namazi hai,sharabi hai etc etc.........
Kuch loag jab koi bara kaam kertay hain to unkay zaati afaal ko nahin unkay uss baray kaam ko dekha jaata hai.........maslan ab koi newton aur einstien ko iss liye gaaliyaan deta phiray ke un mein falan falan zaati buraiyaan thi to kya ye sahi ho ga??? hamein jis cheez se dilchaspi hai wo unka wo kaam hai jis se hamein faida pouhancha baki un mein agar koi zaati buraiyaan thi to ye unka aur Allah ka maamla hai unse mujhe kya.........
Kuch loag jab koi bara kaam kertay hain to unkay zaati afaal ko nahin unkay uss baray kaam ko dekha jaata hai.........maslan ab koi newton aur einstien ko iss liye gaaliyaan deta phiray ke un mein falan falan zaati buraiyaan thi to kya ye sahi ho ga??? hamein jis cheez se dilchaspi hai wo unka wo kaam hai jis se hamein faida pouhancha baki un mein agar koi zaati buraiyaan thi to ye unka aur Allah ka maamla hai unse mujhe kya.........
Dear Day Light, AoA
Badi-un-nazar maiN to aap ki theek maloom hoti hai , laken ager 'gehrai' main jaiN to aap ki chaNd bataiN theek nahi haiN...ya mujhey un se ikhtalaf hai !
e.g. M. Ali Jinnah (aur kisi had tek Allama Iqbal ) ke barey humara nukta nazar sirf yeh nahi keh woh humarey Mohsin aur HERO haiN , balkeh yeh donoN apney waqt ke (siyasi) LEADER aur humarey fikri ya siyasi 'rehnuma' bhi haiN . ChooNkeh topic sirf M. Ali Jinnah ke barey maiN hai, iss liye maiN sirf un per hi baat karooN ga...
Mohmammed Ali Jinnah ko sub-continent ke musalmaooN ki aksariyat ne apna LEADER balkeh 'Qaid-e-Azam' (The greatist Leader) mana aur un ki har faisley ko tasleem kiya, majority un ke peechey chai , un se umeed baNdhi , un ki baat suni aur usey wazan diya !
Quaid-e-Azam maiN aam insaanooN ki trah kuch bashri kamzooriyaN ho sakti haiN....laken as a 'Leader' woh bohat si khoobiyooN ke malik they (shid issi liye Iqbal ki nazar un per paRi, wrna Muslim leaders to aur bhi bohat they , laken Iqbal ne mualmanooN ki political leadership ke liye sirf Quaid ko select kiya )...ab sawal yeh hai keh M.A. Jinnah ki woh koun si Quadana slahyataiN thi, jo un ko doosrey leaders (Nehru, GhaNdi etc.) se mumtaz kerti hain..?
Jab kisi leader ko jaNchna ho to us ka mawazna us waqt doosrey leaders se kiya jata hai, ager hum Jinnah ko Nehru ya GaNdhi se compare kariN to Quaid ko un per wazeh bartari hasil hai :
1. Quaid-e-Azam dunyawi taleem ke lehaz se bohat aala digrees rakhtey they, achey aur samjhdar wakeel (lawer). England rahney ki wajha se angrezooN ki nafsiyat ko achi trah samjhtey they, Hindus ke barey unko start main kuch ghalti lagi laken ba'ad maiN unhaiN, un ki asliyat samjh main aa gayi (issi liye M.League main shamil ho gaye)
2. Quaid aik Sachey , straight farward aur ba-asool siyasatdan they. Aam life maiN bhi unhooN ne kabhi kisi dushman ko bhi dhooka ya faraib nahi diya ...(Rustam bhai bhi iss ki koi masal nahi de saktey).Jurrat maNd aur nadar aadmi they. kisi ka khouf nahi tha !
3. Un ka koi sex scandel ya curruption scandel bhi nahi...finacially mazboot they, paisey ke lalchi nahi they, bakaoo mal nahi they (aaj ke siyasat-dannoN ki trah). Honest (ameen ) aur committed insan they...apney cause ke liye unooN ne apni health ki bhi perwa nahi ki !
Kisi bhi leader ke liye yehi teen khasoosiyat chaiye hoti haiN...wo samkhdar ho, sacha aur jurrat maiN ho, honest (ameen) ho ! Nehru aur GhaNdi samjhdar to hooN ge, laken sachey aur honest nahi they, balkeh Nehru to gooriyooN ka aashiq tha, Mount Betan ki bewi se us ke talluqat ki stories mash.hoor haiN. DoonooN ne muslamanooN ko bohat dhookey diye...
