xoanon
May 30 2006, 06:25 PM
[color=#3366FF]Aslam-o-Alaikum Dear HC friends..
Aap log dekh rahe hoon gey ke kaafi dinoon se Geo TV wale aik preplanned way se logoon ko Hadood Ordinance ke khilaf uksa rahe hain. Bare bawasooq zaraye se pata chala hei ke Go waloon ko foreign NGOs ke taraf se aik heavy amount iss campaign ko persue karne ke liye mili hei. Hadood Ordinance ki mukhalifat ke zariye Pakistan main Islamic Principles aur Laws ko khatam karne ki sazish ki ja rahi hei. Aur woh bhi aik standardize tareeqe se..Logoon ko pehle mentaly prepare kya gya ke wo iss main interest lain aur phir aik full fledge kism ki campaigne launge kar di gy..Kya geo waloon ko aur koi kaam nahi hei aaj kal 
Main aap se yeh sab kichh share karna chahta tha ta ke aap logoon ke comments jan sakoon..lehaza iss topic par koi mawad ya material zaroor share karain..
Wish u all the best..[/color]
princess
Jun 1 2006, 01:01 AM
Wa'Alikum Aslaam
naam to suna huwa ha GO TV ka mager ma TV naheen dekhti is liay mujey is barey ma naheen pata 
Rustam
Jun 1 2006, 07:57 AM
QUOTE(xoanon @ May 30 2006, 06:25 PM) [snapback]2147951[/snapback]
[color=#3366FF]Aslam-o-Alaikum Dear HC friends..
Aap log dekh rahe hoon gey ke kaafi dinoon se Geo TV wale aik preplanned way se logoon ko Hadood Ordinance ke khilaf uksa rahe hain. Bare bawasooq zaraye se pata chala hei ke Go waloon ko foreign NGOs ke taraf se aik heavy amount iss campaign ko persue karne ke liye mili hei. Hadood Ordinance ki mukhalifat ke zariye Pakistan main Islamic Principles aur Laws ko khatam karne ki sazish ki ja rahi hei. Aur woh bhi aik standardize tareeqe se..Logoon ko pehle mentaly prepare kya gya ke wo iss main interest lain aur phir aik full fledge kism ki campaigne launge kar di gy..Kya geo waloon ko aur koi kaam nahi hei aaj kal
Main aap se yeh sab kichh share karna chahta tha ta ke aap logoon ke comments jan sakoon..lehaza iss topic par koi mawad ya material zaroor share karain..
Wish u all the best..[/color] Tum log bus Yahoodi or Qadiyani sazishoN k chakkar mein rehna,kabhi aqal sey kam na lena.Sub kuch suun kar bhi aqal nahinN aati.Iss law ki mukhalifat kerney waloN neu issey parha tak nahiN jesey mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman
Daylight
Jun 3 2006, 06:35 PM
Janab aaj tak hudood ordinance ke tehet kitnay logon ko saza mili ?? Aik ko bhi nahin wajah iss ordinance ki khaamiyan hain, agar taazeeri qawaneen na hon to ek mujrim ko bhi saza na mil sakay khaas taur pe zana aur rape ke muqadmaat mein.......
Geo ne qaum ko sochne pe majboor kya to aapko soch se itni allegy kyun bhala?? Sochna to achhi baat hai....Doosri baat ke wo iskay khilaaf compaign chala rahay hain to ye aapki saada loohi hai ya geo ke khilaaf nafrat kyunke geo ne iss topic par 2 program pesh kiye , aik mein ek aisay sahib ko bulaya gaya jo iss ordinance ki himayat kar rahay thay aur doosray mein iss ordinance ki mukhalfat kerne walay sahib ko...........iss mein propaganda kahan se aa gaya??
Kya aapko khud hudood ordinance ka pata hai ke ye kya hai?? kya aap isko islam ke mutabik samajhtay hain??
Rustam
Jun 6 2006, 07:52 AM
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jun 3 2006, 06:35 PM) [snapback]2148569[/snapback]
Janab aaj tak hudood ordinance ke tehet kitnay logon ko saza mili ?? Aik ko bhi nahin wajah iss ordinance ki khaamiyan hain, agar taazeeri qawaneen na hon to ek mujrim ko bhi saza na mil sakay khaas taur pe zana aur rape ke muqadmaat mein.......
Geo ne qaum ko sochne pe majboor kya to aapko soch se itni allegy kyun bhala?? Sochna to achhi baat hai....Doosri baat ke wo iskay khilaaf compaign chala rahay hain to ye aapki saada loohi hai ya geo ke khilaaf nafrat kyunke geo ne iss topic par 2 program pesh kiye , aik mein ek aisay sahib ko bulaya gaya jo iss ordinance ki himayat kar rahay thay aur doosray mein iss ordinance ki mukhalfat kerne walay sahib ko...........iss mein propaganda kahan se aa gaya??
Kya aapko khud hudood ordinance ka pata hai ke ye kya hai?? kya aap isko islam ke mutabik samajhtay hain??
"Marhaba moazzan, tu barwaqt bola
Teri awaz Makkey,Madeeney"
Dash|ng^^Pr|nc3^^
Jun 6 2006, 03:38 PM
it was nice to watch a prgm abt HUdood ordinance
topic starter...... har jagha paisay nahi diya jatay....... woh hudhoood ord say daykh kar hi baat kar rahay thay
i watched the progm whr Mr.Muneeb ur rehman confessed tht some of the punishment in hudood ord are not in line with islam....... like for Zina...... in ord it is written (as was shown in the progm) tht to shoot the person.. but a/c to islam the punishment is to hit tht person 100 times..
is this a/c to shariaa???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
xoanon
Jun 8 2006, 11:11 AM
QUOTE(Dash|ng^^Pr|nc3^^ @ Jun 6 2006, 03:38 PM) [snapback]2148984[/snapback]
it was nice to watch a prgm abt HUdood ordinance
topic starter...... har jagha paisay nahi diya jatay....... woh hudhoood ord say daykh kar hi baat kar rahay thay
i watched the progm whr Mr.Muneeb ur rehman confessed tht some of the punishment in hudood ord are not in line with islam....... like for Zina...... in ord it is written (as was shown in the progm) tht to shoot the person.. but a/c to islam the punishment is to hit tht person 100 times..
is this a/c to shariaa???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Main aap ki baat se agree karta hoon ke har jaga paise nahi diye jate..lakin agar aap past par nazar dalen gey to bari baten samajh ayein gy. mera maqsad geo ko bura kehna nahi tha. aur na he main iss baat par bazid hoon ke behtary na lai jaye..maqsad ye tha ke aap log kys sochte hain. aur jahan tak nation ko janjhorne ki baat hei woh aur bare hain..jis main sab se barh kar poverty ka masla hei..continuous rise in prices is the main problem..
Debate honi chahiye lakin iss tarha nahi ke islamic rules ko toor maroor kar paish kya jaye..behar haal main kisi se bhi ikhtelaf nahi karta har aik ko independent rai ka haq hei..aur issi liye main baat ki thi ke aap logoon ka view point jan sakoon..
Rustam
Jun 8 2006, 11:03 PM
Khoob kahi,kisi sey ikhtilaf bhi nahiN kerta huN or paisey lene ka ilzam bhi lagata huN !!! MUFTI Muneeb sahab ki sans ukhar gai thi,unhoN ney Hudood Ordinance parha hi nahiN or chaley us ki himayat kerney.Javed Ghamdi jesa vision hona chahiye.Mufti ko chand dekhney k liye bithaya tha,woh chaley leaderi kerney. 
LEADER
Jun 10 2006, 11:06 PM
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jun 3 2006, 01:35 PM) [snapback]2148569[/snapback]
Janab aaj tak hudood ordinance ke tehet kitnay logon ko saza mili ?? Aik ko bhi nahin wajah iss ordinance ki khaamiyan hain, agar taazeeri qawaneen na hon to ek mujrim ko bhi saza na mil sakay khaas taur pe zana aur rape ke muqadmaat mein.......
