Assalam-o-alaikum,

aik article post ker raha hoon jo marathon race issue kay baray mae hay... yay article marathon race kay honay sey pehlay likkha gaya tha... aaj akhbaar sey pata chala kay ladies aur gents kee mixed race ho chukee hay...... baharhaal article mae jo likkha gaya wo aesa hay kay baat samajh aa sakay... iss liyay paish-e-khidmat hay..



ubb tu yay marathon race ho chukee hay..... pakistani hukkam ney iss ka yay reason diya hay kay iss sey pakistan ka "soft image" dunya kay samnay aaey ga... goya kuffar ko raazi karnay kay liyay aik aur nakaam koshish kee hay pakistani hukkam ney aur isay bey-deen tabqay ney kamyaab karanay kee koshish kee...

ubb pakistan yaqeenan raaton raat "taraqqi" kee shahrah per gaamzan ho jaey ga... dunya bher kay kuffar hum sey raazi ho jaen gey.... hamara "soft image" unhaen pasand aa jaey ga... etc.


wassalaam,
farooqi.

marathon ke baaray mein kya kehna ab to wo ho chuki, laikin koi cheez kitni bhi buri ho jaan bhooj ker jhoot bol ker exxaggeration nahin kerni chaahiye jo ke jamaat e islami waalay ker rahay hain......
Pehli baat nickers pehen kar larkiyun ka daurna........ye jhoot sirf aur sirf awam ko uksaanay ke liye bola jaata hai jabke olympics tak mein pakistani women track suit mein race lagati hain......khair ziada nahin kahon ga iss jhoot ka ilm mazhabi jamaton ko khud bhi hai.
doosra jhoot ke larkiyun ko zabardasti race mein shaamil kya jaa raha hai, jabke koi kisi ko zabardasti nahin daura raha sab apni marzi se gayi thi......

Mukhalfat kerna ghalat nahin laikin najane jamaat waalay jhoot ka sahara kyun letay hain??

Sach ke alam.bar.dar janab Day Light ya 'Truth Ligh't sahb,

Jamaat ke jhoot ki kitni fikar hai aap ko...laken apna 'JHOOT' nazar nahi aa raha aap ko !!

Aap bhi to jhoot hi bool rahey haiN;

1. Nikar pahney hoey , dooRti hoi aik (African) laRki ki photo main ne khud dekhi hai Akhbar maiN...aur aap jhoot booley ja rahey haiN keh aisi koi laRki marathon main nahi thi...!!

Jamaat per ilzam lagana aap ki aadat hai...laken jhoot bool ker nahi

2. LarkiyaN zabardasti laayi gai. Lahore marathon maiN ya nahi (I don't know kioN keh ab main pakistan main nahi hooN)...laken last year jab April maiN GujraNwala maiN marathon ka elan hoa tha to colleges ki teachers ko yeh task diya giya tha keh woh har college se itni tedad main laRkiyan race waley din stadium maiN pohNchaiN...aisi teachers marey ilam maiN haiN...ab bataiN aap kiya kehtey hain ???

wasey non issues ko issues banaey ke mahir haiN aap...asal issue jamaat ka role nahi balkeh marathon aur us ke pas.pardah maqasid haiN...in per bhi thoRi si rooshni dal daiN (meharbani ho gi)....kiya khiyal hai !!

Aap makhllot marathon ko pasaNd kertey hain ya nahi ?? do took alfaz main bataiN ??

Itni talkhi meri jaanib, mere liye ghair muttawaqqu thi. khair no problem



No, i dont like that.....i think u didnt get my point, i was not in support of marathon but i was also not in support of spreading lies about that event.


Jahan tak larkiyun ko zabardasti race mein shaamil kerwanay waali baat to mere bhai ye bilkul saamne ki baat hai ke koi bhi hamari behan ya beti ko zabardasti race ke maidaan mein le ker jaa sakta hai?? agar ghar waalon ki ijazat nahin hai to teachers ki aisi ki tesi, najane ye baat aapkay halk se kaise utar jaati hai......teachers ko agar ye task diya bhi gaya ho to wo larkiyan race waalay din apnay ghar walon ki ijazat se ghar se nikli thi school se khel ke maidaan mein nahin aayi thi, it was totally their own decision, Ziada se ziada teachers se kaha bhi gaya ho ga to yahi ke har class mein jaa ker students ko race ke liye amada karain aur unkay naam waghaira likh ker entries bhaijain, najane zabardasti waali baat aapkay halk se kaise guzar jaati hai.........farz karain meri behen hai ya aapki behen hai , school waalay entry bhijwa dein ,majboor karain ke race mein aana hai to race waalay din ghar se nikal ker race mein jaanay ki ijazat to mujh se aur aap se hi lein gi na, ya hum aur aap school teachers se dartay huway apni behno ko race ke maidaan mein chhor aain gay ke teacher maaray gi.......kamaal hai.Secondly live program mein khud khawateen ka kehna tha ke hum apni marzi se aayi hain..........



pehlay mujhe ye parh ke hansi aayi laikin baad mein jab aapne kaha ke aap pakistan mein nahin hain to tab samajh aayi........mere bhai jamaat ka kehna hai ke PAKISTANI larkiyun ko nicker shirt mein gharon se le nikala jaa raha hai..........