Ab yeh sawal uthaya ja skta hai, keh kiya woh aik achey musalman they ya nahi ? iss maiN to koi shak nahi keh wo kalma go muslaman they...Un ki sari ziNdgi europe maiN guzri, deen ka bohat ziyada ilam unhaiN nahi tha, namazi bhi pakkey nahi they.Ho sakta hai kabhi ziNdgi main sharab bhi pi ho...laken apni umar ke akhri hissa maiN woh in cheezooN se door ho gaye they. [Jab kiksi shakhas kio dekhna ho to yehi dekha jata hai keh woh apni umar ke akhri hissa main kesa tha ?] KiooN keh akhri umar maiN ager koi tauba ker le to us ki tauba qabool ho jati hai !
Allah un ki (bashri) laghzashooN ko ma'af fermaye (ameen). HumaiN un ke liye Dua kartey rehna chaiye.Un ka yaqeenan Pakistani muslamnooN per bohat baRa Ehsan hai. Ager hum apney aap ko Pakistani kahtey haiN ko humain un kirdar kushi se bachna chaiye. Kisi ki ghaltiyaN batana aur baat hai aur kisi ki kirdar-kushi kerna aik doosri baat...
MaiN Rustam bhai se guzarish karoon ga keh woh Jinnah ki ghaltiyaN bataiN (ager unhooN ne koi ki haiN) laken humarey Quaid aur Leader ki kirdar-kushi hargaz na karaiN !! ...yeh 'naik' kaam kerney waley aur bohat loog haiN !
QUOTE(LEADER @ Nov 11 2005, 12:46 PM) 
Dear Day Light, AoA
Badi-un-nazar maiN to aap ki theek maloom hoti hai , laken ager 'gehrai' main jaiN to aap ki chaNd bataiN theek nahi haiN...ya mujhey un se ikhtalaf hai !
e.g. M. Ali Jinnah (aur kisi had tek Allama Iqbal ) ke barey humara nukta nazar sirf yeh nahi keh woh humarey Mohsin aur HERO haiN , balkeh yeh donoN apney waqt ke (siyasi) LEADER aur humarey fikri ya siyasi 'rehnuma' bhi haiN . ChooNkeh topic sirf M. Ali Jinnah ke barey maiN hai, iss liye maiN sirf un per hi baat karooN ga...
Mohmammed Ali Jinnah ko sub-continent ke musalmaooN ki aksariyat ne apna LEADER balkeh 'Qaid-e-Azam' (The greatist Leader) mana aur un ki har faisley ko tasleem kiya, majority un ke peechey chai , un se umeed baNdhi , un ki baat suni aur usey wazan diya !
Quaid-e-Azam maiN aam insaanooN ki trah kuch bashri kamzooriyaN ho sakti haiN....laken as a 'Leader' woh bohat si khoobiyooN ke malik they (shid issi liye Iqbal ki nazar un per paRi, wrna Muslim leaders to aur bhi bohat they , laken Iqbal ne mualmanooN ki political leadership ke liye sirf Quaid ko select kiya )...ab sawal yeh hai keh M.A. Jinnah ki woh koun si Quadana slahyataiN thi, jo un ko doosrey leaders (Nehru, GhaNdi etc.) se mumtaz kerti hain..?
Jab kisi leader ko jaNchna ho to us ka mawazna us waqt doosrey leaders se kiya jata hai, ager hum Jinnah ko Nehru ya GaNdhi se compare kariN to Quaid ko un per wazeh bartari hasil hai :
1. Quaid-e-Azam dunyawi taleem ke lehaz se bohat aala digrees rakhtey they, achey aur samjhdar wakeel (lawer). England rahney ki wajha se angrezooN ki nafsiyat ko achi trah samjhtey they, Hindus ke barey unko start main kuch ghalti lagi laken ba'ad maiN unhaiN, un ki asliyat samjh main aa gayi (issi liye M.League main shamil ho gaye)
2. Quaid aik Sachey , straight farward aur ba-asool siyasatdan they. Aam life maiN bhi unhooN ne kabhi kisi dushman ko bhi dhooka ya faraib nahi diya ...(Rustam bhai bhi iss ki koi masal nahi de saktey).Jurrat maNd aur nadar aadmi they. kisi ka khouf nahi tha !