Geo ne qaum ko sochne pe majboor kya to aapko soch se itni allegy kyun bhala?? Sochna to achhi baat hai....Doosri baat ke wo iskay khilaaf compaign chala rahay hain to ye aapki saada loohi hai ya geo ke khilaaf nafrat kyunke geo ne iss topic par 2 program pesh kiye , aik mein ek aisay sahib ko bulaya gaya jo iss ordinance ki himayat kar rahay thay aur doosray mein iss ordinance ki mukhalfat kerne walay sahib ko...........iss mein propaganda kahan se aa gaya??
Kya aapko khud hudood ordinance ka pata hai ke ye kya hai?? kya aap isko islam ke mutabik samajhtay hain??
Rustam bhai Zra Soochiyeeeeeeeee:
Rustam
Jun 11 2006, 12:34 AM
Leader Bhaiya...Jasarat,Nawaiwaqt,Ummat waghera yeh sub organ heiN,mind-set log jin ka kam sirf or sirf propeganda hey.Daleel hei to medan mein aa kar muqabla kareiN.kyoN nahiN kertey??Qsam khuda ki jub tuk yeh pathar k zamaney k log Pakistan mein mojood hein,na to kam kareiN gaey na kerney dein gay.Hudood k khilaf koi bat nahiN ho rahee ,us ko jis tarahIslamuddin(Ziaulhaq)nay ordinance banaya hey woh ghalat hey,agar nahiN to aayiey medan meiN javab deejay.
LEADER
Jun 11 2006, 11:24 AM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 10 2006, 07:33 PM) [snapback]2149822[/snapback]
Leader Bhaiya...Jasarat,Nawaiwaqt,Ummat waghera yeh sub organ heiN,mind-set log jin ka kam sirf or sirf propeganda hey.Daleel hei to medan mein aa kar muqabla kareiN.kyoN nahiN kertey??Qsam khuda ki jub tuk yeh pathar k zamaney k log Pakistan mein mojood hein,na to kam kareiN gaey na kerney dein gay.Hudood k khilaf koi bat nahiN ho rahee ,us ko jis tarahIslamuddin(Ziaulhaq)nay ordinance banaya hey woh ghalat hey,agar nahiN to aayiey medan meiN javab deejay.
Janab Rustam sahb ....aap to waqai Rustam ban ker lalkarrahey haiN !
MaiN bhi 'medan' aa jaoN ga ,,, pahley zra 'Jasarat' ko to paRh lijye :(kisi siyaney ne kaha tha , yeh na dekho koun keh raha hai,, yeh dekho 'kiya' keh raha hai )
Hai koi JAWAB ?
xoanon
Jun 11 2006, 02:27 PM
Rustam Bhai har baat main apne aap ko he sacha nahi kehte balke facts aur figures ko dekhte hoye sachi baat ko maan lena chahiye.
Aap ne kaha nawai-e-waqt etc. propeganda karne wale aghbar hain..lakin main kehta hoon ke agar pakistan main koi akhbar haq ki baat karta hei to nawai-e-waqt hei..aur yeh baat har pakistani janta hei ke usko iss baat ki saza abhi tak mil rahi hei..Zara Sochiye plz..
Leader bhai aaj kal financial year ki closing hei iss liye main zara busy hoon..kindly rustam bhai ko satisfy kar dejiye ga..
Allah Hafiz
Rustam
Jun 12 2006, 07:38 AM
Aap log to itna naz kertey ho in mind-set akhbarat per lekin mujhey yeh qatai yak tarfa bat kertey lagtey hein.Sahafat esi honi chahiye jo safaid ko safaid or siyah ko siyah kahey.
Aap lgoN k molvi jinjeiN alif,bay ka bhi pata nahiN jub bahas kertet hein to hattiyar dal detey heiN.Raat dekh liya zara sochiye mein??Mufti ji ghabra gaye,aakhir man liya k haN Hudood ordinance meiN tarmeem honi chahiye,warna pehley to charagh pa ho rahey they,na ji na app hudood ordinance ko hath bhi nahiN laga saktey.
Vision hona chahiye Javed Ghamdi jesa,Molana malik jesa nahiN.Bat ko samajhtey hi nahiN sahi jawab kya deiNgey.Pathatr maghaz 
LEADER
Jun 12 2006, 09:10 AM
Rustam bhai,
Ghamdi sahb iss dour ke Imam Abu Haneefa ban.na chahtey haiN laken wo ban nahi skatey...kiouN keh Abu Haneefa ban.ney ke liye aik "Vision+inspiration+role model chaiye"...jo Ghamdi sahb ke paas nahi !! Mazeed wazaht ke liya yeh coloumn paRhiye..
MJB
Jun 12 2006, 02:33 PM
Leader Bhai
Shahnawaz Farooqi ne column main jin deegar ma'sail ki nishandahi ki hey,,,,,,,,,,
kya wo sab nahin jantey???,,,, un pe debates nahin hotin???,,,, kya unhain aaj tak media pe highlight nahin kya gya??????
aur agar iss waqt US paney agent Musharraf ke zariey yeah sab kuch kerwa raha hey,,,,,,,, tu US ko 25 saal baad khyal aya hey,,,,,,,,,,,, aap ne kaha ke doosrey leader bhi aye,,,,,,,, magar sab jantey hain ke aaj tak hamara 1 bhi hukmaran US ka koi hukum nahin taal saka,,,,,,,,,, Gen Zia ne bhi tak tak hakoomat ki jab tak sir tasleem-e-kham kye rakha,,,,,,,, koi baat pasand na aney pe US ne apney Gen samait Zia ko farigh kerwa diya
Rustam
Jun 13 2006, 08:08 AM
Javed Ghamdi Sahab ney to kabhi Imam Abu Hanifa banney ka dawa nahiN kiya.Asal mein aap log is qadar mindset ho k kisi esi bat ko jo mojooda waqt k mutabiq zaroori ho qabool ker ney ko tayyar hi nahin.Khof aata hey.Ghamdi Sahab ka vision ijtihadi hey,MUFTI Muneeb ki tarah nahiN jo chand dekhney k liye comuter ko nahiN manta,shakhsi gawahi zaroori manta hey,
"Jasarat" ko woh ladies nazar nahiN aatiN jo iss zalimana ordinance ki wajha sey kai kai saloN sey jail k andar bund heiN.
Or aap dekhtey ho k TV per hudood Ordinance k haq mein bolney waloN k pss na to soch hey na koi daleel,jese Molana Malik
LEADER
Jun 13 2006, 12:37 PM
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Rustam
Jun 14 2006, 12:55 PM
Bat yeh hey Leader Bhaiya ! jis k hath sey havey mandey chin janey ka khtra ho woh to essey hi shor kareiN gay,Lekin ek bat bata dun,Pakistan ki baqa hey to sirf or sirf seculer state manney mein,warna yahan kabhi bhi qanoon ki hukumrani nahiN ho sakti.60 sal zaya ker diye 60 or ho jayeN gay,lekin burbadi ksiwa or kya hoga?Sahir ludhyanvi nay bilkul sahi kaha thRaat bhar ka hey mehmaN adhera
Kis k rokey ruka hey sawera 
LEADER
Jun 14 2006, 07:42 PM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 14 2006, 07:55 AM) [snapback]2150713[/snapback]
Bat yeh hey Leader Bhaiya ! jis k hath sey havey mandey chin janey ka khtra ho woh to essey hi shor kareiN gay,Lekin ek bat bata dun,Pakistan ki baqa hey to sirf or sirf seculer state manney mein,warna yahan kabhi bhi qanoon ki hukumrani nahiN ho sakti.60 sal zaya ker diye 60 or ho jayeN gay,lekin burbadi ksiwa or kya hoga?Sahir ludhyanvi nay bilkul sahi kaha thRaat bhar ka hey mehmaN adhera
Kis k rokey ruka hey sawera Yeh hoi na baat...ab billi thaley se bahir aaye hai...