Aapko shaaid ilm nahin ke ye ghair mulki , maslan chinese aur africans waghaira pakistan mein wesay bhi aam taur par nickers ya skirts mein dekhay jaatay hain.........baat unki ho hi nahin rahi.........wo to saf games mein bhi nickers mein thi aur tv par live aayi thi saf games........concern ye hai hi nahin , concern tab ho gi jab pakistani larkiyan nickers mein aain gi.........aur jaamat ka kehna bhi pakistani larkiyun ke baaray mein hai kyunke ghair mulki khawateen to wesay bhi lahore,islamabad aur karachi mein iss libaas mein dekhi jaati hain..........



Jhoot to ye nahin, aap pakistani larkiyun ko nickers mein dikha dein race ke dauraan.......balkeh garmiyaan hoti to shaaid koi maan bhi leta itni sardi mein track suit mein baahir nikal aana bari himmat ki baat thi :d



[b][color=#660000]Non issues ko issue nahin bana raha aik zimni baat ki thi ke beshak iski mukhalfat karain lekin such mein jhoot shaamil ker ke nahin........iss baat par bhala ghussa kyun??
Marathon ke baaray mein kya kehna wo to sab keh hi rahay hain aur issi article mein bhi hai ke ye hamari iqdaar ke khilaaf hai.......sahi nahin hai.

Ye phir exaggeration hai, mein issi ghalo ke khilaaf hon, aitdaal pasandi mein reh kar tanqeed kerni chahaiye........
Doosri baat yahan to phir bhi sirf aik shehar ki aur wo bhi sirf kuch raaston ki bandish thi aur wo bhi sirf subha se dopahar tak, iss se ziada mushkilaat 9 aur 10 muharram aur elections ke dino mein hoti hain, lekin uskay mutallik koi kuch nahin kehtay aur na hi kahay ga :d :d Itni dair ke liye to kisi ghair mulki mehmaan ne aana ho to phir bhi traffic band rehti hai, ya president ne hi aana ho....Mein ye nahin keh raha ke iss tarha raastay band kerna sahi hai,mein keh ye raha hon ke ye koi nayi baat nahin hui jo isko issue banaya jaaye.........ye to hum jaisi nalaik qaum ka culture ban chuka hai.

Janab-e-masoom Day Light sahb,

Mujhey samjh nahi aa rahi keh aap waqai itney saada aur bhooley hain...keh jitna ban.ney ki kooshish ker rahey hain !!

Aik seedhi si baat ko khahm.kha 'laffazi' ke zariye uljhaney ki (nakaam) kooshish na karaiN...asal baat aap bhi jantey hain..itney na samjh to nahi haiN !!

Ager hakoomat 'teachers' ko yeh task deti hai keh aap ne lazman itni laRkiyaN register kerni hai aur ground tek pohnchani haiN....to is se kiya zahir ho raha hai ??

Yehi ke hakoomat ki intention yeh hai keh wo 'zabardesti' laRkioN ko dooRana chahti hai, warna aisey order jari kerney ki zaroorat nahi...yeh alag baat hai keh laRkiyan hakoomti zabardasti ke bawjood 'deeni ghairat' ki wajha se na dooRna chahain (sawai chaNd aik ke )

Yeni hakoomat ki 'intention' zabardesti ki hai...aur aap hakoomat ko masoom zahir kertey hoey sara malba 'jamaat-e-islami' per dal rahey hain (aur hakoomat ke khalaf aik lafaz boolna bhi gawara nahi)....wah bhai wah,, kiya sooch hai !!

Doosri baat aap ne fermayi keh koi pakistani laRki 'niker' pehan ker nahi dooRi...yeni ager African laRki lahore ki saRkooN per niker pehan le...to aap ko koi etraz nahI !!...

Sirf etraz iss baat per hai keh pakistani laRkiyan niker na pahnaiN...kiye gharait-e-imani hai !!

bhai masoom, yeh bhi yaad rakhain keh ...aaj ager Pakistani laRkiyaN (poorey labas ke saath )mardoon ke saath dooRaiN gi...to kal nikar pahn.ney ki noobat bhi aa jai gi...hukmran to yehi chahtey haiN...kiya aap bhi ??

Hukmran har aisa kaam 'gradually' kerna chahtey haiN...aur mazhabi jamaatain is liye ehtajaj ker rahi haiN...keh 'nip the evil' in the bud ..Ok

umeed hai baat kuch samjh main aa gai ho gi !!

Well no comments, just i will comment on one sentence,




:d baat mere aitraaz kerne ki nahin balkeh Jamaat e Islami ke aitraz kerne ki hai, Kya unhon ne kabhi iss par aitraaz kya ke ghair mulki khawateen pakistan mein falan falan libaas mein kyun hoti hain, SAF games par koi aitraaz kya?? Wahan to dhairon dhair larkiyaan nickers mein daur rahi thi, wahan to swimming competitions bhi huway thay tab jamaat ko hosh nahin aayi......

Mera kehne ka sirf ye matlab tha ke jamaat jo propaganda ker rahi hai ke pakistani larkiyaan nickers mein gharon se nikal ker sarkon par pouhanchayi gayi wo ghalat hai..........iskay ilawa meine koi comment nahin diya ke kya kya cheez sahi hai aur kya kya ghalat ya kaise kaise hona chahaiye........meine sirf race ke hawalay se kaha ke theek hai ehtajaaj karain laikin jhoot ki amaizish ke saath nahin. thats simple.........baki meine govt par aitraaz ke liye kuch nahin kaha to yahan govt. ki to baat hi nahin ki meine , meine to sirf race ke hawalay se aik zimni baat ki.........bus.