3. Un ka koi sex scandel ya curruption scandel bhi nahi...finacially mazboot they, paisey ke lalchi nahi they, bakaoo mal nahi they (aaj ke siyasat-dannoN ki trah). Honest (ameen ) aur committed insan they...apney cause ke liye unooN ne apni health ki bhi perwa nahi ki !
Kisi bhi leader ke liye yehi teen khasoosiyat chaiye hoti haiN...wo samkhdar ho, sacha aur jurrat maiN ho, honest (ameen) ho ! Nehru aur GhaNdi samjhdar to hooN ge, laken sachey aur honest nahi they, balkeh Nehru to gooriyooN ka aashiq tha, Mount Betan ki bewi se us ke talluqat ki stories mash.hoor haiN. DoonooN ne muslamanooN ko bohat dhookey diye...
Ab yeh sawal uthaya ja skta hai, keh kiya woh aik achey musalman they ya nahi ? iss maiN to koi shak nahi keh wo kalma go muslaman they...Un ki sari ziNdgi europe maiN guzri, deen ka bohat ziyada ilam unhaiN nahi tha, namazi bhi pakkey nahi they.Ho sakta hai kabhi ziNdgi main sharab bhi pi ho...laken apni umar ke akhri hissa maiN woh in cheezooN se door ho gaye they. [Jab kiksi shakhas kio dekhna ho to yehi dekha jata hai keh woh apni umar ke akhri hissa main kesa tha ?] KiooN keh akhri umar maiN ager koi tauba ker le to us ki tauba qabool ho jati hai !
Allah un ki (bashri) laghzashooN ko ma'af fermaye (ameen). HumaiN un ke liye Dua kartey rehna chaiye.Un ka yaqeenan Pakistani muslamnooN per bohat baRa Ehsan hai. Ager hum apney aap ko Pakistani kahtey haiN ko humain un kirdar kushi se bachna chaiye. Kisi ki ghaltiyaN batana aur baat hai aur kisi ki kirdar-kushi kerna aik doosri baat...
MaiN Rustam bhai se guzarish karoon ga keh woh Jinnah ki ghaltiyaN bataiN (ager unhooN ne koi ki haiN) laken humarey Quaid aur Leader ki kirdar-kushi hargaz na karaiN !! ...yeh 'naik' kaam kerney waley aur bohat loog haiN !
Brader-e-Azeez,itni lambi lambi post likhney ka mere pass waqt nahiN or Jinnah ki ghalatyan itni heiN k daftar darkar heiN.
---Langra loola Pakistan qabool kerna sirf apney iqtidar k liye !
---Tamam jageer daroN ko ratoN raat ML mein shamil ker liya,iss yaqeen dahani k sath k
jageer dari nizam ko Nehru ney khatam kerney ka ellan ker diya,lekin ML iss ko tahafuz
degi.Or diya bhi,nateeja aaj tak bhugat rahey hein.
----Jinnah ko maloom hi nahin tha k kiya hona hey.Ek million inasanoN ka khoon beh gaya,bad mein farmaya k agar mujhey maloom hota to kabhi patition qabool na kerta.
Haay us zood pashemaN ka pashemaN hona.
Ek essa mulk banana jis ka koi constitution hi nahiN tha.Do hissey,dooor dooor,beech mein dushman,wah rey wah,kya vision tha.Gharaz kahaN tak suno gey kahaN tak sunauN?Bohat,bohat,bohat ghalatiyaN hein.Choro iss qissey ko,ab agar Pakistan ko bachana hey to muzhabi jamatoN ko qaboo kero warna bohat bura hashar hoga
QUOTE(Rustam @ Nov 11 2005, 04:37 PM)
Brader-e-Azeez,itni lambi lambi post likhney ka mere pass waqt nahiN or Jinnah ki ghalatyan itni heiN k daftar darkar heiN.
---Langra loola Pakistan qabool kerna sirf apney iqtidar k liye !
---Tamam jageer daroN ko ratoN raat ML mein shamil ker liya,iss yaqeen dahani k sath k
jageer dari nizam ko Nehru ney khatam kerney ka ellan ker diya,lekin ML iss ko tahafuz
degi.Or diya bhi,nateeja aaj tak bhugat rahey hein.
----Jinnah ko maloom hi nahin tha k kiya hona hey.Ek million inasanoN ka khoon beh gaya,bad mein farmaya k agar mujhey maloom hota to kabhi patition qabool na kerta.
Haay us zood pashemaN ka pashemaN hona.