Hum kahtey hain kah rooshni Islam main hai..... aur baqi sab 'tareeki' hai !
Aap kahtey haiN keh nahi rooshni 'secularism' (la deeniyat) main hai ...Islam main nahi
Bas yehi humara asal ikhtlaf hai ....Hadood Ordinance per bhi ikhtalaf ki asal wjha yehi hai
LEADER
Jun 14 2006, 08:08 PM
MJB
Jun 14 2006, 09:35 PM
Leader bhai
aap bhi naak ki seedh main hi bhagey ja rahey hain,,, koi khud se logical baat karain
Daylight
Jun 15 2006, 02:43 AM
Leader bhai ne "Shahnawaz Farooqi" sahib ke jo pe dar pe mazameen yahan post kiye hain unko dekh kar aik hi baat kahi jaa sakti hai
Astaghfirullah.......
Shahnawaz farooqi ki to chalo majboori hai wo aisa na likhay to usko roti kahan se milay ?? Hairat Leader sahib pe hai jinhon ne shaaid parhay bagher hi ye post ker di hai......
Lets see........Shahnawaz farooqi has written in the second article leader has posted,
Hudood ordinance mein jo hissa Allah aur Rasool(PBUH) ke qanoon se nahin liya gaya aur "insani saakhta" hai uskay mutallik ye irshad hota hai ke
"Imam Jafar ka qaul hai ke jisne ilhaam ke bagher Quran mein qaul kya wo raanda e dargah hua"
"Hudood ordinance ka insani saakhta hissa aima e arba (yani 4 fiqhi imams) mein se kisi ki tabeer ke mutabik hai to usko insani sakhta kehne waalay juhl e murakkab ke mein mubtala hain"
In short, irshad farmaya gaya hai ke chaaron fiqhi imams ne apni rai se koi fatwa nahin diya balkeh ye Allah ne bataour ilhaam unn par naazil kya ke falan falan fatwa do.........Astaghfirullah
Hamara maan-na hai ke Wahi ka silsila khatam ho chuka Rasool(PBUH) par, pehlay sufia ne kaha ke hum par bhi ALlah ke paighaam naazil hotay hain, usko wahi na keh sakay ke qaum bigar jaati , uska naam rakha ilham, jabke uss ilham aur wahi mein sirf naam ka farq hai, dono ka atlab yahi hai ke Allah ki taraf se barah e raast ahkaam ka aana..........Ussi ko base bana ke Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani ne ilhaam ka dawa kya, koi jhutlata to wo kehta ke dekho falan falan sufi ne bhi aisa kaha hai to unko ilhaam ho sakta hai to mujhe kyun nahin.........Aur yun jhooti nabuwwat ki bunniyad rakhi........
Leader aur shahnawaz farooqi ka bayaan hai ke chaaron fiqhi imams ne apni taraf se koi fatwa nahin diya balkeh ye Allah ne unn par wahi ya ilhaam kya tha uskay mutaabik unhon ne faisla sunaya.....
Ab koi poochne waala pooch sakta hai ke jab ye fatway insaani saakhta nahin balkeh Allah ke bataye huway thay to chaaron imams ke fatwon mein ikhtalaf kyun hota hai??? Allah ka farmaan to hai ke Allah ke qalaam mein kabhi ikhtalaf nahin ho sakta...........
Afsoas ka muqaam hai ke logon ne kayi khuda bana rakhay hain.........Wo insaano ki kahi hui baaton ko bhi Allah ki kahi hui baatein kehtay hain, tab hi to shahnawaz farooqi aur leader ka dawa hai ke iss qanoon mein insaani saakhta hissaa koi nahin imams ki rai bhi Allah ke hukam ke mutabik naazil hoti thi.......Astaghfirullah........
Phir bhi ye muslim hain aur phir bhi khatm e nabuwwat par eeman ki baat kertay hain.......INsaano ke fatwon ko Allah ka hukam batanay waalay qayamat ke din kya moonh le kar jaain gay?? Aur ye sirf iss liye hai ke mauqa aanay par apnay "ulama" ke fatwon ko bhi Allah ke ahkaam keh kar paapaiyat qaim ki jaaye..........
Daylight
Jun 15 2006, 03:07 AM
Jasarat Akhbar MMA ka hai..........
[b]Ab zara mulahiza ho inkay irshadaat........in ka kehna hai ke mulk mein aur bhi bouhat ziada qawaneen aisay hain jo mazloom ke khilaaf hain jesay dafa 144 ki misala di hai .........to un par kyun baat nahin ki jaati,
MASHALLAH....
Janab ko farq hi nahin maloom.......aik cheez agar aam qanoon hai aur zulm par mabni hai to iss se islam par koi harf nahin aata......lekin agar aik qanoon islami keh kar naafiz kya jaata hai lekin wo mazloom ke khilaaf hai aur asal mein islami nahin hai to uss se islam par harf aata hai aur islam badnaam hota hai........Jin logon mein itni samajh bhi na ho unko jasarat waalay kesay articles likhne pe laga detay hain???
Shahnawaz Farooqi sahib ka kehna hai ke sood bhi ghair islami hai iss par kyun baat nahin ki jaati .........Lolz........Yani hathora garam lohay par laga hai issi liye idher udhar kei baatein laayi jaa rahi hain 
Janab jab dono maslay ghair islami hain to aik maslay par baat kerne se aap ko itni takleef kyun ho rahi hai??
Wesay aapki ittela ke liye bata doon ke sood ki aik kisam jageerdari nizam bhi hai, yani ke zameen ko bitayi par de dena aur bethay bithaye fasal mein se apna hissa batorna, isko Rasool(PBUH) ne wazeh taur pe haram qarar diya kayi ahadith mein lekin hamaray mulla ne iss sood ko halal qarar diya hai aur iss par kayi kitabein likhi hain kyunke bouhat se "baray mulla" khud yahi kuch kertay hain..........hamaray mulla ke nazdeek to shaaid sirf banks ka interest hi sood hai jabke Rasool(PBUH) ke zamanay mein to banks hotay hi na thay Mulla aaj tak khud to islami maashi nizam pesh na kar saka aur hakumat par aitraaz hai......
Ye bhi yaad rahay ke inkay maulana maudodi sahib ka farmaan tha ke "Fiqh hanfi munjamad shaastar hai".......AB agar fiqh hanfi ilhaam yani ke ALlah ke ahkamaat par mabni hai to Allah ke ahkaam ko munjamad shaastar kehne waalay maudodi sahib aur fiqh ko na maan-ne waalay ehle hadith hazraat to kaafir huway na Wah ji wah kya nazarriyat hain jasarat waalon ke.......Aisi jasarat to jasarat waalay hi ker saktay hain hum kahan iss qaabil Phir jasarat waalon ka farmaan hai ke bhook, pani,safayi aur sehat waghera ke dhairon masaail hain inn par koi baat kyun nahin kerta ??
Wah ji wah, aur ye uss MMA ke himayati keh rahay hain jinkay mutabik poori duniya mein "Musharraf ki wardi" ke siva aur koi masla hi nazar nahin aata......Wardi ke khilaaf million march kerne waalon se koi poochay ke faisalabad mein 15 bachay alooda pani peenay se marr gaye, hazraon bemaar huway unho ne konsi million march ki?? konsa ehtajaaj kya????