MaiN ne manooN / Crow is white (for you)

Ager aap ne baat sirf marathon ki, ki hai to phir yeh Saif Games kahaN se aa gayi ??

Khawateen ke stadium ke under dooRney per Jamaat ko koi etraz nahi ...understand

Albatta saRkooN per mardoon ke saath dooRney (hakkomti serprasti main) per etraz hai ..OK

Wow, stadium mein nickers pehan ker cameras aur mardon ke saamne daurna jamaat ko manzoor hai, laikin track suit mein sarkon par daurna na manzoor, isko siyasat kahon ya kya kahon??

daylight bhai, jamaat jhoot nahi bolay gi to aur kiya karay gi?
jamaat can never be truly popular in the middle class ecause of their extrem right-wing politics. a lot of people in karachi liked naimatullah but they didn't vote for him the second time. guess why? because he was from jamaat and they don't like their policies.

Keh diya na 'Kawwa' safaid hai...aur yeh safaid hi rahey ga !!

Wasey kiya camera aur mardooN ko stadium main lana zaroori hai... ??

Khawateen ki games Iran main bhi hoti haiN...laken marathon kabhi nahi ho..kiouN i

Well i was giving u the example of SAF games, all that happened in Saf games twice in pakistan and also in islamic women games but no protest from jamaat, they only have protest against marathon race which is far better than what happen in those games,

And this attitude of jamaat prompt me to think that they have interest only in politics and then they use islam for their cause,thats simple.



Baat bhi yahi laikin jamaat ko samajh nahin aati, loag unko vote nahin detay to wo kehtay hain ke loag islam mukhalif hain etc etc laikin loag islam ke nahin jamaat ki iss do-rukhi policy ke khilaaf hain, awaam jaantay hain ke jamaat sirf apnay maqsad ke liye khaas events ko chun ker nishana banati hai aur uss se baray events ko chhor deti hai aur aik lafz tak nahin kehti.

Let me ask u one question that if jamaat doesn't protest against SAF games, does that mean that it shoulsn't raise voice against Marathon ???

Fact is that Jamaat is against all such activities that promote 'imorrality' in the society...be it SAF games or mix Marathon...but obviously Marathon is more dangerous then any other similar game, beacuse it is imposed on society by govt.and common citizens who don't have any intrest in this activity are also being 'affected' by this evil.



Wah Daylight !

Pahey yeh objection keh jamaat 'jhoot' bool rahi ha...us ka mooN tooR jawab mila to baat ko yeh keh ker taal diya giya keh 'no comments on that'

Phir position change kartey hoey foran aik aur objection lagaya giya (jo pahley shaid zahan maiN nahi tha).. keh jamaat doosri is trah ki games per protest kioN nahi kerti...

tab bhi baat nahi bani to ab teesra (nakaam) hamla kiya ja raha hai keh Jamaat deen ke naam per siyast kiouN kerti hai..(halaNkeh siyasat honi hi deen ki chaiye) yeh asal topic se 180 degree ka inharaaf hai..!!

Day Light , kiya aap ke paas jamaat ke khalaf apna bughaz nikalney ka sirf yehi tareeqa reh giya hai ??...ab ager maIn yahaN Fitna Perwaiziyat ki behas start ker doon to aap ko kesa lagey ga ? halaNkeh yeh humara topic nahi hai !

Ghulam A Perwiaz se wafadri nibhana apni jagha laken kiya zaroori hai keh un ke naqsh-e-qadam per chaltey hoey Jamaat-e-Islami (jo munkreen-e-hadees ki asal dushman hai) per bhi be ja ilzamaat lagaey jaiN...so mind your language plz (PerwaiziooN ki haqeeqat bhi kisi se chupi hoi nahi hai )

Take care

Now u r just loosing ur cool which is the utmost need of a discussion

[quote]Let me ask u one question that if jamaat doesn't protest against SAF games, does that mean that it shoulsn't raise voice against Marathon ???[/quote]

Meine aisa kaha?? meine kaha to ye kaha ke baray baray events jin mein laa tadaad khawateen nicker shirts mein aayi tab jamaat kuch nahin boli laikin aik bouhat chhotay se takreeban 3 hours ke event par jis mein khawateen track suits mein aayi uss par shadeed aitraaz aur protest, aik aam sochne waalay zehen mein ye sawal paida hona laazmi hai ke aisa kyun,

Aur agar protest kerna bhi tha to meine iss ke baaray mein bhi sirf yahi kaha ke jee haan protest karain laikin jhoot ya exaggeration ka sahara le ker nahin, aur yahi baat aapko chub gayi.

[quote]but obviously Marathon is more dangerous then any other similar game[/quote]

How?? women swimming ke muqablay mardon ke saamne hotay rahay aur tv par aatay rahay, gymnastic aur races hoti rahi intehayi kam libaas mein laikin wo ziada dangerous nahin ziada dangerous to ye marathon hai........wah........jee nahin balkeh asal wajah ye hai ke marathon ki mukhalfat ker ke awam mein waapis aana chah rahi hai jamaat e islami, ye sirf aik political khel hai aur bus.