Ek essa mulk banana jis ka koi constitution hi nahiN tha.Do hissey,dooor dooor,beech mein dushman,wah rey wah,kya vision tha.Gharaz kahaN tak suno gey kahaN tak sunauN?Bohat,bohat,bohat ghalatiyaN hein.Choro iss qissey ko,ab agar Pakistan ko bachana hey to muzhabi jamatoN ko qaboo kero warna bohat bura hashar hoga
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---Langra loola Pakistan qabool kerna sirf apney iqtidar k liye !
Dear Rustam bhai,
Aap phir kirdar kushi ki tarf ja rahey haiN...aap yeh to keh saktey haiN ke Quaid ne langRa loola Pakistan qabool ker ke 'ghalti' ki.......laken yeh nahi keh saktey keh , aisa unhooN ne apney iqtedar ke liye kiya ! Yeh aik ilzam hai ....marey khiyal maiN woh 'bad-niyyat' shakhs nahi they ...!
Ager un ki niyyat kharab hoti to Pakistan banney ke ba'ad jab kisi muslim rehnuma ne unhaiN mushwara diya keh aap ta-hayyat sadar (life long president) ban jaiN to unhooN aisi kisi tajweez ko sakhti se reject ker diya tha aur apney ghussey ka izhar kiya tha !
Asal main hum M. Ali Jinnah per yeh ilzamat iss liye lagatey hain keh un ke khalaf likhi gai tahreeaiN to ghour se paRtey haiN laken un ke haq maiN kisi tahreer/kitab ko paRhna gawara nahi kartey ..!
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---Tamam jageer daroN ko ratoN raat ML mein shamil ker liya,iss yaqeen dahani k sath k
jageer dari nizam ko Nehru ney khatam kerney ka ellan ker diya,lekin ML iss ko tahafuz
degi.Or diya bhi,nateeja aaj tak bhugat rahey hein.
jageer dari nizam ko Nehru ney khatam kerney ka ellan ker diya,lekin ML iss ko tahafuz
degi.Or diya bhi,nateeja aaj tak bhugat rahey hein.
Aap ki yeh baat theek hai keh Quaid ke ird gird Punjab aur Sindh Jageerdaroon ka toola tha...jinhaiN iqtedar milta nazar aa raha tha ...laken un ke ilawa Bengal etc. ke popular siyasi leader bhi un ke saath they ...
JageerdarooN ko sath milana bhi shaid Quaid ki majboori thi, warna woh ander se kush nahi they...tab hi to unhooN in ke barey kaha tha keh 'meri jaib (pocket) main sab 'khootey sikkey' hain !
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----Jinnah ko maloom hi nahin tha k kiya hona hey.Ek million inasanoN ka khoon beh gaya,bad mein farmaya k agar mujhey maloom hota to kabhi patition qabool na kerta
Partition jis trah hoi, waqai us trah nahi honi chaiye thi, laken iss maiN itna khoon kharaba hoga yeh to Quid-e-Azma kiya, kisi ko bhi pta nahi tha...Is ke qasoor-war Quaid-e-Azam nahi, Hindu aur Sikh aur un leaders they ...jin se aaj phir hum doostiyan ker rahey haiN !
Leader Bhaiya,Last viceroy Lord Mount Batten ney kaha tha k mein Pakistan ka pehla goverer genral ban-na chahta hun,takey iqtidar ki muntaqli,or Pakistan ka haq milna assan ho jaye,magar maloom hey Jinnah ney kya kaha????Uss ney kaha"NO...Let the area of Pakistan be like my matchbox,I will be the the first GG of Pakistan".Yeh Gurdaspur,Hyderabad Daacan,Juna-Garh,Kasmir waghera ka jhagra hi nahin hota mer bhai.Ub mein issey iqtidar ki khatir na kahuN to kya kahuN??
Aap fermatey hein k haN un k gird jageerdar ikhataey ho gaye they.To kya woh bila wajha jama ho gaye the??Leader bhai,asal bat yeh hey k Congress ney jageer dari nizam khatam kerney manshoor declare kerdiya tha,Pakistan bunney mein abhi kuch arsa baqi tha.Punjab bhar sey Tuanney,Doltaney,Mamdot or na janey kon kon Jinnah k pass pohnchey,jis ney unhein yaqeen dahani kervai k nai mumlikat mein woh bilkul mehfooz hongey.Bus phir kya tha,woh Punjab jis ney kul 31% vote Pakistan k haq mein diye they,jahaN Sir Chotoo Ram ki serbrahi meiN Unionist party rule ker rahi thi,fori ML mein ghuss gaya??