Lekin apne daaman mein lagay daagh khud ko nazar aanay lagain to aur duniya na badal jaaye
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Daylight
Jun 15 2006, 03:44 AM
Rustam
Jun 15 2006, 02:59 PM
Leader Bhaiya,aap ghalat samjh rahey ho.Mein kehta hun Islam sarapa noor hey.mukamal zabtaye hayat hey....or Islam hi asal roshni hey.Mein to itna kehna chahta hun k Pakistan mein,munntashir muashrey mein in molvion k ikhtilafat dekh ker dil khoon kaansoo rota hey,lihaza mulk chalaney k lye muzhab(Deen)ka nifaz mazeed anarki laye ga.Siyasi nizam k tehat state ka koi taaluq kisi k aqaid,muslak waghera sey na ho,jis ki jo marzi aaye maslak ikhtiyar kerey.
Mein ney kab kaha secularism roshni hey,lekin aaj bhi mein kehta hun k Pakistan ko mazeed intishar sey bachaney k liye iss ko seculer state qarar dey diya jaye.Islam,Islam k chakkar mein hum kuch bhi nahiN kersakey. 
LEADER
Jun 16 2006, 05:05 PM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 15 2006, 09:59 AM) [snapback]2150985[/snapback]
Leader Bhaiya,aap ghalat samjh rahey ho.Mein kehta hun Islam sarapa noor hey.mukamal zabtaye hayat hey....or Islam hi asal roshni hey.Mein to itna kehna chahta hun k Pakistan mein,munntashir muashrey mein in molvion k ikhtilafat dekh ker dil khoon kaansoo rota hey,lihaza mulk chalaney k lye muzhab(Deen)ka nifaz mazeed anarki laye ga.Siyasi nizam k tehat state ka koi taaluq kisi k aqaid,muslak waghera sey na ho,jis ki jo marzi aaye maslak ikhtiyar kerey.
Mein ney kab kaha secularism roshni hey,lekin aaj bhi mein kehta hun k Pakistan ko mazeed intishar sey bachaney k liye iss ko seculer state qarar dey diya jaye.Islam,Islam k chakkar mein hum kuch bhi nahiN kersakey.
Rustam bhai, humara topic 'Hadood' Ordinence' aur us ke khalf GEO ka propaganda hai....ager mujhey topic se hatney ka dar na ho to maiN aap ko tafseelan bta skata hooN keh ... Pakistan ko secular state decalre kerney se kabhi yahaN keh mas'ail khatam nahi ho saktey...Ager aisa hota aaj Secular TURKEY duniya ka khush.haa tareen mulk hota,, Aaj secular Egypt duniya ko lead ker raha hota...aur jin mulkooN ne tarrqi ki un ki tarraqqi ki wjha bhi 'secularism' har.gaz nahi ....ager yeh baat hoti to phir secular India bhi Europe aur Amreeca ki trah 'developed' mulk hota...
Marey bhooley bhai,, Masa'ail aor problems ki asal wajha humry mua'ashrey maiN 'Adal-o-Insaf' ka na hona hai...hazrat Ali ne kaha tha keh koi bhi mua'shrah "kufar" per qaim reh sakta hai laken "be-insafi" per kabhi qaim nahi reh sakta...aur Islam se baRh ker INSAF koun de skata hai ?????? Islam ki sab se baRi khoobi hi 'justice' hai !....aur aisa hoa jab Islam anpi asal shakal main mojood tha..tareekh iski gawah hai ...
Hodood Ordinence main kuch khamiyaN ho sakti haiN...jin ko door kiya ja sakta hai...laken Haddod Ordinence ko kabhi khatam nahi hona chaiye ...Hodood ka nizam , mua'ashrey maiN Insaf qaim kerney ke liye hai...is ke liye Police ko theek kerney ki zaroorat hai...kioun keh asal kharabi Hudood Ordinenece main nahi..Police aur Adaalti nizam main hai (jo implement ker raha hai)...aur mu'ashrey maiN ZULM bhi ke zima.dar bhi yehi do adaarey haiN..(teesra adaara fouji gernail naiN) ....kiya aap meri is baat se ittefaq kariN ge ??
Humkahtey haiN ke Hudood Ordinence main tabdeeli kerni hai to Bismillah , laken us ka 'Media Trail' kerney ki kiya zarrot hai ?? ...is ke peechey kiya azaaim haiN ??? koun loog haiN ?? yeh sawalaat bhi bohat ham haiN...ager Hodood Ordinance main tabdeeli chatey haiN...to POLICE aur JUDICIARY to bhi badlan paRey ga...sirf Huddood Ordinence ko badlney se kaam nahi chaley ga 
Note: Aap ki tamaam baatooN ka 'jawab' aap ko miley ga...zra 'sabar' kerna paRey ga ..
LEADER
Jun 16 2006, 06:50 PM
QUOTE(MJB @ Jun 14 2006, 04:34 PM) [snapback]2150867[/snapback]
Leader bhai
aap bhi naak ki seedh main hi bhagey ja rahey hain,,,
Seedh maiN is liye bhaga ja raha hooN ,,,keh maiN 'Sarat-e-Mustaqeem' per chlana behta samjhta hooN..kuch samjhey ke nahi samjhey !
Loo aik aur coloumn (Jasarat ka): 
MJB
Jun 16 2006, 07:16 PM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 15 2006, 11:59 AM) [snapback]2150985[/snapback]
Leader Bhaiya,aap ghalat samjh rahey ho.Mein kehta hun Islam sarapa noor hey.mukamal zabtaye hayat hey....or Islam hi asal roshni hey.Mein to itna kehna chahta hun k Pakistan mein,munntashir muashrey mein in molvion k ikhtilafat dekh ker dil khoon kaansoo rota hey,lihaza mulk chalaney k lye muzhab(Deen)ka nifaz mazeed anarki laye ga.Siyasi nizam k tehat state ka koi taaluq kisi k aqaid,muslak waghera sey na ho,jis ki jo marzi aaye maslak ikhtiyar kerey.
Mein ney kab kaha secularism roshni hey,lekin aaj bhi mein kehta hun k Pakistan ko mazeed intishar sey bachaney k liye iss ko seculer state qarar dey diya jaye.Islam,Islam k chakkar mein hum kuch bhi nahiN kersakey. Pakistan ko secular state declare kerney se Pakistan ka wajood hi bey-mainee ho jay ga,,,,,,,,, kion ke iski bunyaad islam thi
QUOTE(LEADER @ Jun 16 2006, 03:49 PM) [snapback]2151296[/snapback]
Seedh maiN is liye bhaga ja raha hooN ,,,keh maiN 'Sarat-e-Mustaqeem' per chlana behta samjhta hooN..kuch samjhey ke nahi samjhey !
Loo aik aur coloumn (Jasarat ka):
1 aur column dikhaney ki bajaye kuch seedhey sadhey se sawalaat kiye they,,,,,,,,,, issi sarat-emustaqeem pe chaltey chaltey unke jawabaat bhi inayaat ker di jiye ,,,,,,,
Daylight
Jun 16 2006, 09:33 PM
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(aap ko Jasarat se 'chiR' hai , is liye Nawa-e-Waqt le ker aaya hooN...he he
Mujhe jasarat se nahin uss ein kahi gayi baaton se ikhtalaf hai wohi baatein agar jang mein ya nawai waqt mein chhup jaain to valid nahin bun jaain gi, itni si baat to aam samajh ke aadmi ko bhi pata hai
Kaha jaa raha hai ke America funds de raha hai :d
Bouhat mazay ki baat hai , America ko iss ordinance se kya khatra ??? Kya iss ordinance ke tehet aaj tak kabhi bhi kisi zaani ko saza di gayi?????????? Agar nahin to iss ordinance se maghrib ya americans ko kya khatra ya darr?? Iss mein fahahshi ka sailaab kahan se aa gaya jab iss ordinance ke tehet zaaniyun ko aaj tak saza nahin mil saki........