[quote]beacuse it is imposed on society by govt.and common citizens who don't have any intrest in this activity are also being 'affected' by this evil.
[/quote]

Iss baat ko jamaat e islami ke ilawa duniya ka har shakhs jhutlata hai.......na to ye impose ki gayi aur na hi 17000 athletes ko le ker aana zabardasti mumkin tha.........laikin jamaat karay kya bechaari agar jhoot ka sahara na le, aisa kehne ki bajaye jamaat agar koi aur jawab dhoondti to kahin behtar hota aur jamaat ki baat asar bhi paida kerti.

[quote]Pahey yeh objection keh jamaat 'jhoot' bool rahi ha...us ka mooN tooR jawab mila to baat ko yeh keh ker taal diya giya keh 'no comments on that'
[/quote]

moonh toar jawab diya tha :d such such bataon kyun meine likha tha no comments on that........meine sirf iss liye likha tha ke ye aisa bachgana jawab tha ke comments diye baghair hi sab samajh jaatay ke kon sahi keh raha hai aur wakayi jamaat ne jhoot se kaam liya ya nahin. Kasam se yahi wajah thi :d

[quote]Phir position change kartey hoey foran aik aur objection lagaya giya (jo pahley shaid zahan maiN nahi tha).. keh jamaat doosri is trah ki games per protest kioN nahi kerti...[/quote]

Ye to ab doosray par zabardasti apni baat thonsnay waali baat hai...........jab meine pehla reply kya to uss wakt SAF games waghaira ki misaal pesh kernay ka koi mauqa hi nahin tha, wahan meine sirf ye bataya ke theek hai jamaat protest karay laikin ye 2 jhoot na bolay...........uskay baad aap danda le ker maidaan mein aaye to mujhe mazeed baat kerni pari iss par.

Mujhe jamaat ke protest par aitraz nahin tha balkeh saath mein jhooti baatein shaamil kerne par aitraz tha.

[quote]tab bhi baat nahi bani to ab teesra (nakaam) hamla kiya ja raha hai keh Jamaat deen ke naam per siyast kiouN kerti hai..(halaNkeh siyasat honi hi deen ki chaiye)[/quote]

Inn do baaton mein zameen aasman ka farq hai:

1- Aapka kehna ke "Siyasat deen ki hi honi chaahiye".
2- Mera kehna "Jamaat siyasat ke liye deen ko istemaal kerti hai".

Deen ke liye siyasat aur siyasat ke liye deen ko use kernay mein farq wazeh hai.


[quote]yeh asal topic se 180 degree ka inharaaf hai..!!
[/quote]

Kaise asal topic se inheraaf hai?? jamaat aur marathon par baat ho rahi thi aur ye baat bhi iska hissa hai.

[quote]Day Light , kiya aap ke paas jamaat ke khalaf apna bughaz nikalney ka sirf yehi tareeqa reh giya hai ??...[/quote]

Nahin aur bhi kaafi tareekay hain
mujhe jamaat se koi bughz nahin, ghalat baat ko ghalat kehna bughz nahin.

[quote]ab ager maIn yahaN Fitna Perwaiziyat ki behas start ker doon to aap ko kesa lagey ga ?[/quote]

Aray pooch kyun rahay hain ker dein start :d wakayi agar koi fitna jamaat e islami se barh ker bhi hai iss duniya mein to uss par bhi baat honi chaahiye

[quote]halaNkeh yeh humara topic nahi hai ! [/quote]

Chalein shukar hai aapko ye to pata hai

[quote]Ghulam A Perwiaz se wafadri nibhana apni jagha[/quote]

Aray bai ye Ghulam A Parwaiz ne marathon kerwayi hai?? hmmmm mujhe ab pata chala

[quote]laken kiya zaroori hai keh un ke naqsh-e-qadam per chaltey hoey Jamaat-e-Islami (jo munkreen-e-hadees ki asal dushman hai) per bhi be ja ilzamaat lagaey jaiN[/quote]

Aray Marathon aur munkire hadith ??? i think inn dono cheezon mein sirf "M" common hai waisay marathon ka to mujhe pata hai ke kya hota hai laikin ye munkir e hadith ki definition batana pasand karain gay kya ??

[quote]so mind your language plz (PerwaiziooN ki haqeeqat bhi kisi se chupi hoi nahi hai )
[/quote]

ki haqeeqat "bhi" se aapki kya muraad hai?? iss se sirf aik muraad ho sakti hai ke jamaat ki haqeeqat logon ko pata hai to phir kya hua parweziyun ki haqeeqat "bhi" chhupi hui nahin hai............"bhi" ka word wahan hi use hota hai jahan koi aur bhi waisa hi ho :d :d chalain aap jamaat ke mutallik to maan gaye