Aap farmatey hein k Jinnah ney kaha tha k meri jaib mein khotey sikkey hein.Mein poochta hun k woh jaib kis ki thi???Jis shakhs ko apni jeb per hi control na ho woh iss laiaq kese ho gaya k ek mulk ka nazm o nasq sambhal sakey[/colo
[color=#CC33CC]Aakhir mein aap kehtey hein k Quaid(aap k)ko maloom nahin tha itna khoon kharaba ho ga.To batao uss shakhs ka vision kya tha??Pata nahiN Allam Iqbal kahaN sey pakar laye essey ziddi admi ko
Aap fermatey hein k haN un k gird jageerdar ikhataey ho gaye they.To kya woh bila wajha jama ho gaye the??Leader bhai,asal bat yeh hey k Congress ney jageer dari nizam khatam kerney manshoor declare kerdiya tha,Pakistan bunney mein abhi kuch arsa baqi tha.Punjab bhar sey Tuanney,Doltaney,Mamdot or na janey kon kon Jinnah k pass pohnchey,jis ney unhein yaqeen dahani kervai k nai mumlikat mein woh bilkul mehfooz hongey.Bus phir kya tha,woh Punjab jis ney kul 31% vote Pakistan k haq mein diye they,jahaN Sir Chotoo Ram ki serbrahi meiN Unionist party rule ker rahi thi,fori ML mein ghuss gaya??
Aap farmatey hein k Jinnah ney kaha tha k meri jaib mein khotey sikkey hein.Mein poochta hun k woh jaib kis ki thi???Jis shakhs ko apni jeb per hi control na ho woh iss laiaq kese ho gaya k ek mulk ka nazm o nasq sambhal sakey[/colo
[color=#CC33CC]Aakhir mein aap kehtey hein k Quaid(aap k)ko maloom nahin tha itna khoon kharaba ho ga.To batao uss shakhs ka vision kya tha??Pata nahiN Allam Iqbal kahaN sey pakar laye essey ziddi admi ko
QUOTE(Rustam @ Nov 12 2005, 10:51 AM)
Leader Bhaiya,Last viceroy Lord Mount Batten ney kaha tha k mein Pakistan ka pehla goverer genral ban-na chahta hun,takey iqtidar ki muntaqli,or Pakistan ka haq milna assan ho jaye,magar maloom hey Jinnah ney kya kaha????Uss ney kaha"NO...Let the area of Pakistan be like my matchbox,I will be the the first GG of Pakistan".Yeh Gurdaspur,Hyderabad Daacan,Juna-Garh,Kasmir waghera ka jhagra hi nahin hota mer bhai.Ub mein issey iqtidar ki khatir na kahuN to kya kahuN??
Aap fermatey hein k haN un k gird jageerdar ikhataey ho gaye they.To kya woh bila wajha jama ho gaye the??Leader bhai,asal bat yeh hey k Congress ney jageer dari nizam khatam kerney manshoor declare kerdiya tha,Pakistan bunney mein abhi kuch arsa baqi tha.Punjab bhar sey Tuanney,Doltaney,Mamdot or na janey kon kon Jinnah k pass pohnchey,jis ney unhein yaqeen dahani kervai k nai mumlikat mein woh bilkul mehfooz hongey.Bus phir kya tha,woh Punjab jis ney kul 31% vote Pakistan k haq mein diye they,jahaN Sir Chotoo Ram ki serbrahi meiN Unionist party rule ker rahi thi,fori ML mein ghuss gaya??
Aap farmatey hein k Jinnah ney kaha tha k meri jaib mein khotey sikkey hein.Mein poochta hun k woh jaib kis ki thi???Jis shakhs ko apni jeb per hi control na ho woh iss laiaq kese ho gaya k ek mulk ka nazm o nasq sambhal sakey[/colo
[color=#CC33CC]Aakhir mein aap kehtey hein k Quaid(aap k)ko maloom nahin tha itna khoon kharaba ho ga.To batao uss shakhs ka vision kya tha??Pata nahiN Allam Iqbal kahaN sey pakar laye essey ziddi admi ko
Brother Rustan,
Baat lambi ho rahi hai..maiN nahi chahta keh yeh 'behas braye behas' ban jai... shaid aap bhi nahi chatey hoN ge...na aap apna nuqta-e-nazar change karney waley hain aur na hi maiN , lehaza discussion wind up honi chaye...so consider it my last post !