Aisay ordinance ko to naafiz kerne ke liye americans ko paisay denay chaahiye :d
Agar aap sachay ho to dikha do aik bhi case jis mein iss ordinance ke tehet zaani ko saza mili ho, jabke main aapko dikha doon ga ke taazeer ke zarriye kitnay ziada zaaniyun ko saza mili.......
Mulla ko takleef hi iss baat se ho rahi hai ke uski paapaiyat ko challenge kyun kiya gaya hai ...... Mulla to islam mein sochne ko haram qarar deta hai to logon ko sochne ka kyun kaha jaa raha hai.........Kyunke jis din logon ne sochna shuru ker diya mulla ki chhuti ho jaaye gi.........
Rustam
Jun 17 2006, 12:15 AM
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Mulla ko takleef hi iss baat se ho rahi hai ke uski paapaiyat ko challenge kyun kiya gaya hai ...... Mulla to islam mein sochne ko haram qarar deta hai to logon ko sochne ka kyun kaha jaa raha hai.........Kyunke jis din logon ne sochna shuru ker diya mulla ki chhuti ho jaaye gi.........
Yeh hey sachi or khari bat:
Jazak Allah
LEADER
Jun 17 2006, 09:29 AM
[quote name='LEADER' date='Jun 16 2006, 12:17 PM' post='2151272']
[/DAY LIGHT sahb ki khidmat maiN :DAY Liight ji, is column maiN kuch sawal kiye gaye they...un ka jawab to diya nahi....aur naye sawal ker diye....pahley in ka Jawab to daiN....yeh coloumn do.bara aap ki khidmat main paish ker raha hooN...
JahaN tek Zani per Had na jari honey ka sawal hai...to main is per tahqeeq karoon ga...laken shaid aap ko maloom nahi (ya hai aur anjaan ban rahey hain) keh tazeer ke tehat saza bhi isi Hauddod Ordinence ka hissa hai...jo 25 saal qaid bhi ho sakti hai...aur asiey kai mujrim haiN jin is ordinence ke tehat tazeer ki saza mili hai !! LolzzzzzzzQUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 16 2006, 07:14 PM) [snapback]2151359[/snapback]
Yeh hey sachi or khari bat:
Jazak Allah
Jab kisi baat ka 'jawab' na aaye to phir yehi hota hai,...Rustam bhai
poocha tha keh ager 'secular' state ban.na hi "Rah-e-Najaat" hai , to phir aaj tek Turkey , Egypt etc. kiouN taraqqi ke samraat se mahroom haiN ..? wahaN doodh ki nahraiN kiouN nahi beh rahi ...laken jawab aayeN, bayeeN aur shayeeN ! 
Rustam
Jun 17 2006, 02:06 PM
QUOTE(LEADER @ Jun 17 2006, 09:29 AM) [snapback]2151394[/snapback]
Jab kisi baat ka 'jawab' na aaye to phir yehi hota hai,...Rustam bhai
poocha tha keh ager 'secular' state ban.na hi "Rah-e-Najaat" hai , to phir aaj tek Turkey , Egypt etc. kiouN taraqqi ke samraat se mahroom haiN ..? wahaN doodh ki nahraiN kiouN nahi beh rahi ...laken jawab aayeN, bayeeN aur shayeeN ! KahiN bhi itni be-sakooni or intishar nahiN hey jitna Pakistan mein hey.Jitney Islami mumalik hein kahin kahiN hudood ordinance jesa khanoon nafiz nahiN.YahaN bhi sirf iss liye molvi hangama ker rahey hein kyoN k ZiaulHaq(Islamuddin) ney in ko bila wajah itni ehmiyat dey di.
Wese leader bhaiya kuch apni aqal bhi istamal ker liya karo,yeh kya post office khol rakha hey?idhar ka udher chap diya udher ka idher.Yeh koorh maghazonN ki tehreereN paRna chor do,yeh kolhoo k bell heiN Or tangey mein lga ghora,jis ki aankhoN per chamRa laga detey heiN k kisi or taraf na dekhsakey warna bidak jaye ga.
Wese aap ki ittala k liye Hudood ordinance ko court meiN challenge ker diya gaya heyi in likhney waloN sey kehna jao or ja ker bachao iss ko jis per seNk seNk ker tum rotiyaN khatey rahey ho.Hum to jeeteN ...jeeteN 
LEADER
Jun 17 2006, 05:30 PM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 17 2006, 09:05 AM) [snapback]2151411[/snapback]
KahiN bhi itni be-sakooni or intishar nahiN hey jitna Pakistan mein hey.Jitney Islami mumalik hein kahin kahiN hudood ordinance jesa khanoon nafiz nahiN.YahaN bhi sirf iss liye molvi hangama ker rahey hein kyoN k ZiaulHaq(Islamuddin) ney in ko bila wajah itni ehmiyat dey di.
MaiN na manooooooooN wali baat...
ChalaiN ab apni 'aqal' istemal ker ke aap chaNd sawal kerta hooN:
1) Aap ne fermaya ke kahiN bhi itni be.sakooni nahi, jitni Pakistan main hai..theek hai. To Kiya Baloochistan maiN jo be.sakooni pai jati hai , us ki wajha so called 'molvi' haiN ..(ya koi aur) ??
2) Mulk main jo mehNgai baRh rahi hai us ki wajha bhi aap ki nazar maiN sirf 'molvi" haiN ?
3) Pani aur health ke jo masail haiN , wo in rooshan tareen 7 saloon main kiouN hal nahi hoey ? molviouN ne rooka tha ?
4) Soobey (provinces) jo aik doosrey se laR rahey haiN, to kiya unhain molvi laRa rahey haiN ??
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5) Aaj bhi jab NWFP main koi election hota hai..to MMA seats le jati haiN , is ki kiya wajha hai ?
6) Egypt maiN abhi kuch mahney pahley election hoey to 'molvi' achi khasi seats le gai...kiouN ?
7) Recently 'Palistaine' maiN wahaN ke 'MOLVI" 70 % Vote le ker kamyab hoey...wajha ?
8) Ab bhi aap SECULAR Turkey maiN 'fair' elections kara laiN...wahaN bhi 'molvi' hi jeetaiN ge...
Ager so called MOLVI itney hi kharab haiN , to yeh har jagha kion agey baRh rahey haiN, vote kioN le rahey haiN ???????????????????
HAI KOI JAWAB ?... ya phir aayaN , bayaN , aur shaiN !
Daylight
Jun 18 2006, 04:49 AM
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DAY Liight ji, is column maiN kuch sawal kiye gaye they...un ka jawab to diya nahi....aur naye sawal ker diye....pahley in ka Jawab to daiN....yeh coloumn do.bara aap ki khidmat main paish ker raha hooN...
Leader bhai jaan aap ke iss column se pehlay hi main aap se sawal kar chuka tha jo aaj bhi issi page par majood hain, aur unhi mein inn sab baaton ka hawala bhi aa chuka hai........ghaour kijiye ke sawal pehlay kisne kiye aur jawab kisne na diye QUOTE
laken shaid aap ko maloom nahi (ya hai aur anjaan ban rahey hain) keh tazeer ke tehat saza bhi isi Hauddod Ordinence ka hissa hai...jo 25 saal qaid bhi ho sakti hai...aur asiey kai mujrim haiN jin is ordinence ke tehat tazeer ki saza mili hai !! Lolzzzzzzz
:d :D :D ye ordinance zia ul haq ne naafiz kya tha to kya uss se pehlay aapkay khayal mein zana ki saza ke baaray mein koi taazeeri qanoon nahin tha :d :D
wohi taazeeri qanoon hi aaj zaaniyun ko saza dene mein madad ker raha hai......sirf iss liye ke islami hudood ko sahi andaaz se naafiz nahin kya gaya aur ghalat ordinance banaya hudood ke hawalay se.