Baki mind ur language ka kya matlab hua?? Meine to koi kharab language use nahin ki , haan aap apna tawazun khotay jaa rahay hain............Aur ye ab nahin hua har har discussion mein aap aisa hi kertay rahay hain ke topic koi sa bhi chal raha ho aapko jab jawab nahin aata to ghussay mein aa jaatay hain aur phir sirf aik hi harba reh jaata hai aapkay paas ke doosray ko parwezi ya munkir e hadith ki gaali de ker apnay nafs ko mutmaeen ker diya jaaye aur bilkul 100% yahi aadat jamaat e islami ki hai. (yaad rahay ke mere nazdeek kisi hadith ke maan-ne waalay ko munkir e hadith kehna aur kisi muslim ko parwezi kehna aik gaali hai jo aapne di hai kyunke mein parwezi nahin muslim hon aur hadith ka maan-ne waala hon). Aur aik hadith ke mutaabik sab se kamzoar shakhs wo hota hai jo baat karay to gaali de................aur jamaat waalay aur aap jesay loag islam ka zubani wird to kertay hain laikin mauqa aanay par aisi "muqaddas gaaliyun" se apna pait bhi bhartay hain kyunke kuch logon ko ye nafsiyaati bemaari hoti hai ke jab tak wo doosray ko gaaliyaan na de lein unka apna nafs mutmain nahin ho jaata.........Aur Quran ka bhi dars yahi hai ke "doosron ko buray naamon se mutt pukaro"...........Laikin ye Quran aur hadith ki baatein to sirf kerne ke liye hoti hai amal kerne ke liye to nahin hoti na.....hana, ye akhlaqiyaat ke dars to sirf doosron ko sunanay ke liye hotay hain apnay liye thori hotay hain.

[quote ]name='Daylight' date='Feb 4 2006, 02:22 AM' post='2119565']

Now u r just loosing ur cool which is the utmost need of a discussion[/quote]

How said u ? I'm very much cool !

[quote]Meine aisa kaha?? meine kaha to ye kaha ke baray baray events jin mein laa tadaad khawateen nicker shirts mein aayi tab jamaat kuch nahin boli laikin aik bouhat chhotay se takreeban 3 hours ke event par jis mein khawateen track suits mein aayi uss par shadeed aitraaz aur protest, aik aam sochne waalay zehen mein ye sawal paida hona laazmi hai ke aisa kyun,

Aur agar protest kerna bhi tha to meine iss ke baaray mein bhi sirf yahi kaha ke jee haan protest karain laikin jhoot ya exaggeration ka sahara le ker nahin, aur yahi baat aapko chub gayi. [/quote]

Well yeh to aap keh rahey hain keh 'exaggeration' hoi..main to is dawey ko man.ney ke liye tayyar nahi (dilayal pahley de chuka hooN) aur na hi koi aur shakhs yeh keh raha hai ...ab aap be.shak kahtey rahain (aap azad hain) , is se kiya farq paRta hai ? (koi nahi)

Phir aap ager yeh etraz uthartey hain keh iss trah ki doosry games per ehtjaj kioun nahi hoa...to yeh sawal aap se bhi poocha ja sakta hai,, keh akhir G.M pervaiz ke pero kar medan main kioN nahi nikltey...kiyaN aap ke paooN pe mehNdi lagi hai ??

[quote]jee nahin balkeh asal wajah ye hai ke marathon ki mukhalfat ker ke awam mein waapis aana chah rahi hai jamaat e islami, ye sirf aik political khel hai aur bus.[/quote]

ji bilkul iss maiN political factor bhi mojood hai..kiouN keh Jamaat-e-Islami ki siyasat DEEN ke tabe'e hai...aur aap bhi mantey haiN ke Deen maiN (AurtooN MardooN ki) makhloot race ka koi taswwar nahi !!

lehaza aap ko bhi jamaat-e-Islami ke ehtjaj main shamil hona chaiye (tha) ...balkeh har wo shakhs ja apney aap ko muslaman kehta hai, usey is moqey per ehtjaj kerna chaiye..is it ?

[quote]Iss baat ko jamaat e islami ke ilawa duniya ka har shakhs jhutlata hai.......na to ye impose ki gayi aur na hi 17000 athletes ko le ker aana zabardasti mumkin tha.........laikin jamaat karay kya bechaari agar jhoot ka sahara na le, aisa kehne ki bajaye jamaat agar koi aur jawab dhoondti to kahin behtar hota aur jamaat ki baat asar bhi paida kerti.[/quote]

Aap ke ilawa meri is baat ko aur koun shakhs jhutla raha hai...zra bataiN ge?

Police force aur dandey ke zoor per aik burai ho rahi hai...aur aap kahtey haiN keh impose nahi ki ja rahi...yaqeen na aaye to lahore ke loogoon se ja ker pooch lain, keh Marathon ke din kitnet tang they...(har tarf roads block)...

Lahore 60 lakh ki abaadi ka shahar hai..17000 ki abadi ka nahi !! Ager main yeh dawa karooN ke aksariyat iss ke khlaf thi , to aap isey challange ker saktey haiN ??

[quote] moonh toar jawab diya tha :d such such bataon kyun meine likha tha no comments on that........meine sirf iss liye likha tha ke ye aisa bachgana jawab tha ke comments diye baghair hi sab samajh jaatay ke kon sahi keh raha hai aur wakayi jamaat ne jhoot se kaam liya ya nahin. Kasam se yahi wajah thi [/quote]

Kasam koun loog khatey hain...yeh aap mujh se behtar jantey haiN !!


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Mujhe jamaat ke protest par aitraz nahin tha balkeh saath mein jhooti baatein shaamil kerne par aitraz tha.[/quote]

[quote]aitraz tha..it means ke ab nahi raha...Allah karey ke aisa hi ho


Inn do baaton mein zameen aasman ka farq hai:

1- Aapka kehna ke "Siyasat deen ki hi honi chaahiye".
2- Mera kehna "Jamaat siyasat ke liye deen ko istemaal kerti hai".

