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Aik (Mera) ke CHARCHEY la.jawab doosrey (Altaf) ke KHARCHEY be.hisaab... 
wasey aaj kal doonoon main baRi 'qurbat' hai, lijye mulahiza fermain:
wasey aaj kal doonoon main baRi 'qurbat' hai, lijye mulahiza fermain:
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wasey aaj kal doonoon main baRi 'qurbat' hai
In Surah Annas, Allah says:
Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of men,
From the evil of the whisperings of the slinking (Shaitan),
Who whispers into the hearts of men,
Chunke iss topic ka talluk islamic matter se hai lehaza iska jawab politically nahin islamically hi dene ki koshish karon ga.......
Sub se pehlay to yahi sharam ka muqaam hai ke islam ke mutallik lecture dene se pehlay aik shakhs ka tazheek par mabni cartoon bana ke chhapa jaata hai........koi isko islamically sahi sabit ker sakta hai???
Quran to kehta hai ke Deen ki tableegh karo behtareen andaaz se lekin kya ye behtareen andaaz hai ???
Gunahon ki parda poshi jiskay baaray mein Ahadith Sahi Bukhari mein bhi majood hain usko bhi mazak bana kar pesh kiya gaya hai ke gunahon par parda daalnay ki tarbiyyat muft........CHunke ahadith mein iska bayaan aya hai lehaza isko SUnnat e Nabvi kaha jana chahaiye......Kya sunnat e nabvi ka iss third class tareekay se mazak urana ummat waalon ko zaib deta hai??? Agar koi daarhi ke mutallik zara c baat kar de to tahelka much jata hai ke sunnat ko mazak uraya aur yahan khud aik sunnat ka mazak urana kahan ki tehzeeb hai???
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Doctor
Engineer etc etc
Engineer etc etc
Ye misaal aik baar nahin baar baar hamaray mulla and Co. ki taraf se pesh ki jati hai apni mullaiyat ya doosray alfaz mein apni papaiyat qaim kerne ke liye.......
Yani mulla ka kehna hai ke jo unkay madrassay se nahin parha wo deen e islam ke mutallik kuch nahin keh sakta, usko ye ikhtayaar hi nahin......Aur madrassay bhi wo jinkay mutallik maudodi sahib ki taqareer shaya shuda majood hain ke inn mein parh kar insaan aur kisi qabil nahin rehta sivaye iskay k wo masjidon ko sambhaal ke baith jaaye aur ye bhi ke inn mein parh kar bhi deen ke mutallik maloomaat intehayi kum hoti hain kyunke inn mein ziada tar fiqah parhayi jaati hai Quran nahin.......
Yaad rahay ke madrasson ke nisaab mein Quran shamil hi nahin.........kul 84 kitabein 14 saal mein parhayi jati hain jin mein Quran shaamil hi nahin........sirf aakhri saal Surah Baqara ki kuch ayaat ya pehlay 2 suparay parhaye jaatay hain......
Tehqeeqi mayaar zero hai.........aur jo tafseer parhayi jati hai wo bhi aisi jis mein khud ulama ka maan-na hai ke inn mein intehayi khilaf e islam rawayaat majood hain ayaat ki tashreeh main........
aur bhi bouhat kuch kaha jaa sakta hai lekin chhoriye isko....
Asal baat par aain ke jis tarha inhon ne engineer ya doctor ki misala di to kya wohi misaal hum Deen par bhi nafiz kar saktay hain????
Aisi misaalon se hi sufi hazraat apnay sufiana maslak ka parchaar kertay hain, koi tasawuf ki book parhein wahan aisay hi haqaiq ki bajaye misalon se hi nafsiyati taur par hamla kiya jata hai aur reader ko qabu kiya jata hai....
Kya medical taleem deen hai?? Kya engineering kisi deen ka naam hai?? kya uss mein koi ilhami kitab parhayi jaati hai jo insano ke liye utari gayi ho ??
Deen kya hai?? Deen ye hai ke apni zindagi par balkeh zindagi ke har pehlo par islam ko nafiz karna aur Quran ne baar baar musalmaano ko daawat e fikr di hai.......musalmaano ko na ke sirf mulla ko ke wo islam ka thekaydaar bun bethay....
Haan deen ke mutallik kisi se rahnumayi lena ya books parhna kaafi kaar amad rehta hai lekin kisi tabqay ka Quran aur deen par ajara daari qaim kar lena intehayi ghalat tasavvur e islam hai........Kya iss misaal ko jo bilkul haqaaiq se door hai Quran se sabit kiya jaa sakta hai ke uska bhi yahi mansha tha ke unn madrasson ke parhnay walay hi Quran ki tabeer kar saktay hain jinkay nisaab mein Quran ki aik do soortein hi shaamil hain.........Jahan islam ki nahin hanfiyat aur malkiyat ki taleem di jati hai......jahan sara zor fiqh aur uskay baad hadith par hota hai aur quran aakhri number par ata hai .........tab hi to ye mulla hazraat Quran kiay hawalon ki bajaye doosray hawalay detay nazar atay hain kyunke inko madrasson mein Quran parhaya hi nahin jata ke tehqeeq ki jaaye ke kis ayat ke kya maani hain aur kya kya ho saktay hain, kis kis ne iska kya kya mafhoom pesh kiya etc etc......