Rustam
Jun 18 2006, 02:02 PM
QUOTE(LEADER @ Jun 17 2006, 05:29 PM) [snapback]2151509[/snapback]
MaiN na manooooooooN wali baat...
ChalaiN ab apni 'aqal' istemal ker ke aap chaNd sawal kerta hooN:
1) Aap ne fermaya ke kahiN bhi itni be.sakooni nahi, jitni Pakistan main hai..theek hai. To Kiya Baloochistan maiN jo be.sakooni pai jati hai , us ki wajha so called 'molvi' haiN ..(ya koi aur) ??
2) Mulk main jo mehNgai baRh rahi hai us ki wajha bhi aap ki nazar maiN sirf 'molvi" haiN ?
3) Pani aur health ke jo masail haiN , wo in rooshan tareen 7 saloon main kiouN hal nahi hoey ? molviouN ne rooka tha ?
4) Soobey (provinces) jo aik doosrey se laR rahey haiN, to kiya unhain molvi laRa rahey haiN ??
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5) Aaj bhi jab NWFP main koi election hota hai..to MMA seats le jati haiN , is ki kiya wajha hai ?
6) Egypt maiN abhi kuch mahney pahley election hoey to 'molvi' achi khasi seats le gai...kiouN ?
7) Recently 'Palistaine' maiN wahaN ke 'MOLVI" 70 % Vote le ker kamyab hoey...wajha ?
8) Ab bhi aap SECULAR Turkey maiN 'fair' elections kara laiN...wahaN bhi 'molvi' hi jeetaiN ge...
Ager so called MOLVI itney hi kharab haiN , to yeh har jagha kion agey baRh rahey haiN, vote kioN le rahey haiN ???????????????????
HAI KOI JAWAB ?... ya phir aayaN , bayaN , aur shaiN !
Woh to aap ney khud hi kaha tha k topic Hudood ordinance hey or hum out of track ja rahey hein.
Mohtram,marooN ghutna phootey Aankkh wali bat hey,ub aap kaho gey k Heoshima....Naga saki per Atom bomb kiya molvion ney giray...to yeh hey bey tuki bat.India ki misal aap k samney hey,woh to kub ka muntashir ho chuka hota agar secularism na apnata.Yeh nahiN k wahan per intaha pusandi khatam ho gai magar itna bara mulk,50 sey ziyda zabanein,ilaqay ilaqey ka culture alag...hud yeh k kahiN Ram ki pooja hoti hey to kahiN Rawan ki magar kabhi kisi jamat ney yeh nahIn kaha k Hinduta qayam karo...hud to yeh k BJP jesi intaha pusand jamat bhi power mein aaney k bad national level per sochti hey.YahaN to mulla party jin ko un k mehalley k bahar koi janta bhi nahiN moonH phaR ker ker nara lagatey hein k Pakistan ko SUNNI state qarar diya jaye.Kabhi kehtey heiN nizame Mustufa nafiz kia jaye,yeh alag bat k Mustufa ney koi nizam diya hi nahiN,magar in ko dhanda mil gaya roti kamaney ka.
AAp ko kiya maloom k MMA NWFP sey aaye gi?Pehley kyoN nahiN aati thi?Or agar ub aai hey to kiya ker liya?Billions ley ker senate meiN vote bech diye.
Bat kahaN sey kahaN chali gai,mein yeh keh raha tha k huood ordinance ko molvi ney paRha bhi nahiN or laga us ki himayat kerney,dekh liya hoga MUFTI Muneeb ko....Geo per.Aaj waqt nahiN zara kam hey baqi kal ...bye..bye
LEADER
Jun 18 2006, 09:49 PM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 18 2006, 09:02 AM) [snapback]2151751[/snapback]
AAp ko kiya maloom k MMA NWFP sey aaye gi?Pehley kyoN nahiN aati thi?Or agar ub aai hey to kiya ker liya?Billions ley ker senate meiN vote bech diye.
Bhai jan, thoRa sa waqt nikal ker isey paRh zaroor lijye ga...I'm also busy , see u tomorrow.
Jin loogooN ne aap ke baqool 'billions' le ker vote bachey...kiya un ke anjam se bhi waqif haiN ??
PPP ke sabiq wazeer-e-qanoon Iftakhar Geelani ne GEO per aa ker kaha tha, keh yeh wahid hakoomat jis ne currption main mulawwis apney memebers ke khilaf action liya, warna PPP ko aaj tek toufeeq nahi hoi.
http://jang.com.pk/jang/jun2006-daily/18-0...awar/index.htmlL
et's come to the topic agaian..
MJB
Jun 19 2006, 02:56 PM
QUOTE(LEADER @ Jun 17 2006, 02:29 PM) [snapback]2151509[/snapback]
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5) Aaj bhi jab NWFP main koi election hota hai..to MMA seats le jati haiN , is ki kiya wajha hai ?
kya iska matlab yeah bhi liya ja sakta hey ke Musharraf poori naik-niyati se hakoomat kar raha hey aur elections main apni marzi ke nataij hasil nahin ker raha ???
Rustam
Jun 19 2006, 03:04 PM
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kya iska matlab yeah bhi liya ja sakta hey ke Musharraf poori naik-niyati se hakoomat kar raha hey aur elections main apni marzi ke nataij hasil nahin ker raha ???
Musharaf ney kitab per vote nahiN liye or na woh Islam ka thkedar banta hey 
MJB
Jun 19 2006, 04:37 PM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 19 2006, 12:04 PM) [snapback]2152036[/snapback]
Musharaf ney kitab per vote nahiN liye or na woh Islam ka thkedar banta hey main yeah baat ker raha hoon ke iss point ke mutabiq tu Pakistan main true democracy hey aur sabiqa elections munsifana hue they ???
LEADER
Jun 20 2006, 10:09 AM
QUOTE(Rustam @ Jun 19 2006, 10:04 AM) [snapback]2152036[/snapback]
Musharaf ney kitab per vote nahiN liye or na woh Islam ka thkedar banta hey Bhai Rustam , Musharraf ko itna ma'asoom na banaooooo, woh ager 'Islam' se jaan ChuRana chahta hai to kisi ko to Islam ka takey.dar ban.na hi paRey ga na...!
Wasey MMA waley kahtey haiN keh hum Islam ke 'Thakey.dar' nahi 'Choki.dar' hain...kiya samjhey? 
QUOTE(MJB @ Jun 19 2006, 11:37 AM) [snapback]2152072[/snapback]
main yeah baat ker raha hoon ke iss point ke mutabiq tu Pakistan main true democracy hey aur sabiqa elections munsifana hue they ???
...bas yeh samjh loo keh NWFP ke har zimni election maiN MMA ko itni baRi tedaad main Vote miley... keh wahaN Mush ki dhaNdli fail ho gai ...wo kuch nahi ker ska !
Warna woh to dhaNdli ka mahir hai...us ne apney liye jo fake referendum karaya tha aur phir last year jo local bodies ke election hoey they ..us maiN dhaNdli ki tareekh rakqam ki gai thi...ager Rustam bhai ne aaNkhooN per patiyaN baNdh rakhi hooN , to main kiya karooN ...?
MJB
Jun 20 2006, 01:19 PM
QUOTE(LEADER @ Jun 20 2006, 07:08 AM) [snapback]2152243[/snapback]
...bas yeh samjh loo keh NWFP ke har zimni election maiN MMA ko itni baRi tedaad main Vote miley... keh wahaN Mush ki dhaNdli fail ho gai ...wo kuch nahi ker ska !
Warna woh to dhaNdli ka mahir hai...us ne apney liye jo fake referendum karaya tha aur phir last year jo local bodies ke election hoey they ..us maiN dhaNdli ki tareekh rakqam ki gai thi...ager Rustam bhai ne aaNkhooN per patiyaN baNdh rakhi hooN , to main kiya karooN ...?