Deen ke liye siyasat aur siyasat ke liye deen ko use kernay mein farq wazeh hai.
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Jamaat ki siysat 'Deeni siysat' hai...misal deta hooN:

Dinmark maiN cartton ki isha'at per sab se baRa muzahira Karachi maiN Jamaat ke tehat hoa hai

[quote]Nahin aur bhi kaafi tareekay hain
mujhe jamaat se koi bughz nahin, ghalat baat ko ghalat kehna bughz nahin.[/quote]

To Sahi baat ko ghalat kehna kiya kehlata hai??

[quote]Aray pooch kyun rahay hain ker dein start :d wakayi agar koi fitna jamaat e islami se barh ker bhi hai iss duniya mein to uss par bhi baat honi chaahiye [/quote]

Munkareen-e-hadees ke liye waqai jamaat kisi fitney se kam nahi...ha ha ha

[quote]Aray bai ye Ghulam A Parwaiz ne marathon kerwayi hai?? hmmmm mujhe ab pata chala [/quote]

Ghulam A perwaiz to bechara khud sari umer Marthon maiN dooRta raha...(us ke peechey Ulam-e-Haq jo they) ..usey marathon kernaey ki kahaN himmat paRti ??

[quote]Aray Marathon aur munkire hadith ??? i think inn dono cheezon mein sirf "M" common hai waisay marathon ka to mujhe pata hai ke kya hota hai laikin ye munkir e hadith ki definition batana pasand karain gay kya ??[/quote]

Marathon aur toheen-e-rasalat ke issues per jamaat ne ehtjaj kiya, jo sab ke samney hai ,
G.M pervaiz ke chahney waley Marathon per na sahi, Toheen-e-Raslat (saw) per hi koi ehtjaj record kara datey (kiya Mohamaad saw aap ke nabi nahi)...laken iss ki tofeeq bhi nahi hoi ..?? .

ab samjh maiN aaya ke marathon aur munkareen-e-hadees maiN kiya cheez common hai ...lolzz

[quote]ki haqeeqat "bhi" se aapki kya muraad hai?? iss se sirf aik muraad ho sakti hai ke jamaat ki haqeeqat logon ko pata hai to phir kya hua parweziyun ki haqeeqat "bhi" chhupi hui nahin hai............"bhi" ka word wahan hi use hota hai jahan koi aur bhi waisa hi ho chalain aap jamaat ke mutallik to maan gaye[/quote]

[b]Ji ji al-hamdulillah Jamaat ki haqeeqat, sab ke samney hai keh yeh aik asool pasaNd, deeni soch rakhney wali , muhib-e-watan jamaat hai ...aap maney ya na maney !

[quote]Baki mind ur language ka kya matlab hua?? Meine to koi kharab language use nahin ki , haan aap apna tawazun khotay jaa rahay hain............Aur ye ab nahin hua har har discussion mein aap aisa hi kertay rahay hain ke topic koi sa bhi chal raha ho aapko jab jawab nahin aata to ghussay mein aa jaatay hain aur phir sirf aik hi harba reh jaata hai aapkay paas ke doosray ko parwezi ya munkir e hadith ki gaali de ker apnay nafs ko mutmaeen ker diya jaaye aur bilkul 100% yahi aadat jamaat e islami ki hai. (yaad rahay ke mere nazdeek kisi hadith ke maan-ne waalay ko munkir e hadith kehna aur kisi muslim ko parwezi kehna aik gaali hai jo aapne di hai kyunke mein parwezi nahin muslim hon aur hadith ka maan-ne waala hon). Aur aik hadith ke mutaabik sab se kamzoar shakhs wo hota hai jo baat karay to gaali de................aur jamaat waalay aur aap jesay loag islam ka zubani wird to kertay hain laikin mauqa aanay par aisi "muqaddas gaaliyun" se apna pait bhi bhartay hain kyunke kuch logon ko ye nafsiyaati bemaari hoti hai ke jab tak wo doosray ko gaaliyaan na de lein unka apna nafs mutmain nahin ho jaata.........Aur Quran ka bhi dars yahi hai ke "doosron ko buray naamon se mutt pukaro"...........Laikin ye Quran aur hadith ki baatein to sirf kerne ke liye hoti hai amal kerne ke liye to nahin hoti na.....hana, ye akhlaqiyaat ke dars to sirf doosron ko sunanay ke liye hotay hain apnay liye thori hotay hain.
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Aaj pata chala keh kisi ko Perwaizi kahna aik GALI hai .. (humaiN koi jamaati kah bhi de to hum usey gali nahi samjhtey..humara hosla dekhiye...) laken perwaizi iss per kioN seekh.pa hotey hain ? strange !

ChlaiN maan latey haiN keh aap Perwaizi nahi haiN...phir aap yeh ELAAN ker daiN keh :

Mera ghulam A. perwaiz ki sooch , us ke khiyalat, us ke maktab-e-fikar se koi zehni , fikri ya amli talluq nahi...aur maiN us ki books aur speeches se bhi muttafiq nahi...!

Ager aap yeh elaan ker dain to inshallah aaj ke ba'ad koi bhi aap ko Perwaizi nahi kahey ga,,it is so simple !

hum bhi chahtey hain koi aap ko Perwaizi na kahey...(because Perwazi hona aur Muslaman hona do alag alag batain haiN..).