Balkeh hudh ye hai ke Quran to sochne ki dawat deta hai aur ye madrassay deen mein aql ki istemaal ko haraam qarar detay hain..........
Engineering ya medical ki taleem ko har shakhs ne apni zindagi ke har pehlo par naafiz nahin kerna hota ke unka ilm har aik ko ho ,
Kya deen bhi engineering ya medical ki tarha ki koi taleem hai???
Ye to aisay hi hai ke jesay koi apple ko mobile se compare kar raha ho.......
Deen jo aapne apni zindagi ke har goshay par nafiz kerna ho usko aisa hi sehal hona chahaiye ke har sochne wala zehan uss par sochay aur usko samjhay.........kisi khaas mulla ka wajood islam ka nahin malookiyat ka tuhfa hai...............
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Deen ko charahgah samajh liya
Wah
Kabhi shikwa hota hai ke loag Quran se door bhaagtay ja rahay hain jab loag Quran par ghaour o fikar karnay lug jaain to mulla ko takleef honay lagti hai kyunke mulla ki roti hi iss wajah se chalti hai ke loag Quran aur Deen se laa ilm rahein ta keh unko mulla ki zarurat mehsoos hoti rahay aur unki roti chalti rahay......
Jab har shakhs ne Quran ko samajhna uski ayaat par sochna shuru ker diya, nikah khud parhanay aur janazah khud parhanay lug gaye, jo namaz ahista awaz mein parhtay hain wohi bakiyun se agay kharay ho kar oonchi awaz mein parha kar jamaat kerwa di tub mulla ka wajood khatray mein parr jaaye ga lehaza mulla har aisi koshish ke khilaaf hota hai jis mein awam Quran ke mutallik sochne lug jaain kyunke ye to sochon par taalay laga ke baithay hain.........iss se inki roti khatray mein hai lehaza first step par hi iska gala dabana chahtay hain.......
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Baqi Qurani ahkamaat par bhi tawajju dein......
Wah kya technique hai MMA plus ummat ki......
Hudood ordinance par baat ayi to kaha ke iss se bhi zyada baray maslay hain jin mein ghurbat sab se awwal hai uss par kyun tawajju nahin detay......yani ye nahin ke iss par tawajju de kar bakiyun par bhi dena........Aur khud uss par aisay tawajju di ke shadi mein khanay ki ijazat ka bill khud pesh kiya ta ke ghareeb ki laat tori jaaye.......phir MNA's ki salary kayi hazaar barhi to uss bill ko bhi muttafiqa taur pe manzoor kiya kyunke ye ghareebon ki bhalayi ke maslay jo thay :d
Ye to aisay hi hai ke koi namaz ke mutallik qurani ahkaam bataye to usko kaha jaaye tum jhoot boltay ho to jhoot par bhi lecture do, etc etc yani ye nahin ke tum jo keh rahay ho wo sahi hai balkeh ye kehna ke nahin ye na batao hamein iss se takleef hoti hai iskay ilawa doosray ahkaam batao :d
Kitni ajeeb zehniyyat hai........
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Makhsoos zehan bana kar Quran ki taraf aana khatarnaak hai......
Shukar hai iss khatarnaaki ko mehsoos kiya gaya lekin ye sirf kehne ki baatein hain amal kerne ki nahin kyunke yahi wo loag hain ke jub kisi ayat ka koi mafhoom bataya jaaye aur wo wakayi uss ayat se nikal raha ho to sirf iss liye uska inkar karain gay ke falan maulana sahib ka farman ye hai, falan mufassir ne ye kaha,falan rawayat mein ye haiaur falan imam ne ye kaha hai lehaza Qurani ayat ko ussi ke mutabik bana lo.........
Yani pehlay Qurani ayat ko nahin dekhtay pehlay ye dekhtay hain ke hamaray maulana sahib iskay mutallik kya irshad farma gaye hain aur phir uski tardeed kerna na mumkin bun jata hai chahay Quran uskay khilaaf hi kyun na keh raha ho.....
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Khud ko badlein Quran ko na badlein......
Sayaaq o sabaaq se hutt kar ayaat na pesh karain.....
Sayaaq o sabaaq se hutt kar ayaat na pesh karain.....
Iss baat ke bawajood ke Altaf Hussain se mera zehni aur siyasi ikhtalaf hai main ye kehne par majboor hon ke writer ke ye dono ilzamaat intehayi jhoot hain jinka koi saboot writer ne pesh nahin kiya........