Bhai Leader ,,, koi munasib jawab dain,,,,,,,,, itney langrey looley jawab pe tu hansi bhi nahin aaa rahi
yeah yaad rahey ke zimni elections national elections ke baad hotey hain,,,,,,, aur sarey elections Musharraf ke dor-e-hakoomat main hue hain,,,,,, aur zimni elections ke waqt PML(Q) ki govt bhi mojood thi
LEADER
Jun 21 2006, 12:19 AM
QUOTE(MJB @ Jun 20 2006, 08:18 AM) [snapback]2152267[/snapback]
Bhai Leader ,,, koi munasib jawab dain,,,,,,,,, itney langrey looley jawab pe tu hansi bhi nahin aaa rahi
yeah yaad rahey ke zimni elections national elections ke baad hotey hain,,,,,,, aur sarey elections Musharraf ke dor-e-hakoomat main hue hain,,,,,, aur zimni elections ke waqt PML(Q) ki govt bhi mojood thi
Bhai, humara topic 'Hudood Ordinence' hai,,,,,,,jaldi se asal topic per wapis aa jao.... nahiN to such much ke 'laNgRey aur LooLey' jawab sun.ney paRaiN ge.........ha ha haNote: Geeral elections main koi bhi hakoomat aik had tek hi dhaNdli ker skati hai, us se ziyada nahi...jabkeh local bodies , senate ya refrundum waghaira main khuli chtti hoti hai...!! yeh fact hai aap isey challenge nahi ker saktey , OK.
LEADER
Jun 21 2006, 12:31 AM
QUOTE(Daylight @ Jun 17 2006, 11:48 PM) [snapback]2151661[/snapback]
Leader bhai jaan aap ke iss column se pehlay hi main aap se sawal kar chuka tha jo aaj bhi issi page par majood hain, aur unhi mein inn sab baaton ka hawala bhi aa chuka hai........ghaour kijiye ke sawal pehlay kisne kiye aur jawab kisne na diye I think you are right , Day Light . Phley sawal aap ne kiye they, mujh per un ka jawab udhar hai..maiN jawab dena bhi chahta hoon , laken waqt mohlat nahi de raha...inshallah zaroor doon ga..jasey hi waqt miley ga.QUOTE
ye ordinance zia ul haq ne naafiz kya tha to kya uss se pehlay aapkay khayal mein zana ki saza ke baaray mein koi taazeeri qanoon nahin tha
wohi taazeeri qanoon hi aaj zaaniyun ko saza dene mein madad ker raha hai......sirf iss liye ke islami hudood ko sahi andaaz se naafiz nahin kya gaya aur ghalat ordinance banaya hudood ke hawalay se.
is baat ke ajawab main fil.haal , rooznama Ummat ka yeh mazmoon paste ker raha hoon, umeed jawab ki zaroorat poori hi jai gi..(ager pari to hazir ho jao ga)..
LEADER
Jun 21 2006, 12:52 AM
Janab D.L
Aap ne Current Affirs main aik topic 'koun ziyada bura' ka naam se start kiya hai...wasey is ki koi khaas zaroorat nahi thi, aap isi topic main wo bhi shamil ker saktey they...
is se milta julta aik topic Islam section maiN hai.. main ne wahaN aap ki baat ka jawab daney kio kooshish ki hai ...mulhiza karin
teesry baat yeh keh mujhey aap ke topic ke title per etraz hai...afer main yeh kahooN keh :
koun ziyada bura ...G.M Perviaz ya Dog ,,, to is ka matlab yeh liya jai ga ,,keh main doonoon ko aik jesa (aik catagory) ka samjhta hoon ...bas failsa yeh kerna hai koun ziyada bura hai...
GEO ko koi bura nahi keh raha (ager woh apni hoddod main rahey)...aur us ka mawazna ksi us jasey Tv channel se ho skata hai, kisi aalim se nahin..
Hisab ka bunyadi kulya hai, sirf hum.jinis cheezoon ka muazna hosakta hai, ghair hum jinas ka nahIN...aur 'koun ziyad bura...,' yeh to insulting caption hai (you should apologise for that)...
LEADER
Jun 21 2006, 09:11 AM
QUOTE(LEADER @ Jun 20 2006, 07:51 PM) [snapback]2152376[/snapback]
Janab D.L
Aap ne Current Affirs main aik topic 'koun ziyada bura' ka naam se start kiya hai...wasey is ki koi khaas zaroorat nahi thi, aap isi topic main wo bhi shamil ker saktey they...
is se milta julta aik topic Islam section maiN hai.. main ne wahaN aap ki baat ka jawab daney kio kooshish ki hai ...mulhiza karin
teesry baat yeh keh mujhey aap ke topic ke title per etraz hai...afer main yeh kahooN keh :
koun ziyada bura ...G.M Perviaz ya Dog ,,, to is ka matlab yeh liya jai ga ,,keh main doonoon ko aik jesa (aik catagory) ka samjhta hoon ...bas failsa yeh kerna hai koun ziyada bura hai...
GEO ko koi bura nahi keh raha (ager woh apni hoddod main rahey)...aur us ka mawazna ksi us jasey Tv channel se ho skata hai, kisi aalim se nahin..
Hisab ka bunyadi kulya hai, sirf hum.jinis cheezoon ka muazna hosakta hai, ghair hum jinas ka nahIN...aur 'koun ziyad bura...,' yeh to insulting caption hai (you should apologise for that)...
Sabit ho giya keh GEO ne JHOOT bola hai ... us ke Jhoot ka pole khul giya hai ...mulahiza kijye:
GEO debate ka woh hissa sirey se ghaib ker diya giya, jis maiN 'Jury' ne apna failsa diya tha ..it is called distortion of facts ! 
Daylight
Jun 23 2006, 10:46 AM
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is baat ke ajawab main fil.haal , rooznama Ummat ka yeh mazmoon paste ker raha hoon, umeed jawab ki zaroorat poori hi jai gi..(ager pari to hazir ho jao ga)..
Bhai jaan iss report mein kya hai?? sirf yahi ke jhootay muqadmaat waghera mein phansa liya jaata hai, maslan rishwat ka qanoon hai to rishwat ke bhi jhootay muqadmay hotay hain iska matlab qanoon mein khaami nahin balkeh intezamiya ki khaami hai,
jahan tak zaaniyun ki baat hai wo main aapko bata chuka k pakistan mein aaj tak agar kisi zaani ko saza mili hai to taazeeri qanoon ke tehet hi mili hai, theek hai kuch taazeeri faislay jhootay muqadmaat mein bhi diye gaye hon gay lekin iss se qanoon ka ghalat hona sabit kesay hota hai jab ke zaaniyun ko sirf ussi qanoon se saza milti hai........
Doosri taraf hudood qawaneen hain jinki khaami hi aisi hai ke aaj tak , ji haan aaj tak hudood ke tehet aik bhi zaani ko saza nahin di gayi, haan jhootay muqadmay iss mein bhi banay lekin sacha muqadma ho ya jhoota aik bhi zaani ko ye ordinance saza na de saka to kya ye saabit nahin hota ke iss qanoon mein hi koi khaami hai ke wo 27 saal mein ek zaani ko bhi saza na de saka ???? To phir zaaniyun ki rah rokne waala iss waqt sahi qanoon konsa hai?? wohi taazeeri qanoon jis mein zaaniyun ko sazain mili hain..........Allah ke naam pe insaano ka banaya hua ghalat hudood ordinance nahin.......QUOTE
Sabit ho giya keh GEO ne JHOOT bola hai ... us ke Jhoot ka pole khul giya hai
Sabit ho gaya??? :d :d
Ye aisay hi hai ke main koi debate karon aur phir apnay hi akhbar mein khabar laga doon ke main jeet gaya aur phir kahon ye dekho saabit ho gaya main jeet gaya kyun ke meray akhbar ne likh diya ke main hi jeeta hon :d :d :dQUOTE
Hudood ordinance ke khilaaf touhen amaiz propaganda
Maslan kya maulvi sahib batain gay ke konsa touheen amazi propaganda kya gaya hai??QUOTE
Khawateen par zulm ki wajah qanoon nahin quran o sunnat ki degree na rakhne waalay judge hain
:d :d Maulvi ko madrassay ki roti ke baad judge ban-ne ki fikar sata rahi hai kyunke uskay nazdeek jab tak koi uskay madrassay mein parh na le uskay nazdeek wo shakhs quran o sunnat ko jaan hi nahin sakta :d
Ye deen ka ilm hai jo saari insaaniyat ke liye hota hai , har insaan ke liye jo loag iski misaal medical colleges waghera se detay hain unko apni soch pe nazar e saani karni chahaiye.....