You siad:
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Uss ney kaha"NO...Let the area of Pakistan be like my matchbox,I will be the the first GG of Pakistan".
Kiya aap is statement ka refrence dena pasaNd karain ge ? Who quoted & in which book ?
Marey khiyal maiN yeh aik 'false' statement hai...ya unhaiN misquote kiya giya hai , un ko bad -naam karney ke liye...wasey yeh baat to theek hai keh Mount Betan ko aik musalman mulk ka (first) G.G. nahi banna chaiye tha, what so ever the reason !
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Leader bhai,asal bat yeh hey k Congress ney jageer dari nizam khatam kerney manshoor declare kerdiya tha,Pakistan bunney mein abhi kuch arsa baqi tha.Punjab bhar sey Tuanney,Doltaney,Mamdot or na janey kon kon Jinnah k pass pohnchey,jis ney unhein yaqeen dahani kervai k nai mumlikat mein woh bilkul mehfooz hongey
Ho sakta hai aap theek hoon...laken I think ke jo reason aap ne batai , woh nahi thi.
Asal bat yeh thi keh 1940 maiN jab Pak. resulotion pass hoi , us waqt koi jagerrdar ya wdera Quaid-e-Azam ke saath nahi tha...aam loog aur aam leader un ke saath they like A.K Fazl-e-haq (chaNd nawaboon ko chooRh ker)..
Laken jab tahreek Pakistan chali, aur aam loog (middle classke ) aik kaseer tedaad maiN Muslim League main shamil hoey aur Quid-e-Azam ko muslamanooN ki aik vast majority ki support mil gai , to in JageerdarooN aur wadairoon ne hawa ka rukh dekh ker M.L maiN shamil honey ka faisla kiya, kiouN keh ab inhaiN bhi Pakistan banta nazar aa raha tha !
Yeh loog apney mafad ke liye Quaid ke saath mil gaye (Quaid ne bhi waqti tour per inhain saath mila liya, apna goul hasil karney ke liye ) ...warna pahley yeh loog Unioinist party main they..cogress in ko iss liye suit nahi kerti thi keh hindu majotity waley mulk maiN inhaiN itni facilities hasil nahi ho sakti thi jitni aik muslim majrity waley mulk maiN .. !
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Aakhir mein aap kehtey hein k Quaid(aap k)ko maloom nahin tha itna khoon kharaba ho ga.To batao uss shakhs ka vision kya tha??Pata nahiN Allam Iqbal kahaN sey pakar laye essey ziddi admi ko
Mohtram, aap jo kuch ferma rahey hain uss ka talluq 'vision' se nahi, 'ilm-e-ghaib' se hai...Quaid ka vision bRa clear tha, "To create a seperate homeland for the muslims of subconitnent". iss ke liye musalmanooN ne Quiaid ki leadership main aik be-masal jad-o-jehd ki...aur 7 saal ke arsey main objective hasil ker liya !
Pakistan kioN banaya giya... "Pakistan ka mtlab kiya...La Ilaha Illal Allah" se zahir ho raha hai !
Jo baat aap ferma rahey haiN, woh 'ilm-e-ghaib' hai, jis ka koi prohet (paighamber) bhi dawa nahi ker sakta, Allah ke siwa .....!
take care,
Wassalam
Ilm-e-ghayb nahin mere dost 'Vision"..."Vision".Ek achey leader k samney manzil hoti hey or uss k liye uss k zehan mein poora mansooba hota hey.Wahan to Jinnah k samney ek naye mulk ka poora khaka hi nahiN tha.Kher choriye.......agar latest tehreer parhni ho to aaj k daily "EXPRESS" mein Zaheer Akhtar Bedri ka column"Qomi maqasid k taiyun k bagher" perh leejey.Shayad kuch sumjh mein aa jaye 
warna Tata..bye,bye
warna Tata..bye,bye
nice.....................
RUSTAM!
Actully, topic bohat puraana ho gaya aor abhi nazar say guzra. Phir bhi koi baat nahi aap k liay humaaray yeh aflaaz kaafi hain.
U know what. Agar aapki chand alfaaz mein tareef ki jaaey to woh aisee ho
Actully, topic bohat puraana ho gaya aor abhi nazar say guzra. Phir bhi koi baat nahi aap k liay humaaray yeh aflaaz kaafi hain.
U know what. Agar aapki chand alfaaz mein tareef ki jaaey to woh aisee ho
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