Jamat-e-Islami ki haqeeqat :




Marathon Race ki haqeeqat :




Is Coloumn maiN 'Day Light' ke iss dawey ki nafi ki gai hai..keh aksariyat Marathon ki haami hai !

Aapki frustration to aapke replies se zahir hai



lolz, such sunn ker ghussa laga!! khair to janab ye baat aap parwez ke "pairo kaaron" se hi poochain agar wakayi mein koi uska "pairokaar" hai, warna to ye aapki buhtan tarashi se ziada kuch nahin, aur buhtan baazi to aapki purani aadat hai,najane mahaol ka asar hai ya tarbiyyat ka.



To wohi to kaha hai ke ehtajaj zaroor karain laikin jhoot ka sahara na lein



Iss se ziada elections ke dino mein loag tang hotay hain kya wo bhi imposed hotay hain :d waisay meine ye nahin kaha ke sab loag iss se khush hain meine sirf ye kaha hai ke jinho ne race mein hissa liya wo apni marzi se gaye thay zabardasti nahin laaye gaye thay.



This is just a senseless comment, baat aksarriyat ke haami honay ki to hui hi nahin baat to sirf aur sirf ye hui hai ke jinho ne race mein hissa liya wo apni marzi se gaye thay zabardasti nahin laaye gaye thay.



Koi aqalmand bhi mere uss jumlay se ye nateeja nahin nikaal sakta :d



Aray seedhi si baat hai jo shakhs firka bandi ko shirk samajhta ho usko kisi firkay se zabardasti mansoob kya jaaye to wo ghussa nahin karay ga to kya karay ga ?? Haan aap loag agar firqa bandi ko ghalat nahin samajhtay to banay rahein maudodiyat ke pairokaar.



Agar koi shakhs Altaf Hussain ke khayaalaat se muttafiq hai to wo musalmaan nahin balkeh Altafi mazhab ka pairokaar ho jaata hai??? Jo Maudodi ke khayalaat se ittefaq rakhta ho wo kya Maudodiyat ka pairokaar ho jaata hai aur islam ke dairay se khaarij?? Jo Tariq Jameel ya Zakir Naik ke khayalaat ko achha samajhta hai wo jameeli ya zakiri ho jaata hai?? :d Allah aisi aql se bachaye.

Aap eelan kijiye ke maudodi aik gumrah shakhs tha aur uskay khayaalaat se aapko sakht ikhtalaaf hai warna aap Maudodiyat ke pairokaar hi rahain gay , aur maudodiyat aur islam do alag alag cheezain hain.



Daylight ka ye dawa tha hi nahin aur daylight se ye baat mansoob kernay waala shakhs yakeenan jhoota hai........

Mera dawa sirf ye hai ke jamaat ka ye kehna ghalat hai ke jin logon ne race mein hissa liya unko zabardasti race ke liye laaya gaya tha.......

Aakhir mein yahi kahon ga ke leader sahib jab har topic mein la jawaab ho jaatay hain to gaaliyun aur buhtan tarashiyun par utar aatay hain aur parwez aur inkar e hadith ko ghaseet laatay hain chaahay uska topic se doooooor ka bhi waasta na ho.......inse poocha ke munkir e hadith ki definition kya hai to khamosh rahay koi jawab nahin aaya kyunke ye agar definition bata detay to inka poll khul jaata :d

Dear Day Light,

Let's come on the topic again:

Aap yeh kahtey hain keh MMA ya jamaat walooN ne yeh (jhoota) dawa kiya hai keh loogooN ko zabardesti marathon main laya giya...jabkeh haqeeqat main aisa nahi hoa , loog apni marzi se aaye ...now I ask you three questions:

1) Aap MMA/Jamaat ke kisi aik leader ki koi statment mujhey dikha daiN jis main yeh alfaz kahey gaye hooN...keh mardooN (males) ko zabardasti saRkooN per laya giya ...just give me a one statment ?

2) HaaN ager jamaat ke kisi leader ne yah kaha ho ke AoortooN (female) ko zabardesti laya giya hai...to maiN aap ko apney mushahidey se aik example de chuka hooN..jis se hakoomat ki intention wazeh toor per zahir hoti hai keh hakoomat khawateen to 'majbooran' marathon maiN lana chahti thi !! (meanwhile I accept that ke kuch khawateen apni marzi se aayi hooN,, but they are very few as compare to majority who don't want to paricipate)..

3) Kiya aik aisey mua'ashrey main jahaN ki aksariyat khawateen ko marathon maiN dooRaney ki haami na ho..aisi dooR ka mujaarad ehtmam kerna ya yeh 'ijazat' dena (hakoomat ki tarf se) keh jo (khatoon) apni marzi se dooRna chahey wo zaroor dooRey , aik mujrimana feal (act) nahi hai ?? kiya Islamic values aur islamic state ke nazriye ke khalaf nahi hai ? Muslim hukmran/hakoomat ki zimaNdari is ziman maiN kiya hai ?? (rookna ya sahoolat dena) !

aur kiya 'openly' aisi activity ki ijazat di ja sakti hai ? (wazeh rahey keh SAF games ya deegar games 'open' nahi hoti , balkeh wahaN ager mard aur cemramen aatey bhi haiN to passes ya permission le ker...with due restriction )

beghair kisi ilzam.trashi ya tassub ke, in sawalat ka to-the-point jawab chahiye..