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Javed Al Ghamdi aur Tufail Hashmi ka kehna tha ke iss ordinance mein itni khaamiyan hain ke issay khatam kiye bagher chaara nahin....
[b][color=#660000]Jhoota kon?? Jasarat ya .....
Inn dono saahibaan ka sirf ye kehna tha ke qanoon mein islah ki jaaye isko khatam kernay ki baat inhon ne ki hi nahin.....Haan unhon ne ye kaha tha ke hudood ka alag ordinance bananay ki bajaye tazeeri aur hadood k diufference ko khatam ker ke tazeeri qawaneen ko hi quran o sunnat ke mutabik kar diya jaaye aur ye ek behtar soorat hai......QUOTE
Jail ki saza
Maulvi sahib ek taraf kehtay hain ke aurton ko jail mein band kerna khilaf e islam hai aur phir kehtay hain ke taazeeri qawaneen mein bhi jail mein bund kya jaata hai uss par bhi aitraaz karain :D
Aray bhai tazeeri qanoon hai insaano ka qanoon, theek ....uss mein khaami hai to insaano ki aur aitraz ho ga to insaano par
Hudood ordinance ko Quran o sunnat ke ahkaam kaha jaata hai, agar wahan koi cheez ghalat hai to ilzam insaano par nahin Allah aur Rasool(PBUH) par aaye ga.....Agar jail ki saza islami nahin to hudood ordinance mein isko kin maulvi sahibaan ne shaamil kya?? aur aaj iss par debate honay se inn maulvi sahibaan ko kyun takleef ho rahi hai??
Mufti Muneeb Ur Rehmaan ne baar baar kaha ke iss qanoon mein ib-haam hai, usko door kerna chahaiye........O bhai mere ib-haam hai to door kyun nahin kertay aur jo ehtay hain ke isko door kerne ke liye debate karo usko galiyan kyun detay ho??QUOTE
Mufti sahib ka kehn ahai ke ghair shadi shuda zaani ko bhi maut ki saza di jaa sakti hai
Quran ki surah Noor ki ayat 2 to kehti hai ke uski saza 100 koray hai???? ye hain quran o sunnat ki degree lenay waalay.........
Ghamdi and Co ka mauqaf tha ke 4 gawahon ka hona sirf zana bil raza ke liye rakha jaaye kyunke zana bil jabar mein 4 gawah hona to na mumkin hain jiski wajah se koi rapist nahin saza paa sakay ga lekin mufti sahib ko itni samajh hi nahin aa rahi aur wo musalsal zana bil jabar ke liye bhi 4 "Eye Witness" ka mutalba kertay rahay...........Aur aisa koi case, koi rape kabhi sabit hi nahin ho sakta, kon pagal rape kertay huway 4 aadil aur parhaiz gaar aaqil aur baligh mard hazraat ko daawat e nazzara de ga ke aao aur dekho main kya kar raha hona ur phir adalat mein jaa ke gawahi dena.......
Poori behas yahan majood hai
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Daylight
Jun 23 2006, 10:59 AM
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Janab D.L
Aap ne Current Affirs main aik topic 'koun ziyada bura' ka naam se start kiya hai...wasey is ki koi khaas zaroorat nahi thi, aap isi topic main wo bhi shamil ker saktey they...
is se milta julta aik topic Islam section maiN hai.. main ne wahaN aap ki baat ka jawab daney kio kooshish ki hai ...mulhiza karin
teesry baat yeh keh mujhey aap ke topic ke title per etraz hai...afer main yeh kahooN keh :
koun ziyada bura ...G.M Perviaz ya Dog ,,, to is ka matlab yeh liya jai ga ,,keh main doonoon ko aik jesa (aik catagory) ka samjhta hoon ...bas failsa yeh kerna hai koun ziyada bura hai...
GEO ko koi bura nahi keh raha (ager woh apni hoddod main rahey)...aur us ka mawazna ksi us jasey Tv channel se ho skata hai, kisi aalim se nahin..
Hisab ka bunyadi kulya hai, sirf hum.jinis cheezoon ka muazna hosakta hai, ghair hum jinas ka nahIN...aur 'koun ziyad bura...,' yeh to insulting caption hai (you should apologise for that)...
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Aap ne Current Affirs main aik topic 'koun ziyada bura' ka naam se start kiya hai...wasey is ki koi khaas zaroorat nahi thi, aap isi topic main wo bhi shamil ker saktey they...
Nahin wo alag ehmiyyat ka haamil tha.....
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teesry baat yeh keh mujhey aap ke topic ke title per etraz hai...afer main yeh kahooN keh :
koun ziyada bura ...G.M Perviaz ya Dog ,,, to is ka matlab yeh liya jai ga ,,keh main doonoon ko aik jesa (aik catagory) ka samjhta hoon ...bas failsa yeh kerna hai koun ziyada bura hai...
:d :d Ye to aap ghussa kar gaye :d
Topic title yahi sahi tha, kyunke Hudood ordinance mein tarmeem kerne ki debate pesh kerne par geo ko bura kaha gaya to meine dikha diya ke ek shakhs aur bhi hai jo iss ordinance ko pakistan mein naafiz kerna zulm samajhta hai lehaza agar geo bura to wo shakhs ziada bura.........
Jahan tak parvaiz bura ya dog ki baat hai to :d ye sirf aapka ghussa hai, ye aik nafsiyati bemaari hoti hai ke insaan doosron ko kutta ya gadha waghera keh kar apna ghussa nikalta hai, isko maahir e nafsiyaat hi behtar bata saktay hain main nahin :d
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GEO ko koi bura nahi keh raha (ager woh apni hoddod main rahey)...aur us ka mawazna ksi us jasey Tv channel se ho skata hai, kisi aalim se nahin..
Hisab ka bunyadi kulya hai, sirf hum.jinis cheezoon ka muazna hosakta hai, ghair hum jinas ka nahIN...aur 'koun ziyad bura...,' yeh to insulting caption hai (you should apologise for that)...
Yahan channels ka nahin khayalaat ka mawazna kya gaya hai ke agar geo ke khayalaat buray to phir to maudodi sahib ke uss se bhi buray......iss mein aakhir kya ghalat hai???
Aik baat agar geo kahay to usko gaaliyan lekin dekha ke wesa hi kuch maudodi sahib keh rahay hain to wo aalim ho gaye , wah wah ye hai shakhsiyyat parasti ki inteha...........
khan_amer
Jun 23 2006, 03:51 PM
Bhai jan, yahaaN per mujhay eak baat bilkul bhi samajh maiN nahi aayee
Diye gaye links per (agr) pura mubahisa mojood hay tu, ussay paRh yeh lagta hay kay mubahisay maiN Hadood Ord. maiN mojood saqam door kernay kay liya sb hi agree haiN!!! tu ham log kyoN ulajh rahay haiN...
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