Meine geo par khud altaf hussain ka interview dekha hai 50 minutes ka hudood ordinance ke mutallik jis mein altaf hussain ne sayaq o sabaaq se hutt kar aik bhi ayat nahin parhi.........
Altaf hussain ne Surah AN Noor ki ayaat 4 se le kar 9 tak parhi....jin mein qazaf ka bayaan hai.........uss mein wazeh kaha gaya hai ke jo koi kisi pak daman aurat par ilzam lagaye wo 4 gawah le kar aaye aur agar aisa na kar sakay to usko 80 koray lagaye jaain..........
Sawal ye hai ke mulla hazraat iskay khilaaf kyun hain ??? kyun wo inn ayaat ke bar khilaaf keh rahay hain ke agar aik bhi mard kisi pak daman aurat par ilzam laga de to usko pakar ke jail mein bund kar do , wo muqadmaat mein phansi rahay, 1 saal, 5 saal ya shaaid 10 saal aur phir bay gunah sabit ho bhi jaaye to uski izzat par anay wala harf kabhi mit na sakay..........
Mulla kehta hai ke usko ikhtayar diya jaaye ke wo kisi bhi aurat par bagher gawahon k bagher saboot ke ilzam laga de .........jabke Quran mulla ke khilaaf hai......
Ab kisko dekhein aur kis par amal karain??? Mulla par ya Quran par???
Mulla kehta hai ke mera aitbaar karo chahay Quran mein kuch bhi kyun na likha ho kyunke mulla ke nazdeek sirf mulla ko hi ye authority hasil hai ke wo Deen ke naam par jo kahay qaum ko uski baat maan-ni paray gi kyunke usne madrassay mein parha hua hai :d :d :d
Mujhey samjh nahi aaye...keh Day Light , Altaf-Mera qurbat aur tasweer ke hawaley se (mujhey) kiya kehna chatey hain ... 
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Mujhey samjh nahi aaye...keh Day Light , Altaf-Mera qurbat aur tasweer ke hawaley se (mujhey) kiya kehna chatey hain ...
Mujhe sirf yahi kehna hai ke Allah dil mein waswasay paida kerne walon se bachaye
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Mujhe sirf yahi kehna hai ke Allah dil mein waswasay paida kerne walon se bachaye To aap, Altaf sahb ke 'wakeel-e-safai' ka kirdar ada ker rahey haiN...he he he
Mera jesi BOLD actresss se 'koi' mulaqat karey , to 'was.wasey' to paida hoo ge na...aik fitri baat hai
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To aap, Altaf sahb ke 'wakeel-e-safai' ka kirdar ada ker rahey haiN...he he he
Aap agar kahain ke hitler ke "talukaat" malika elizbeth ke saath thay to agar main iski tardeed karon ke bila wajah kisi par ilzam tarashi ya dil mein waswasay paida kernay se islam hamein mana karta hai to kya ye mailka elizbeth ya hitler ki wakalat hai???
Yahi to masla hai ke ghalat ko ghalat iss liye nahin kaha jata ke kahin iss se kisi aisay ki "himayat" na ho jaaye jisko aap na-pasand kertay hain....
Mera kaam sirf point out kerna tha baki islam iss silsilay mein jo kehta hai wo aap ko bhi maloom hai..........
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Mera jesi BOLD actresss
Bold ??? hahaha bhai mere aik meera ko chhorain aap batain ke konsi film actress bold nahin ?? to kisi film actress ke naam ke saath avein bold laga rahay hain, sub ki sub aik number ki ......... hoti hain
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Mera jesi BOLD actresss se 'koi' mulaqat karey , to 'was.wasey' to paida hoo ge na...aik fitri baat hai
Kya kisi film actress ko interview dena ya uss se chand baatein kar lena "waswasay" paida ker deta hai :d
Bhai sahib jin "waswason" aur "mulaqaton" ki aap baat kar rahay hain unki khabar tak nahin honay di jaati, yun beth ke tasveerein nahin banwayi jaati :d
Aur Quran hamein taleem det ahai ke jab tak kisi par ilzam sabit na ho usko mujrim nahin samajhna chaahiye, so its better ke bilawajah sirf kisi ki nafrat mein hum ye ghair islami kaam na karain......Agay aapki marzi carry on
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To aap, Altaf sahb ke 'wakeel-e-safai' ka kirdar ada ker rahey haiN...he he he
Mera jesi BOLD actresss se 'koi' mulaqat karey , to 'was.wasey' to paida hoo ge na...aik fitri baat hai
kia matlab hai aap ka
aap sirf meera ko BOLD kah rahay haiN 
kia 'altaf bhai' BOLD naheeN haiN. woh buzdil hain kia
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