(pichliy post maiN toheen-e-rasalat ke khlaf aap ya idara taloo-e-islam ki tarf se kisi ehtjaj na aaney ka ziker kiya tha..aap wo sawal hi 'gool' ker gaye)

Asslam o Alaikum: ye hui na baat, ab hum achhay tareekay se baat ker sakain gay...

Jahan tak marathon race ki baat hai to aapka kehna bilkul sahi hai ke ye hakumat ka intehayi fazool kaam tha,na to iski zaroorat thi aur na hi logon ko iski chah,
Hakumat ka ye kehna ke ye sehat ke liye bhi mufeed hai aik laa-yani baat thi, mein islam section mein aik topic mein iss marathon race ke khilaaf keh chuka tha kaafi pehlay hi ke ye islami mayaar to door hamaray aam maashrati iqdaar ke bhi khilaaf hai......

Ye sab sahi, mein bhi iss race ka haami nahin tha, mera aitraz sirf ye tha ke theek hai jamaat bhi ehtajaaj karay aur baki aam aadmi bhi karay laikin aik to wo ehtajaaj pur-aman hona chaahiye, shehri imlaak ko nuqsan nahin pouhanchana chaahiye aur doosray iss ikhtalaaf mein hadh se ziada nahin guzar jaana chaahiye aur aitdaal ka raasta nahin chhorna chaahiye,
Theek hai aap kahain ke ye hamari iqdaar ke khilaaf hai, laikin ye kehna ke khawateen ko zabardasti laaya gaya aik aisi baat hai jo achhay achhon ke halk se nahin utar sakti aur aisi hi baaton se iss ehtajaaj ki ehmiyyat kam hoti hai,phir jab qaum dekhti hai ke nicker shirt ka zoar o shor se kaha jaa rah ahai laikin shuraka mein koi pakistani khatoon nicker mein nahin to wo kehtay hain ke jamaat aisay hi ehtajaaj kerti hai,tab unki nazar se wo asal baat gayab ho jaati hai ke ye cheez hamaray maashray ke lehaaz se sahi nahin,
lehaza ehtajaaj ho, ikhtalaaf ho ya ittefaq ho ghaloo se parhaiz laazmi hota hai.....

Aapko laga ke zabardasti laaya gaya , ok, mujhe laga ke nahin zabardasti laaya gaya its also ok, hum different point of view rakh saktay hain, meine isko aur nazar se dekha aapne aur tarha se, aapka source of information aapko ye batata hai ke zabardasti hui aur mera source batata hai ke nahin hui zabardasti......thats simple, iss mein bhala jhagray waali kya baat hui.

Baaki jahan tak sawaal hai tauheen e Risalat par ehtajaaj record nahin kerwaya , to jahan tak tolu e islam ka talluk hai to wo aik mahnama hai yani maheenay ke baad shaya hota hai ,yakeenan next month uss mein aaye ga iss ke baaray mein kuch, wesay mein unki sargarmiyun se la-ilm hon aur na hi mein wo mahnama ab parhta hon, kabhi kabhi shaaz o naadar hi parhta hon, Haan meray paas aik purana rasala para hua hai jis mein aisay hi kisi wakaya par article hai mein wo dhoond ker scan ker ke yahan laga doon ga,
Jahan tak meri baat hai to mein isko wazeh condemn kerta hon, bhala koi musalmaan aisa ho sakta hai ke jissay iss par aitraaz nahin ho??? jiska dil na dukha ho??? Meine aik forum par ye topic bhi diya hai, Agar Hc par msg na dene ka matlab hai ke iss par aitraaz nahin to hc ke 30 thousand members mein se 3-4 ne hi post reply kya ho ga to iska ye matlab to nahin ke baki sab ko dukh nahin hai iss wakaya par.

W/Salam

Thanks for this nice reply..

Mohtram, yehi andaz, yehi alfaz (jhoot ki bajai 'ghaloo' etc.) aur yehi lab-o-lehja ager aap apni pehli post main istemal kartey to mujhey yaqeen hai keh baat na itni aagey baRhti aur na hi too.takaar ki noobat aati, bahrhaal dair... ..'drust' aayed ! Let's forget what happened.Umeed hai aayeNda aap isi 'ehtiyat' ko zaroor mad-e-nazar rakhaiN ge.

JahaN tek 'ghloo' ka ma'amla hai to arz karooN keh meri nazar se kam az kam kisi jamati leader ka koi aisa biyan nahi guzra , jis main 'zabardasti' wali baat ki gai ho...haaN ager aap ki nazar se guzra hai , to maiN deny nahi kerta laken aap ko us ka hawala (reference) dena zaroori tha...umeed hai , aaiNda zaroor quote kariN ge !

Wasey al-hamdulillah jaamt ke leaders apney biyanat main hat.ul.wasa kooshish kartey haiN keh koi 'jhoot' shamil na ho...aur ager na.danista shamil ho jai, to (tawjjuh dilaney per) wazhat datey haiN ya phir ma'azrat paish kertey haiN ...laken 'tawjjuh' ka aNdaz wohi hona chaiye jo ooper biyan kiyagiya hai (tanqeed brai tanqeed ka nahi)...jamaat main ehtsaab mojood hai...aur isi liye jamaat chal rahi hai , wrna jhoot per koi kab tek chal sakta hai !!!

Allah hum sab ko sach boolney aur sach per amal karney wala banye (ameen)